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Courz:
So What you are telling me is that Jesus is the Liar while Watchtower is right?
When Jesus was saying He is The Way, The Truth and The Life, did he mention any intermediary? As the Way, a Christian is meant to be directed to Jesus because it is through him you can get to God. It is because of him you are called a Christian. All his disciples including Paul kept taking the 1st century Christians to Jesus. Did you see any of them telling the Christians then that They were the Way, the Truth and Life just as Watchtower is doing? Read the whole New Testament. It's all about Jesus! So, show me from the Bible where Jesus said that he needed intermediary to pose as The Way, The Truth and The Life.

Ọmọ this your mission of instigating others against Jehovah's Witnesses won't do nothing.

I have quoted Jesus himself several times that none Jews need INTERMEDIARY so if you want to connect him go ahead and do nobody is stopping you nah!

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, between Jesus and Watchtower both claiming to be the Way, The Truth and The Life, who is Lying? Very simple question. Just answer the question.

Jesus is a Jew so he made it clear that he didn't come to be contacted directly by none Jews {Matthew 15:24} so if you're not a Jew then you need his brothers to serve as intermediary between him and you. Matthew 25:34-46
But if you can find your way directly without his brothers go ahead and connect yourself nah!

Courz:
Let's now talk about another teaching of Jesus. Jesus explicitly said He is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to Almighty God except through him. Watchtower says They are the way, the Truth and your means of Salvation. Between Jesus and Watchtower, who is Lying?

Just go back for a proper Bible study because Jesus emphasized that his brothers will serve as intermediary between him and many so that whoever failed to RECOGNIZE them he will not accept into his Kingdom! Matthew 25:34-46

So it's either you figure out who are his brothers that he was talking about or you go back to study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses!

Lucifyre:
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i don't know. do tell.

OK.
To illustrate: imagine you working for a wealthy man who has given you so much gifts to the extent that many people begin envying you. Then the CEO of another company who is a competor sent hoodlums after you then you reported to the CEO who told you to keep calm and allow them take whatever they feel like taking away from you but you feel so much important that you began counting your loss instead of relying on the words of the CEO.
So he asked you:
What do you know about the origin of this company?
Do you know how many people are looking up to me as the second to none?
So why are you worried over your loss when you're sure that it's still within my power to give you back all that you've lost so far?

The CEO is hereby assuring you that if you're able to remain loyal despite all the troubles from his adversary then you will be promoted as the most trusted employee!

All those in the company will not question the CEO when he gives you back all your loss and the promotion you deserve.


In this illustration God is the CEO while Satan is the competitor and attack on Job are the hoodlums while all other workers are the angels who are watching how loyal you will prove to be and whether you truly worth the office he gave you!

AgentNairaland:
Mentality of some people ehm, accusing someone after his death

Even if the accusations are valid it's needless now that the accused can't defend himself!

Lucifyre:
Bro what's all this? Come on! You've gone on a tangent again saying a lot while communicating nothing. Expected though. Pls be honest, how does ur write up there answer or explain the question : 'How did u come about this that God would have likely destroyed Satan instantly but chose not to for "reasons" ??' Your writeup does nothing to explain how u came to ur earlier conclusion or communicate your thought process to form ur deductions or maybe im dumb, but i doubt that. I doubt anyone that reads that would be satisfied even with the references. I read them all.

Please what exactly was God talking about when He mentioned His heavenly sons to Job? Job 38:7
Let's start from there!

YourFavEvangeli:
Wahala And who says we aren't from the same tribe?

You're talking about your own tribe who were naked before the white men came mine were already civilized before the white men came to Africa so you and i aren't from the same tribe!

Courz:
We are not talking about people leaving the teachings of Christ

So it's those PRACTICING it that people like you will call a CULT.
Jesus knew cultists also do the same before saying his disciples will be called a CULT for practicing it! Matthew 10:24-25

YourFavEvangeli:
All of us in West Africa were naked before external influences. There's nothing to be ashamed about that. We achieved the level of innocence Adam and Eve had before they sinned. And sexual immorality was almost unheard of.

Talk about your own tribe not mine!

Sand2022:
During the 2023 Annual Meeting of Jehovah's witnesses, especially the part 2, two talks by David Splane and Geoffrey Jackson revealed the new understanding JWs now have about the fate of the Sodomites, those in Noah's day, those who live from now until before Armageddon. In all, their conclusion is that they don't know, in other words, they are not dogmatic about their fate. These will mean that they don't even know the fate of those in Babylon the Great, and in fact all who are not JWs, including those they call apostates. All these persons might as well come up to meet them in their paradise earth.

You're just funny walahi talahi!

So because we said some might not even have had the opportunity to gain insight so as to be saved that means even people opposing God's organization conscientiously can also enter the kingdom of our God shey?

Continue deceiving yourself!

What we're saying is this:

Jesus preached for so many years and the thief have had about him but then he's not sure if Jesus is the promised Christ so while still contemplating on what to do with Jesus' case he was caught and sentenced to death only for him to meet the same Jesus on the torture stake. With his state of mind he has condemned himself already knowing fully well that he misused his opportunity of becoming one of Jesus' disciples but now that all hope is lost he doesn't know how to approach the man of his dream not until his cohort asked Jesus to perform his usual miracles that this heartbroken sinner raised his voice and rebuked his fellow culprit.

From what happened there are both sinners on the same page?

That's what we are saying.

Many doesn't understand what Noah was saying back then not until the rain began and destroyed all of them. God will not continue being wrathful with those ignorant ones so on the day of resurrection they will be given the opportunity to see Noah in Paradise you can imagine how they will humbly kiss his feet and readily do whatever that righteous man tells them afterwards. But what about those making jest of Noah and even insulting him for the work he was doing?

Sand2022:
I told you I will remind you this your post in January 2024. Remember my point, that salvation should be left to Jesus. Now after watching the Annual Meeting, how far?

You only seek approval for what you want instead of listening attentively to gain insight.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy we're both saying the same thing now so from your own point of view JW's teachings doesn't stop sincere ones among them from having salvation but from the fact i have you (not those who never met JWs before) can't see God's kingdom if you fail to become one of JWs now! I know you won't like this but that's the bitter truth.

If someone has never had the chance one on one discussion with God's organization such a person will be given a fair chance after the destruction of the wicked people but if you've gotten the sense of what God's organization is doing yet you chose to sit on the fence them i'm sorry for you!

Sand2022:
I have responded to them in the op

So in a nutshell what those scriptures says are not to be practiced shey?

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, TB Joshua made it a rule that his disciples cannot leave the Cult. And if they do, there are consequences. His disciples are also not to contact or talk to any disciple that leave the Cult. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society tells you JW that leaving the organisation means leaving Jehovah. Anyone who leaves JWs is an Apostate and must be avoided at all costs. True or False Mad MaxinDhouse. Not all that jargons you just typed up there.

The Apostles told members that whoever turns back from the faith must be shunned:

Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. Romans 16:17

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11

Our God is no longer interested in whoever backslides:
“But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,” and “if he shrinks back, I have no pleasure in him.” Hebrews 10:38

So our God detests anyone who lives the faith.

I just wonder why you're not interested in what God's word says because i can explain to you why it's so!

englishmart:
All those miracles are fake. Nobody knows anybody who knows somebody that was miraculous healed. We only hear the lies on the news

Not all are stage managed, but none got their power from the true God!

YourFavEvangeli:
Before interaction with non-africans, most Africans were naked.

Good!
Not all Africans!

Courz:
Mad MaxinDhouse, TB Joshua made it a rule that his disciples cannot leave the Cult. And if they do, there are consequences. His disciples are also not to contact or talk to any disciple that leave the Cult.
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society tells you JW that leaving the organisation means leaving Jehovah. Anyone who leaves JWs is an Apostate and must be avoided at all costs.
True or False Mad MaxinDhouse. Not all that jargons you just typed up there.

I'm not bothered about your insults here and there but you must quote me properly or keep to yourself.

Lucifyre:
You stated this: "Satan would have been destroyed instantly the moment he challenged God's sovereignty but then how will other sons of God feel about their father if Satan was destroyed immediately?" How did u come about this that God would have likely destroyed Satan instantly but chose not to for "reasons" cause thats what you implied, yes?! What part of the bible made u have that thought process or get that implication to form this narrative?

Thanks for complying with my opinion i'm sorry if this got you annoyed but that's how i does my own things.

First of all the name Satan never appeared in the Bible not until God called him to notice a man named "Job" Job 1:6-8
From this narrative it's clear that only God and Satan knew what they're both dragging because God specifically mentioned one man out of all the inhabitants of the earth meaning Satan could turn them against God but as for this man Satan can't break his integrity.

So why can we say other sons of God in the heavens (angels) are watching to see who truly is right between Satan and their father (God)
God went on to tell Job that the mortal man doesn't know what was involved right from the beginning as angels are praising God as worthy of praise for all his works:

When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? Job 38:7

These are the ones watching to see how the challenge goes so God must not misuse His power in order to continue gaining the heart of His loyal spirit sons otherwise they may feel that Satan could have a point.

At your leisure you can read the whole of Job chapter 38 where God was saying that Job's existence is not what really count even though God has warned Satan twice not to kill the faithful man! Job 1:12; 2:6

Courz:
Ahahahahahaha. You don't know what to say? You thought we forgot about your Cult? See you talking about TB Joshua up and down in threads forgetting you are a pot calling Kettle black. Because of this, people who are shunned by their families commit suicide and murders. There are research papers written about the negative effects of Isolation and how it damages the brain of victims. Because of this abuse and destruction of families, JWS are banned in some countries. They even recently lost their registration as a Religion because the Norwegian government realised that they isolate underage children. There are situations where underage JWS are disowned and driven from home simply because they no longer want to be JW.
So while TB Joshua steals victims from their families, Watchtower steals a whole family from a victim.
Oya Mad MaxinDhouse, counter this let me see.

This is much better!

Now you said FAMILIES are turn apart due to the teachings of an organization claiming they belong to Christ Jesus shey?

Oya explain what Jesus meant in this verses:

"Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me.  Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it"Matthew 10:34-39

That is what the founder of our organization said so if you're interested in knowing further why families must break due to his teachings you're free to ask he is our founder so we must bear the same fruit just as he did.
That's why he said people like you will call his true followers a CULT:

"A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

Some people just love to argue blindly!

Comparing human government using human opinions on how to rule over their kind to a group of BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ constantly studying God's word day and night to know what God's sheep needs. Matthew 24:45
Well faith is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

YourFavEvangeli:
Guy read na......
Open google and search for king khoisan or bushmen of south africa. See what you are posting on a public forumn

I'm not disputing that some people are still not welcoming civilization but not only here in Africa so you saying Africans are naked before the white man came here is out of point.

My own race Oduduwa already had our attire before the white men came!

Courz:
Are you okay? Did you just smoke Igbo before typing that rubbish up there? I am going to mention similarities between your Cult and TB Joshua.


TB Joshua disciples are not allowed to ever leave the Cult. In the recent documentary, one ex disciple revealed that armed Men are placed at the gate of the premises who are ready to manhandle anyone that tries to leave. In the documentary, two videos were shown where two disciples on two different occasions were trying to escape the Synagogue with the armed Men manhandling them but they eventually escaped. Another video shows another ex disciple dressed with hijab and glasses to disguise herself in order to avoid the preying eyes of agents TB Joshua sent to monitor and harm her.

TB Joshua told his disciples that no one leaves the Cult and lives a good life. Anyone who leaves must come back and repent. He says that person's life must go bad. He also says no one should contact any disciple that leaves else you will be punished. His ex disciples revealed that he had a horrible temper and will occasionally flog them with whips on their bare bottoms. One ex disciple tried to leave but was attacked spiritually by TB Joshua. He would appear in her dreams, demons would attack her, she would walk aimlessly like a Mad woman and keep seeing things that are not there. Because of this, she caved in and came back to the Synagogue. When she came back, she was beaten badly by Tb Joshua's Men with blood all over her upper body. She was flogged thoroughly and pictures of her bruises can be seen in the documentary. She was made to say things that she didn't do. She was humiliated in front of the congregation in the Synagogue.

Watchtower on the other hand do not go physical in their abuse of JWs who leave. They do the abuse psychologically which results to other consequences. JWS are not allowed to leave as well. They are taught that anyone that leaves must have his or her life go bad. Things will never work for that person. Anyone who leaves is for Satan and an Apostate. JWs are told to stay away from such people including Families. EXJWs who are living normal moral lives and have had their lives better than when they were in JW have revealed that when they come across JWS Outside and the JWs ask them how they are doing, their answers are always positive because their lives have been better. This usually shocks the JWS because Watchtower lied to them that EXJW lives are supposed to be miserable. They are supposed to be suffering. Going by many testimonies from EXJWs, they have said that their financial situations improved since they left and their marriages became better and were able to live normal lives.

Watchtower makes sure that JWs who leave suffer Isolation which in turn leads to many psychological damage. They believe that when they take people's families, JWs will be forced to come back to the Cult since the Cult also teaches that JWs are not to have close relationships with others who aren't JWs. Because of this, people who are shunned by their families commit suicide and murders. There are research papers written about the negative effects of Isolation and how it damages the brain of victims. Because of this abuse and destruction of families, JWS are banned in some countries. They even recently lost their registration as a Religion because the Norwegian government realised that they isolate underage children. There are situations where underage JWS are disowned and driven from home simply because they no longer want to be JW.

So while TB Joshua steals victims from their families, Watchtower steals a whole family from a victim.

Oya Mad MaxinDhouse, counter this let me see.

No hide and seek game anymore if you want to chat with me then quote me properly or you can continue chatting with others i'm not hungry for chats!

Courz:
Look at you. Your Cult and TB Joshua are in the same WhatsApp group. If I start to mention all the similarities between Watchtower and TB Joshua now we will sleep here.

Funny looser!

BBC and all those accusers are targeting just one person: TB Joshua
Because people know his face both home and abroad but talk of God's organization nobody knows those leading us apart from Ex-jws like you so you can't accuse them of anything all what you will say here is what nobody can verify in their locality.
RUMOURS!

Lucifyre:
Nah, not points, basically all of it, ergo i said walk me through ur thought process of all of it with bible refs that made u come to this pov. U get?!

You're not serious jọọ.

If you want to know something you pick points that's disturbing to you as for me everything i typed has backups in the Bible but you can't expect me to start telling you this is for that nah.
It's your who feels what you're reading is strange that will pick the point one after another!

Emusan:
The @underlined is the key.
Which justified that God was never against human government.
You're just too dull

OK o!

sagenaija:
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They will certainly not be following pastors giving fake new year prophecies.

So you're saying true disciples of Christ don't meet at all for worship shey?

ItShallPass:
If SCOAN is clean,let them sue the testifiers and BBC. Let's see how it will go. They don't need any PR. Let them boldy take legal action so that the truth can be laid bare. A simple DNA test on Ajoke would add a lot of spices to the matter.

Just as Obi sued ....... and won in court shey?

YourFavEvangeli:
The bushmen of South Africa still dress naked till TODAY because that's their CULTURE not because of poverty.
I attached more pictures from the bushmen showing them even getting interviewed by the BBC, speaking on public policies and smoking weed. They're naked by choice not poverty.

Ọmọ these ones are show guys nah!

Are you saying that's how everyone in their place dresses?

Fela Anikulapo Kuti and his ladies usually dress half nude on stage doesn't mean that's how we dress in Abéòkúta!

Perhaps my background as a Muslim caused it because i never believe any miracle man from the first time i heard of it. I'm as inquisitive and critical to most things others do swallow hook line and sinker.
Take for instance:
Jesus was performing miracles among the Jews but then he refused to attend to a Phoenician woman who came begging him to heal her child!
WHY?
Jesus made it clear that the supernatural gifts aren't for people of other nations neither for the benefit of none Israelites! Matthew 15:24
So the miracles weren't meant for everyone rather it's for a certain purpose which Jesus emphasized. Therefore why should God give a blackman like me a strange power in the name of a Jewish man (Jesus) to heal me when all the other man did was just to believe in Jesus?

If it's all about believing in Jesus then miracles supposed to yapa like pure water because billions of people today claims they believe in Jesus so how come it's just few men or women whose teachings and doctrines contradicts one another that the power was given?

If they're all for the same Jesus why aren't they speaking in harmony?

Lucifyre:
Of course to defend the ironic wafffling done up there after contradicting urself u go on a tangent of more waffling with vague platitudes not realising how tone deaf u sound, quite typical. U guys are so funny that u r not funny. But lets say the concocted drivel of a thought process is valid, which it'll never be, how did u come about this thought process using ur bible? What are ur references or referrals in the bible to come up with that☝🏾. Cause i sure as heck can't see any of this in my bible or did god whisper it in ur ear or dreams? Especially with the shallow analogies completing the convoluted mess of a response.

If you want to know something you pick the points that's disturbing you one after the other and let's see if the answers are there in your copy of the Bible!

AgentNairaland:
So you waited three years after the demise of the man before propagating nonsense you knew the dead can't defend right?

That's some people for you!

Imagine someone accusing Abacha today after the man has been buried for the past 26 years and another man said:
"sue the accuser"
Can the person suing the accuser stand to defend the accusations of what he knew nothing about?

One thing i know for certainty is that the dead don't speak so whatever anyone says against the dead holds no water. I remember when all the politicians in Nigeria were saying bad things again General Sanni Abacha and even after his death they continued to make the News with Abacha loot here and there not until General Oladipupo Diya who was sentenced to death by the same Abacha came to the media and began saying something totally different from what we've been hearing in fact Diya stated that Abacha doesn't like any money to be spent unnecessarily yet this is the man everyone expected to add more fuel to the fire!
Please Abacha is dead now for the past 26 years and yet Nigerians are still suffering abeg is it still due to Abacha loot?
Time will tell if what these people are saying is true or false at least the church is still doing it's normal activities as usual sharing relief materials so any intelligent person should know that enemies will try to spoil the church and naive ones will be brainwashed.
If i am one of those televising Emmanuel TV no story after the death of TB Joshua can stop me from televising his program i'm much more intelligent than blackmailers.
Though i have my own reservations regarding all religious title chiefs but for any of them to come out speaking against another i will say they're all birds of the same feather!

Emusan:
Chorus of a common senselessness.
At least you agreed that they are HUMAN GOVERNMENT too.
I know that is still giving you severe pains.

Human government but doing God's will!

You're just too funny!