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Emusan:
Jesus never commissioned ANY GROUP.
WORK DIDN'T APPEAR IN NY scripture you cited.
"“I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one." John 17:22
"I appeal to you, dear brothers and sisters, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, to live in harmony with each other. Let there be no divisions in the church. Rather, be of one mind, united in thought and purpose." 1 Corin 1:10
Scripture is clear on how to be saved.
Get rid of that delusion GROUP infused in your dull brain by Watchtower to make them SUPERIOR.

Matthew 10 is where Jesus commissioned the WORK for his group after preaching and teaching on the mountain that's why the first twelve felt anyone who is not a member of the twelve shouldn't be doing what Jesus only assigned to the twelve!

Emusan:
Lying liar!
The funny thing is how you'll still be claiming to be the one doing what Jesus taught when Jesus never taught people to be lying.

Please where is the lie?

Because afterwards Jesus later sent 70 disciples out to do the same thing this time around the twelve now realized that the work is great and they needed more hands to work with their GROUP! Luke 10:2

cornelboy:
Lol 😂😂

Some people are just so funny yet they get annoyed easily!

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
U the one who doesn't get it. I said TB was not a Christian, never said anything about being saved

So what makes a person CHRISTIAN?

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, who is The Way The Truth and The Life?

Please answer that question first:

Does my beliefs cost you anything?

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
You may be a bit confused. A Christian believes in the Lord Jesus. You mentioned a list of people who, by definition, don't believe in Christ - and asked me if they are Christians!

Noooooooooo!

I never asked if they're Christians that's where you're getting it wrong i asked if they will be saved for not practicing what TB Joshua did even though they don't believe in Jesus.

Do you get it now?

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, come clean. Is the Jehovah's witness organisation no longer The Truth?

I just want to know if my beliefs cost you anything!

Emusan:
Jesus didn't commission a GROUP but HIS DISCIPLES.

If he did not commission a group then why are they to work as ONE {John 17:22} having the same line of thought? 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

The man performing signs in Jesus name is one of them but not one of the twelve apostles because the Apostles thought the power to perform miracles is only limited to their group whereas if any Jews should be a disciple of Christ he can perform miracles in Jesus name that's why Jesus told them not to discourage a disciple simply because they don't know his face he is on the same page with them as he will not speak anything contrary to what they are also preaching!

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, so JW is no longer the Road to everlasting life? Are you telling us that JW is no longer Truth? Are you telling us that Salvation can be gotten outside JW?

Does my beliefs cost you anything?

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
They can't be any of those and still be Christians. You ought know better

You're missing something here.

So let's take it back a bit:
TB Joshua did a lot of CHARITABLE ACTS but by the end of the day we heard a lot of hidden things that's bad about him so you concluded that due to those bad reports TB Joshua can't be a Christian.
That's why i asked you to tell me what are the things a Christian should engage in for him to gain salvation?
Then you said "it's not about what he does but what he doesn't do like TB Joshua had done"
Then i asked what of people who don't know or want to know anything about Jesus but have been virtuous all their lives are they saved?

So i'm not talking about an atheist being a Christian because he doesn't see anything worthwhile in being a Christian but has chosen to be virtuous!

YourFavEvangeli:
Centuries ago, Lagos, ogun oyo, ondo, ekiti and osun had the best weather in the world.......... Kogi and kwara nkor?
The heat was only in the Sahara.........

Well, my grand mother is from ijebu-ode and she used to tell me that in the days of her grandparents, people only tie loose clothes on their waist when going to the farm due to the heat.
Maybe her own ijebu-ode was located in the Sahara dessert.
You go dey alright.

The highlighted has settled this!

They aren't going to parties where dignitaries will be there to see them rather they're going to work under the sun. Just as i also followed my uncle to his farm and removed my shirt when we were working on his yam plantation but that doesn't mean we go about naked all the day nah!

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
It is more what a Christian should NOT be doing.

So if a Traditionalist, Buddhists, Muslims, Atheist, Agnostic, Hindu or Judaist is not doing what you heard about TB Joshua they will be saved even though they don't care about what Jesus taught?

That wasn't Samuel but a demon (fallen angel) deceiving Saul!

Freezby2020:
Slaves who love their chains shall remain in their bondage by Dr. Daniel K Olukoya

What makes DK Olukoya better than TB Joshua when talking about a minister of Christ?

Emusan:
Nobody argue this with you but fact is you don't need to be a Watchtower member before you're SAVED according to Jesus Christ in John 14:6 because Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. You can keep committing blunders and call it the past, your past will always hunt you. Even Jesus will judge people based on their PAST.

Good!
I love this!
So don't call this past it's what we need to discuss in order for you to know my stand as you feel it's wrong.

Jesus commissioned a group and hand over the work he started in the first century to them {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} he also went on to say that there will be many religious leaders gathering people but they won't teach what their followers need to get saved! Matthew 7:15-20

So i did my own personal research and found out that only the Watchtower are practicing what Jesus taught which means if you want to say i'm wrong then you need to present that group that is practicing what Jesus taught since he has warned us all about false religious leaders. Your inability to do so makes me see you as one living in deceit!

PoliteActivist:
TB was never a Christian and was into sorcery.

So what are the things a CHRISTIAN should be doing for observers to identify him or her as one of Christ's disciples?

Before you respond note that whatever Jesus' disciples are doing to gain salvation cannot be found outside Christianity otherwise Jesus can't be the only way, truth and life if someone who is not a Christian can successfully practice what Jesus taught as means of salvation.

So how do you identify a real Christian since TB Joshua did what moved millions to accept him as a minister of Christ?

achorladey:
Live with the consequences of your past actions. You can choose to look away. The consequences remain.

If you lost nothing then the past should be kept in it's place: PAST!

When people missed their youthful times only to find themselves as old men with android phones.
Well if you think i keep whatever happened in the past as reason to hate someone then you need to have a rethink.
It's kiddies that continue to dwell on what they had in the past with people (whom they can't even see)
One thing that will never change is the fact that if you're not a member of Watchtower you and i aren't worshiping the same God.
But as for whatever issues we had in the past has been erased for fresh things to come in so if you're still dwelling in the past then i'm sorry for you!

achorladey:
Why are you responding to my post. Your madness and insanities peddling brains cannot completely avoid it abi?
We know your actions here states otherwise. I don't need lies and manipulations from your madness and insanities peddling brains your hands are typing.
Your actions here says otherwise
The above is the reason of your madness and insanities peddling.
Misconstrue , redefining words, don't know the true meaning of words are the many madness and insanities peddling from your brains.
You for deny or lie about it

Ọmọ this is year 2024
So try to keep the past in the past and face the future, i don't hate you but sometimes it takes a little sense to know that you can't hate someone you can't see.
God's word said:

If anyone says, “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
1John 4:20
How possible can you say someone who has never seen you before hate you?
If you and i board the same plane i'm 100% sure that we will both eat, drink, chat, joke and laugh together because you don't know me just as i don't know you.
So try to be proud of your God just as i'm proud of mine but if you feel that's not necessary it's OK.
I can't change you neither can you change me your God is not my God that's simple and there is nothing wrong in that if only you can be proud of what you have: your God!

I don't get it.
Is it that TB Joshua is not a man of God?
or
Christians don't commit such atrocities?
or
His church should be closed?

Because one thing is certain:
99.9999 of all those complaining don't even know what Christianity stands for!

solex75:
JW

Maintain your conduct fine among the nations, so that when they accuse you of being wrongdoers, they may be eyewitnesses of your fine works and, as a result, glorify God in the day of his inspection 1Peter 2:12

achorladey:
You don catch am .
The same person that had some sort of likeness for T B Joshua and Guru Maraj

That's what you guys failed woefully to grasp!

As a person i like both Guru Maharaji and TB Joshua but when it comes to worship i will tell you that they're not worshiping my own God.

So just as i like everyone around me including you but then telling you that we aren't on the same page regarding worship of God shouldn't lead to enmity, you have your God and i have mine all you just have to do is to be proud of what you have that's all!

YourFavEvangeli:
Well this is how the aso oke was worn. It wasn't used to make shokoto. And it is still not bad.
You are the one feeling bad for nothing. Africans were mainly naked not due to poverty but due to heat.
See the kain heat wey dey Lagos these days, without oyibo lifestyle and westernisation, electricity, AC everywhere, you think people won't be walking naked?
The climate once used to be hotter than this centuries ago before it cooled down (looks like its warming up again). So imagine dry seasons soooo hot, no electricity to use Fan or AC, no bathroom (people bathed in the river), no swimming pool to cool in. And people had to go to the farm to work or stay in the market. Everybody go commot clothe.

You're making it much funnier with this post!

Centuries ago we had bushes in this side of Africa so our weather was moderate and just the best in the world until the white man came to harvest our trees. So the heat was only in the mid-sahara where there is desert but in Lagos, Ogun, Ọ̀yọ́, Òndó, Èkìtì, Ọ̀ṣun and the rest our weather was just perfect.
You can also do a little research on deforestation to know what damage those white men did by cutting all our trees without planting to keep our forest.

The global warming today is as a result of trees that has been removed without replanting

EnemyofGod2:
Your own God is unquestionable but you are questioning other people's God, are you kidding me?

The unquestionable gods are all fake that's why their worshipers don't have anything real to say about them.
The God of Abraham gave His own worshipers the right to QUESTION Him that's why He made arrangements for a book to be written in which He addressed so many questions that could come to the heart of sane humans.
The man He made as example for all those having faith is called "Abraham" {Romans 4:16; James 2:23} during his lifetime Abraham actually QUESTIONED his God:

Then Abraham approached and said: “Will you really sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there are 50 righteous men within the city. Will you, then, sweep them away and not pardon the place for the sake of the 50 righteous who are inside it? It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:23-25

Note the highlighted in blue!

Again the one called the only begotten Son of God Jesus Christ QUESTIONED his God:

And at the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” which means, when translated: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Mark 15:34

So both Abraham and Jesus QUESTIONED their God it's fake gods that must not be questioned not the true God!

YourFavEvangeli:
Sokoto state was formed in 1976.

Sokoto caliphate was founded by Uthman Dan Fodio in 1804 and conquered by the British Empire in 1903.

The Sokoto caliphate stretched as far as Senegal and Burkina Faso down to Nigeria and Cameroon.

So when they tell you that what you were looking for in Sokoto was in shokoto, you see the distance they're referring to...

Shokoto was corrupted from Sokoto which is the name of the caliphate the people who used to wear it came from. When the yorubas adopted the outfit, they simply called it shokoto.

Assignment, which other yoruba word is synonymous to shokoto?

The people in the 3 pictures below are from Burkina Faso.

Guy the Yorùbás already had our own clothe makers centuries before the white men came you can Google "aṣọ òkè" for more research.
Your own tribe may be naked before the white men came but Yorùbás has a rich cultural heritage already centuries before the British came here!

Lucifyre:
Dude... Honestly u deserve olympic gold in mental gymnastics, flying around never landing. If u can't explain the point u r going for in few sentences then u don't know what u r talking about, non of what uve said explains the point neither do the references u provide act as references for ur thought process. Your analogies meet me halfway at best and that's been lenient. For example if i say Adam and Eve knew they had done something wrong and God wasn't happy, checking the bible, no verse explicitly states that but if u read Gen 3 you can easily deduce that because they hid from God and then God drove them out. Simplistic example but straight to the point, no plenty halfway analogies and tangential refrences. I tried to have an open mind even while obvious uve been waffling but i gave the benefit of doubt. At least i cleared that doubt. We've not even gone anywhwere before u started beating around the bush. Anyways all the best, cause we'd head nowhere. Do better.

I love the way you mentioned the case of Adam and Eve, even with your own opinion do you know that most atheist and agnostics will never agree with you that Adam and Eve knew what they did was wrong?
So it's not about convincing you rather it's the preconceived thought you had that matters.
If Job suffered the loss of all his possessions, children and health, and God began asking the man about what has happened in heaven even before the creation of earth then know today that God was passing some vital information which you and i need to figure out.
I have done my own findings and discovered that God was referring to events happening in heaven that man can't see but that's affecting our well-being on this planet.

Thanks for your time!

YourFavEvangeli:
Sokoto state was created in 1976 however my grandma knows this proverb. Did she and the entire yoruba tribe learn it 50yrs ago?

So the city Sokoto was formed in 1976 shey?

What about Kano, Kaduna, Katsina, Ọ̀yọ́, Òndó, Èkìtì and Ògùn State are you saying all those names where discovered by politicians who used the names for the newly approved states?

So in a nutshell there's no document evidence that Watchtower claims to be the way the truth and the life, shey?

Thanks for your time!

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, why was it so hard for you to be bold and say Jesus is the only Way The Truth and The Life? Because you are in an Antichrist organisation based on the book of 2 John verse you quoted earlier. We all know what an Antichrist is. Someone or group of people claiming to be what Jesus is or ascribing to themselves what Jesus is or people seeking to replace Jesus or people who believe they are better than Jesus. An Antichrist is also one who never takes members of the religion directly to Jesus. This is exactly what TB Joshua did. He called himself The foretold Messiah. All the attention is on him as the means to Salvation. Look at all the disciples of Jesus, they took First century Christians straight to Jesus. They never at any time brought attention to themselves as the Way The Truth and The Life. They all tell Christians to follow Jesus! If you were in a Truly Christian Religion that follows Jesus, you will without hesitation and with so much pride in you, proclaim to the Rooftops that Jesus is the Only Way The Truth and The Life. You will never second guess yourself because Jesus is in you while you are in Jesus according to what Apostle Paul said. When I asked you who is lying between Jesus and Watchtower when they claimed to be the same thing, If you were truly in a Christian religion, You would say Watchtower are the Liars because Only Jesus is designated as the Way The Truth and The Life.
I am glad you mentioned the book of 2 John because it gave an expo directly from Jesus on how to identify people who are Antichrists and who are to be avoided. Those verses even made the warning serious by warning never to allow such people into your homes. This is why many people out there don't listen to you JWs when you preach. They are just following the command in that verse. Watchtower doesn't take you JWs directly to Jesus in the exact way the Apostles did with the 1st century Christians. Jesus is even barely mentioned in your Talks. No single JW can boast of having a strong relationship with Jesus because of this Brainwashing. Watchtower takes you JWs to themselves as the Way The Truth and The Life and to Jehovah. They say it is through them you can get Salvation But look at what Acts 4 Vs 11 and 12 says:
11# This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12#And there is a salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” That verse is saying No one on Earth has been given to be a means of Salvation. No One! Take note of the phrase No other name under heaven given among men. In other words, Jesus never sent anybody including Watchtower/ Faithful and discreet Slave to act as a means of Salvation for Christians. Can you see that the verses are proving Watchtower to be Liars?
But Almighty God gave a formula which is All Christians are to be taken to Jesus because if they are taken to Jesus, they are automatically taken to God of which Jesus himself confirmed. Now that verse is telling you that anyone who doesn't follow this formula is not even working for God in the first place.
This is how your Cult is very similar to TB Joshua.

All i asked you is:

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote any publication of Watchtower in which it's written that they are the way the truth and the life!

You may have your own understanding regarding what you read but then that someone said something totally differs from how you understood it!

Courz:
Something is seriously wrong with you. You are not mentally okay. That's why I call you Mad MaxinDhouse Can you see how you are contradicting yourself? A part of your brain is telling you how blasphemous it is to claim to be What is only reserved for Jesus, you are seeing that is an Antichrist move, you are seeing that Only Jesus called himself The Way The Truth and The Life but you are also asking me stupid question to show you where Watchtower claimed to be The Way, The Truth and The Life. Because you are such a horrible Liar with Schizophrenic Disorder, the other half of your Brain is telling you that their claim to be The Way, The Truth and The Life is correct. Mad MaxinDhouse, where do you stand gan gan gan? Why are you suffering from Schizophrenic Disorder? Why did you allow Watchtower turn you to this kind of person? When I started this discussion and made this point of Watchtower claiming to be the Way, The Truth and The Life, why didn't you counter it? When I asked you who was lying between Jesus and Watchtower when they both claimed to be the same thing, why didn't you immediately tell me Jesus is the only one that is The Way, The Truth and The Life? Your answer to me implied that Jesus is the Liar! All of a sudden, you are asking me stupid question, asking me to show you where Watchtower made such a claim. You need to be checked ASAP in a Psychiatric hospital. No joke. I won't provide any publication to prove to you because your stupidity needs serious attention. What do you JWs call the Organisation? You call it The Truth. Your Cult is The Truth. You make statements like, How long have you been in the Truth? I found the Truth, That brother or sister has left The Truth.
As a JW, you are taught that The organisation is the road to everlasting life. Only JWs are on the road to Life. Only a baptised JW will have everlasting life. It is only through the organisation that you can have life. Way or Road, same thing.It is only by following the Faithful and discreet Slave that one can have Life. It is only when you associate with the 144,0000 JWs that JWs can have Salvation. Anyone who leaves JW has left the Road to life and will be destroyed at Armaggedon. This already covers Watchtower claiming to be way and The Life. Everything I am saying is all in your publications till date so don't be stupid. You have been chanting the same claims in this forum. So, once again, I ask, Did any of Jesus's disciples or Apostles claim to be The Way, The Truth and The Life the same way Watchtower is claiming? Did Jesus ever mention an Intermediary that will pose to be what he is when he said he is The Way The Truth and The Life?

YourFavEvangeli:
What's the origin of the proverb "What you're looking for in sokoto dey for shokoto" ?

Ṣòkòtò (trousers)
Sokoto (city in the north)

It simply means you're not far from what you need Yorùbá people love rhymes it doesn't mean both are connected in anyway!

englishmart:
That's another angle. Their miracles are not from the one true God.

Most of our people don't think critically!

After Christ Jesus ousted Satan from heaven in the year 1914 (as taught by the Watchtower society of Pennsylvania) Satan realized that he has a short period of time so himself and all his demons came to the earth {Revelations 12:7-12} and they possessed politicians throughout the earth that's what led to the first world war! Matthew 24:7

After the war famine came to be on the planet as most farmlands were destroyed and most men who were farming lost their lives either directly or indirectly through the war! Matthew 24:7

Earthquakes also increased incredibly due to the lasting effects of atomic bombs used during the war which weakened the surface of the earth. Matthew 24:7

Now hunger and different types of diseases set in afterwards! Matthew 24:7

So it was during this period that Satan had his demons empowered many people with supernatural gifts {Revelations 16:14} but the signs has a purpose: to make people put their trust in the same human rulers who has been possessed by demons! Revelations 19:20

While all these are happening simultaneously the one and only group belonging to Christ Jesus are zealously preaching and teaching industriously in all their neighbourhoods! Matthew 24:14

The point i want to bring out of this is that while the first set of false prophets that came in 1914 died off the generations of false prophets that's following them aren't possessed so they lack the power given to those they're trying to initiate that's why they are seeking magical powers to perform SIGNS and at times tricks to deceive their followers.

If you're above 50 years of age you would have noticed that the magicians we know around the world and most especially in Nigeria for stage performance and TV shows have suddenly disappeared as if there are no more people performing magic again but the truth is that all of them have transformed themselves into PASTORS today {2Corinthians 11:14} as the money they're making through stage performance and TV shows is nothing compared to the wealth, fame and prominence they will make as ministers of God in the society!

YourFavEvangeli:
You're free to keep living in denial. It's funny how you didn't say a single word about shokoto and the sokoto empire. However, if there's anything we have learnt today, it's that trousers isn't everyone's culture in this Nigeria. So before condemming trousers, maybe you should ask about their village first.

Who told you that Ṣòkòtò has anything to do with Sokoto empire?

Guy, Yorùbá is a tonal language and we have a lot of words that has the same spellings but different in meaning that's why you will always see the Yorùbá language writing with TONAL MARKS.

So don't think Ṣòkòtò has anything to do with Sokoto o!

Courz:
Where in the Bible did Jesus specifically say that Non Jews need intermediary that would claim to be The way, The Truth and the Life? Did his disciples ever claim to be the Way, The Truth and The Life same way Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is claiming?

Please quote any publication of Watchtower in which it's written that they are the way the truth and the life!

What the Watchtower is saying is scripturally accurate.
Jesus said he has come only for Israelites {Matthew 10:6} and that it's the Israelites that will connect other nations to him {Matthew 25:34-46} which is according to prophecies foretold long before Jesus' birth {Zechariah 8:23} that's why Jesus said he has other sheep which aren't of the first fold! John 10:16

That arrangement hasn't changed though the Israelites as a nation rejected Jesus that first fold arrangement still stands. That's what was revealed in the Bible book of Revelations as the lamb (Christ) was seen with only 144,000 who are the spiritual Jews! Revelations 14:1

But since you're trying to instigate others against JWs please quote any of our publications where it's written that the Watchtower is the way the truth and the life.

Thanks in advance!