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OLAADEGBU:
You have finally admitted that you neither believe in being born again nor in making it to heaven, no?

Did i say that or you're confused?

The two keys they used to lock the box in which you're imprisoned is:

BORN AGAIN
GOING TO HEAVEN

That's exactly what all other religions on this planet believes, they all believe they're frontiers among the beneficiaries of whatever their God is bringing.

Roycemadeit:
Hey, it's not cool that you buy into the idea that the God of Abraham, the ancestral God of Israelites, is true and all other Gods including your own ancestral Gods are demons. Consider that Islam and Judaism are also Abrahamic beliefs. Understanding the origin of your beliefs is crucial; otherwise, you're just running on faith.

Obviously you don't know what demons are you just feel like supporting what you don't even know!

*What are the attributes of the true God?

*What has the Gods of your ancestors done for them and you own generation?

*Who are the custodians of your ancestral Gods?

*What is the purpose of your ancestral Gods?

That's what you should consider before arguing about what someone intelligent should do about God/Gods!

OLAADEGBU:
So you believe that you are one of the 144,000 going to heaven?

Where subjects of God's kingdom is that's where i will also be!

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe you will be going to heaven?

YES!

Prophet!
Pastor!
Man of God!
All that's none of my business but when women are coming up to accuse one man and each is shedding tears then there's one question i will like to ask all of them:

Did he kidnap and forced them to have sex with him, after knowing that he is an addict of sex why are they flocking around him?
One even claimed he raped her (repeatedly) yet she is still going to him!

Abeg all these na propaganda!

All of them surely want a romantic adventure with him but whether he succumb or not is what i can't figure out and now that the wife he married is having everything they want to deal with her by destroying the business venture he left for her and her children.

Women can do anything as in anything out of jealousy and as for God they don't bloody care what He will do to them as long as they're able to achieve what they want!

Had Islam been this peaceful and reasonable i can't be convinced to opt out but it has always been like forcing what we believe on others even though they can't see any reason why they have to comply other than the book (Qur'an) we carry whereas God never spoke from the sky to impose the book on anyone it has been what the Arabians say all along!

sagenaija:
It shouldn't be about what God's people want to know. It should be what God wants his people to know. It is the issue of personal wants that leads many to seek fortune-telling in the name of prophecies.

God wants His people to know their future because it matters to them.

FRANCISTOWN:
He was not talking about the death of anything called soul. He was talking about death. Death is Death. Jesus lied

What the OP quoted is in chapter 16:28 and he was referring to his disciples present that day some of them surely saw him coming in his glory! Matthew 17:1-5

So what does it mean to see Jesus coming in his glory?

The Christ is not ordinary human like all others so he supposed to possess some glory that no one ever had but despite following him for months his disciples only realized that he should be the Christ going by the things he said and did! Matthew 16:13-16

But after his transfiguration Peter and the other two were convinced beyond all reasonable doubts that Jesus is the promised Messiah (Christ) that's why they asked him:

“Why, then, do the scribes say that E·liʹjah must come first?” Matthew 17:10

Do you notice that despite saying he is the Christ in chapter 16:16 they were still nursing doubts?
Well it was the transfiguration that cleared all their doubts that's why they came out openly to ask him the question bothering their hearts.

So he told them that the Scribes were correct because Elijah must come first before the Christ as foretold in the scriptures {Malachi 4:5} but Elijah has come {Matthew 17:11-13} yet the Jews never realized the mission of the prophet sent to prepare the way for the Christ! John 1:23 compare to Isaiah 40:3

The same is happening in our generation the Christ has returned in his glory in the year 1914 and all the signs he foretold has been unfolding one after the other {Matthew 24:3-13} yet just a few millions out of billions got the sense of what is happening!

Well the last sign is still not fulfilled as his true followers are zealously preaching and teaching industriously from one place to another the very day they make their presence known to the last house on this planet the end of all badness will come! Matthew 24:14

May you have PEACE!

One of those accusers said the guy raped her (repeatedly)

My question:

If your daughter, sister, cousin, or mother told you she was raped by someone would you still expect her to continue going close to such a person?

Surely these women wanted something from the guy which he never gave them it's clear that they're seducing him to have sex with them in anticipation of personal gain but since he didn't yield to their demands they decided to destroy him.
I can't take the accusation of any female seriously most especially when it has to do with sex because that's the same tool they always use to control men!

Antiislaam:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, wetin dey your mouth wey you wan come preach?

Misinformed churchian go and worship your pastors he said the money they're collecting as tithes which God's law mandated for workers like singers and instrumentalists in the temple is not for the workers {Nehemiah 13:10} while he is benefiting maximally from the same money yet as Christ taught his own followers whatever they do in the church should be without material gain in view! Luke 17:7-10

It's to rush in for insults you know best so learn and gain insight from what Max has to say!

When we come to your homes to teach you the truth as found in God's word you people will say you are busy, you have your own church, you are born again, you are a Christian, you are saved and so on.
The tithe that was originally meant for singers in the temple a churchian is now telling you the singers and instrumentalists shouldn't expect a dime from it but he could buy private jets from the same money.
Well it's your choice!

That's the normal thing to do in a sane society, there's no sense in forcing what your god say on others you rather live by it to prove that it's beneficial!

Roycemadeit:
I don't feel they are fictional... Believers can't see how real there are, that's why they are called believers.

The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST before you can talk about trust you must have knowledge regarding what you want to trust.
The mistake most of you are making is calling credulity a belief, your ancestors surely existed otherwise you can't be alive today but when it comes to how they lived and the things they did you don't know much yet you want to say a well documented history is fiction simply because you feel there is prejudice in what you read about the people involved.

For your information all the Gods people are worshiping are demons apart from the God of Abraham who revealed all the secret about the origin of life and how fallen angels became Gods in so many places!

Aemmyjah:
The possessed the land of their ancestor, Abraham

Instead of saying they want atheism they will just come to social media and start spewing whatever comes to their mind against the Bible.
If someone feels the God of Israel wasn't nice enough let them document the history of their own Gods and place it side by side with that of the God of Abraham nah.
Honest hearted and sincere individuals will see the difference and make their choices!

Roycemadeit:
"I want to emphasize that figures like Abraham are merely fictional characters."

With this there's no need for further comment if you feel Abraham and others were fictional characters then why quoting their stories?
Why not concentrate on the deities your own ancestors worship and try to emphasize the things they did for readers to see how real they are?

Roycemadeit:
Interestingly, Max said nobody owned any possessions.

Whenever i'm answering questions i also make sure that i includes answers to questions that's in your heart which may likely follow the one i answered.
I know it will come to questioning Abraham's right to own such a land that's why it's logical to conclude that the land actually belongs to the God who promised Abraham not Abraham's property.
If someone gives you something and dictates how you should use the gift adding that he will dispossess you of the gift if you don't comply with his terms and conditions has the property become yours for real?

Roycemadeit:
What distinguishes them from marauding herdsmen who kill villagers and force them out in the name of their God?

The marauding herdsmen killing villagers aren't forcing them out rather they're fighting for their stock so if villagers allow them to stay without hurting their cattles the herdsmen will not hurt anyone but most villagers are fighting or attacking the cattles claiming the animals are destroying their farm produce.

To answer your question: What distinguishes the Israelites from the herdsmen?

The Israelites has been on that land before.
Their ancestors were buried there.
Their God has just delivered them out of the hand of the world's most powerful king without a military force.
The God keeps drying up rivers before them as a sign of His backing.
The Israelites has a particular geographical location they're returning to.
All the inhabitants of Canaan knew that the Israelites were returning to the land where they formerly occupied.

Any right thinking person will intelligently leave that land for the Israelites or surrender for them to acquire wherever their God wants.

That's what Rahab of Jericho said and the wise Gibeonites acted screwdly! Joshua 2:9-13; 9:3-13

So there's a big difference between Israelites and the herdsmen!

Janosky:
Sparrow Deluded depraved perv forming miracle worker.

Jesus said to Jehovah's Witnesses:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain." Matthew 5:14

So if a religionist choose to study our doctrines to the extent of making up to 8th editions you know what that means!

Funny thread!

PCHC:
Firstly, John the Baptist is not the greatest, neither is John the Baptist greater than those men of God you mentioned as quoted. The scriptures did not say John was greater than anyone, but said none born of a woman is greater than him. This means John the Baptist is just one of the greatest, but not the greatest.

In the kingdom of God, no man or angel is termed the greatest except the Lord Jesus Christ or God. So the highest ranks is for those classified as the "Rank of the Greatest."

John the Baptist only represented the greatest of souls or persons born of a woman, but it doesn't mean he was greater than all born of a woman.

To your question, "So who are those that have received ranks in the kingdom of heaven before the Christ?"

Part of getting a place in the Kingdom of God is getting a rank or level relative to the people and things in the Kingdom. It's Hierarchy, order and positioning. It's like in military, but far greater. Every angel, star, cherub or saint in heaven has a rank because he has a place in heaven. These three are important for identity of every one in heaven: Rank, Number or Name, and Class. As it is in heaven, so it is in the Kingdom of heaven.


What the Lord Jesus Christ was relating to us by comparing John the Baptist to every man on earth and then comparing John the Baptist to those in heaven is this:

The least person in the kingdom of heaven is far greater than the greatest person on earth. The least thing in heaven is greater than the greatest thing on earth. Heaven is far greater than the earth in all ramifications, to the degree that even the smallest or least thing in heaven is far greater than its counterpart on earth. E.g. the poorest man in the kingdom of heaven is far richer than the richest man on earth. Solomon in all his earthly glories and riches was not as glorious as the grass of the kingdom of God.

Upon all what you wrote no scriptures to back your writeup!

Well let me tell you why Jesus said John the baptist is the greatest of all those that lived before him but lesser than Christians. Matthew 11:11

From Genesis to Revelations the one and only person all servants of God need to know for them to gain salvation is the Christ {John 17:3} that's why God told the Israelites who saw and lived with the greatest prophet Moses {Deuteronomy 34:10} that another prophet will be raised in their midst like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} and whoever wants salvation must listen to that prophet! Deuteronomy 18:19

Moses is the one and only prophet likened to a God just as Jesus was also likened to a God! Exodus 7:1; John 1:1

All the prophets including Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who were the patriarchs were eagerly anticipating the coming of the Christ but they never saw him! Luke 2:25-38

John didn't just see Jesus he was the one who BAPTIZED and God's Holy Spirit descending on Jesus like a dove and he was the first person to preach about Jesus and also directed people to join Jesus as his disciples!

All these made John the baptist the greatest of all humans who ever lived before him but then Christians who walked with Jesus and also got baptized with God's Holy Spirit the same way Jesus got baptized are greater than John the baptist because these ones will have their names written not only in the book of life but also in heaven where God and angels lives! Revelations 21:14

So if you don't know something just ask!

Roycemadeit:
Why did God lead Israelites to possessing a land that's not theirs?

The answer is found in your copy of the Bible but you only need to study our book with us otherwise you will continue to confuse yourself!

Answer to your question
This is what God said about the possession of land He acquired for the Israelites:

"Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. You will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the Israelites.”" Exodus 19:5-6

Do you notice that the land God acquired for the Israelites was for a purpose?
God said the whole earth belongs to Him but He chose one nation (Israel) to set the standard for all others to know the difference between false gods and the true God.
That's why He journeyed to Egypt the world's most powerful nation back then with two feeble octogenarians (Moses and Aaron) so that the whole world may know that the God walking with Israel is the Almighty God.

So when He acquired the land for the Israelites it was not theirs rather it was for Him that's why He warned them strictly that if they fail to meet up with the task He is giving them they will be purged out of that land:

“When Jehovah your God annihilates the nations that you are to dispossess, and you are living in their land, be careful not to be entrapped after they have been annihilated from before you. Do not ask about their gods, saying, ‘How were these nations accustomed to serve their gods? I too will do the same." Deuteronomy 12:29-30

What will happen if the Israelites fail to do what is required? Leviticus 26:14-33

There God told the Israelites that He will surely dispossess them from the land He acquired for them.

And that is what happened in the year 607 BCE when Babylonians under the command of King Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and it's Temple.

So my friend the God we're talking about is not nepotistic rather He has a purpose that even Israelites must comply with it otherwise He is ready to DESTROY them! Exodus 32:8-10

Roycemadeit:
The absence of wrong makes it challenging to discern what is right, just as the lack of bad prevents the understanding of good. In navigating between these extremes, choices emerge.
Yet, I perceive life not as dictated by a binary of wrong and good, but rather as a series of opportunities to learn and make better choices. What one deems bad may hold merit for another; the key lies in evaluating the benefits and consequences based on individual perspectives.
However, for someone unbiased and still holding onto a sense of humanism, reading about the suffering imposed on families, children, individuals, and nations—whose possessions were seized at God's command—raises questions about the assertion that God is Good.

There is no family in the process of setting matters straight!
God only picked a nation through Abraham and whoever grasp God's purpose will benefit maximally by supporting His will.
As for possessions who told you anyone possessed anything when they will eventually die and leave everything behind them?

Roycemadeit:
Indeed. Let's have you name sins or define it.

When God say SIN it means ERROR so when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit they passed on to all their descendants the trait to always do what is wrong instead of the right thing. Only few ones among mankind are trying really hard to fight the urge to do what is right! Romans 7:21-23
That's why God has mercy on us because He knows our making that we can't fight the urge on our own and win! Psalms 103:12-14

So don't think SIN means something that any human can do without until after 1,000 years of intense training to initiate Jesus that is when we can be able to stand on our own and say we have become sinless or conquered sin completely!

Roycemadeit:
No one has sinned; this is the constraint imposed on people's mind to make them slaves. There's no evidence for alleged sins. [color=#FF0000]Every mammal experiences pain during childbirth, and none consumes without effort.[/color] Snakes, as God supposedly cursed, don't eat sand. Even God, considered sinless, consults with lying spirits, expresses anger and jealousy, and acknowledges doing evil in the book of Isaiah. None has sinned.

Then we need to figure out what sin means first!

jaephoenix:
Who is a Christian? How come there are different definitions from different sects?

Because there is critical thinking skill in wisdom. If you ask an atheist to define atheism he will quote what someone else said but then ask five different people to apply it they will turn to different angles.
So to be sure of what you are saying you need critical thinking skill not just a definition from someone!

Ken4Christ:
You still don't understand the statement of Jesus. He never said that John the Baptist will not make heaven. He said that as great as John the Baptist is, the least person who will make heaven is greater than John the Baptist.

So John will not go there otherwise he should be at least worth the least to make it there!

Ken4Christ:
He made that statement to emphasize the glory of those who will make heaven compared with those on earth.

So if John the baptist is not qualified and he is not lesser than any human before him that means no human before John the baptist qualified to go up to heaven and what is the criteria for going to heaven?
You must first be a Christian which makes the Christians greater than all those prophets mentioned in the Bible!

OLAADEGBU:
Ye must be born again.

So your pastor is no difference from TB Joshua if it's all about members claiming Born Again!

Expanse2020:
So in the eyes of God christians are better and important than the person he sent as messanger to the Jews

From God's point of view Christians are the most important worshipers because they've learned from His Son how to live in God's Kingdom. That is what God told Moses to tell the Israelites:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

So when Jesus came and the Jews rejected him the right to become God's special property was given to Christians no matter where you may come from as a Christian you are one of God's children! John 1:11-12

What you need to know is what quantify someone to become a Christian?

Don't just assume that anyone claiming Christian is one of us! Matthew 7:16-20; 15:8-9

Ken4Christ:
They saints of the Old testament are already resurrected. The scripture says;
Matthew 27:52-54
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
The passage above says;
1. That the graves opened. So, they were resurrected.
2. Bodies of the Saints which slept arose. Their bodies are not longer in the grave. Their tomb is empty.
3. They appeared to many. It means that they could be seen.
But for the saints of the New Testament, they are in heaven in their spirit form. They will be resurrected on the day of rapture.

Was Jesus talking about people who has been resurrected or awaiting resurrection at Matthew 11:11?

Roycemadeit:
Yet, you are still saying Jacob is not liable to been judged? Even when had to disguise to be his brother?
You forget you are talking about the deity who repented and changed his perspective over and over again! Weldone Sir
Corruption Everywhere

I have told you the purpose for which Abraham was called {Genesis 12:1-3} any of his descendants who doesn't cherish that is on his own as all humans have sinned and fallen short of God's glory so we are seizing the opportunity to become God's friend by adjusting ourselves to fit in to His purpose.

As for your second paragraph i don't understand what you mean!

Roycemadeit:
What was the law written against murder that Cain was judged for?

Hitting someone with the intent of injury needs no law because even a toddler won't do it knowing fully well that he or she will be punished for it.

Roycemadeit:
What was the law written against homosexuality that Sodom and Gomorrah was judged for?

Sodom and Gomorrah had Lot living with them with two daughters who are virgins and moreover the inhabitants decided to hurt the two strangers who never wronged them.

Roycemadeit:
What was the law given that made Esau resent Jacob for what he did?

Esau realized his stupidity but was concerned about him own existence that's why he thought it's all over when he later became rich in his lifetime but Jacob had in mind the blessing of becoming the great grandfather of Christ!

Roycemadeit:
How do you want to imply that Jacob is free of accusations when God even let them to be born before he judged them?

God studied children while they're still in the womb so He didn't judge without knowledge rather He has known what will be of utmost importance to both of them right before their birth!