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Even if we try to show you insincerity will never allow you to learn so let's leave you with what you want to hear!

MessiahOfAfrica:
Well Noted.
This is to say that The Name of "God" is "Jehovah" as The Bible Verse here puts it.
Historically,
Did Jehovah Live The Surface of The Earth ?

After the rebellion in the garden of Eden He turned His attention away from Adam and Eve for them to experience what they desired from Him: ABSOLUTE FREEDOM!
To illustrate imagine a parent guiding a child so that the child will not get into trouble but this child accused them of withholding what he desires so much on hearing this they allowed him to go and have a taste of his wish only for the child to run insane yet despite the insanity and unclothedness this child still feels like solving the problem all by himself instead of returning home.

Do you think the parents will be happy seeing their child in that condition?

Well that's why JEHOVAH turned His attention away from mankind {Genesis 6:5-6} only to empower some of His angels with the ability to see everything that's happening on the surface of the earth {Ezekiel 10:12} these creatures are the ones reporting to Him on what humans are doing to themselves {Genesis 18:20-21} notice what He told Abraham "I am going to inspect what they told me to be sure that it's as bad as the report"

So most people think Jehovah is watching everything directly because He is Almighty but they're wrong He only get information from His loyal spirit sons who are reporting to Him because His eyes are too pure to look unto what is evil! Habakkuk 1:13

In line with our ongoing discussion i will like to share this message with you, it's the message JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES throughout the world are to read today.

Good morning!

Jehovah knows the best time to end this wicked world. His patience has allowed for the gathering of a great crowd, numbering into the millions, who worship and praise him. All of them are glad that Jehovah has endured long enough for them to be born, to learn to love him, and to dedicate themselves to him. Jehovah’s decision to endure will be fully justified when he joyfully rewards the millions of us who have endured to the end! Despite all the heartache and suffering Satan has caused, Jehovah remains “the happy God.” (1 Tim. 1:11) We can likewise remain joyful while we patiently wait for Jehovah to sanctify his name, vindicate his sovereignty, end all wickedness, and bring an end to our present problems. Let us be determined to endure and to take comfort in knowing that our heavenly Father is enduring too.

AntiChristian:
What do you think about all these deaths?
Where was Jesus the prince of peace?

All those deaths foreshadow what God's angels will do to anyone found practicing those things when God is directly ruling over the earth so in God's kingdom nobody needs to kill anyone simply because he or she failed to live by the standard because it's angels that will kill the defaulters they will die untimely while other live forever {Isaiah 65:20} and as for Jesus the prince of peace his job is to help defaulters who are committing those errors now to break free through his wise counsel {Isaiah 9:6-7} whoever feels like he's too big to be counseled by Christ Jesus will be killed by Christ Jesus himself! Luke 19:27

AntiChristian:
When the rich man came to meet Jesus and asked him about eternal life, the first thing Jesus said was Obey the commandments!

The commandments given to Moses only applies to Israelites it has nothing to do with none Israelites.
WHY?
Because by keeping that commandments the Israelites will understand why mankind need a redeemer (saviour) if death is the wages of all errors (sin)
Jesus never told any none Israelite to obey the commandments because it wasn't a covenant between God and any other nation except Israel! Exodus 19:5
So while the commandments was to lead the Israelites to the Christ {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} whoever has come to know the Christ does not need the commandments anymore.

To illustrate imagine you're traveling to a place you've never been to so a map was prepared to help you locate your destination surely you will continue to study the map seriously and to follow all the instructions in the map but when you are there do you still need that map?

That's the point!

The commandments supposed to lead the Israelites to embrace Christ as their redeemer someone they must obey whatever protrudes out of his mouth but then they rejected him simply because he didn't lead them to war against their supposed enemies so anyone who recognized him as the saviour has no need for the commandments anymore because it's no longer useful for any purpose!

AntiChristian:
I never mentioned anything about him accepting or rejecting the title!
He was titled sha!

The only title Jesus was given before his birth is "CHRIST" but he wasn't ready to bear the title because he knew the only reason why the Jews need Christ is to lead them to preaching and teaching other nations not to start ruling over them instantly. But that's what the Jews wanted in the first century a King that will lead them to conquer all their enemies most especially Romans.
So when Jesus taught them to love their enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} they find it absorb some specifically asked him if their neighbours includes people who aren't Jews so he use an illustration to teach them that anyone could be a well meaning neighbour! Luke 10:25-37

I would have participated in this but gradually we're getting along on the other thread so i'll allow you to enjoy what others have to say about GOD in order to compare and contrast perhaps you will see something different as in UNIQUE!

MessiahOfAfrica:
Liked, Shared and Followed.
Infact, if I could "Love" This Post; I Would Have Done So. I'll have to take time to ask my questions one after the order following your paragraphs. Give me some time to go through All of The Bible Passages Too. I'll be back.

Any reasonable person will do exactly the same before destroying evildoers for good otherwise you can't justify their destruction simply because you're almighty.
God strongly believe in Himself and His works that Adam and Eve never had any defect in their making they deliberately choose to be rebels:

They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation! Deuteronomy 32:5

So time is needed to prove that God's work is perfect as some of Adam's descendants are now taking God's side even during most difficult times! Proverbs 27:11

Aemmyjah:
You did not mention that you atheists, with such religion or philosophy mean your life is purposeless and meaningless. True or false?

I just want him to know that it's not only those he called ATHEISTS that doesn't believe in the existence of someone who watch in secret if all those they're calling THEISTS believe that there is someone who watches everything we do surely the world will be a better place.

Most people often think people in advance countries love obeying traffic rules but they failed to realize that it's due to CCTV cameras everywhere that's forcing them to obey traffic so if the percentage claiming they're believers truly believes in God who is watching in secret the world will be a Paradise!

In Christianity the only approved titles are "Christ" and "Apostles" both meant to serve the others like messengers no prominence. Matthew 20:25, 28

But in the world titles are for prominence and politics that's why Jesus forbids it even though he is the Christ he doesn't want to be addressed with that title {Matthew 16:20} because the Jews believe the Christ should be their political leader {John 6:15} so among his own disciples it's forbidden for anyone to be a chief among the nations according to him they must all be brothers {Matthew 23:8-10} in fact that's why Jesus turned down a title chief who really want to be one of his disciples Jesus ordered him to sell away all those prominence and become an ordinary man with no titles in the society! Luke 18:18-23

MessiahOfAfrica:
Please, What Case is this Exactly?

God used the Bible to present this CASE so it's only His anointed servants today that can help you to know the truth about this case.

In the Bible book of Genesis God said He made a lot of living creatures but only one out of them all have the ability to think about his future and improve his lifestyle: MAN Genesis 1:26
So this creature was made the overseer over all other creatures that's living on instinct! Genesis 1:27-28

Because this creature is highly intelligent he is free to do whatever pleases him as long as he's enjoying himself but he must not think of setting standards for his kind regarding right and wrong! Genesis 2:17

One of spirit sons of God (Satan) wanted to be the ruler over the intelligent creatures on earth and since God won't grant his ambitions he decided to lead a rebellion against God's sovereignty, the case now is can humans rule themselves independently without God's guidance? Genesis 3:4-5

The first human couple joined this spirit son of God and so God must wait for time to tell if mankind can find happiness and joy while ruling over themselves independently.

For thousands of years now mankind has tried all types of government and all has failed today the system of government mankind is propagating is "DEMOCRACY" they think if they all come up with ideas from the majority things will work out fine but instead it's getting worse by the day.

That's why God foretold that it's when people are practicing DEMOCRACY (the system of rule where the rulers are changed periodically based on the decision of the majority) and it's getting them nowhere that He (God) will step in to end all this shit! Daniel 2:44

It's our first human parents that choose to be independent of God by forming alliance with Satan that's why Satan became the ruler of this planet ever since then after all the other two rebels (Adam and Eve) are gone so Satan who is a spirit creature remains the only bonafide ruler since he is the last man standing among the three rebels! John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19


So until mankind can see for themselves that human government is a total failure God can't step in justifiably!

Aemmyjah:
So because of the actions of hypocrites mean there is no God right?
There's a better idea
Let's all turn atheists and live anyhow we wish knowing we are not accountable to anyone
We don't need laws or fear
Just lead a purposeless life and live like animals acting on instinct and see how better the world will be

He is blinded by the meaningless tag given to him by his white supremacists "ATHEISTS"

So to him those claiming atheists are the only people who don't believe in God.

How thoughtless they are!

The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST so if there are motorists willfully breaking traffic rules in their cities is there any clue that such ones BELIEVE in CCTV cameras?

MessiahOfAfrica:
So, All of The Sufferings, WARS and Bad Happenings of The World Are Being Blamed Upon Satan Who is The Son of God Who Can Actually Stop Him from All of His Evils ?
Why Does Such A Good God Allow Evil To Continue To Happen Especially To The Good People of The World Who Tries To Help Other Humanity ?

There is a case to settle before God can justify the destruction of Satan, demons and rebellious humans.
Until that case is settled God can't justify the destruction of all evildoers!

MessiahOfAfrica:
Are these Rebellious Sons of God The Same Fallen Angels ?
If they are, Do You also mean that Satan is A Rebellious Son of God?

To both questions the answer is YES!

FRANCISTOWN:
Let's not go too far.
Let's use Nigeria as a case study.
How many national criminals have you seen who was/is an atheist?
Your politicians are theists.
Yahoo boys and prostitutes flock churches, mosques and shrines.
Anini, Oyenusi and all that were theists.
Evans is a Christan.
Tell me one criminal in Nigeria who is an atheist.
Is Prof. Wole Soyinka also desperate and lacks conscience?
Was Tai Solarin desperate and also lacked conscience?
It's pretty good to think before we just type anything.

The highlighted befits you perfectly but it's just a pity that you're deaf spiritually speaking!

This is the topic of the thread:

What Is The Benefit Of Being Around People Who Do Not Believe In God?"

The topic didn't say ATHEISTS or THEIST as you erroneously defined terms rather it's straight to the point (People Who Do Not Believe In God) now use your thinking faculty and not erroneous tags to figure out your own quotes:

Your politicians:.
Yahoo boys:
prostitutes:
Anini:
Oyenusi:
Evans:

Who among these truly believes that a sky man is watching them yet committing atrocities in the society?

That's what the Bible told you but you refused to think over it:

The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no (sky man).” Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good. Psalm 14:1

So from the ACTIVITIES of these people you listed they are not BELIEVERS in God but UNBELIEVERS. It's you who is not wise enough to solve the riddle!

Nsogbu001:
I know we all worship the same God

Are you sure of this? 1Corinthians 8:5

Jesus said:
"By their fruits you will know them" Matthew 7:16

So if a religious group is well organized in what they does in their gathering but another is not then what convinced you that they're both under the direction of the same deity (god) ?

FRANCISTOWN:
Lemme mention a few.
1. You'll realise you have the power to shape and fashion your destiny into whatever you want it.
2. You'll stop feeling hopeless and fearful because you'll realise your life is not in the hand of any of the imaginary figure, be it God and his other side of the coin known as devil.
3. You'll realise witches and wizards can't harm you or anything around you. So you'll stop getting scared of things that do not be.
4. You'll stop getting scared of ghost and stupid nightmares, sleep paralysis and old wives fables of how one uncle from your village is after your life.
5. You'll be more careful the way you treat people because you'll know that there is no God to absorb you of your sins once you err people.
6. You'll treat people more kindly, because you'll understand that all we have in this world is one another, and the more impression you create on people, the more your chance to succeed. You'll also learn to apologise when you are wrong.
7. You'll plan your life and work things out instead of wasting hours on prayers that don't ever work for anybody in this life.
8. You'll stop wasting your time on Religious mumbo jumbo, pentecostalim, indoctrinations and charismstism which haven't favoured anyone since this civilisation.
9. You'll put your 10% to good use by given it to the poor and less privileged instead of some unscrupulous motivational speakers who are parading themselves as clergies.
Many many more

You forgot one more point:

You'll feel (really safe) living with people whose next line of action in all situations largely depends on desperation to get rich at all cost or die trying and not conscience!

Carefully read Matthew 7:15-20

When God made a covenant with the nation of Israel He said:

“‘If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him" Deuteronomy 18:20-22

The above is how Israelites can fish out false prophets among them not outside the nation of Israel!

Jonah was sent to Nineveh to proclaim death on that ancient city in just 40 days but it didn't occur so does that make Jonah a false prophet? NO! Because he wasn't prophesying in Israel that's why Jesus told his listeners that the only sign God will give interested persons in the endtime is like that of Jonah what Jonah prophesied about Nineveh didn't occur the time Jonah thought but after Jonah's death Nineveh actually faced that annihilation!

So how can we know false prophets after Jesus?
Any religion that failed to make disciples who are zealous preachers and industrious teachers of the kingdom of God like Jesus and his disciples did in the first century is false religion headed by false prophets {Matthew 7:16} Jesus is the vine planted by God {John 15:1} his apostles are the branches {John 15:5} the work was commissioned to make more disciples who will also be preaching and teaching from house to house {Matthew 10:11-13 compare to Matthew 28:19-20} everywhere they are that's the FRUIT expected of Christianity {John 15:5} so any religion that's gathering followers but they're not making active preachers within their environs is not Christianity therefore it's a fake religion headed by false prophets! Matthew 7:16-18

Childfree:
Okay tell me, where did you get the story that a thing called god told some ancient persons to collect those things?

From humans just as you also get the story that there's something called "gravity" and another called "black holes" and nobody ever seen both black holes nor gravity we only believe due to reactions of objects.
So humans also told me there is an unseen supernatural being called "GOD" somewhere and we can all see how powerful this GOD is as people from different geographical location on this planet believe and make sacrifices to GOD!

gohf:
The truth stands the test of time not the acceptance of people, it will prove true in the end.

You don't know how powerful the truth is my friend whoever hears the truth can never ever remain the same! Hebrews 4:12

If it's well presented it enters into the heart of any listener so the response is in two ways you either fall in love with it to make it your own or hate it with passion.

Those falling in love with TRUTH are sincere and honest hearted individuals who think of fairness towards all while haters of truth are selfish and greedy people.

So no matter how close you're to the truth it all depends on your heart condition while the truth remains what it is: TRUTH!

The Bible book of GENESIS solved your quest!

God created man and gave him freewill to do whatever he wants with his life but then he mustn't think of setting standards for right and wrong over other humans! Genesis 2:17

That's the reason why many are questioning the existence of God today because they want to be free but then how do we cohabit in peace when each person has what he or she will like to do with his or her life and we don't have the same hobby.

After discussing with atheists and agnostics on this forum many of them have agreed with me that mankind need rules to guide us but then who should set such standard?

That's what silenced them because if each person has what he likes and dislikes we can't trash the idea of a SUPREME BEING: GOD!

gohf:
Oya how u want take find the truth?

First of all TRUTH connotes what everyone can testify to without dispute so you must provide indisputable proof of what you call TRUTH and allow doubters to languish in torment trying to disprove what is undeniable.

The Bible and all it's messages are written by people we don't know and things found in the book aren't happening for real today so if that book is true you can't expect those reading it to trust what they read simply because it was written and compiled, remember that humans have written and compiled books in volumes so they can't easily believe that another book should determine how they will live their life!


So why believe the Bible?

Well Bible provides satisfying answers to many questions that has to do with life.
It provides wise counsel on day to day life how we can live and enjoy whatever we do whether we have little or much.
It gives sure hope about the future of mankind and tells us how we can find peace lovers with whom we will live forever under God's kingdom.

Anybody can raise objections on the first two but the third what we all need to consider and think deeply about.

Who are the peace lovers around us with whom we can share the Good News of a happy future?

Lots of people around you are atheists in the making because they want to solve all their problems now so the hope of a brighter future under God's kingdom means nothing to them yet many of them attend religious sessions but they are not believers.
That's why many of them are furiously questioning what they were told in the past now that they have doubters everywhere backing them up to ask thought provoking questions that none of their religious leaders have answers to!

Childfree:
I do not fear soldier if I see one. What you wrote there is garbage. Where did you get the story of the sky man, the killing and destruction which the alleged sky man would soon come and do? Don't tell me from a book please
From the same book written by some primitive folks which claimed a thing called god that lives in the sky told people to give them 10% of their earnings also goat, ram, pigeon flesh and blood for the sky dude. Lol

Now it has been established that tithing is not your problem but the idea of supernaturals!

Do you believe in books written by men who never witnessed what you're seeing today?
Of course you do!

Isaac Newton discovered gravity but he never knew a telephone nor flat screen tv yet you will gladly welcome his idea of gravity!

John MichelI wrote above black holes but he never knew a space ship yet you welcome the idea heartily.

So why do you welcome what these primitive men who never knew what we know today wrote?

Well i will help you with the answer:
You believe them because there is an ongoing follow up on what they said and till today it has not been disproved that neither black holes or gravity are scams.

The same applies to what is written in the Bible my young man, all the things written in that ancient book has proved to be true and up to date even though the writers never saw what we know today just as Isaac Newton and John Michell never experienced half of what we know today!

It's only the truth that can reach the heart of all humans fairy tales of dead people suffering somewhere makes no sense logically and scripturally.

So let's find out the truth first before expecting people around us to take faith seriously!

Childfree:
But you got this from a book written by some primitive folks right ?
They tell you a thing called god who lives in the sky told them to collect 10% of peoples earning. And that he'll later come to kill human beings. Lol
Common oga.

Do you fear when you see a soldier in uniform?
YES!
What comes to your mind?
It's the fear that this people are trained to kill and of course you've heard of wars in time past and movie makers have also acted it on TV, you believe whenever you see anyone in that uniform that they're trained to do those things you watch on TV.
So even though you've never been to battle yet you believe what you heard about WARS right?
Well this sky man has done a lot in the past, He promised to do certain things in our own time and He's fulfilling it now.
So only an ignorant person will doubt His existence after seeing what He promised coming to fulfilment today right in our own eyes! Romans 1:20

Childfree:
A book written by some primitive folks that a thing in the sky called god, told them to collect 10% of people's earnings, then went ahead to also tell you the bolded above?

With excitement in your eyes, happiness in your stomach, you are happily saying soon you'll execute and kill some human beings which you tag evildoers because you saw it written in a book

Good people would always be good. Bad people would always be bad. But only religion, a thing called god, things written in a book would turn good people to bad people.

There is no sky man anywhere, it was just some primitive folks story.

The highlighted is a promise from God (our shy daddy) who never failed in His promises not what humans like me will carry out because it's not going to an extermination by physical weapons!
So relax my atheists friend it's God's war not mine!

Childfree:
Tell me one country, tribe or locality where there are no fraudsters or people that exploit there fellow countrymen? Yeah, it was some primitive folks that started it. A god demand goat, ram, pigeon and money. Lol

So unlike the internet that started somewhere and was taken to all other parts of the earth this idea just spring up in the hearts of people throughout the earth without telecommution shey?
Ọmọ you wise pass wisdom walahi talahi!

Sexual immorality didn't start today so as true believers all we need to do is imitate our Lord Jesus Christ who is leading us to fish out friends of peace.
Since immorality has become a welcome development in our world we shouldn't be judgmental but calmly help the immoral ones around us to make peace with God as they change their ways.
This will require patience and respect from us since each person has freewill whether to obey God or disobey so we must be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Matthew 10:16
Jesus was preaching to a promiscuous woman from Samaria at Jacob's well he already knew how adulterous this woman is yet Jesus spoke with her calmly like a friend even though she acted unfriendly Jesus persisted in making friend with her and when she realized that Jesus won't give up she took interest in him not in his words but in the handsome young Jew perhaps he could be her prospective new suitor but Jesus changed the topic of discussion by asking for her husband which she denied having one then Jesus showed his real identity by telling her all she's been doing with different men and how she's not even satisfied with the one she's married to presently.
It ended well and she became a disciple going to call her townspeople who knew her to be a promiscuous woman! John 4:7-42

So as preachers we must have deep respect for everyone in our society {1Peter 3:15} no matter how degrading their lifestyle because we are to call them to repentance and not to judge them! Luke 5:32

May you have PEACE!

There is no benefits because they're hopeless so since they don't believe there's any rewards for doing what is right {Hebrews 11:6} they only do it thinking whatever goes around comes around but when things doesn't go the way they think the next thing is to take their future into their hands then desperation will make them raise weapons against themselves {Revelations 6:3-4} in the end they will be working towards wiping out themselves from the surface of the earth! Revelations 11:18

That's why God's word to all believers said:

"Do not be upset because of evil men Or envious of wrongdoers. They will quickly wither like grass And shrivel like green new grass. Trust in Jehovah and do what is good; Reside in the earth, and act with faithfulness. Find exquisite delight in Jehovah, And he will grant you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to Jehovah; Rely on him, and he will act in your behalf. He will make your righteousness shine like daybreak, And your justice like the midday sun. Keep silent before Jehovah And wait expectantly for him. Do not be upset by the man Who succeeds in carrying out his schemes. Let go of anger and abandon rage; Do not become upset and turn to doing evil. For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace"

Psalm 37:1-11

Childfree:
The tithe you yourself pay

Good question!
Today the tithe i pay today as a Christian is meant to prepare the earth for a new start. Soon all evildoers on this planet will be killed and only good people will be spared by God's executioners. So by making peace with my neighbours and having the same line of thought with them i'm preparing myself for the good times ahead when the whole earth will become one global family of peace loving worshipers under the instructions of our sky daddy.
Nobody can force this on you if you're not interested but no matter how hopeless you are you can't take away the hope believers have simply because you choose to be hopeless!

Childfree:
How can't you figure out that it was just a ploy by some hungry fraudsters to get free food for themselves?

Atheism makes you intelligent but wisdom you can't have!

If some hungry fraudsters initiated that among the Israelites then how come the same thing is done globally?
In all cultures throughout the world sacrifices are made to appease deities so if some hungry fraudsters faked it in Israel does that makes all the nations on planet earth hungry fraudsters because it was a global thing no nation was left out when talking about sacrifices to deities in ancient times.
So trust me my young man atheism may seem intelligent but there's no wisdom in it!

Jesus of Nazareth!