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Obrigardo:
I think he is past redemption. How can an 80+year old hateful man be redeemed?

It's never too late until one's last breath!

sagenaija:
Why Keep Following Pastors Giving Fake New Year Prophecies?

If God's people who are called by his name do not turn in the right direction to him, we can only expect more woes.

Who are God's people called by his name?
How can innocent individuals identify them?
All pastors are claiming original so who has the TRUE New Year Prophesies?

Nobody will admit that the spirit of God isn't working with him or her so how can we know the true prophets since all of them are good in quoting the Bible?

FRANCISTOWN:
If you noticed my main post. It was a response to OKOATA who said Nigerian atheists are derivatives of American atheists.

Therefore, I had to bring it up that there had been atheists even before the Western atheists came in contact with Nigerians at all. Thus, atheism is not a copy-tellect ideology.

The main purpose of this thread is to achieve this in the minds of the readers that "Atheism is a personal conviction, and you do not need anyone to introduce you to it"

Also, for the paper and for the internet
with their white superiority movement. Atheism could have existed in the west about 500 centuries even before the time of the said Jesus. But our fathers told us one of the reasons their own God(Olódu t'omare) sent the gods was because he wanted the gods to guide humans towards his path. At that time they didn't know him. They were mainly atheists and agnostics. 'talkin bouh some 10, 000 years ago.

But no one will believe this account. You know why? They were not written down, and of course. They are African legends.

Many things started in Africa. Believe me.
Education started in Africa. People came from all over the world to receive knowledge in Egypt. Before the Greek hijacked education, then the Romans, then the British and now the Americans and soon, China will hijack it.

The highlighted was misconstrued!

Fallen angels came down to settle down as men and to mate with female humans, because of their supernatural powers most people turned to them for knowledge and they lied to humans only for all those believing in them to die in the global deluge and only Noah (Lúà) was saved with his household that's why the Yorùbás often refer to virtuous people as Ọmọlúàbí (ọmọ tí Lúà bí)
Those demons later speak to people after the deluge because they never died along with their former followers as they were not humans they dropped their flesh and returned to heaven as spirit beings but God didn't welcome them as loyal angels.

All the people that left Babel went abroad with their deities including the ancestors of Abraham.

So all the inhabitants of the earth were lied to by those demons not until the true God called Abraham to enlighten him about the whole thing!

FRANCISTOWN:
You can say I'm picking one culture over the other but that I know nothing. Ọmọ that statement pass your mouth

I know for sure that you know nothing about Ifá other than stories you're gathering from story tellers and as for Baṣọ̀run Gáà, Ẹfúnṣetán Aníwúrà and the rest all of consult the Oracle they just chose to be wicked but that they don't believe in the gods? Ọmọ that's a lie!

FRANCISTOWN:
I'm kicking one against the other. One is my culture the other is a foreign culture.
Now think about it. Should I favour a foreign culture over my own?

Funny enough you subscribe to none!

DoWhatThouWilt:

The young lady called your members deluded and uneducated.
Two qualities you seem to possess and display in this forum.

Thanks;

FRANCISTOWN:
Christianity was never an African deal. It's simply licking the ass of the white supremacists shit. Atheism is not a racial deal. It's a personal conviction. Since you know about IFA. Did Christianity copy from Ifa corpus or not?

Of course ATHEISM has it's root in the West.
How?
People migrated from the East to other parts of the earth and while they're moving they took along their deities (gods) the settlers in the West today got fed up of the injustice they are experiencing so many of them left their rulers and ran away to settle in the West without their gods that's how they began loosing interest in the idea of deities as the so called gods can't fight for the oppressed.
That's why most settlers in the West became atheistic not until Rome came to colonize them but they continue resisting until they united to fight back and conquered Rome.
So after their Kings have accepted the Roman Catholic Church knowing that it helps to keep their subjects under domination.
Today they're returning to what they had before the Roman Catholic religion: ATHEISM!

FRANCISTOWN:
I know reasonably enough for anybody to whine me

Guy you know nothing you're just being childish picking one against another!

FRANCISTOWN:
You studied IFA a bit. Good!
Knowing is different from believing. I know Ifa Olokun asorodayo, eleri ipin atun ori eni tì ọ sun won she. Abeti kara kara baba kukuru òkè igeti. But I do not believe. I know your biblical fictional character called god called YHWH yet I do not believe. I know the inexistent Allah that the Muslims worship yet I do not believe.
I know of Olúkòso arekujaye Olubambi(distortedly called Arabambi) ọkọ oya. I know of láàlu ogiri oko, onlo laala atari é rí fie lope lope giga tẹbora ga. Orona, ọrọ, osun and many others. I know all those as a knowledge, not as a deity or any mythical being. How deep are you in the Ifa religion. Did you become an initiate?

Ọmọ if you say you know but don't believe it simply means you have nothing to do with what those believing in them says so why are you trying to kick against one in favour of another?

FRANCISTOWN:
Atheism was here before the western culture the same way transgenderism and homosexualism was in Africa before the western culture.
I've given you references.
Don't be an antagonist of a superior knowledge. Stop being the white supremacists ' shit apologist.
Stop ass licking

Transgenderism and homosexualism is totally different from ATHEISM so don't misconstrue it. ATHEISM was never an African idea!

FRANCISTOWN:
I can't even debate you because you obviously don't know about this. Your knowledge is based on what a white head told you, you, being a former follower of Mohammed. I don't know whether you are of the Yoruba descent. But it's such a shame that you know nothing of your own ancestors to think the people I mentioned were full of charms gotten from the gods. According to the IFA corpus, all the gods once lived as human beings. The reason they became gods was because legends believed they had powers that many people didn't have. If you're of the Yoruba descent, go ask the elderly ones in your household to tell you more on what I hinted

Kí ni ìwọ́ mọ̀ nípa ọ̀pẹ̀lẹ̀?
Odù ifá mélòó lo lè kì?

What exactly do you know about Ifá?

The highlighted is what we were told and most of them never died as humans yet they all possessed supernatural powers which you don't even believe exists so what exactly do you know about them?

I studied ifá a bit because my own grandpa was an Ifá priest Ifádùbí by name so i know much more than your professor Ṣóyínká who is lost in thought due to Western Culture!

FRANCISTOWN:
The only person who is being deceived here is you. Jesus , YHWH and his fellow cohorts in the imaginary heaven don't answer any African name. In one of your comments, you said Abraham and Isaac were your fore fathers. I don't get. How did Abraham become Odùduwà or Oranmiyan? Ha! Things dey occur. This is purely common sense. Christianity copied from several religions of the world. It copied from even IFA corpus and from the Egyptian mythology to mention a few. You are the western slave here, not me.

Now you're talking!

So there's no single African atheist that's not influenced by Western Culture, our people believe in gods (deities) none ever said there is no God.

If you want to know why i subscribe to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that's another case entirely but saying ATHEISM has been here before Western Culture, ọmọ that's a lie!

Baṣọ̀run Gaa, Ẹfúnṣetán Aníwúrà and Oyèlọ́rì were full of charms gotten from the gods!

So how can you say such ones don't believe in the existence of God?

What you could have said is that they don't agree with others on rules and standards but as for deities they got all their charms through the gods!

FRANCISTOWN:
It's allowed to be stubborn at ignorance. Atheism first came to be in the west around the eighteen century.

But I've in fact mentioned someone from the 14th century in the ancient Oyo Empire.
Someone from the 17th century.
Someone from the 18th century itself.

These were people who didn't know how to read and write. See, bring on intelligent counterpoints and you are welcome. But this?
It doesn't hold water.

You are lying!

You never said they don't believe in the existence of God (deity) rather they had some habits that's weird.

So mention one black man who can't read or write and doesn't believe in the existence of God!

FRANCISTOWN:
I already mentioned three people who were not accustomed to reading and writing who were atheists.
I don't know what else you are talking about.

You're lying shey?

Mention one as in just one.

If Western Culture deceived you with their many words that can't work with intelligent people so if you can't pick one out of your lengthy epistle then it means you've been lied to!

ATHEISM is a Western idea!

The Bible came from the Middle East where the people believe in the existence of deities so Africans also believe in deities but the Europeans were called Barbarians by Romans before they came together to conquer Rome that's why it was easy for them to accept the Roman Catholic religion. If you want to talk about Gods (deities) you can't mention any known God in Europe unlike in Africa and the East.

FRANCISTOWN:
Your bible opened the path of atheism unto me. Happy now?

Is it the Bible that taught you how to read?

Ọmọ if you're lying it's OK because people do lie but then try doing so intelligently because there is no black man ever who has not read anything before and just wake up to say there is no God!

FRANCISTOWN:
Please read the piece again. I mentioned three.

You never mentioned any if you do single out one now!

A black man who never knew how to read or write and thought within himself that there is no God.

That's what i asked you!

FRANCISTOWN:
When will he answer the prayers of those who are dying of famine in Somalia? When will he answer the prayers of those dying of cancer, those dying of malaria, those dying of unfortunate circumstances? What happens is actually a law of average at work. Not the hands of any God bringing any prayer to manifestation.

Did God ever promised that He will solve the problems facing mankind before His kingdom comes?

The problem with atheists is that you guys just wake up from the lies your religious leaders taught you and voila you start demanding God should do what you've been told when He never made such promises! Psalms 10:4

FRANCISTOWN:
1. Excluding me. I was almost a seminarian. I READ my way out of theism.
2. Exactly the point of this whole thread. Therefore, atheism is not an American thing or an European thing. It's simply a personal conviction.

Please mention one black man who is not influenced by Western culture yet professed that there is no God.

Whatever makes you READ is evidence of the fact that you've been INFLUENCED by what you READ. That's why i said "mention one black man who can't READ or WRITE (since reading and writing came to Africa through Western education and most of their culture was accepted by our people) who professed that there is no God"

FRANCISTOWN:
Please read the piece again. I already mentioned three

Just mention one black man who is not influence by Western culture yet professed that there is no God.

Thanks in advance!

Emusan:
See how he quickly switch from that Ecclesiastical
Irrelevant here!
Out of point.

Thanks for your time!

FRANCISTOWN:
Any question?

Please mention one African who is an atheist without WESTERN EDUCATION.

Thanks in advance!

Dtruthspeaker:
Off point Serpent
And exactly like Satan and atheists and fake preachers you always need a gatherring whereas, Noah, Job, Daniel were alone with God. But this is aside and off point, Serpent. So carry your lies away.

Noah was with 7 people WORSHIPING God!
Job was with his friends WORSHIPING God!
Daniel was with the Jews WORSHIPING God!
So there has never been a time when a servant of God is alone without fellow worshipers who are sharing the same line of thought.

Only Satan is alone that's why himself and his companions can't come to terms regarding how to WORSHIP God as each of them is seeking his own glory!

Emusan:
Here is the verse again, "The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered."

Jesus said:
“Let the dead bury their dead, but you go and declare abroad the Kingdom of God." Luke 9:60

"the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.” Luke 20:37-38

David said:
"The wicked will retreat toward the Grave, All the nations who forget God" Psalms 9:17

Paul said:
"For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused" Romans 2:14-15

Though the dead knows nothing and memories of them is forgotten the true God keeps in mind His loyal servants {Genesis 4:10} that's why their names are written in His memory book {Hebrews 11:4-34} and pagans who lived by their conscience {Romans 2:14-15} because of their good deeds He will remember them {Job 14:13-15} while wicked people who rendered their conscience dead are forgotten! Psalms 9:17

So spiritually speaking it's faithless miscreants and wicked people that will not be remembered unlike the faithful that God is eagerly anticipating to see them live again that's why Jesus said such ones are living from God's viewpoint! Luke 20:36-38

Dtruthspeaker:
See serpent!
Exactly how Satan twisted the bible

You that doesn't believe in the gathering of worshipers is calling someone a serpent and Satan.
Is it not Satan who doesn't believe in the gathering of worshipers?
For your information atheists and agnostics aren't against worship what they detests is the gathering where rules are binding on them so as intelligent beings they are protesting against the gathering of people who are obeying laws set by their fellow human unlike them that only obey someone who has what it takes to kill them: survival of the fittest.

So if you can't present any gathering of worshipers in whose midst you worship then you're a disguised atheist!

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point/Change of Post!
Clearly, people can see the resemblance between you and the serpent.

What is off point?

Guy you're just being unreasonable!

You don't know what it means to know the true God, it's through His LAWS that we believers use to know what He will never do not just by reading stories!

When Satan told hungry Jesus to turn stone to bread and eat Jesus didn't say "i'm not hungry" rather he quoted God's word which says "man must not feed on bread alone" but does what Satan suggest goes against God's will?
YES!
Jesus is not an ordinary man so if he can't withstand hunger how can he compel others to defy hunger to do God's will?

Samuel was dead so a witch can't force God to change God's decision so it's deceit from demons!

Dtruthspeaker:
So now that you have finished twisting like serpent lordReed, you have twisted back to repetition. Clearly like LordReed you love lies.
Yes Samuel was dead and a witch "brought him up"
"And Saul perceived that it was Samuel"
You obviously have the Curse of self decieit.

Samuel a servant of the true God who never had anything to do with witches because his God condemned witchcraft died and it was a witch that contacted him to speak with Saul whom he also abandoned before his death.

Ọmọ accurate knowledge comes with no flaws it's inaccurate knowledge that you won't know how to explain it.

The true God gave His worshipers only one evidence of His existence:

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10

There couldn't have been atheists or agnostics if you can present the true worshipers of God because through observing their conduct in the society everyone will testify to the fact that there is a God (Supreme Being) in their midst! Matthew 5:14-16 compare to Zechariah 8:23

There are many spirits claiming God {1Corinthians 8:5} but the true God is evident by the oneness of His worshipers {John 17:16, 22} as they speak in agreement and having the same line of thought {Corinthians 1:10} so the oneness of His worshipers is enough for any sane human to know the there is ONE who is SUPREME and their gathering! 1Corinthians 8:6

May you have PEACE!

The indisputable fact is that all sane humans BELIEVE (TRUST) in one idea or another the difference is that only a handful few knows the truth.
No matter what, be it atheist or agnostic all men BELIEVE In something that they can't see nor point to!

Chamukebenson:
so i had a conversation with a witness, a lovely woman, i asked about the christmas they don’t celebrate and they started about birthdays and all. i conversed and educated the woman that she has nothing else to say, i got to realize they are in an delusion and disregard the reality of the society, many very uneducated and don’t even read books. i wish i had the energy to type. i cannot be a witness but doesn’t mean i don’t like them

So in a nutshell you like deluded people shey?

Thanks for your contribution.