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The truth of the matter is that those people that first came to Africa with copies of the Bible claiming Christians aren't believers but politicians!
Jesus won't accept voting to establish the truth rather it's God's Holy Spirit that's will direct his disciples on what to do about such critical matter but politicians will vote since it's what the majority wants they will do!

Emusan:
Is Jesus your Lord and Personal Saviour?
A JWs can claim another person is blindfolded with dogma

Ọmọ it's a common dogma in the churches of Christendom but it's not written anywhere in the Bible that one should accept Jesus as Lord and personal saviour!

FRANCISTOWN:
What about that which they share in Churches, and even put on streams for display... E.g Chris Oyakhilome, Joshua Selman, Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts and all

I don't know how old you are but if you're up to 40 years i would have asked you a question:

What has happened to the magicians who used to entertain us on TV shows during the 80s?
Ọmọ they have all transformed into religious title chiefs {2Corinthians 11:14} since Nigerians are suffering and entertainment is no longer making money, the magicians have turned to pastors and now Nigerians will offer 10% of their monthly earnings in the name of tithes to watch live shows.
Why is it that advanced countries don't have such?
Well that's because entertainment makes money over there. Music, sports, Shows all are working out as people are living fine over there unlike Nigerians where 90% only worry about their stomach. So the only way to catch them is disguising as pastors to make them pay for entertainment: magic, music and comedy which they supposed to watch as shows are now what they're paying 10% of their wages to watch in religious centers.
That's intelligence for you!

MightySparrow:
If you are not mentioning Jehovah, I would not be bothered. It is the Jehovah, you and your GB don't know that you are mispresenting and misrepresenting to people.
That is the reason for typing ' wrong teacher to wrong student '

You don't know anything about Jehovah all you want to here is what your Papa told you.
Can you quote anywhere Jehovah empower a none Israelites to perform miracles? Jesus is the son of Jehovah he confirmed that miracles is reserved only for Israelites! Matthew 15:24

So i'm not talking about some imaginary God your Papa is worshipping but what do you know about Jehovah of the Bible?

FreedomfromtheT:
I can see your ignorance.
Please read Romans 10:9. "That if thou shall confess with their mouth the Lord Jesus and shall believe in thy heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shall be saved".
You are free to give it the meaning your 'new world translation' and JWS 'apostles' gave it.

Where is it written that Jesus or his disciples ask anyone to accept Jesus as his Lord and personal saviour?

If you've been blindfolded with a dogma don't think it's everyone that will follow simply because such a dogma is common!

MightySparrow:
Okay then?

Stop mentioning me!

Whenever i speak it's for the God of the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses not the God of your Papa that's what the Bible emphasized:

"For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its god, But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever" Micah 4:5

So speak for your own God i always speak for mine: The God whose representatives are the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Aemmyjah:
Tagging atheists and religious people on different ends shows that the guy is not sincere but want to start a debate

If he starts a debate at least honest hearted and sincere followers will learn one thing or the other except misinformed churchgoer who has nothing tangible to say like:

MightySparrow:
Wrong teaching to wrong student.

Someone asked a question instead of speaking for his god he decided to mention me after i've told him several times that my God and his god aren't the same!

FreedomfromtheT:
Please stop the self-delusion.
Repent today, accept Christ Jesus as Lord and personal Saviour and be saved.
Jehovah's witnesses are a false, dogmatic, self-conceited religious group.
Stop misleading ignorant people with indoctrination.
Your never dying soul and theirs are too important to trade off for cheap, useless religious superiority competition.

OLÓDO!
You're suffering from indoctrination couple with credulity.
Can you quote where Jesus or his disciples tell anyone to accept Jesus as his personal Lord and saviour?

FRANCISTOWN:
Okay guys!

There are three beggars that I always see on my way to work.

Two of the three are amputees while the third one is blind.

My heart breaks whenever I see them every morning on my way to work.

I always felt like having a supernatural power that can heal them and make them whole.

I don't even have enough money to help them get artificial limbs.

However, I've heard some people say "What God cannot do, does not exist." And "He is a miracle working God"

Please I'd like anyone to recommend where I can bring these people to also experience this great power
That "changed people's genotype"
"Cured HIV"
"Cured last stage Cancer" e.t.c

I hereby call upon all the theists on NL, people who believe in god, supernatural and all.

People who believe in witches and wizards.

I don't care any supernatural power. Whoever can lead me to where these people can be healed will receive an instant payment of ₦50k once these people are healed and their missing parts reinvigorated.

I'll tell my lawyer to prepare a document to back up the contract of agreement, and you can come with your lawyer as well.

We'll pay whatever amount the spiritualist or the healer or the pastor or the herbalist or the sheikh requests after healing is confirmed. Though I may need some help.

Your job is just to take us to the place. Your transportation, accomodation and feeding is assured aside the ₦50k.

Thanks, I'm hoping to get a favourable response.

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There are many Gods {1Corinthians 8:5} Gods do perform wonders for different reasons most of them just to entertain observers so that they can believe they're real but the God of the Bible i know doesn't entertain people it's only the nation He made a covenant with that He often comes to their rescue (when necessary)
So after inhabitants of the city where His name was called had dealt ruthlessly with His servants, killed the one who has been standing for their salvation and continued to kill those practicing what he taught that nation was cursed {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} and God allowed pagan nations to destroy both that city and it's temple, ever since then no miracles from the God of the Bible again until His kingdom come! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

That's what happened!

FRANCISTOWN:
Let him turn up for people who are calling him at least

The book shows that individuals who made such demands never lived to tell so those that believe (trust) in the book won't agree with you!

FreedomfromtheT:
So you Jehovah's witnesses are the 'Apostles' people must listen to in order to become 'Christians? What a grand conceit and delusion!

If you like continue deceiving yourself one thing is sure: God's people must be led only by one group having the same line of thought. Act 2:42


So if you don't recognize that little group {Luke 12:32} you're on your own! Matthew 25:40

A man like Kumuyi teaching self righteousness can't replace that group!

Oh Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me!

Mikel99:
Between Satan and God, who do you think is winning the war?

GOD!

Before contemplating on who wins or loose you need to know what the both of them had in mind to prove.

GOD claimed that only through His guidance can man have peace and He will make it possible for His worshipers to cohabit peacefully without using weapons to resolve issues among themselves.

Satan on the other hand asserted that mankind can rule themselves independently without God's guidance so they don't need God both of them need to prove what they said while other heavenly creatures watch to see whose claim is true.

So it's not about DEMOCRACY majority carry the vote. NO! It's about proving their claim.

Today despite all the system of government introduced by Satan mankind has failed woefully to find a system of government that's independent yet successful. Ecclesiastes 8:9
But among God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) a government has been established since 1914 Jesus is the King and 144,000 corulers with him most of them are in heaven with him only a remnant are on planet Earth have organised one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

God's people are living as if they speak the same language {Zephaniah 3:9} because they all have the same line of thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

So the whole thing is gradually coming to an end now that an heavenly government headed by Christ Jesus has been established (New Heavens) and a global family of peace loving worshipers has been formed (New Earth) the only thing left now is for Jesus to bring his kingdom down to the Earth {Matthew 6:10} after all Satan, his cohorts (demons) and their human agents (politicians) have failed woefully to form a government that will unite their subjects as ONE!

See indoctrination!

You're just rapping vomiting what those useless pastors infused in your empty skull.
Why not include the scriptures to buttress your points?

Well this is what Christianity is all about:
Jesus is the vine planted by God {John 15:1} the day he died was the day Christianity was born because that's when the ultimate sacrifice to redeem mankind was offered {Luke 22:19} after his resurrection and ascension God's Holy Spirit was poured out on those who have agreed to work with him as his disciples {Act 2:1-4} the twelve Apostles are the branches of the vine {John 15:5} so anyone who wants to be saved must accept the teachings of the apostles {Act 2:42} all those attaching themselves to the apostles and following them are fruit of Christianity {Act 15:5} whoever fails to attach himself to the apostles by learning from them how to practice Christianity can't be a Christian! Zechariah 8:23

It's the activities of those following the teaching of the apostles that inhabitants of Antioch witnessed before calling them "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26

So it's based on a personal decision one can do all these but you can never ever be a Christian without this arrangement!

One of those taught by Jesus or his disciples must preach and teach you it's not just leaving one sect for another then thinking you're still worshipping the same God with the sect you left.


Of course there are many Gods as well as many Lords {1Corinthians 8:5} it's the call of Kumuyi's god you heard that's why you left your former religion to follow Kumuyi {Micah 4:5} you're spiritually deaf so you can't know why you aren't speaking for the gods of other sects except that of Kumuyi. So don't confuse yourself if you're sure of Born Again Christians in other sects you won't emphasize on just one.

FreedomfromtheT:
You can open your own thread and do as you wish.
Just to let you know - being a Christian is first of all a personal before a group thing. People are not Christians because of religious groups or association they belong.
You become a Christian by personal decision to repent from sin and accept Christ as Lord and personal Saviour.
You then join a Church or continue where you are worshipping if you are convinced they have the saving and keeping truth.
There are genuine and fake 'Christian' Assemblies hence diversities of doctrines. JWS is one of the fake ones.
Even among the genuine ones, there are diversities of administration and patterns of worship. What matters is the total Scriptural based saving and keeping truth being taught as well as the grace to live the Christian life by (majority of ) individual members starting from the leadership seen by all.

Wilgrea7:
Not a prerequisite for being a king

Please can anyone help this atheist to know that there's no sense in having a king who is incapable of making peace reign in his domain?

FreedomfromtheT:
You are entitled to your religious opinion, indoctrination and self-delusion. God knows those who are His and they know themselves because each has the regenerating life transforming experience through Christ the Saviour (2nd Timothy 2:19).

The true God is not in support of CONFUSION! 1Corinthians 14:33

That's why Jesus emphasized on oneness in thought {John 17:22} his disciples were never divided in their doctrines like what you have today! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

So it's not about indoctrination but the truth according to God's word.

Back to the topic of discussion:
If you know that Born Again Christians will be hated generally and several churches have Born Again Christians in their gathering it's senseless singling out one sect and asking why people hate them!

FreedomfromtheT:
There are lots of born again Christians across various Christian denominations and I personally know a lot of them. I singled out Deeper Life Bible Church Christians for a purpose. If you have problems with that, there are no apologies.

One religion out of tens of thousands having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines then claiming they all have Born Again in their midst.
Ọmọ let me leave you in your self deception!

Davidsol:
Hello friends! Can we consider Judas Iscariot as a case study to make sense of this topic?

Remember Judas Iscariot was among the 12 disciples, a minister, and not financial supporter of the gospel. The power to be in charge of the treasury was vested on him by our Lord Jesus Christ.

But according to John 12:4-6, it was recorded that Judas Iscariot was a hypocrite, pretended to care for the poor, whereby he's the thief, wanting more, and eventually betrayed Jesus Christ to achieve his greedy intention.

Conclusively, is it not ideal I'm like Joseph of Arimathea, as it was prophesied, sponsored the burial of our Lord Jesus Christ (the works of the gospel). Matthew 27:57-60, Mark 15:42-64, Luke 23:50-53, John 19:38-42.

If I may ask, should a Christian not love making good money...?

Please, let us contribute to this topical issue.

Joseph of Arimathea was a wealthy man and well respected he might be from a rich family so don't think it's after he became a Christian that he started making money.
Moreover Jesus' burial place is immaterial since he will resurrected and his body won't be there after the third day.
So instead of imitating Joseph of Arimathea who was a disciple in secret {John 19:38 compare to Matthew 10:33} why not imitate Peter, Paul, James, John who were publicly known as zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word in their neighborhood?

Wilgrea7:
Care to enlighten me on how you arrived at this conclusion?
I never tried to use the multiplicity of gods as a way to invalidate anyone's existence. If you want to claim your god is the creator of the universe and thus the arbiter of the moral laws within it, then you need to prove it.
To use your king analogy, prove that person A is indeed the "king" as he claims to be.

Insincerity is killing you!

No king can be happy when his subjects aren't living peacefully among themselves.

The one and only true God should ensure that peace reigns among His own worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} even though they're speaking different languages they will have understanding among themselves! Zephaniah 3:9

But false Kings will not bother when those who supposed to be their subjects are killing one another! Revelation 6:3-4

WHY? Because they have no prospect for subjects that aren't their own.
So there are many unseen supernatural beings presenting themselves to humans as God {1Corinthians 8:5} since they have nothing to offer their worshipers are confused and in the face of politics and racism they will raise weapons to kill one another whereas the true God will settle all disparities among His own worshipers {Isaiah 2:4} using His active force not military might {Zechariah 4:6} to unite them as ONE! John 17:22

I have challenged you several times to request worshipers of those Gods you're saying to come and prove how real is their God but you always dodge facts!

AntiChristian:
An elder answers questions or at least keeps shut if he doesn't know!

Undiluted truth!

Your thread is titled:

Why do many people hate deeperlife?

FreedomfromtheT:
I know why real born again Christians are hated by unbelievers and persecutors.

FreedomfromtheT:
I don't know what you are trying to insinuate.
There are born again Christians in Deeper Life Bible Church and many other Christian Assemblies and I personally know many of them.Thanks.

If you're not lying to your own souls your question should be:
Why are BORN AGAIN Christians hated?

Since you said:

"There are born again Christians in Deeper Life Bible Church and many other Christian Assemblies and I personally know many of them"

FxMasterz:
All I want the Atheists to know is that Someone higher than man set the moral laws that are universally accepted by man. Laws are enacted and promulgated. They're never self existing. This alone is a strong argument against Atheism. This is also further strengthened by the fact that, the entire universe, not just man, operates according to set laws and rules. Scientists discovered those laws. They didn't set them. Man didn't set the laws of the universe. Someone higher than man did.

They think humans gradually develop from lesser creatures but then how come we choose to be orderly in whatever we do?

Of all the creatures on this planet only humans continue to improve in everything we do.
WHY?
We were created in the image of God! Genesis 1:26
We can't cohabit in peace successfully without standards and the One who has the right to set such standard is the SUPREME BEING: GOD!

FreedomfromtheT:
I know why real born again Christians are hated by unbelievers and persecutors.

Why do many people hate deeperlife?

So there are no Born Again Christians in other sects claiming Christians shey?

FxMasterz:
Moral laws are unwritten universal laws. Everyone automatically knows what's morally wrong or right. That means, a universal entity who created the space we occupy galvanized those laws into our existence.
Moral laws are not man-made. Therefore, there's an entity higher than man.

Humans supposed to distinguish between evil and good because we were created in the image of God {Genesis 1:26} but due to sin we have fallen below God's glory {Romans 3:23} hence we need a counselor {Isaiah 9:6} to connect us with our heavenly father {John 14:6} without this our sinful nature will continue to distort our thinking ability no matter how kind-hearted we may be. Romans 7:15-25

POLITICS was introduced by Satan so that those following Satan's idea will always like to rule over others as demigods {Genesis 3:4-5} that's the beginning of mankind's woes.
Satan's agents have set their own standards and infused it in the brains of their subjects.

If you observe carefully you will notice that toddlers from different races, cultures, language whether rich or poor mingle together as ONE but by the time they begin attending schools (Satan's set-up to infuse his standard in their brains) things begin to change, those former toddlers who don't have any reason to discriminate will start accepting prejudice as normal.

Well that's why Jesus of Nazareth said:

"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.” Luke 18:17

So we supposed to know what is good and what is evil but after growing up under Satan's system i'm sorry billions have lost that sense!

Image123:
i don't have such interest, i am a man of peace.

FreedomfromtheT:
You can go ahead and fire your guns as it were.
Let's see if God will allow the bullets to touch His anointed and chosen ones.

Jesus told his disciples:

"I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world" John 17:14

Real Christians know WHY the world hate us so if you don't know then it simply means you're not one of Jesus' true disciples!

I purposely came to this particular thread due to the way you came typing gibberish about JWs the other day. If members of your church are hated and you don't know why then you're not on the same page as Jesus' true disciples!

There's no reason for members of other religions to hate members of your religion since you all teach the same thing!

Atheism is the result of falsehood in religion!

Only one religion belongs to God so Satan who doesn't want anyone to believe (trust) God is the one behind the rest, he spread lots of lies about God so when a sane person sits down to think many questions will start coming into the heart and since the answers are far fetched the confused individual will conclude:
There is no God!

Please don't misconstrue professed atheists with deceptive individuals who claims that God exist but whose actions is saying otherwise! Psalm 14:1 compare to 2Timothy 3:5

Many atheists are sincere individuals they're only lost due to the lies and contradictions that characterized false religions in which most found themselves! Revelation 12:9

Steep:
without the concept of God there is no absolutely right and wrong.

Of course without the supreme authority there can never be absolute right or wrong!

Happiness doesn't come from how much you have but a secret thing of the heart!

Many are wealthy and they can afford whatever they want but inwardly they're not happy because they keep thinking of the day they will leave everything they accumulated and return to Mr or Mrs Nothing lying there in their grave alone! 1Timothy 6:7

So the happiness that's inwardly depends on the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen! Hebrews 11:1

According to the same book people back then live up to 800-900 years so other children of Adam may decide to avenge the death of their brother because both Adam and Eve must live with the pain that Abel was killed by Cain!

Steep:
You cannot be an atheist and have an objective morality meaning morality values that is true to everyone regardless of region, tribe, race or gender? Meaning you cannot say murder, lying, fraud, cheating, or any vice is objectively wrong but that does not mean that atheists are not moral only that they have no basis to say this or that is absolutely wrong.

Of course they will claim there is basis but the problem is they don't know why there must be basis for morality since each of them want to be absolutely free without restraint!

Instead of partnering with Christ Jesus on what to preach and teach, each religion has their teaching and doctrines so you can't argue and win the owners of a particular doctrine because it belongs to them.
But then what is the benefit of the doctrine?

All religious beliefs and doctrines can be liken to different THEORIES so no matter how you argue each religionist will be battle prepared to die with the theory of his religion. That's why all those claiming Abrahamic faith point to Abraham as the foundation of their faith but they all have different doctrines.

Next thing to consider if theories sounds familiar is PRACTICAL APPLICATION, this is how to apply what the theory (doctrine) says. Most religions ends here because they have no practical application to buttress their claims so there's nothing to present as acts having to do with their professed faith.

The final and indisputable key to wisdom is BENEFITS, there must be something to benefit while applying what your religion teaches in a practical sense.

So instead of arguing fruitlessly on doctrines Jesus of Nazareth said it's needless just go straight to the BENEFITS that's undeniable before all observers.
No false religion can produce what is beneficial for real! Matthew 7:16-18