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Dtruthspeaker:
See the LordReed twisting and change of posts all because you cannot counter. As I have told you, you are no different from atheist and Muslims.

Guy, Samuel is dead and according to God's word the dead can't speak nor have anything to do with the living {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} so it means the spirit that appeared to Saul was one of the demons working with Satan to keep the deceit going that says:

"(Humans) certainly will not die" Genesis 3:4

That's why Solomon said you need thorough meditation and fervent prayer to have the knowledge of truth not just reading the stories! Proverbs 2:1-5

God condemned witchcraft because they are working with demons whose plan is to continue deceiving mankind {Revelations 12:9} so when Samuel died the witch whose activity was banned by God in Israel can't force God to release Samuel who also hate witches in his lifetime to start speaking.

That's what we call ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH!

Emusan:
And after DEATH the dead won't have any more REWARDS nor being REMEMBERED. "The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered." ECC 9:5

Why do you always leave that part?

Atheists who the believe that the dead no nothing and having no rewards.

But the scripture says th righteous are remembered and having plenty rewards from God.

The reward is not about the dead it's the living that will continue to remember them because of their good works but as for them they are lifeless they don't feel anything no love no hatred no regrets no joy it's all gone until God brings them back to life because of those who missed them due to their good works.

The first people that came to Africa claiming they are Christians were impostors the truth is that they are POLITICIANS.
The idea of same sex union was to promote democracy which they defined as the government of the people by the people and for the people, they want everyone to have a say in the politics of your country even if your lifestyle is odd as long as you can talk.
By so doing politicians will welcome all kinds of immoral lifestyles in order to gain the majority.
Why do you think Donald Trump lost the last election?
The man was fighting against gay rights quoting the Bible for them.
That's why they made him realize that the voters never wanted a churchy man rather a person that will approve their lifestyles!

Nextt:
Read the book, The Final Frontier. The answer is there. Resurrection is different from resuscitation. The Thomas Welch Story is another book with evidence that God raises the dead (clinical death). Tell me where Krishna or Allah, or any so-called being has raised anyone from the dead.

Those people are just deceiving you!

Resurrection is part of the wonderful things the Christ will do globally when he returns with his kingship to the earth {John 5:28-29} but the immediate benefit wasn't for any other nation apart from first century Israelites {Matthew 15:24} that's why Jesus told his disciples whom he gave the power to go performing miracles that instruction saying they must not pass the boundaries of Israel with that gift:.

These 12 Jesus sent out, giving them these instructions: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter any Sa·marʹi·tan city; but instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’ Cure the sick, raise up the dead, make lepers clean, expel demons. You received free, give free. Do not acquire gold or silver or copper for your money belts, or a food pouch for the trip, or two garments, or sandals, or a staff, for the worker deserves his food" Matthew 10:5-10

Other nations will later benefit when God's kingdom through Christ Jesus comes but as for the Israelites supernatural gifts was to help them preach their messages effectively since no god from any nation has promised of a better future apart from Jehovah (Yahweh) the God of Abraham. So if they perform some of the signs it will strengthen the Israelites to go and preach the message with boldness in all other nations {Matthew 28:19-20} but the gift will not last since Jerusalem the city for which God gave them the benefit will soon be wiped out back then! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet you see Samuel being woken after death to speak. You are as delusional as atheists are.

So if Samuel refused to speak with Saul while he was still alive and God has condemned Saul as king never to speak with him again you think witches that God forbids will call Samuel or force God to allow dead Samuel speak with Saul?
Well it's far beyond Churchgoer's brains!

Nextt:
I did not preach traditions of men when I gave my reply. It is there in the Word of God for all to see. Of course, your JW bible says something different.

The two passages i first quoted wasn't from JW rather it's the truth that's been hidden from the masses for centuries.
Jesus never spoke English what he said was actually translated to many languages before the English.
So if you're really interested in knowing the truth why not find out for yourself what Jesus said in Hebrews that was later translated to Greek (by his disciples) before other languages started making their own copies?

God never thought of tormenting living creatures in fire:

And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart. Jeremiah 7:31 KJV

Jesus said so many things using PARABLES {Matthew 13:13, 34} therefore you can't grasp what he meant by reading the interpretations of the churches. What you need to do is found out the exact word they translated to HELL then find out what it really means in Hebrew (Jesus' mother tongue)

Nextt:
stop believing a lie. the Lord Jesus clearly said "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth", "where their worms do not die". the Bible is clear that there will be a Great White Throne judgment and hell will give up its prisoners who will be condemned to the second death. The Jehovah's Witness bible has taken away a lot of things from the true Word of God and has added false interpretation of the Scriptures. dead people don't weep and gnash their teeth, if a person is dead how come they go for judgment? hell is real and God has witnesses, living and sleeping, that have told you and the world. you can never claim ignorance on that Day.

Guy if you're ready to learn this is the time not some traditional credulity passed on to you by your religious leaders! Matthew 15:7-8

I myself formerly was taught that there is some kind of torment after death but now i know better.

There is just two destinations: LIFE or DEATH

There is no third place!

Dtruthspeaker:
Whatever the grammar, the bottomlne is that all found guilty will be thrown into a very very bad place they will hate.

After death nobody knows anything again their memory is gone {Ecclesiastes 9:6} so they won't know anything after they die.

Bendy:
Hello Nairalanders, do you think God really sends people to hell? Personally, I believe God does not send people to hell; they go there themselves. God is rather the one saving people from hell. Please share your thoughts.
Thanks.

What Jesus really said about Heaven and Hell (Google)
https://time.com > Jesus really said about heaven and hell | TIME

In traditional English versions, he does occasionally seem to speak of “Hell” – for example, in his warnings in the Sermon on the Mount: anyone who calls another a fool, or who allows their right eye or hand to sin, will be cast into “hell” (Matthew 5:22, 29-30). But these passages are not actually referring to “hell.” The word Jesus uses is “Gehenna.” The term does not refer to a place of eternal torment but to a notorious valley just outside the walls of Jerusalem, believed by many Jews at the time to be the most unholy, god-forsaken place on earth. It was where, according to the Old Testament, ancient Israelites practiced child sacrifice to foreign gods. The God of Israel had condemned and forsaken the place. Jeremiah 7:31

In the ancient world (whether Greek, Roman, or Jewish), the worst punishment a person could experience after death was to be denied a decent burial. Jesus developed this view into a repugnant scenario: corpses of those excluded from the kingdom would be unceremoniously tossed into the most desecrated dumping ground on the planet. Jesus did not say souls would be tortured there. They simply would no longer exist.

They don't come close to the qualities we will experience in Paradise, when God's kingdom comes the females in Paradise will become PERFECT after 1,000 years of Christ.
So do everything to get there because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able! Luke 13:24

Maynman:
Were you blind before quoting me with your nonsense?

Thanks

Globad:
May God bless you and your church

Amen in Jesus name!

Globad:
Your head is correct
But how come many churches still preach tithing and enforce its collection?

I can only speak for my own church: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION

We only concentrate on Christ and his Apostles.

Globad:
What of the one on tithing?

God instituted the law of tithing when that nation was still together as 12 tribes. All these tribes are supposed to bring the 10th part of their gain every three years to the temple for the only tribe (Levites) God chose to officiate in the temple. Deuteronomy 14:26-29

500 years to the time Jesus walked the earth 10 out of the 12 tribes has left so the remaining two tribes can't adequately provide for the Levites that's why the remaining two felt they can't meet up with the responsibility {Nehemiah 13:10} that's why God sent prophet Malachi to the Jews telling them that He is able to provide for them to the extent that they will have more than abundance only if they trust Him by paying their tithe with faith! Malachi 3:8-12

So when Jesus walked the earth the faithful Jews who were struggling to pay the tithe don't pay to the right people because the Levitical priesthood has been abused! Matthew 23:23-24

Jesus established Christianity and told his disciples that it has nothing to do with Judaism so they're given their Apostleship and discipleship FREELY so they mustn't monetize their services {Matthew 10:8} that's how tithing ended in Christianity.

Apostle Paul later wrote a letter to the Jewish Christians who are still going to pay their tithes in the temple of the Jews whereas the Jews don't want them in that temple. Therefore since the priesthood has been changed the law that says people should pay tithes to them is no more! Hebrews 7:5-12

All the laws that came with the Mosaic laws are no longer for Christians because Jesus our model never pay tithes to anyone and as our highpriest he never collected tithe from anyone.

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Maynman:
Were you blind before quoting me with your nonsense?

I'm sorry please it's a mistake don't bother!

Maynman:
Jesus never refer to his followers as "believers".
So please tell me where he address "Jews" and not "believers" in Matthew 5:18_20.

And the "Jews" are not in bondage like you "believers" that need a "messiah".
Every Jewish person knows that Messiah simply means a Jewish king, not someone that will give them salvation.

Where in Deuteronomy 18:18-19 talks about messiah leading them to salvation?
Where in Jeremiah 31:33 talks about changing of law?
You better know your verses when you talk to me 😂

The Jews don't even know Paul, talkless of knowing the letters he wrote to Galatians, so I wonder why you quoting Galatians here.

Maxinthehouse why don't we fist trash who Paul is and who made him an apostle.
Let's see your level, shall we?

Oh it's you!
Sorry, i'm not interested in fruitless arguments but if you truly truly want to know i will teach you just don't argue blindly because i hate it when people do so.

Maynman:
The standard is the law and the prophets
Matthew 5:18_20
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus is addressing Jews in those verses not all believers!
The Jews are to study the laws and prophets in order to know how they will WORK with the Messiah who will teach them the way of holiness.
According to Moses whom God used to give them the laws it's not those laws that will lead them to salvation rather it's the Messiah {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} so the laws will lead them to the Messiah while the Messiah will lead them to salvation which means after the Messiah has come they no longer need those laws! Galatians 3:19-25
When Jesus uttered that statement the Jews listening were misconstruing his message as it was as if he was writing off their laws and prophets, all the actions of the prophets now seems as if they were evil. Take for instance a prophet of God in ancient Israel will pray for Israelites soldiers to go and fight their enemies but Jesus is now saying they must love and pray for their enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} an Israelite prophet will curse anyone who cross their path or insults them but Jesus is saying they shouldn't curse anyone {Luke 6:28} an Israelite prophet will stand to approve the killing of anyone who breaks the law but Jesus is telling them that they shouldn't do so.
All these amounted to their concluding that Jesus is against the laws and the prophets.
However what Jesus came to establish is not the old Constitution guiding that nation to know him rather he came to gather all the people who are interested in knowing the true God globally under one umbrella {John 10:16} that's why the constitution Israel was using before his time must be changed {Jeremiah 31:33} otherwise it will be impossible to unite all faithful people throughout the earth as the constitution and traditions differs from nation to nation! John 4:24

So Jesus is the standard not the laws or the prophets!

paxonel:
And you will agree that part of the subdue requires humans to slaughter animals at will, which is never illegal. This is also survival.

I didn't see this earlier!
According to God's word it was after the curse on the ground that man had to start looking for edibles since he has been driven out of the garden prepared for him, in Eden all the fruits were good for consumption except the one in the middle of the garden.
After the curse man can't find such food again because it's thorns and thistles the ground will grow for him {Genesis 3:18} so in order to get edibles he must work really hard! Genesis 3:19

The dew that often saturates the ground stopped for centuries until the ground became so hard, that's why God decided to bring rain in replacement of the morning dew.

God told Noah after coming out of the Ark that he should start eating some animals to replace the nutrients lost since Eden has been wiped off and the good trees that supposed to serve as balanced diet are gone the flesh of animals would replace some of those nutrients. So Noah was ordered to eat the flesh of animals but avoid it's fat and blood! Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 3:17

So God never authorized killing animals for fun rather it's the lost nutrients Eden took away that we need in their flesh and the same applies to carnivorous animals we know today, it's the loss of good edibles they can't find outside Eden that leads to hunting one another for food back in Eden the trees and fruits found there were sufficient enough to satisfy all moving creatures.

Most people often ask why God created pests like mosquitos that feeds on blood but they failed to reason that mosquitoes is one of the insects God created so had it been we are still in Eden all these creatures will have what to keep them growing instead of feasting on one another's flesh or blood!

So my friend if atheists and agnostics are been deceived by their thoughts {Proverbs 3:5} and saying survival of the deadliest killers is normal a real Bible student shouldn't be carried away with their thoughtless reasoning!

DavidEsq:
Always lengthy stories and no point.

OK Sir!

Most religionists go on social media to claim God told them one thing or another about popular people sometimes they even speak about fellow religionists who are popular.
Is this true or they're trying to use such ideas to make fame?

DavidEsq:
Sorry I ain't saying any sense.

NO!
All you just need is to be swift in listening and slow in response {James 1:19} your attitude reminds me of apostle Paul who stood against the Christians because they don't preach the law rather they Christians were preaching and teaching that all what people need to be saved is Jesus {Act 2:38} of course it will irritate a Jew who so much thought he needs the Mosaic laws to gain God's Kingdom but Moses has told their ancestors that what they really need for salvation is not in those laws rather those laws will continue to guide them until the one they need as role model will come {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} in fact apostle Peter reminded the first century Jews of what Moses said! Act 3:22
So my friend all the laws ever written hangs on two commandments: LOVE for God and LOVE for neighbours! Mark 12:29-31

Jesus perfectly, excellently and judiciously did just so that's why the scriptures say all we need to do is look intently at him and try to imitate him {Hebrews 12:2} all those that lived before John the baptist none of them is as great as a person who is able to imitate Jesus {Matthew 11:11} because they have not gotten the pass mark but the one who is able to put one the new personality in Christ?
No law could be raised against him! Galatians 5:22-23

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

DavidEsq:
Murder, adultery or even covetousness is not for christians ba? Keeping one's mouth shut is wise in most occasions

Why not ask your question with sense?

I said Christians don't need those laws because we have the role model to which we are looking up to for our salvation.

So if Christ use to murder then i can.
If Christ used to commit adultery then i can.
If Christ is covetous then it's OK.

Do you now get the sense of what i'm saying?

Samunique:
Mr judge, are taking the place of God
Self righteousness is worse than the son of witchcraftcy.

Out of point Sir.

True Christians live in virtually all the countries of the earth today but Christianity is restricted due to the abnormalities caused by religionists misremembering Christianity.

Truths9ja:
more explanation here. I’m quoting scriptures the Christian standard .
Deuteronomy 22:5 has two prohibitions wrapped into one verse. The purpose of this Q&A is to determine the meaning of this verse.
A woman shall not wear man’s clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 22:5 (NASB)

And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.Zephaniah 1:8

God is warning Jewish Kings who are putting on the attires of pagans, note that they're supposed to be the frontiers in obedience to God's word. This has nothing to do with trousers that's not your own culture nah!

Truths9ja:
Bible forbid tattoos too. Bible is our standard

Leviticus 19:28, “You shall not make gashes in your flesh for the dead, or incise any marks on yourselves.”

You yourself know that this is not a tradition of any known race it's hooliganism that's found virtually everywhere among hooligans.

However the scripture you quoted is about the use of marks put on the body of a living person to revere the dead for protection so that the dead do not come hunting them.
In all pagan customs people believe in doing one thing or another to appease the dead but God's word teaches that the dead can't help nor harm the living:

There is hope for whoever is among the living, because a live dog is better off than a dead lion. For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun! Ecclesiastes 9:4-6

So God used that law to warn His people not to fear the dead!

descarado:
This is igbo men traditional attire.
Trouser is from a borrowed culture.

The problem with you guys is that you hardly research on anything. Once some deluded persons say something and look for one passage to back it up, you all follow like zombie.

In the time of the bible, Israeli men wear gown.
Before you continue, check the origin of trouser.
Who made you guys like this.
When they say our intelligent quotient is very low, I agree wholeheartedly if not why will an educated adult I presume believe this thing you wrote up there.
Moralistic yet the most corrupt nation in the world.

Christianity is a joke in Nigeria.

When true Christians go for our international convention you will see different dress codes of people from different geographical locations on this planet CHRISTIANITY is not about the tradition of the Israelites:

Then there came to Jesus from Jerusalem Pharisees and scribes, saying: “Why do your disciples overstep the tradition of the men of former times? For example, they do not wash their hands when about to eat a meal.” Matthew 15:1-2

Christianity is a way of life not the custom or tradition of the Jews that's why the Jews hate Christianity since Christ never made their tradition the major purpose of his teachings!

Truths9ja:
I replied you with scriptures back, you are here dragging the names of pastors. I don’t have time for that

Quote where trousers is mentioned in the Bible because what men wear in Bible times is skirt not trousers:

Even your SKIRTS are stained with the blood of the innocent poor ones, Though I did not find them in the act of breaking in; It is on all your SKIRTS. Jeremiah 2:34

Truths9ja:
you don’t believe in the biblical scriptures, you only believe what’s coming from your brain. Abeg shift joor. I think we can do brain work by dipping more on scriptures but I don’t know that Na the names of pastors and G.Os you will be dragging here. I’m ready for that in the year 2024. So avoid me

Madam you only quoted one verse of the Bible that your pastors quoted out of context that's why you can't continue quoting the Bible again like a real Bible student.

However let it be known today that Mr Joseph Ayo Babalola is not Jesus Christ who started Christianity so his opinion can't stand as laws for believers in God's word.

Truths9ja:
you don’t have to bring the names of pastors or prophets here. You aren’t mature here. Let’s iron it through the Bible they read and the way it’s been interpreted. You will be displaying your ignorance here by dragging the name of pastors, prophets or Apostles to the discussion. Bible is the Christian standard, so speak more of Bible scriptures

I've been QUOTING the scriptures but you're not satisfied that's why the names of these guys should be brought forward perhaps to let you know that they differ in opinion on the matter when God's word stand as final!

Truths9ja:
I believe what’s in the Bible and goes with what the church follow traditionally cos’ the Bible is our manual and our standard in the Christian fold

I disagree with the highlighted because people coming here to dispute what you're saying are also claiming Christians and they also worship in places called "CHURCH"

So to set matters straight you must quote God's word not the tradition set by Joseph Ayo Babalola!

Truths9ja:
you make it a culture if you are not committing sins with it. You make it a culture if you dwell in it by wearing what is meant for the male part and the women wearing the female parts too. See Christian is culture. It’s instructions from God that men shouldn’t wear tattoos, women’s wears, wigs, chains and rings.

Regarding the highlighted please quote the Bible not what your church says.
That's the only way you can reach the hearts of real Bible believers not people following the traditions set by different religionists like Kumuyi, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya, Oyakilome and Co.
If you want to reach people's hearts use God's word {Hebrews 4:12} let's see where God's word specifically mentioned those dress codes!

Truths9ja:
you are confusing yourself the more. Laws are different from instructions. What of not putting in tattoos in the body too. Stop confusing yourself here please. In Israel, we have the Jews, the Egyptians, the Palestinians, the Muslims, the arabians, the Greeks, et al

Do you BELIEVE what is written in the Bible or you're just arguing in support of your church tradition?

I'm telling you that Israelites aren't Christians right from the time Jesus walked this planet till today and i'm quoting the Bible to show you not just arguing blindly!