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Jokerman:
1. The book of Daniel called Michael, "one of the chief princes i.e one of the arch angels. He is not the only archangel or neither is he the only "Chief princes"
Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.... However Jesus is the unique son of God. He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Princes according to the Bible means the first set of angels having authority over others so Satan was one of them that's why he could convince those under his control to join him in rebellion against God's sovereignty.
For your information he (Satan) is the ruler of this world since the fall of man in Eden {2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} so he was the one referred to as the Prince of Persia because at that time Persia was then the world power {John 14:30} but there is only one Archangel and that's Michael the only creature God made directly!

Jokerman:
2.Jesus Is Not an Angel
In Hebrews 1–3, the author sets out to demonstrate that Jesus is superior to the prophets, angels, and Moses. We’re told Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God (1:1–2), the Creator of the world (1:2), and the exact imprint of God’s nature (1:3). After explicitly stating He is “much superior to angels,” the author of Hebrews writes, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you‘?”
The obvious answer to this hypothetical question is that God never said that to any angel. Rather, in Mark 1:11, God says to Jesus, “You are my beloved Son; with You I am well pleased.”

All angels are God's sons including Jesus!
The highlighted was directed to Christians in the Jewish community where calling on names of angels during prayer has become the norm so Paul is telling the Jewish Christians that it's wrong because God never introduced any angel to them so they shouldn't use any angels name during prayers except the name given which is "Jesus" Philippians 2:10

Jokerman:
In verse 6, we are told the angels worship Jesus. How could a created being receive worship? A created being cannot receive worship. In fact, when the apostle John fell down at an angel’s feet to worship him, the angel said, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God” (Rev. 19:10).

The highlighted is another problem in translation!
The Hebrew text rendered "WORSHIP" in your translation simply means "OBEISANCE" God commanded all creatures both in heaven and earth to OBEY not worship Jesus because worship belongs only to one person: the Almighty God and Jesus is not that person!

Jokerman:
Finally, verses 8–12 make it abundantly clear why the angels worship Jesus. It’s because He is Jehovah-God. In light of Hebrews 1, Jesus cannot be a mere created angel—even the archangel Michael.
Please read the Bible. Michael is the protector of Israel, who is protecting other countries or even the gentiles?? Oh don't you know it's only Jesus that had the power to change the whole world heading for doom.

Michael is protecting all believers of the true God that's why he followed those two angels to verify if there's no believers in Sodom and Gomorrah. Note that the angel speaking with Abraham is only representing God because no one has ever seen the true God at any point in time so anytime the Israelites see someone standing before them as Jehovah it's Michael the angel representing God! Exodus 13:21 compare to Exodus 14:19

So whenever anyone is found in any nation with a clean conscience Archangel Michael is the same person who is taking note of their deeds for recommendations even though such ones don't have the knowledge of God! Romans 1:20

That's why he's called the one standing for the salvation of God's people it doesn't mean the Israelites only but faithful people throughout the earth!

Jokerman:
Archangel Michael is "one of" the chief princes.. according to the Bible, that means there are other chief princes like him...
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).
Jesus is the unique son of God... Nothing like "one of"....
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18).
2. Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings. He is one of the angels, he is not the Creator of the angels as the Bible says that Jesus is.
for by Him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers - all things have been created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16).

OK, now you know that verse wasn't referring to Jesus shey?

All what you're quoting was said about Jesus and the Archangel Michael.

The Archangel is one of God's spirit sons and that's what the Bible called Jesus.

The Archangel is the most respected spirit son of God and that's what the Bible called Jesus.

The Archangel is a prince among the spirit sons of God and that's what the Bible called Jesus.

The Archangel apparently must be the only creature God made directly while all other things were created through him! Proverbs 8:22-30

So just as Adam is God's first born son among humans {Luke 3:38} who is responsible for all other human children of God {Genesis 1:28} that's exactly what God did with the Archangel Michael (Jesus) who is responsible for all other things created by God through him. Colossians 1:15-16

Don't forget that all humans believe God created us but through whom? Adam
The same applies to all other things created through the Archangel Michael (Jesus)

No wonder apostle Paul under inspiration equate Jesus with Adam:

“The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit! 1Corinthians 15:45

Ọmọ we don't force anyone to agree with us all we say is "If you know Jesus better than we do, go and do the works he assigned his disciples and let the world see the performance of your organization as Jesus foretold" Act 1:8

So we know that the one leading us into the achievements we're making globally today is none other than the Archangel Michael (Jesus) who will resurrect the dead with just one call! John 11:25; Daniel 12:1-2; 1Thessalonians 4:16

Jokerman:
Who did Archangel Michael call "The Lord" when he rebuked Satan over the body of Moses?

According to the Bible there were two persons referred to as Lord so kindly pick up your Bible and read Psalms 110:1

If you are using the KJV or other versions this is what you will find:

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.Psalms 110:1

So great confusion has set in here because David is apparently talking about two persons.

But let's see how the New World Translation rendered that same verse:

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1

So to answer your question let me quote Jude verse 9 using the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures:

But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.” Jude :9

The problem caused by translators is removal of God's divine name and replacing it with the title "LORD" so when most readers get to such verses they concluded it's all about Jesus rather God's personal name supposed to be there just as Jesus used it extensively during his earthly ministry! John 17:6, 26 compare to Matthew 6:9

May you have PEACE!

Jokerman:
Did the Bible tell us that?
All we know is that... "He's the word of God, and He's God with us"

We don't PREACH it from house to house but that's his REAL IDENTITY so it's only revealed to interested ones who humbly request a home Bible study with us.
The "word of God" simply means the angel who always convey messages from Almighty God to all the other angels that's why one of the fallen angels said to Jesus:

“What have we to do with you, Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ? Did you come to destroy us? I know exactly who you are, the Holy One of God!” Mark 1:24

Back in heaven when all the angels were with God Jesus is the purest among them that God used to pass information to all the others so all of them knew him as the Holy (Pure) one of God.

That leaves us with another question!

Who could be the Holy one among all other heavenly sons of God apart from the one called the Archangel? Jude :9

Well there are many more scriptural backings pointing to Jesus as the Archangel Michael but if you're not interested in that we will not force it into your head after all there are thousands of sects claiming Christians so if you can find a better performing group than us go and worship with them but in our midst we know the one who has always been standing for the salvation of God's people! Daniel 12:1

cornelboy:
I've been around sir but not active on Nairaland.
Hope you're fairing well sir?
I have your contact. I will message you.
I'm still studying. And I attend weekly meetings on zoom

Don't you have any closeby meeting where you can attend imperson with brothers and sisters?

I'm really worried with the highlighted please find a way to start attending imperson meetings we are already living in the last of the last days and everything is happening really fast these days so we don't know what next will happen but we're sure God's kingdom is closer than ever before!

So my brother there are lots of new info we're getting now that only those attending imperson meetings are getting therefore make sure you have someone (trusted) closeby who will always update you on the latest info after the imperson meetings.

With love from your brother Maximus!

paxonel:
encouraging everyone to have their own interpretation of a particular verse depending on what message the so called holy spirit intentend to pass across at a time, tantamount to confusion . And confusion was never the will of God in Christianity. You will end up ignoring the actual message the verse is trying to portray

Jesus actually said:

“I have spoken these things to you while I am still with you. But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you". John 14:25-26

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come" John 16:12-13

Most arrogant people feel Jesus was addressing all readers of the Bible here but if so then how come he commanded his disciples to go and TEACH others what he commanded? Matthew 28:20

The Ethiopian Eunuch was READING the Bible yet he needed someone to guide him into the UNDERSTANDING of what he was reading! Act 8:31

A baptized Jew named Apollos knew the scriptures very well but other Jews had to TEACH him before he could gain accurate knowledge of the scriptures! Act 18:24-26

Today everyone just want to interpret God's word according to the inclination of their hearts {Jeremiah 17:9} that's why confusion is everywhere as groups claiming Christians are contradicting themselves and worshipers have to cross from one church to another when they're tired of where they worship yet they'll claim it's the same God they're worshiping even though the doctrines are conflicting.
Jesus referred to all these people as workers of lawlessness (iniquity) Matthew 7:21-23

Real Christians humbly submit to the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} as they agree on what they concluded after studying God's word together {John 17:17} so they're united as one in faith {John 17:22} adhering to the teaching of those taking the lead among them! Act 2:42 compare to Hebrews 13:7, 17

CodeTemplar:
Genesis 4:14 - Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters {Genesis 5:4} back then people used to live longer so before 200 years after Cain's birth the descendants of Adam could increased to thousands as his children, grandchildren and great grandchildren keep bearing children that's what Cain meant that if any of these ones could find him they may avenge the death of Abel.

CodeTemplar:
Also who did the sons of Noah marry?

People in Noah's generation got confused due to unsuspected aliens among them, these aliens were good looking but nobody knew where they came from yet young ladies were carried away with their physic and intelligence so instead of going for proper marriage arrangements they were throwing themselves at these extraordinary handsome young men, for your information that's how fornication began. But Noah's sons married among young ladies within their community so their wives were supporting them in everything they do.

CodeTemplar:
God definitely formed more than Adam and Eve.

NO! Only Adam and Eve were created that's why death could spread to all men through Adam {Romans 5:12} had it been there are other humans created apart from Adam and Eve death couldn't spread to such ones since they're not Adam's descendants.

May you have PEACE!

MessiahOfAfrica:
The Pity is That Many Nigerians are Still Blind To The Fact That They Should Be Heavily Invested in The AGRICULTURE OF THEIR FAMILY.

The group name "CHRISTIANS" became a cause for stumbling after the death of Jesus' apostles greedy politicians find their ways into the churches and began promoting politics among the congregations.
When talking about WESTERN EDUCATION most people are blinded to the fact that what the Europeans brought was a system of slavery that will last as long as African are still depending on them for setting standards.
Well unlike false religions JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES taught members not to rely solely on WESTERN EDUCATION but to believe in what they can do with their own hands:

Let the one who steals steal no more; rather, let him do hard work, doing good work with his hands, so that he may have something to share with someone in need! Ephesians 4:28

With the above quote Jehovah's Witnesses globally were admonished to go into farming, crafts and trade but most people started criticizing us that we have made university education crime whereas what God's people were told is that there must be a tangible reason for a Christian to go to the university it should be either to gain knowledge about how to use technology to promote the handwork your parents passed on to you if not then forget it it's all a means of scamming others who are working hard.

As i've told you before the true God began calling His own worshipers by another group name after the borrowed name "CHRISTIANS" became a curse by politicians who will be destroyed when God's kingdom comes {Daniel 2:44} from 1931 the true God began calling Him worshipers JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

You will leave behind a name that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death, But his own servants he will call by another name! Isaiah 65:15

The name God's people used as a curse in the first century is "CHRISTIANS" they adopted it even though it was meant to vilify them back then, God has set a time when He will destroy all politicians and greedy humans {Daniel 2:44} but His own worshipers He started calling by another group name: Jehovah's Witnesses!

So no matter the accusations raised against false religions today God's own people has stand out as if we are not imperfect humans like all others. YES! This they've all noticed that is why we are like a house built on the mountain top which cannot be hidden! Matthew 5:14-16

Good morning!

cornelboy:
@Hebrew 1:4
Jesus even obtained an excellent name than the angel. He obtained it.
Is that someone you even call God or equal to God almighty 🤦🏾‍♂️

My brother Cornelboy!

Where have you been all these while?

I changed my mobile device the former one had technical issues so i lost most contacts otherwise i would have called you, please send me a message tomorrow if you still have my contact but if not then DM me through my Gmail!

Davoneskay:
I will give you a comprehensive answer tomorrow on this sir. I promise.

Remember to incorporate the followings in your response!

Jesus said false prophets will mislead many {Matthew 24:11} he himself told us how to IDENTIFY the endtime false prophets:

“Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men" Matthew 7:15-20

From the above statement Jesus is telling us that the work he assigned to his disciples will be the priority of true prophets and those following them who are the fruits they produced {John 15:5} so any organization of worshipers who are not globally known for the work Jesus commissioned are not his (REAL) disciples {Act 1:8} hence those gathering such people aren't producing what is expected as fruit of Christianity therefore such gathering is headed by false prophets! Matthew 24:11

12tribesww:
To understand 'the all nations' in that verse you must read precept upon precept, so the precept for the all nations is

1. Duet 4:27
2. Duet 28: 64
3. Ezekiel 20:23

Israel was scattered amongst all NATIONS of the earth even till date...because of the prophecy in Deuteronomy, hence the disciples going into all nations to speak to their people only. I understand where your question is coming from.

If that's the case then you need to know the meaning of that name "ISRAEL" Genesis 32:28

That name was given to a man who struggled with God and won, note that the struggling wasn't physical but spiritual in the sense that Jacob was pleading (begging) that angel for blessings so in actual fact he was praying to God while the angel representing God was with him! Hosea 12:4

So no matter the nation you may come from as long as you're the type who is a prisoner of conscience always seeking God's approval even though your ancestors worship other Gods the true God recognizes you as an Israelite {Romans 1:20} therefore when Jesus ordered his disciples to go in search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} he wasn't talking about natural Israelites rather it's people who are conscious of their spiritual needs {Matthew 5:3} such people just want to live a life that's pleasing to God and with that they earned the trust of their fellow men just as Jacob (an imperfect man) earned God's approval! Genesis 32:28

First of all find the adequate definition of GOD!

Instead of presenting another contradicting teachings that's not producing anything worthwhile why not present the organization that's practicing what you believe so we can see how well they're doing regarding Jesus' command to preach and teach globally!

Sand2022:
These and more areas are aspects I think they are missing the mark.

We are OK with our beliefs as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers let all others form their peaceful organizations like Jehovah's Witnesses and see the earth become a Paradise!

Davoneskay:
I am opened to questions and corrections. Thanks.

I have just one question for you!

When God poured His Holy Spirit on disciples of Christ they all had the same line of thought regarding faith in Christ and the scriptures {John 17:17, 22} so that they were preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood. Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8

Please present the organization of zealous preachers and industrious teachers that the Holy Spirit is working with today just as it was working with Jesus' disciples as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!

Sand2022:
You judge people based on their own understanding of scripture. You call them false, while you also have false teachings among you. Jesus never taught falsehood all his life. Don't compare yourself with jesus. And what you said above was never said by Jesus.

OK but that's our own understanding and it's none negotiable.
Thanks!

Sand2022:
Its true that JWs themselves do this same judging of others, but it's not healthy. There are sincere people in every religion.

Judging of others is done by people who kill their neighbours so Jesus and his disciples don't judge anyone rather what they often tell people that sound like judgment is this:

We have our God and it's only among us that you can adequately worship our God!

That's exactly what made the Jews hate Jesus, his disciples and Jehovah's Witnesses today!

Greatzeus:
I intentionally didn't because I know it's not necessary. Since you joined this forum you have been a proponent of no hell fire,as it's your right. All the members who have provided all the Bible scriptures to you all these years,what did they achieve? Did it change your mind? No.
Did I make the above statement to change anybody's mind? NO. I don't have time for you people's rubbish online banter,if you like say Jesus is your houseboy, I won't bash or reply you, because I don't give a f*CK .

Thanks!
So in a nutshell there is nowhere in the Bible that says souls will go to heaven or hell after death. But i have two Bible verse that talks about what happens to souls:

[1] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:4[/b] Old Testament

[2] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Matthew 10:28[/b] New Testament

Both Ezekiel and Jesus Christ agreed that souls don't go to heaven rather souls follow the body into the grave at death.

May you have PEACE!

Greatzeus:
Your Spirit goes back to God
Your soul goes to heaven or hell depending on your works
Your body, a radio active remain is eating up by worms and decays until it turns to soil completely.

Can you back the highlighted with the Bible?

Jesus only foretold the destruction of that temple and explained to his Jewish disciples (who were so proud of their temple) that the destruction will Mark the end of Jewish system of worship!

So by the time Roman Soldiers surrounded the city many Jews were trapped inside Jerusalem with no means of escape then there was an ongoing war between Rome and another nation so more soldiers were needed that's why those surrounding Jerusalem were withdrawn to go and join their armies at the battle front, this gave way for Jesus' disciples to escape because they remembered vividly what he told them about 37 years before then:

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled" Luke 21:20-24

According to secular history Jerusalem was overthrown and the second temple destroyed just as Jesus of Nazareth foretold his disciples escaped leaving everything they can't carry away from that city behind while unbelieving Jews remained thinking it was a miracle from their God only for the Roman armies to return from the battle where most of their men has fallen but this time around they were bitter than ever, they no longer surrounded the city but entered forcefully to kill millions of Jews in Jerusalem.

Thanks to the fine shepherd Jesus of Nazareth who forewarned his disciples about the impending destruction of Jerusalem and the end of Jewish system of things!

God's laws are PERFECT {Psalms 19:7} but the humans given those laws are IMPERFECT that's why God didn't treat His worshipers harshly in accord with their incessant blunders {Psalms103:12-14} He sent Jesus to come and show us how to fulfil the laws from the level of IMPERFECT man. Matthew 5:17
So all those laws given to Israelites will take full effect when God's kingdom comes but humans who aren't perfect can't just meet up with that requirement now that's why Jesus put on human form to teach us how imperfect humans can do the best we can to please our heavenly father. John 13:15; 1Peter 2:21
In God's kingdom death will be no more {Revelations 21:3-5} but anyone not fully complying with God's laws will die untimely {Isaiah 65:20} that's why Jesus will train all imperfect humans for a thousand years for us to become PERFECT {Revelations 20:3-4} at that time whoever ignore Jesus' orders can't blame Satan anymore because by then Jesus has arrested Satan and rendered him inactive throughout the thousand years so whatever anyone does regarding Jesus' orders at that time will serve as basis for judgment against them! Revelations 20:11-13
The 144,000 BORN AGAIN Christians would have been taken away to heaven so they have no reason to fear since they've been certified as chosen ones for living the rest of their lives to suffer and die for the love of the Christ {Revelations 12:11} but the rest of mankind even though living are considered as dead {Revelations 20:5 compare to Matthew 8:22} until after Satan has been destroyed completely that's the time they can have everlasting life without hindrances from external forces!

So God's law is perfect but imperfect humans need a thousand years training undisturbed under Christ's headship to become PERFECT in order to live by God's laws!

TheMadame:
Thanks.
This sounds reasonable and self explanatory.

That's not mine but the understanding of all members of Jehovah's Witnesses globally.
I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

TheMadame:
Good day all members. I wonder what happens to human beings after death?
Is the judgment of God Almighty immediate? Do the dead depart to heaven or hell immediately or do the dead remain in the grave till an appointed date for judgment.
Please I would love response from more enlightened people. Thanks in advance.

We came and discovered that humans do grow old, become weak and sickly then die so that's the situation we found ourselves both the good, bad and ugly. We also discovered that people all around the world believe in the existence of God/Gods and through the mouth of the adherents of these Gods we have heard so much about the world beyond.
So your question:

What Happens When We (humans) Die?

Should be a matter of concern for all right thinking humans that's why we need to ask the adherents of different Gods what their Gods are saying about the dead.

I became a worshiper of the Abrahamic God after considering what He said about the dead and i will like to share it with you:

The God of Abraham claims He is the Creator of all things only those worshiping Him in line with His instructions are considered as RIGHTEOUS so this is His promises regarding such ones:

"O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes. You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands" Job 14:13-15

The above is what one of those considered as RIGHTEOUS among His worshipers say, this means the God of Abraham has a special day when He will bring back His loyal worshipers to life so that they can live forever on this planet! Psalms 37:9-11; 29

But what about sincere and honest hearted worshipers of other Gods who had no knowledge about the God of Abraham?
Well such ones surely will live a conscientious life but since they're not His worshipers He will also bring them back for living by their God's given conscience! Romans 1:20

Yet many people are WICKED and they don't care about conscience so since they have nothing good at heart He said there's no need bringing them back to life therefore they're gone for good! Psalms 9:17

So all humans that have died are in their graves for now {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} with the exception a limited number who has been chosen for a special assignment!

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2 Timothy 3:1-5
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite

The opening verse foretold the situation that all sincere and honest hearted individuals will experience during the endtime so it means you're one out of millions who are sincere and honest hearted today. But we need to endure till the end! Matthew 24:13

PoliteActivist:
This is exactly what I mean by fudging the Bible. Lying and twisting the obvious, thinking you're fooling anybody. You're only fooling yourself. Neither are you fooling God, He definitely doesn't need twisters and liars!
OK, here are some PURE NUMBERS. Let's see you twist them:

If you're ready to learn all you need is personal Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses but if not there's no problem.
I'm familiar with the material you're using it's atheist's compilation to discredit God's word so through diligent study thorough meditation and fervent prayers i have overcome their shot if you also want spiritual armour to defeat Satan's missiles {Ephesians 6:11-18} it's time to gain knowledge but if you don't then it's OK.

Thanks for your time, may you have PEACE!

PoliteActivist:
This is exactly what I mean by fudging the Bible. Lying and twisting the obvious, thinking you're fooling anybody. You're only fooling yourself. Neither are you fooling God, He definitely doesn't need twisters and liars!
OK, here are some PURE NUMBERS. Let's see you twist them:

If you're ready to learn all you need is personal Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses but if not there's no problem.
I'm familiar with the material you're using it's atheist's compilation to discredit God's word so through diligent study thorough meditation and fervent prayers i have overcome their shot if you also want spiritual armour to defeat Satan's missiles {Ephesians 6:11-18} it's time to gain knowledge but if you don't then it's OK.

Thanks for your time, may you have PEACE!

Aemmyjah:
I just de read your comments with admiration
Na MaxInDHouse for NL
You suppose change am to MAXINDFORUM

The guy said Bible contradicts itself yet he wants to argue, so i told him God's word can't contradict itself because that will lead the readers astray. That's why he angrily picked up the atheist material that i've been used to only to copy and paste what they printed to criticize God's word.
Ọmọ wherever i remember all these things i can't thank you people enough for coming to rescue me from the darkness Satan has put the whole world.
Imagine the powerful missile shot at misinformed churchgoers who are claiming believers to weaken their faith in God's word but Jehovah has promised us that He will give us the tongue of the taught ones so that we can silence all opposers of His word because that's our heritage and as for our righteousness that they're doubting is nothing to worry about because it's from Jehovah Himself! Isaiah 54:17

PoliteActivist:
■ Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
* Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
* Heli (Luke 3:23)

The two accounts aren't talking about the same person, Matthew's account was talking about Mary's father. According to Jewish custom in the first century a man customarily becomes the son of his wife's father that's why Matthew said:
Jacob became father to Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. Matthew 1:16
So he was talking about Mary's biological father who is Joseph's father in-law.
Luke on the other hand is talking about Joseph's ancestral lineage that's why he said:

"When Jesus began his work, he was about 30 years old, being the son, as the opinion was, of Joseph, son of Heʹli" Luke 3:23
So according to the opinion of the people in the community back then Joseph was the biological father of Jesus.
Both of them were descendants of King David from Bethlehem Ephrata! Micah 5:2 compare to Luke 2:4

PoliteActivist:
■ Who killed Saul?
* Saul took his own sword and fell upon it, Thus Saul died, (I Samuel 31:4-6)
* An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)

During battles soldiers do fall but even though a soldier is wounded we must go round to make sure he is completely dead Saul fell on his own sword but that can't kill him it will only leave him brutally wounded and helpless so when the Philistine soldiers are going around to check who is still breathing among the enemies surely they will find the wounded Israelite king and pierce him through to be certain that he's dead completely.
Note that out of all slaughtered Israelite soldiers only Saul and his son Jonathan were carried away by the Philistines:

The next day, when the Phi·lisʹtines came to strip the slain, they found Saul and his three sons fallen on Mount Gil·boʹa. So they cut off his head and stripped off his armor and sent word throughout the land of the Phi·lisʹtines to spread the news in the houses of their idols and among the people! 1Samuel 31:8-9

As for the Amalekite he lied thinking David will be pleased to hear such news that someone has helped him to kill his long time enemy whereas David feared the true God so he will never ever raise his hand against the anointed of Jehovah {1Samuel 24:6} the Amalekite don't know Jehovah neither does he value Jehovah's anointed one that's why David called for his head! 2Samuel 1:15-16

The Amalekites has been enemies of Israelites for centuries before then {Exodus 17:8} God commanded Saul to strike them {1Samuel 15:3} that's why the stupid fool thought he could bring such a news to David a faithful servant of God who cherish loyalty to Jehovah and his anointed ones!

PoliteActivist:
■ Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
* Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
* Heli (Luke 3:23)

The two accounts aren't talking about the same person, Matthew's account was talking about Mary's father. According to Jewish custom in the first century a man customarily becomes the son of his wife's father that's why Matthew said:
Jacob became father to Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. Matthew 1:16
So he was talking about Mary's biological father who is Joseph's father in-law.
Luke on the other hand is talking about Joseph's ancestral lineage that's why he said:

"When Jesus began his work, he was about 30 years old, being the son, as the opinion was, of Joseph, son of Heʹli" Luke 3:23
So according to the opinion of the people in the community back then Joseph was the biological father of Jesus.
Both of them were descendants of King David from Bethlehem Ephrata! Micah 5:2 compare to Luke 2:4

PoliteActivist:
■ Who killed Saul?
* Saul took his own sword and fell upon it, Thus Saul died, (I Samuel 31:4-6)
* An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)

During battles soldiers do fall but even though a soldier is wounded we must go round to make sure he is completely dead Saul fell on his own sword but that can't kill him it will only leave him brutally wounded and helpless so when the Philistine soldiers are going around to check who is still breathing among the enemies surely they will find the wounded Israelite king and pierce him through to be certain that he's dead completely.
Note that out of all slaughtered Israelite soldiers only Saul and his son Jonathan were carried away by the Philistines:

The next day, when the Phi·lisʹtines came to strip the slain, they found Saul and his three sons fallen on Mount Gil·boʹa. So they cut off his head and stripped off his armor and sent word throughout the land of the Phi·lisʹtines to spread the news in the houses of their idols and among the people! 1Samuel 31:8-9

As for the Amalekite he lied thinking David will be pleased to hear such news that someone has helped him to kill his long time enemy whereas David feared the true God so he will never ever raise his hand against the anointed of Jehovah {1Samuel 24:6} the Amalekite don't know Jehovah neither does he value Jehovah's anointed one that's why David called for his head! 2Samuel 1:15-16

The Amalekites has been enemies of Israelites for centuries before then {Exodus 17:8} God commanded Saul to strike them {1Samuel 15:3} that's why the stupid fool thought he could bring such a news to David a faithful servant of God who cherish loyalty to Jehovah and his anointed ones!

Please i'm sorry if my presence on this thread has brought you grief so if you don't want me to comment again i will surely take my leave. Just know that real Christians do help others to build strong faith and trust in the words of our God your God: the Holy Bible!

PoliteActivist:
He's still LYING!!!
Pick any two you wish. And while you're at it, tell us why the two creation stories in Genesis are not contradictory

I have picked one to prove that there is nothing contradicting in the Holy Scriptures so it's your turn to pick the one that interests you most i'm not here to help you unlearn all the gibberish atheists have infused in your brains against God's word!

PoliteActivist:
Wow! What a DISHONEST fellow.
And he thinks that's what God wants!!

OK God wants His words to be disregarded shey?

PoliteActivist:
My friend, just accept that the Lord God Almighty, Father of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, is not synonymous with the Bible, neither is He tantamount to the Bible. His words and wisdom are contained in the Bible, which was compiled by MAN, with all the attendant imperfections and flaws that go with anything man has been involved in!

Keep your opinion to yourself if you can't pick any of your seemingly CONTRADICTIONS they gave you.
You're now scared that just as i cleared the first one others aren't really contradicting as you were told shey?

@PoliteActivist

I'm going to bed so pick just one out of all the seemingly CONTRADICTIONS so i can clear your doubts about God's word: The Holy Bible!