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Proudlyngwa:
In the beautitides Christ told you what you must do to inherit the kingdom of God,
He also told you if you love me, keep my commandments, and his commandments were love your God and love your neighbour, that is the fulcrum of the ten commandments,
Any other thing is piety, that is why he said on the last days a lot of people will come to me saying they did this and the did that, but he would say depart From me
So if you must be a Christian you must be Christlike, keepi his commandments of love, for on that hinges all other commandments,
Unfortunately that is not what we have in this days so called Christians.

Jesus commanded his disciples to go and preach in all the nations baptizing them in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit {Matthew 28:19} then TEACHING them to observe all what he commanded. Matthew 28:20
Do you know any group that's practicing this today?

OLAADEGBU:
On the second day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
Two turtle doves
And a partridge in a pear tree.

So Kumuyi approves this song in his church or you just want to follow the worldly trend?

Ọmọ you're not a believer at all, real believers have deep respect for God's servants and what comes out of their mouth definitely it's just Kumuyi's fame that's your take whatever the man teaches is of no use to you!

It's now established that this OLAADEGBU just love the fame Kumuyi has not that he has any regard for God, his word or his servants.
Christmas that's nowhere to be found in the Bible he said it's for Christians even when his daddy in da lord already told everyone that it's a pagan festival.

Kingsnairaland:
Even his prayer is detestable. Proverbs 28:9... This place is talking about that person prayer not another person that wants to pray for him

God warned Jeremiah not to pray for Israelites who rejected God's laws! Jeremiah 11:14
Jesus Christ will not pray for anyone who is not willing to obey God's word! John 17:8-9

With the two examples of Jeremiah and Jesus Christ i believe there's no need arguing further if you feel Jeremiah is not enough what about Jesus Christ himself?

Thanks for your time.

My job is done here as tctrills has confirmed what i said that all religionists are fools because there's no religion that's not saying they're higher than the rest.
He only have issues with Jehovah's Witnesses who has come out boldly to say it publicly so even though all the others are saying the same secretly they're not offending tctrills except Jehovah's Witnesses who are saying it openly.

Farewell!

tctrills:
You obviously did not understand anything I wrote. Do you want me to explain again?

Guy i have told you the truth that's what is biting you right now:

You're a disguised atheist who feels like people gathering for worship are fools so you have built a secret altar in your heart where you bow to yourself each time you wake up.

This is what you said yourself:

tctrills:
So only members of JW feel they are higher than the rest.
Muslims feel the same about their faith.
Catholics feel the same about their faith.
Pentecostals feel the same about their faith.
So stop fooling yourself.

So if Muslims, Catholics and Pentecostals feels the same about their religions they're all fools except you who has no religion except yourself!

tctrills:
Oga please read your bible and stop saying nonsense.
Again you need to visit your dictionary and look for the word patronize.
Read your bible and read your dictionary and you will be fine

@ Matthew 25:14-29

Who is the master of the house?
What does he expect his servants to do with the talents he gave them?
Why did he condemn the servant who refused to MARKET what he had?

tctrills:
No that's not why you are fooling yourself. Your beliefs are personal but when you try to sell such beliefs predicated on nothingness, that makes one a fool.
You just told me that your religion is the best. But that is based on nothing.
You have not answered basic questions such as, how do we quantify the best?
What do you offer that other religions don't?
Note, you offer a life of bliss on earth while many others offer a salvation in heaven. This automatically makes your religion inferior.
Also when you look at your religion through the prism of the bible, it becomes flawed.

So since Muslims, Catholics and Pentecostals also says the same thing they're also fools or they righty said so except Jehovah's Witnesses?

tctrills:
So, Jesus Christ was never a marketer. First the bible never said he was such and secondly, in practice, he was not marketing.
So are you familiar with the principles of marketing?
Marketing involves selling a product for a price.
Salvation is free so in essence, no commodity was being exchange for reward so again you are wrong.
He was not a marketer.

You're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion as far as Jesus is concerned his disciples are MARKETERS who are marketing something {Matthew 25:14-29} but he commanded them to give it out freely {Matthew 10:8} hence God's word urged those patronizing them:
"take life’s water free." Revelation 22:17

Kingsnairaland:
First pope did not say he will bless pray for gays marriage
Now if a child is gay (which can never even happen)
I will pray for him to become straight I will bless him to succeed in life but I will never attend his gay wedding Or bless the gay wedding
But I will attend his eating ceremony and eat with him I will show him Bible places that said whom ever practice homosexuality
Will partake of lake of fire.

You've really tried as human with your PERSONAL opinion regarding the child who chose to rebel against God's standard but then this is what God said about rebellious children:

The one refusing to listen to the law —Even his prayer is detestable. Proverbs 28:9

When God's people (Israelites) turned against God's laws which their ancestors passed on to them {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} Jeremiah the prophet wanted to pray for them but God objected saying:

“As for you, do not pray in behalf of this people. Do not cry out in their behalf or offer a prayer for them, for I will not be listening when they call out to me because of their calamity. Jeremiah 11:14

This is why the first century Jews felt that Jesus was Jeremiah who returned to them {Matthew 16:14} because Jesus will not pray for anyone who rejected his wise counsel! John 17:8-9

So it's your own thinking that approves prayer for an adult who has been taught God's laws but rejected it.

Aemmyjah:
Mention the Holy dayss Christians were asked to observe 😂

He is just fooling around because if he says Kumuyi is God's sent and Kumuyi condemned Christmas but he loves the pagan festival then he is surely fooling himself!

tctrills:
You have come with another falsehood

Why not answer the questions if Jesus is not a marketer or group?

There are many religions before his coming and he said only his followers will be saved so what happens to those who aren't following him?
Or are you of the opinion that Jesus was fooling himself for saying it's only through him can people be saved and that nobody can be saved if they're not following his teachings?

tctrills:
Why do you think they are fooling themselves?

You said i am fooling myself because i believe exactly what they believe regarding their religion knowing best nah!

tctrills:
Oga honestly do you have a problem with memory?
Have I not told you several times that my goal isn't to judge any organization but to discuss christian topics and doctrines.
So if you bring up a Catholic doctrine for example, we can discuss it.
Please stop making me to repeat myself.

Jehovah's Witnesses say we knows best.
Muslim say the same.
Catholics say the same.
Pentecostals say the same.

Are all these people fooling themselves?

That's the question because i claimed JWs knows the best you said i am fooling myself yet you admitted that all other religions are saying the same thing.

tctrills:
No one called Christ a marketer. Stop embarrassing yourself

Ọmọ Jesus Christ called himself a marketer!

According to the illustration he gave at Matthew 25:14-29

Who is the master of the house?
What does he expect his servants to do?
Why did he condemn the servant who refused to MARKET with the talent given him?

tctrills:
JW feel they are higher than the rest.
Muslims feel the same about their faith.
Catholics feel the same about their faith.
Pentecostals feel the same about their faith.
So stop fooling yourself.

tctrills:
I don't see what you saying please explain yourself

All those religionists feeling the same way are FOOLING THEMSELVES.
YES or NO?

tctrills:
So only members of JW feel they are higher than the rest.
Muslims feel the same about their faith.
Catholics feel the same about their faith.
Pentecostals feel the same about their faith.
So stop fooling yourself.

My point exactly!

MaxInDHouse:
The truth remains that all religionists have their beliefs so people like you feel they're just being stupid but when you see JWs confidently airing our beliefs you feel so threatened.

So all those having the same feelings are FOOLS because you have nothing to be proud of, do you now see what i've been saying?

tctrills:
Also, he was the one that told me that he was a marketer.

Marketing what the man called "CHRIST" instituted {Matthew 25:14-29} i'm not here to question your anonymosity it's your choice so you too shouldn't question my market since you have nothing to market.
If you want to criticize my market then present yours but if you don't then i'm not disturbing you. Do you get it now?

tctrills:
I have tried to teach you. Even your fellow JW had tried to teach you. Clearly no one can help you. Your bible teaches you not to bear false witness but you obviously don't care.
You don't know where I worship but you would sell your falsehoods. Just calm down, I am not here to sell a church to you. You are here to sell your church but you only keep making your church look shady and messed up.

I am Maximus proudly one of Jehovah's Witnesses. The one and only organization that people are seeing high above all other religions. Isaiah 2:2
That's why the OP could call the name publicly to announce to you what they're doing though his own religion remains anonymous.
It's like saying:
"thank God they have approved beards" Matthew 5:14-16

Friend22:
This lies you wouldn't want to attribute to yourselves you are attributing it to one of the best humans on earth to ever live.

Haaa Oma sẹ́ o!

Do you celebrate your own birthday other than the day you were born?
I can certainly and undoubtedly say no,but you celebrate an attribution to a man who never for once celebrated his birthday.

You can see how misguided you guys are.

They are ready to celebrate his birthday even if he's not pleased with it! Matthew 15:7-9

Kingsnairaland:
We must study before speaking.

Do you have a son?
As a father will you give your blessing if he wants to marry as gay?

If your Pope says he is ready to bless gay marriage it's because he is childless unlike right thinking parents who will like to see their children have children!

People love to celebrate whatever comes with food and gifts it's obedience they won't accept so whether you claim to be a believer or atheist as long as you're not obedient to those teaching you God's word there's no difference.

"Christmas is IDOLATRY" says Kumuyi your pastor!

Vinnie2000:
Jehovah Witness, GKS or Seven day Adventist Followers who are Civil servants
do NOT Refuse Christmas package from the Govt or their company during December every Year.
Who Dem dey deceive? 😏😕

That's where wisdom comes in!

Please do the companies give the packages to people who never worked for them?
For instance if i have worked for a company from January to December and bonuses for my labour is about to be shared call it any name i will collect my bonus because it's only meant for those who have served the company not just anybody!

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus is the reason for the season.

Five Churches that doesn't celebrate Christmas!
But despite what those taking the lead in these religions say only Jehovah's Witnesses are practicing what we preach.
https://www.nairaland.com/4255053/5-churches-dont-celebrate-christmas

seguntijan:
yet not all Churches participate in this particular tradition.
Here are the denominations that don't celebrate Christmas and why they avoid it.

Jevohah’s Witness
This religious organisation is one of the biggest group of Christmas-shunners. The interesting thing is that they were not always this way. Once upon a time, Jehovah’s Witnesses used to observe Christmas. This was until 1928, after further study by one official.
According to spokesman J.R. Brown from the church’s Brooklyn, New York, headquarters, this official’s findings led to the church dropping the holiday.
The official found that this is based on“false religious beliefs or activities.” Deseret News reports that this is explained in a 1993 book, “Jehovah’s Witnesses — Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom.”
Still, it took a while for everyone to get on board with the new tradition of no longer celebrating Christmas.
Brown says after the group “ cast aside religious teachings that had pagan roots, they also quit sharing in many customs that were similarly tainted. But for a time, certain holidays were not given the careful scrutiny that they needed. One of these was Christmas.”
The major reason why they do not celebrate it because they believe the Bible would have said something if Christmas observance was important, however, they do not prevent others from honouring the day.
In Brown’s words, Witnesses now ask themselves “does this please God, when it is not mentioned in the scriptures?”
How Witnesses now approach the holiday
Brown says, “If someone is dealing with you and they say, ‘Merry Christmas,’ we do not go into a sermon about the pagan origins.
“You don’t make an issue of it every time because we have to face the fact that they mean well when they say ‘Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.’
“We will say this is the time of year many people are actually thinking about Jesus Christ. Did you take notice of what he put their emphasis on in his life?”
Brown adds, “I personally go out. I’m 74, and I’ve done this since I was 4 years old.”
Birthdays, Halloween, Easter, Mother’s Day, New Year’s Day, and Valentine's Day are also shunned because of their pagan origins.

Seventh Day Adventist Church
Like Jehovah’s Witnesses, this church is also against the celebration of Christmas.
A publication from the group that goes to church on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath day, not Sunday reads: “ We do not celebrate Christmas as the Birth of Christ per say since Christ was not born in Dec.
“He did not want us to celebrate His birth or He would have told us when He was born. It has become a money-making celebration with Christ mixed in. It is a pagan ritual.
“We join in to be with the Family or friends to celebrate their friendship and love as a family gathering and for the Children. Easter too is a pagan holiday and we do not celebrate the Name but we honour Christ’s Resurrection and keep the day in mind on what He has done for us. We do not make an issue out of it but quietly honour Christ….it’s a gathering also for the Children. It is a personal Choice.”

Deeper Life
A few years ago, Pastor W.F. Kumuyi, the head of Deeper Life Bible Church » announced to his members and the world that his church does not celebrate the popular holiday.
Explaining why at the 2013 December retreat, he said: “We don’t celebrate Christmas nor sing Christmas carol; because Christmas is of idolatrous background.”

God’s Kingdom Society (GKS)
This is another church that is anti-Christmas. According to the church’s official website, they believe that there is no single evidence in the Bible that Jesus Christ was born on the 25th of December.
Rather, they believe that He was born in October and that Christmas originated from “a noisy pagan festival in honour of the god of the sun” » .
While other Christians celebrate Christmas in December, this church celebrates the birth anniversary of Jesus Christ in October. This is done with something called the Freedom Day.
The church was started by St. Gideon Meriodere Urhobo in 1934 after leaving Jehovah’s Witnesses. He lived from 1903–1952. The headquarters can be found in Warri.

Religious Society of Friends
There is a religious group called the Religious Society of Friends, also known as Quakers.
This church believes that “every day is a holy day,” so there is no need to single out just one day to celebrate.
Another reason why they do not celebrate Christmas is that some Quakers are trying to go back to the ways of early Christianity.
Chris Pifer, a spokesman for the Friends General Conference, says, “ There’s an effort within aspects of Quaker practice to try and explore and find primitive Christianity, the church before it became a political entity.
“In very early Christianity, there weren’t holidays like Christmas anywhere close to the form it is today.”
Wikipedia reports that 52% of the group around the world can be Africa. Kenya reportedly has the largest number of Quakers in this continent.
According to the church’s website, fwccafrica.org, the Nigerian branch started as a small worship group in Lagos in the early 1990’s.

Mountain of Fire Ministries (MFM) don’t celebrate Christmas too. According to the founder, Pastor D.K. Olukoya, “We don’t celebrate Christmas because the root is demonic.”
Regardless of what these churches believe, billions of Christians around the world continue to mark Christ’s birthday on December 25 each year.

This shows you're just following Kumuyi blindly you don't really believe God is using the man to speak to you!

tctrills:
Are you daft? I just told you that my interest is christian doctrine and not discussing churches. Don't you see why your members are ashamed of you? Your bible told you, don't bear false witness. Yet you are here spreading lies about me and what I do in secret.
You have no regards for any of God's commandments. You are only interested in your foolish manmade and false arguments.

Being abusive won't change the fact that you're an atheist, believers in Christ have one thing in common: we are always proud of our gathering as we refer to it as the gathering of Holy Ones! 1Corinthians 14:33

Note that it doesn't mean we are perfect humans but when talking about the purest of all forms of worship we have it.

That's what atheists hate to hear as they want to prove that they can be pure without having to associate with others! Hebrews 10:24-25

So in the absence of such gathering you surely have a secret altar in your heart where you bow down to yourself daily therefore you look at people gathering for worship as fools.

But it's OK continue whatever you wish i am Maximus proudly one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

AbuTwins:
The end justifies the means!

1. Christmas wasn't mentioned by name anywhere in the Bible just as trinity!

2. Many so called big pastors has called it idolatrous or don't celebrate it.

3. Jesus spent about 33 years on earth and he didn't for once celebrated Christmas!

4. The Christmas tree and Santa are pathetic symbols of paganism! We call masquerades idolatry but embrace red and white Santa!

5. I was just intimated that the industry producing Christmas tree, Santa clothes, etc is a billion dollar industry!

6. And chicken sellers too go sell.

And everything reeks of paganism but just because it cloaked in the garment of western civilization then it's acceptable and normal!

Guy you shop winch?
You get liver o!

spencekat:
It is not an issue. To celebrate Christmas is not a sin. You can choose your own date if 25th December is not okay for you.

If you're not a member of Deeperlife then it's not an issue but for a diehard member of Deeperlife who has always been speaking about Kumuyi as his daddy in da lord this should be a matter of serious concern.

If Kumuyi said Christmas is idolatry and his son in da lord choose to celebrate idolatry then something is wrong somewhere.

God's word admonished believers:

Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out, imitate their faith. Hebrews 13:7

What is OLAADEGBU imitating if not the faith of Kumuyi when he's always here talking about Kumuyi?

Sand2022:
I think that the disorderly conduct still refer to issues not warranting a judicial Committee.
In your Organize book, this was said:
10 Occasionally, someone not guilty of practicing a grave sin for which he could be expelled from the congregation shows flagrant disregard for God’s standard that should govern Christians. This could include such things as being extremely lazy, critical, or dirty. He could be “meddling with what does not concern [him].” (2 Thess. 3:11) Or he might be one who schemes to take material advantage of others or indulges in entertainment that is clearly improper. The disorderly conduct is serious enough to reflect badly on the congregation, and it has the potential to spread to other Christians."
I keep advising you to research first before you reply.

So what do you suggest about the topic of discussion since that's what brought us here?

tctrills:
Oga, I don't go about questioning people's beliefs. I discuss topics with people.

Good!
So i don't have to answer whatever questions you ask about my faith, shey?
Thanks very much!

tctrills:
So far, you have tried but you keep making the JW message look so disorganized and dishonest so let's give another person a chance.

Your PERSONAL opinion!
But then you've not gotten the liver to question the guy about his beliefs nah?
Or you now lack the courage to attack his faith in 1914 and other teachings of JWs?
Go ahead and question him if you think we don't have the same line of thought.
I know he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses but he's just carried away with emotions that's why he felt we are helping you guys to rain insults on the organization.
For your information what he's suggesting is that no JW should respond to you guys if you don't have the courage to ask JWs in your neighbourhood and i'm beginning to see how true that is because from the moment you guys have seen him you have all become so weak instead of questioning his faith in the works of the Governing Body as you've been doing since on this forum.
The truth remains that all religionists have their beliefs so people like you feel they're just being stupid but when you see JWs confidently airing our beliefs you feel so threatened.
Prove me wrong by questioning his faith in the works of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do have a lovely weekend!

YourGFsnatcher:
You are right.
I kept all the Gnostic beliefs aside and see if it's worth it or just a sham

FAITH is the assured expectation of things we hoped for the evident demonstration of reality though not seen! Hebrews 11:1

When people say the Bible is full of myth they surely has a point.
WHY?
Because most of the events and miracles recorded can't be experimented so they feel since there's no way to test and see what they read in the Bible it's not real.
Then some embraced evolution and they are working at it with all seriousness to assure themselves that it's worth BELIEVING than the Bible but what they failed to realize is that both the Bible and evolution needs the same thing: a measure of faith
Because unlike the Bible that was written by people we don't know in person evolution is just the ideas of people who wants to create something to negate what they found difficult to BELIEVE in the Bible yet they were never present to see how evolution occurred so they just have to TRUST their concept the same way the believer trust the Bible.

Now this is what gives the Bible believer an edge: what we found in the Bible about the future times are happening accurately as foretold while the evolutionist only talks about the past that he never witnessed!