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HarshBitterTrut:
Jesus wasn't without strategy he was betrayed.

So Jesus who dispossessed powerful spirits, whose word killed a tree, stopped the waves of the sea was betrayed and caught like a helpless mortal shey?

Do you think it's betrayal that rendered him powerless?

Well for your information his archangel voice rendered all those who came to arrest him lifeless {John 18:6} but when he remembered that he supposed to surrender he woke them up again with another voice! 18:7-8

So don't think it's the betrayal that rendered him powerless rather it's the instruction he gave us to which he himself must comply!

preciousee17:
Shh...
Christians should never be described as the most powerful in today's political/economic affairs

This is very correct because according to Jesus his disciples are no part of the world {John 17:14} so politically his disciples are dead as they have no part to play in the political affairs of this world. Romans 6:11
WHY?
Their own government is coming to destroy all the existing governments today {Daniel 2:44} that's why they are praying for the Kingdom of their God to come {Matthew 6:10} because it's then righteousness that they treasure will be here {2Peter 3:13} but as for now the evil one is in charge of the world's affairs! 1John 5:19

cococandy:
I’m not trying to make a point. I am making a point.
White Christian nationalists are just as terroristic as other terrorists.

“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves" Matthew 10:16

“But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you" Luke 6:27-28

Do you think those TERRORIZING others are REAL followers of the man who said the above?

EnvyandHate:
Then you are not thinking strategy but rushing into slaughter. Be wise as serpents or be slaughtered like lambs.

Of course that's what led to the death of the founder of our group (Jesus) so we are ready to lay down our lives:

"Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves. Be on your guard against men, for they will hand you over to local courts and they will scourge you in their synagogues. And you will be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them and the nations. However, when they hand you over, do not become anxious about how or what you are to speak, for what you are to speak will be given you in that hour; for the ones speaking are not just you, but it is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you. Further, brother will hand brother over to death, and a father his child, and children will rise up against parents and will have them put to death. And you will be hated by all people on account of my name, but the one who has endured to the end will be saved". Matthew 10:16-22

We are not scared of those who can kill the body but can't kill the soul! Matthew 10:28

Christian means someone whose thoughts and actions can't be determined by things seen because the man called Christ never allowed what people think, say or does affect his judgment {Isaiah 11:3} so unlike imperfect humans whose line of action could be predicted through what is visible Christ judge according to what is found in the heart!

So his disciples (Christians) can't be compelled to act negatively to what their leader taught them:

“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves" Matthew 10:16

“But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you" Luke 6:27-28

CHRISTIANS have a constitution and it's from the founder of the group {Matthew 28:20} whoever goes contrary to this construction will be condemned by their leader as a worker of LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:21-23

EnvyandHate:
We have to agree with sometimes on somethings with our enemies in order to reach a higher understanding. There are dynamics at play, a push and pull, a contest of sorts and those who adapt are usually the winners.

There is no such between light and darkness!

Tekuzukite:
There have been several discussions on this. Some believe Jezebel was a witch while others feel Elijah as just too tired to confront her.

I feel Elijah was actually afraid. When God asked him why he was "running", he said he was the only prophet left and others had been killed. Maybe he felt God might not save him based on past prophets that Jezebel must have killled.

What do you think?

You've said it all!

The shrewd one sees the danger and conceals himself, But the inexperienced keep right on going and suffer the consequences. Proverbs 22:3

Emusan:
I never said HE IS THE SAME AS HIS FATHER, or do I?

Case closed!
Jehovah's Witnesses worship only the father who is God and father of Jesus as well as our God and father:

Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

EnvyandHate:
There are just two religions the religion of God versus the religion of Lucifer.
Politics is just a vehicle of expression for religious beliefs.
The word belief means article Be which means exist added with leive or Leif which means love. Belief in Christ means to love Him which means we are obedient. Men in cults or pagan religion love their deities, they believe in them and what they represent so they like Christians try to forward their ideas through politics.

In false religion there is no room for honesty because Satan who is the founder is dishonest but in true religion honesty is our watchword our God has everlasting blessings awaiting his worshipers while Satan's agents in politics are on their own they can die in the race and there is nothing for them afterwards!

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max
you very disturbed, of course.
quote MaxinDHouse
Stupid idiot
Mumu
Oya
Ọmọ
end quote
you gods people love your sewer mouths, don't you,
almost as much as you love your lies:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Guy stop lying!
If you don't belong to any church then you're not a member of Christendom!

EnvyandHate:
Right now your new president is promoting religion. France out of Africa is really means Jesus out of Africa. The Coup is secretly supported by Freemasonry Illuminati in Africa and in France.

No politician can support true religion because we are preaching against them!

Emusan:
So far so good you haven't been able to point out just single thing Jesus created.

This is John 5:30 "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me." - NWT



The above shows this is not about creation but what Jesus did while on Earth. Jesus wasn't doing any judgement in Heaven.

Your own PERSONAL opinion, he did not specify whether heaven or earth he can't do a single thing without orders from his father {John 5:30} otherwise all your quotations that has to do with him must be here on earth himself and his father are one {John 10:30} means he has the same line of thought with his heavenly father not that he is the same as his father! John 17:22

johnw74:
i agree with some things Christians say here, and i don't agree with some things,

Stupid idiot!

Just as Traditionalists, Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus agree and disagree on religious topics.
So what makes you guys Christians that are supposed to have the same line of thought on what has to do with FAITH in God? John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

EnvyandHate:
MaxInDHouse
There will always be politics or rather people in charge.

NO!
God promised to DESTROY all politicians:

“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever" Daniel 2:44

So the end of POLITICS is at hand because that is the one and only problem of mankind!

johnw74:
i don't belong to any of those orgs. you mentioned, confused one:

So who are the CHRISTIANS you're defending on Nairaland?
Can you see who is a LIAR now?

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

johnw74:
you keep saying how you are all of the one line of thought, oh most dum one

Mumu!

Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the earth are all of one line of thought regarding you who is not even known outside Nairaland or how to practice what Jesus taught?

johnw74:
truly confused one, all of Christianity couldn't be likened to the garbage you said,

Deeperlife, RCCG, Winners Chapel, MFM, Chosen, Apostolic Church, Methodist, Catholics, Anglican, Celestial, Cherubim and Seraphim, Foursquare, C.A.C., Synagogues, Christ Embassy and so on all are contradicting themselves yet they're claiming they belong to just one teacher "Jesus"

Oya point out one that's truly practicing what Jesus taught and how it's applicable in our society today!

johnw74:
u said that u can defeat 6 armed military combatants single handed
u said i am a pastor of a church
u said that i am oloodegbu
u said that i am emusan

So all the Jehovah's Witnesses on this planet are saying this or it's just argument between two persons: you and i?

Ọmọ you be confirmed mumu!

If you truly want to talk about the LIES of a religion it should be what all the members are teaching that's not yielding positive results in any society not your argument with just one member!

johnw74:
lost false jw mad max
yes, and my previous post shows that, the one lying is you:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The churches of Christendom could be likened to five individuals dressed the same way standing on the bridge at Oṣòdì all saying they know the way to Ìjẹ̀bú-Òde.
The first one said people should enter the bus going towards Yábà to Òyìngbò, the next said it's the bus going towards Àpápá, another said when people get to mile 2 they should face Badagry, another said they should face Orílé, still the fifth said people should face Abúlé-Ẹ̀gbá all these people dressed the same way and talking about how to get to Ìjẹ̀bú-Òde.

Jehovah's Witnesses could be likened to one man whose dress is different he holds a map in his hand to show people the direction to Ìjẹ̀bú-Òde in the map and saying all the five are wrong. So the five teamed up to criticize him but instead of them to use the map they're furiously accusing him.

You can't quote any scripture to back up what your religion is practicing as the authentic way of going about Christianity, Jehovah's Witnesses are using the Bible to teach people what they need to do as disciples of Christ and what will be the result in the society.

There are thousands of different religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines, you can't point out a single sect and explain how their activities is in line with what the disciples of Christ were doing in the first century yet JWs who are doing it you say they are devils.

Ọmọ you can continue deceiving yourself at least any right thinking human should know what to do after reading our conversation today!

johnw74:
i don't chat with you satan's mob,
i mainly just show a very few of some of your very many lies

I'm here for you today!

So mention the LIES that Jehovah's Witnesses are saying because if you and i disagree on doctrines it means one of us is lying and to cut the long story short present two out of all the sects you're referring to as "Christians" who are in AGREEMENT regarding doctrine!

johnw74:
quote where i post scriptures out of context, u come back with that now, you hear:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Please what is the essence of the scripture you quoted above?

Satan is a killer and he doesn't stand firm in the truth.
We are talking about the ACTIVITIES of Christ's true disciples that will help onlookers to IDENTIFY them as a group in the society! Matthew 5:14-16
Let's analyze your favourite scripture that you often quote!
Jesus was talking to Pharisees and Sadducees in the first century Jewish community, these two sects are working together as the Jewish high court, they are politicians who KILLS anyone opposing their position as rulers {John 11:48, 53} and since they DON'T HAVE THE TRUTH they're confused about doctrines {Act 23:7-8} that's why it's fitting to say they're of their father the Devil as KILLERS and LIARS.

So how do you apply that verse to the conversation we're having now regarding the IDENTITY of the group that's practicing what Jesus taught?

johnw74:
eph 2:8-9

By this undeserved kindness you have been saved through faith, and this is not of your own doing; rather, it is God’s gift. No, it is not a result of works, so that no one should have grounds for boasting.

Each member of Jehovah's Witnesses is playing his role in the disciple making WORK assigned to us globally, we are preaching and teaching in our neighbourhood just as Christ Jesus commanded us {Matthew 28:19-20} if i preach to someone i must also go back to visit the person to encourage him or her so as to apply what Jesus taught us {Act 15:36} but what if there is no means of seeing him again perhaps he moved out of the territory where i preached to him? Then another Jehovah's Witnesses will find him because he will hear the same thing i told him from my brothers anywhere he goes {John 17:22} that's what will help him to continue learning from the JWs in his new destination so i planted and my brother in another place water {1Corinthians 3:6} but both of us are doing the same work since it's just to make disciple for Christ.
So what Paul is saying here is that neither i nor the other JW brother should boast that it's him that converted the new disciple rather it's God who made the seed grow! 1Corinthians 3:7

That's the practical application of what you just quoted but regarding the WORKS of FAITH you need to present a group whose activities is performing the same way i just explained and the outcome of their doctrines.
That's what i'm asking you if you can't do that then it means you're just deceiving yourself you don't know the job given to the disciples of Christ. James 2:18-26

johnw47:
jw's spend much of your time talking about yourselves while we Christians talk abou Christ.

You need to understand what happened in the first century!
There were several sects claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham Isaac Jacob and Moses in the Jewish community, all quoting Moses {John 9:28} when Jesus came he was also quoting the laws Moses gave the Israelites! Luke 18:20
So why did the Jews hate him?
Well he was teaching people the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what is written in the Mosaic laws {Matthew 19:3-9} that is what makes the difference!

All of you are claiming believers in Christ by honouring Jesus with your lips but when it comes to practical applications of what he taught each of you choose a teacher that suit you {Matthew 15:7-8} that's why you can't present any group that's practicing what Jesus commanded rather you're feeling bitter that JWs are talking about the practical applications that's yielding positive results in their midst!

I have been asking you for almost three days now to point out what Jesus taught and the group that's practicing it among the numerous sects you're referring to as "CHRISTIANS" but you're just quoting scriptures out of context.
We all know that there are thousands of sects claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines and their members aren't in agreement so which of them is actually practicing Christianity?

That's what makes Jehovah's Witnesses stand out as we can present our group and what we have been achieving with what Jesus taught! Matthew 5:14-16

EnvyandHate:
Religious politics. The Elites have all the wealth they put people into office who they control through secret societies rooted in pagan beliefs.

Politics is as old as humanity it started right in the garden of Eden when the first human couple rebelled against God's sovereignty so instead of abiding by the standard God set the first human couple wanted to set their own in order to rule as demigods over anyone born after them and since they're the first whatever rule they set will be the order of the day.
They were selfish and that's how politics started ever since then humans have been setting standards that will favour themselves but at the detriment of others around them and forcing it on their neighbours! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9
To be a politician you will need the support of other humans around you to fight opposers, that's why politicians device various means to woo supporters.
This are the means politicians have been using for centuries:
Eloquence, Motivation Speeches, Beauty, Riches, Witchcraft, Racism, Weapons (whoever discovers a more deadly tool gains power) and the last but not the least False Religion.
All these tactics have become obsolete today due to intermarriage that's why brainwashing through false religion remains the most powerful tool in the hands of politicians.
It was first introduced by a Babylonian King named Nebuchadnezzar {Daniel 3:1-5} this man wanted to use false religion to gain the support of all the people around him so that his kingdom will remain strong that's what other politicians after him turned to National Anthem today. But before you can make millions of people support your kingdom (government) you must first woo them that's why the Roman Emperors stick to Catholicism not Christianity. They knew that with the wave of this new religion brainwashing of the common man will be easy but then what about the pioneers of the religion who were teaching the people how to love (not hate) their enemies as the founder taught them! Luke 6:27-28
That's why they killed all the apostles of Christ in order to establish another religion that will favour the politics of Rome: Roman Catholic Church!
So don't think RELIGION is the problem rather it's POLITICS because if each person just wake up to worship the deity of his or her choice without thinking of how to force their rules on those around them {Matthew 10:16} their can never be killing in the name of RELIGION but with false religion many are carried away into killing and getting killed for the selfish ambitions of POLITICIANS!

MiddleDimension:
Faith is associated with a warlord, Abraham; amd your biggest brother in the lord, Paul, is a bounty hunter! How about that?

Back in the days of Abraham thieves go about their activities unchecked so the only way out is to fight for what belongs to you, Abraham fought to protect what he had not going to steal from others and mind you that's not the unique quality God found in Abraham rather it was his love for pure worship that draws God's attention to him.
Paul was a Jew in the first century and one of the Pharisees fighting for their nation until Jesus met him on his way to Damascus, he became my brother in the faith not when he was hunting but as a selfless preacher and teacher of God's word.

EnvyandHate:
Why do think it's so? I would love to see your explanation for all this. Really I would.

Whatever makes you feel better is OK by me but i'm 100% sure that POLITICS is the problem not RELIGION!

Dtruthspeaker:
Only in reference to you statement "Are you sure this man himself is not a deceiver?"

Your comment below is in harmony with that!

Dtruthspeaker:
Catholic church tell lies and methodist pastors are adulterous wife beating drunkards and then i read that "behold, false prophets shall rise up".
So the bible is my Pastor and my Church and i do not invite you to my church and to my pastor.

EnvyandHate:
Yes religion is the key reason behind all the lying, deception and cover ups.

OK!

dazzlingd:
Among the billions of blacks that have existed till date, no single one is worthy to be called a saint?

There's no need asking you can start preaching about the black saint you know and the qualities you want others to emulate from your black saint!

Dtruthspeaker:
In a nutshell, the only Person I trust and believe is God and the bible. All others are liars.

That means you're in support of what i said nah!

Emusan:
Keep dodging them
Is Power of God and the Wisdom of God a person? Point out ONE THING Jesus created
That makes Him the Creator
because He Created those Children of God including you

The innovation is not his own instructions is from his father: the Grand Creator! John 5:30

Emusan:
Smile.... that's not the point.
The points are:
1. Jesus is the Creator so he can never be Angel.

Firstborn {Colossians 1:15} worked with his father as craftsman when creating other things {Proverbs 8:30} he can't be separated from other children of God who are spirit creatures: Angels!