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Christianity Etc › Re: The Signs Of The End Time Biblical Interpretations by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:02pm On Aug 13, 2023*

Davoneskay:
But where is it written in the scripture that we should pay tithe through evangelism?

Are you a worshiper of the God of Abraham?

If so know that TITHING is not cancelled but the system of operations changed from monetary to spending our time in the services Jesus mandated for all his disciples:

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law to pay tithes) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 7:11-12

So the same way monthly tithing in the old covenant is COMPULSORY that's how monthly preaching and teaching is COMPULSORY in the new covenant. Failure to be industrious in the work Jesus commissioned means you're inactive {Matthew 25:24-30} so you have no business with Jesus!

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Are The Church Goers? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:55pm On Aug 13, 2023

Churchgoers are people who only attend religious sessions due to the influence of those around them {Exodus 23:1-2} instead of being preached to {Matthew 10:11-13} and taught what Jesus commanded his disciples {Matthew 28:19-20} so that they can also become active preachers and teachers of God's word like those who taught them {2Timothy 3:14} they're only concerned with selfish cravings as to what they will get now for worshiping the God of their choice! Matthew 6:19-21

Real Christians humbly study God's word to gain accurate knowledge {Romans 10:2-3} because they will be sent to join their fellow believers in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood {Luke 18:22} that is just too much for the churchgoer all he wants to hear is:
"bow towards East, West, North or South and your request will be granted whether it makes sense or not"

Christianity Etc › Re: Praying Silently Or Praying Loudly, Which One Is The Right Way Of Praying? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:35pm On Aug 13, 2023

BabaIbo:
Which of these two ways of praying is the right or better way of praying?
I'm asking this question because of those religious houses that pray on top of their voices, even after mounting loud speakers in the religious house corners.
These acts may be inconvenient to other people. Since, we are praying to our Father in heaven who already know our thoughts before we fork them and sees our hearts, do we need to shout for God to hear us? These are verses on God knowing our thoughts and seeing our hearts:
Luke 16:15a,
Jeremiah 17:10,
Psalm 44:21
Does a child shout at his father for food/wants/needs before he/she gets them?

Let's consider what Jesus of Nazareth said on the matter:

"when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you" Matthew 6:6

Before praying with his 12 apostles for the first time ever Jesus took them to a secret place so that nobody can hear him except those concerned {John 17:8-9} by doing so Jesus laid the example for us to follow.

When praying individually each Christian need to go into his private room where nobody can see nor hear him {Matthew 6:6} but if we are congregated in one place then one person should take the lead while others say "AMEN" at the end of the prayer.

It's pagans who do shout when calling their gods {1Kings 18:25-29} because they're not sure whether anyone is listening but Christians have the assurance that our prayers will be answered if we pray according to his will {
1John 5:14} that's why we (Jehovah's Witnesses) always make sure our prayers is in line with God's will not just carnal in fact due to following Christ's instructions regarding prayer most people have concluded that we don't even pray at all!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:17pm On Aug 13, 2023

cornelboy:
Envy, misinformation or hypocrisy.
Like that Pharisees did in the of Jesus and early church.

The truth is not far fetched, they only criticize Jehovah's Witnesses because we don't acknowledge their pastors as men of our God but the funny thing about them is that they're not even sure of those they're following as they can't agree on which of their so called pastors is really a God sent.
If you ask each of them now to mention the name of their pastors and what their fellow Nairalander Christians have to say about the pastor you will be surprised that they don't have any that's why they're really worried as we know our own leaders and stick to their teachings {Act 2:42; Hebrews 13:7} while they are scattered (confused) in their opinion regarding who should take the lead among them! Luke 11:23

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does Being Born Again Mean I Am Free From Sin And Immunized Against Sinning? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:19pm On Aug 13, 2023

When Christ walked the earth himself and John the baptist preached and taught their Jewish listeners that God's kingdom is closer than ever {Matthew 3:2; 4:17} this means that God's plan to restore sanity on planet earth is about to begin it's actualization. Jews as a nation with whom God made a covenant will be pro-active in the whole process but majority of them were nursing grudges against surrounding nations that has been their perpetual enemies like Samaritans (Northern Israel) and most especially Rome their colonizers. So each Jew must have a total change of viewpoint regarding those they view as neighbours and enemies. Most of them has been baptised by John as a sign of their heartfelt repentance towards God's laws which their ancestors have been breaking over the centuries! Jeremiah 31:31-33

So the question raised is:
Are they going to continue behaving like their faithless ancestors or they will wholeheartedly welcome the wise counsel of the Christ?
That's why they need to be BORN AGAIN in line with the counsel of Christ so that they may become useful in winning over others for the kingdom of God through preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood.
The God of Abraham will then choose among those who have accepted the wise counsel of Christ to become corulers with Christ in Jerusalem.
But majority of the Jews rejected Jesus because he wasn't vengeful as they expected of a Jewish King that will support the killing of their enemies.
That's why the invitation to become part of the corulers with Christ was extended to people of other nations who accepted the wise counsel on the Christ. Matthew 22:1-14
The Jews treated God's servants (sent to them) badly {Matthew 5:11-12} they also schemed the death of Christ {Matthew 27:25} so they lost the privilege of being called God's people as a nation {Matthew 21:43} and their city (Jerusalem) is no longer worthy of being the center for God's kingdom {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why Jesus foretold bad things against Jerusalem and their temple {Matthew 24:1-2 compare to Luke 21:24} this left his disciples really devastated because they believe in Jerusalem. That's why Jesus told them the new plan that instead of Jerusalem they will be taken to another place where they will have to stay and rule over the earth with him:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be" John 14:1-3

But only few Jews embraced Christ so people from other nations will be called to complete the needed number of corulers with Christ {Revelations 14:1} all the 144,000 will be selected among faithful disciples of Christ that is why they are called BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS not that all Christians must be born again rather it's only this limited number that are BORN AGAIN and they're the only people to go to the new center of God's kingdom: Heaven!

litigator:
Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

NO!

litigator:
Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

NO! A BORN AGAIN Christian can loose his part in being one of Christ's corulers.

litigator:
Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

NO! Practicers of sin will loose out completely.

litigator:
And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

Churches of Christendom don't know what being BORN AGAIN really means.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abuse Victim Awarded $40 Million In Jehovah's Witness Sex Assault Case by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:06am On Aug 13, 2023

Janosky:
JW this, JW that ....
Achorladey which other assignment you get for Nairaland? Jehovah's Organisation is on earth bearing Jehovah's name, continue WAILING. WAILING is achorladey decision and responsibility. Ozuo Woke Pro Max, please YOURSELF.

achorladey:
council at Jerusalem Council at Jerusalem Council at Jerusalem
council at Jerusalem is not equal to Jehovah’s organization not equal to watchtower.

When you show the similarities between how God's organization is been GOVERNED in the first century and modern times apostates gets high fever and become helpless in their self imposed arguments.
He wants to criticize God's organization today for OBEDIENCE to the modern day council in US but it's difficult for him to explain why first century Christians should have a council firmly established in Jerusalem and why Christians throughout the world back then were OBEDIENTLY taken orders from them! Act 2:42 compare to Act 15:2 wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:38am On Aug 13, 2023

cornelboy:
You're right Sir.
Do you know those verses that Jesus taught us to pray for enemies and love them? These people don't follow it.
And that was one of concerns before I started studying with the JWs.
Despite Jesus's teachings on praying for our enemies and not hating them, we would pray to God to kill our enemies and do them bad in our church.
I would wonder, would God answer this evil prayers? I knew it wasn't right.
I grew in the CAC church.
It's common in all those pentecostal churches.
But when I found out that JWs don't pray that way, they would never pray against their enemies, I was so happy. They are the only ones following every Christ teachings and doing all God's will back to back.

When i first attend the meetings of Jehovah's Witnesses i was really impressed because they are really following Jesus' order back to back.

So if someone say anything against them back then i only try to figure out if such a person knows how dedicated Jehovah's Witnesses are in doing what Christ commanded my brother it's either envy or misinformation that's worrying them!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Signs Of The End Time Biblical Interpretations by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:24am On Aug 13, 2023

Davoneskay:
I agree to your submission to some extent. I agree that payment of tithes by money or goods was with the old law. But I do not agree that tithing should still be by evangelising. I believe tithing is gone and gone for good. But that we should love the LORD with our all and keep His commandments. We should also evangelise when we can.

Well tithing is our heritage it's a must in the Old Covenant so it's also a must in the New Covenant the only difference is that our brothers in the Old Covenant paid their tithes through material possessions but today it's our monthly contribution in doing the work our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus assigned to us.
So just as no Israelite should forget to pay his or her monthly tithes in the Old Covenant the same applies to our preaching and teaching activities today no matter our condition we can involve in this new system of tithing since it's not monetary.
In the Old Covenant only the rich are noticed because they're able to pay heavily with their material things {Luke 18:21} but in this New system of tithing even the less privileged in the society can be the highest payer!
That's why only Jehovah's Witnesses are active in the work of the Lord globally!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Signs Of The End Time Biblical Interpretations by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:21pm On Aug 12, 2023

The greatest sign of the endtime is here today but it's a pity that arrogant and faithless religionists can't see it!

According to God's word people from all the nations will come under one umbrella that means they will form an organization and their purpose will be to study God's word, there will be a unanimous agreement on what to do after their study of God's word and they will settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making buying selling and usage of weapons from their hearts and vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman forever! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So don't think it's about individuals in different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
NO!
According to Jesus his real disciples will share the same line of thought {John 17:22} they will have love among themselves just as Jesus loves them {John 13:34-35} all others will hate and vilify them because of their faith! {John 15:19} but at the same time their activities will be noticed in all the nations of the earth! Matthew 5:14-16

Where most people got things wrong is thinking that niceness is what Christianity entails but i'm telling you now that's is a lie. Remember the Jewish ruler who came to Jesus to ask questions about kingdom of God?
Jesus knew that this man believe in him but the man failed to accept Jesus' invitation to humbly take his minds off all material possessions and join his disciples who are nothing in the first century Jewish community! Luke 18:18-23

Of course there will be found some bad eggs like Judas Iscariot among Jesus' true disciples but does that means a nice pharisee will see God's kingdom? NO!

So you need to IDENTIFY Jesus' true disciples in your neighbourhood and join them in working for Christ Jesus. The parable of the Master and talents shows that Jesus will surely have disciples who are ready to support the assignment he gave them with everything they had and at the same time there will be some in their midst who will not take his work seriously {Matthew 25:14-30} note that it's the same Master they all belong to and the three of them have accurate knowledge about their Master but the last slave had little ability that's why the Master gave him little assignment to do yet he never did anything worthwhile.

So it's only among Jehovah's Witnesses that true Christianity is been practiced but that doesn't mean all members are wholeheartedly doing what our Master Lord and King commanded us to do!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Do You Think Of Christians That Go To Work On Sunday? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:32pm On Aug 12, 2023

shogotermies:
I just wanted to ask this short quick question.
What do you think of Christians who goes to work or open their shops on Sunday?

My personal opinions are;
Except you’re a 7th Day Adventist Christian, a university student (probably needing to attend a tutorial) and a government worker e.g Health workers and Security outfits.
I believe God made Sunday for rest and he commanded it.

What is your own opinion?
And if I’m wrong, tell me why with scriptural references. Thanks in advance

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Colossians 2:16

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Signs Of The End Time Biblical Interpretations by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:21pm On Aug 12, 2023

Davoneskay:
Is it proper to pay/collect tithes?

Paying of tithes? YES!
Monetarily? NO!
Collection of tithes? NO!

In the Old Covenant tithes are mandatory to keep pure worship in order, all other tribes of Israel work hard separate their profits and divide the profits into ten parts then bring to the temple one tenth of their profits to the Levites in the temple, the Levites in turn share the tithes among themselves and each Levites also pay tenth part of what they collected which will be given to widows, orphans and travelers who are within their society! Deuteronomy 14:28-29

When Jesus came as the Christ he demolished the temple spiritually speaking by offering his body as a sacrifice for sin that ends the old covenant with the Levitical priesthood so there's no need for anyone in the new covenant to pay tithes to human priests anymore rather we are to pay our tithes directly to the Christ.
How are we to pay our tithes to Christ?
He demanded our precious time to go out preaching and teaching in our neighbourhood and you know time is money so each person need to calculate how much time we spend in a week for other things then set out time to join other disciples in the work Christ Jesus commissioned, whoever fails to make a schedule for this is not paying his or her tithes to our new highpriest Christ Jesus.
So we Jehovah's Witnesses are paying our tithes directly to Christ Jesus not monetarily but with the time we spend in the ministry.

That's why i said nobody collects the tithes in our midst rather we encourage one another to make sure of the most important job given to us by our Master, Lord and King: Christ Jesus!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Revelation Not Mention About The Destruction Of The 2nd Temple by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:05pm On Aug 12, 2023

Davoneskay:
I have answered you in the other thread.

I have responded!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:02pm On Aug 12, 2023

Jokerman:
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

God never designed angels to save humanity. Look at these scriptures below .

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Nobody is telling you to call the name of angels when praying, that's the import of what you quoted but as for Jesus of Nazareth whose existence has been before the world he is the Archangel Michael!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:00pm On Aug 12, 2023

Jokerman:
My Mom was once a JW, thank God for my Dad who opened her eyes to understand spiritual things as revealed by the Holy Spirit. So JW now worship angels🤣🤣🤣... Who came back in 1914? My brother, find a time. Pray to God that he should reveal whom the Lord Jesus Christ is to you..and see your folly over the years...

Let's see the performance of your fellow believers in that your god first nah! James 2:18-26 grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:58pm On Aug 12, 2023

Jokerman:
May God give you his revelation

Let me see the performance of those whom your god has revealed itself to first because that's the only thing that can make me feel like getting a Revelation from the god but if it's still about you people with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines then i already know that your god can't be the one i want to worship! wink

Christianity Etc › Re: The Signs Of The End Time Biblical Interpretations by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:50pm On Aug 12, 2023*

Davoneskay:
Your body is the temple of God.

This is where you got it all wrong!

Of course Jesus was referring to the BODY when he made an illustration regarding the temple but the illustration is not about each individual rather it's the congregation as ONE BODY having many parts, the old temple was made up of bricks and other materials but this new temple is made of different individuals each with his unique ability contributing to the success of God's organization! Ephesians 4:12

So don't think it's about one person found in Deeperlife while another in RCCG and another in MFM have contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
NO! Each of them is practicing a totally different religions as long as they're not living by the same standard.
The BODY of Christ means people from nations far away from one another but having the same line of thought regarding what Jesus taught {John 17:22} as they rely on their study of the scriptures {John 17:17} while they pray in Jesus name for him to chairman the meeting! Matthew 18:20

So i am not the temple of God rather it's the organization as a united people working with one thought!

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:21am On Aug 12, 2023

cornelboy:
It's well

You already know how to respond to that fool who is going about with nothing tangible to say!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:18am On Aug 12, 2023

cornelboy:
You guys don't understand anything in the scriptures.
Jehovah the Father can be "one" with even humans.
If Michael is Jesus yes, Michael is one with God.

John 17:21,23
[21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one —as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.
[23]I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.

Jesus being one with the Father is just like when a man marries and joins to a woman and they become one.

John 10:28-29
[28]I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,
[29]for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand.

At John 10:30 what Jesus meant was not that he's equal or the same person with the Father but the Father and him are both working in perfect unity for the same purpose i.e protecting the sheep.

A real Bible student!

Oya ask them to show how practical Jesus and his disciples are one with God in their own churches apart from the noise they're making disturbing neighbours night and day with heavy instruments.

Let them show you how they're unitedly doing God's will the way Jehovah's Witnesses are well organized globally working as One with our God! John 17:20-23

They're spiritually scattered in their doctrines {Luke 11:23} different religions claiming they are believers in the same person yet when politicians call for supporters to kill opponents this same people claiming disciples of Christ will follow them to kill their enemies, neighbours and even their fellow worshipers in other places! Revelations 6:3-4 undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:10am On Aug 12, 2023

cornelboy:
It's heresy to say Jesus is Jehovah.
So absurd really.
Jesus life already started in heaven even before he created the universe for his Father, Jehovah.
So what was his identity before was born as human?
The clues point that Michael is Jesus.
Take it or leave.
I would really like you to show me where Jesus claim to Jehovah his Father or where Jehovah claim to be Jesus the son.

Satan has really blinded them!

Imagine how they're always singing "Jesus is this, Jesus is that, Jesus is left right front back and center yet what is the will of God that's supposed to take place in the midst of Jesus' disciples as one family of peace?
They don't care! Matthew 7:21-23

Even when you're showing them the will of God as stated in the Bible which believers supposed to fulfil as assurance that Jesus is working with them they will ignore as long as you're not blindly mimicking their hopeless slogan "Jesus is Lord"
But to be honest who is truly saying:
"Jesus is Lord"

Is it people whose doctrines are conflicting and doctrines contradicting, ever ready to pick up weapons against one another due to politics and racism?

Or people who are carefully examine what Jesus commanded and helping one another to fulfil it?

Jehovah's Witnesses don't just go about saying "Jesus is LORD" blindly but everything we do is strictly according to Jesus' orders.
So if anyone should ask "why are you people doing things the way you're doing?"
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can quote Jesus and show how practical we are applying it but all these people just go about shouting and singing "Jesus is Lord" whereas when it comes to the love Jesus commanded they trash it like nonsense! undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:35am On Aug 12, 2023

Jokerman:
So it makes sense that Angel Michael is self same person as Jesus Christ?? You better repent of such HERESY! Please !

I always pity misinformed churchgoers like you because the word HERESY means FALSEHOOD but instead of using your brain to think you've allowed the nonsense and Ingredients of the churches of Christendom to blindfold you completely.

When Jesus walked the earth in the first century the Jews were calling his teachings "HERESY" in fact many of his disciples later turned back from following him due to what they are hearing from their religious leaders {John 6:66} but there's one thing any right thinking human should take note: only Jesus' teachings proved to be working for the purpose God promised the Jews! John 6:67-68

All other teachings in first century Israel failed to meet up with the will of God so only Jesus was able to organize his own disciples {Luke 10:1-7} all other numerous schools of thought back then couldn't make a headway rather they were busy politicizing their groups until the Romans came to wipe them all away that's why only Jesus' disciples could go from city to city preaching zealously and industriously teaching about God's kingdom. Do you know what the Jews were calling Jesus' disciples back then? Well they were calling them a CULT just as you and your confused fellow churchgoers are doing today {Matthew 10:25} yet this is the one and only teaching that has successfully achieved what God promised during the end time! Isaiah 2:2-4

We know you will not reason after all you have the support of confused churchgoers like you who can't come up with one line of thought regarding your so called faith yet you're here criticizing the one and only organization that has made it possible for people from all nations to love their enemies without thinking of revenge {Matthew 5:43-48} who have love for neighbours {Mark 12:31} by going to visit them in their homes {Matthew 10:11-13} and love for their fellow believers throughout the earth {John 13:34-35} while you will pick up weapons or support the use of weapons against your so called fellow believers in other countries due to politics and racism! Revelations 6:3-4

Ọmọ i really pity you o!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:15am On Aug 12, 2023

Jokerman:
So God created all things through and for Angel Michael then?

YES! His earthly mission is what earned him the name that is above all other names: JESUS

So at the mention of that name (Jesus) all those in heaven and on earth must be alert to obey {Philippians 2:10} it's through thorough research we have come to know that the one who become Jesus is the archangel Michael.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:08am On Aug 12, 2023

Jokerman:
Since you can proof that Angel Michael is the Lord Jesus Christ, which the Bible never claimed to be, reducing the Godship of the master Jesus Christ to an angel, then I can also proof to you from the Bible that Jesus is God.
Or have you not read that Jesus is the King of Kings? Or Jesus is the mighty God? Or Jesus is called Emmanuel (God with Us), or have you not read that Jesus used words just that God to change situations rather than fighting?

No wahala go and make the best use of your Jesus whom you know as the Almighty to fulfil what is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 that's God's will for mankind so instead of looking for fruitless arguments get to work and see to it how adherents of your Jesus the Almighty can fulfill or do God's will today. Matthew 7:21-23

We know that the mighty spirit king who is leading us today is the Archangel Michael {Daniel 12:1} and he returned in the year 1914 to restructure his group and ever since then God's organization has turned a new leaf as we are going throughout all the nations to make disciples {Matthew 28:19} who are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood inculcating in the minds of those who avail themselves the love Christ Jesus commanded us {Matthew 28:20} and throughout the earth today you can't find a single member of our group who carries weapons for any reason {Matthew 26:52} just as the prophecy foretold about the outcome of the mission of the Prince of Peace! Micah 4:1-3

There's no need arguing let the fruitage of your faith speak {Matthew 7:16-18} the fruitage (works) of our faith is not hidden! Matthew 5:14-16 compare to James 2:18-26 wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:57am On Aug 12, 2023

Jokerman:
1. So Angel Michael bore all these names?? An Angel?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. So, Angel Michael is now the mighty God too 😬.. ok.

2. Satan is the equal of Michael, that's why they always contend, and Michael couldn't even defeat Satan without Jesus. Jesus never had to contend with the Devil. He used words, same words that carry power that was used to create Heaven and Earth. Please read up the real Bible, don't use your JW or 7 day Adventist bible.

3. Angel Michael is a created being. Jesus wasn't created. He along with the father created all things... Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist..... Read and understand; a. By Him b. And for him... So God created all things through Angel Michael, and for Angel Michael?

Your problem is TRINITY but then you need to see things from the Bible's viewpoint.

All humans are equal before God even though Adam is the father of all inhabitants of the earth he has no right to make himself lord over others. The same is with Archangel Michael even though God created everything through him he has no right to make himself lord over all other. In heaven there are spirit sons of God each having his duty God made Michael their overall head and controller but that doesn't give him the right to do anything without following protocol that's why he always comes to the scene anytime powerful fallen angels are trying to go beyond their boundaries {Daniel 10:13} the Bible book of Isaiah you quoted said:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Michael will be transformed into an embryo in the womb of a Jewish virgin, like a son given among Israelites, the rulership of all the earth will be given him, and he will make great names for himself in the midst of faithful humans:

© Wonderful Counselor: due to his teaching skills many humans will be counseled so that all adherents of his teachings will shine in a world filled with faithless miscreants {Matthew 5:14-16} that's what will make him the world's most wonderful counselor of all time!

© The Mighty God: when this child walk the earth he will prove to be like a God in Israel just like Moses proved to be a God in Egypt {Exodus 7:1} so faithful Israelites could sense that this is the prophet God promised them to come in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18 compare to Act 3:22} so he will prove to be a prophet and at the same time a God in their midst.

© Everlasting Father: Adam is the father of all humans but through him mankind inherited sin and death because Adam is dead for good {Romans 5:12} but through faith in this child all adherents of his teachings will have everlasting life {John 3:16} so unlike Adam our temporary father who died and lost everything this child will live forever as our adoptive father! 1Corinthians 15:45

© Prince of Peace: with his mission on planet earth people from all nations will come to love the true God, they will settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that's what Jesus later commanded his disciples to take to all the corners of the earth in order for this prophecy to be fulfilled {Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8} that's how he became the prince (ruler) through whom people from all nations agreed to become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers today.

So Michael (Jesus) never had any of those names before his earthly mission it's after his mission has been accomplished {John 19:30} that he was given all these names! Matthew 28:18

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:02pm On Aug 11, 2023

cornelboy:
Hilarious 😂😂

I just wonder which sounds more reasonable:

Jesus who said he is God's son and Almighty God Himself acknowledged Jesus as His son to be one of God's spirit sons or that Jesus is the Almighty God?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:58pm On Aug 11, 2023

cornelboy:
Thanks you sir haha. There are a lot of challenges. Jah will help me through 🙂

That's exactly what all of us are going through in this last days! 1Peter 5:9

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:22pm On Aug 11, 2023

Jokerman:
I can point it out to you that Jesus is Jehovah himself

Who sent himself, obeyed himself, prayed to himself, answered himself, offered sacrifice to himself, granted his sacrifice by himself, sent angels to console himself, cried to himself for help, died and resurrected himself, and sat at his own right in heaven!

You sabi Bible no be small! cheesy

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:18pm On Aug 11, 2023

Jokerman:
Archangel Michael that was contesting with the devil,is the same angel you wanna compare with the one who speaks and the devil is defeated. The one that his name is above all names. These cults sef

Name he WAS GIVEN after his earthly mission differs from the name he bears before coming to the earth. So when he was contending with the devil he has no such name!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:54pm On Aug 11, 2023

Janosky:
Is Daniel who wrote about the archangel Michael not a Jew?
Jokerman's claim ls NOT TRUE.

Just like Jews returnees from Babylon he wants to mix our beliefs with that of the churches of Christendom! wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:50pm On Aug 11, 2023

cornelboy:
Okay

I have decided to avoid fruitless arguments since i now have many looking up to me on the forum for enlightenment so instead of waisting my precious time with argumentators i ignore them! Titus 3:9 wink

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:48pm On Aug 11, 2023

cornelboy:
Thanks for your concern Sir. I'll find a place when I move osun state around October. I'll call you and explain better.

I will love to see you grow in the faith!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Signs Of The End Time Biblical Interpretations by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:43pm On Aug 11, 2023

Dtruthspeaker:
See madness.
Rather than address the post this one is talking about organization. What madness

Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works, and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,” and he came to be called Jehovah’s friend. You see that a man is to be declared righteous by works and not by faith alone. In the same manner, was not Raʹhab the prostitute also declared righteous by works after she received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way? 26 Indeed, just as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead! James 2:18-26 grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:41pm On Aug 11, 2023

Jokerman:
Jews never called the name of angels.
That was idol worship

You're wrong!
Judaists do call names of angels. After they returned from Babylon most of them mixed their beliefs with Babylonian mythology they're no longer relying only on the Mosaic laws!

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