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The only reason why i personally left Islam is the fact that Muslims can't vouch for Allah as Allah can do whatever pleases him according to the Qur'an.
So how can i stand arguing over what a person who can't be trusted does?
Abraham vouch for the true God challenging Him to His face saying:
"it's unthinkable of you to do that"
But if this God can do and undo without any standard guiding His actions how can Abraham the father of all those having faith in the true God challenge God directly like that?

So when a Muslim is arguing i just keep quiet because misinformed churchgoer also believe their God has no standard guiding His actions He can send anyone to speak to them or approach them in anyway. So i just stay away from such arguments because our own God is not mysterious we can tell people what He can do and what He will never do!

Aemmyjah:
Pls ask him o
People that find fault wit God's judgment
Awon intelligent, critical minded folks

They think everything must be in letters!

Abraham told God:

"How can you destroy both the wicked and the good so that both of them end up the same way? I know you too well it's unthinkable of you to do such" Genesis 18:23, 25

These people think it's moimoi to be a faithful servant of God, they don't know that it involves trust and you can't trust someone if you can't vouch for him!

LikeAking:
Is it written that way?
I can't think on this one, I wasn't a part of that civilization.

It's not about civilization i'm talking about the same God whose standard doesn't change.
As His beloved worshipers we can tell you how He feels.
It's unthinkable for Him to sentence two adults to death for consenting to do what is evil then change or lessen the penalty for a criminal who forced himself on a married woman to bring her shame!

LikeAking:
You think I am illiterate abi..
We are talking about rape here, not adultery..
Adultery means they both consented..

If both must be stoned to death for consenting what do you think of the person who forced the other without his/her consent?

LikeAking:
Show me a portion in the Bible to back up ya claims.

Leviticus 20:10

LikeAking:
What if na person wife?

"VIRGIN" means the female has not been given to any man as wife but if she's the wife of a man she must be stoned to death along with the rapist unless she was raising her voice calling for help.

So a man who raped a married woman will be stoned to death in Israel!

FRANCISTOWN:
Ọmọ you became a Christian due to what others around you are saying so, you were influenced by what they think, say and do!
And not because you've tasted God yourself

You're partially right, in what sense?
I became one of Jehovah's Witnesses through the preaching and teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses but that's not what kept me waxing strong in the faith rather it's the fulfilment of what God promised in His word that strengthened me!

God has made so many promises in that book and i'm seeing it live so i have no reason to doubt the existence of the person who made those promises and using His active force to make sure it comes to reality.

So even though i can't see God i'm seeing His fine works.
Ọmọ that's the assured expectations of what i hope for as Jehovah's Witnesses (imperfect humans from different races throughout the world) are demonstrating this things bringing it to live even though i can't see the one who said it! Hebrews 11:1

FRANCISTOWN:
@Any child who grows up amidst atheists will also be an atheist. It's not rocket science.


@I didn't become an atheist due to what others are saying around me.

Please can you correlate this two contradicting sentences?

The first you said all children are influenced by those around them so if you're always in the gathering of atheists you will be an atheist!

The second say you didn't become an atheist due to what others are saying around you!

Are you the same person saying the two?

DyshApp:
Well said, these are some of the things we discussed last week, we talked about how God has played a significant role in our lives and how some of the things he did was not even noticed, that's why they say count your blessing, we invite you to join us every Thursday at 8pm on Dysh(online) lets have a wonderful session together!

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses we have just One source of divine guidance that is why we speak in harmony throughout the world {John 17:22} i only came to share with you what i've learned from my teachers who taught me the things Christ commanded! Matthew 28:20

So we don't attend religious sessions with any other group except our own gathering.
Thanks for showing appreciation, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Whoever feels Jehovah's Witnesses aren't getting things right should get to work and do the will of their God we are doing the will of our God!

tete7000:
You are just funny. Jesus used the word " I AM" and the Jews wanted to stone him for blasphemy for equating himself with God. I AM was the name God gave to Moses on Mt, Horeb when God called him to go and save the Israelites and he asked what name he should deliver the God's message to Israelites: Jesus came, used the same phrase to refer to himself, they picked to wanted to pebble him but he escaped. They wanted to dish to him punishment reserve in the old testament for those who blaspheme. I often wonder which scripture you people read, it definitely can't be the same one every sane one of us read.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Ex.3:14

It's the translation you're using that makes the verse complicated in actual sense what Jesus meant is:
"Before Abraham i exist"
capitalizing on what God said to Moses:
"I will prove to be whom i will prove to be" that was rendered
"I am that I am" in your version doesn't apply to Jesus!

tete7000:
You guys can keep denying the truth, it's a free world when we leave here you will come face to face with all the truths you have refused to believe.

According to God's word there is nothing God has to do with the dead He will destroy all evildoers but keeping them afterwards is totally contrary to His will!

tete7000:
Thomas made an error in amazement and Jesus, the truth, the way and life let that error go through without correcting it, even when he knew the damage it could caused later? When he knew the misinterpretation it can be given needing you to help you correct it? You guys can sound very ridiculous but I understand, you are not allowed to think anything through. You regurgitate everything you are told and you aren't allow to use your brain to philosophise and reason.

My friend from ìlàjẹ (Ondo State) exclaimed "Ayélála!" when someone jumped out from the window of a moving bus.
"Ayélála" means "God" in that language.
Please who was he calling God at that scene?

FreedomfromtheT:
Thank you.

You're welcome!

Of course he has returned and taken all those sleeping in death among his anointed brothers while the rest must complete their earthly course before leaving our planet the difference is that such ones won't spend a minute in their grave unlike his brothers who have been sleeping in death since the first century!

nikky5:
So, always check up why your prayers have not been answered. God still answers prayers.

Of course the God of Abraham always answer prayers but the one praying must do so according to His will {1John 5:14} most people are just being credulous thinking God must hear all their prayers but God's son (Jesus Christ) has taught us both in words and actions that his father only answer prayers that goes along with His will! Luke 22:42
Anyone praying with a view to selfish cravings should know that such prayers stays within his roof God has no business with such prayers!

Lukuluku69:
Read what a Dunce post? I don't have to because I know the stuff you are made off.
So, respect your the agreement you had with your self and ease of the mention.

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni i mentioned names doesn't mean i'm interested in chatting with you so stop been childish and face your accuser!

tete7000:
Scripture tell you that two shall become one!

Jesus also said that his father, himself and millions of his disciples shall become ONE! John 17:22
That give the illustration a wider meaning.

tete7000:
And Jesus didn't tell you that I have to return to the father so that the advocate can come?

The advocate is God's active force not a person Jesus referred to it as advocate because through its works honest hearted and sincere Jews can see that God is no longer interested in Judaism rather Christianity is the way! Act 2:1-37

tete7000:
If Jesus is not God, why then did he say before Abraham's was I am(Jn.8:58)?

Jesus WAS God {John 1:1} just as Moses WAS God {Exodus 7:1} both of them served as God at a point in time but they both give all glory and honour to the One who sent them, that's why the scriptures say God will send another prophet to Israel like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} because both of them served as prophets and at the same time Gods.
The difference here is that Jesus lived in heaven with other spirit sons of God so he existed before Adam! Proverbs 8:22-31

tete7000:
Why didn't he rebuke Thomas when he called him "My Lord and my God(Jn.20:28)"after touching his wounds.

Thomas wasn't referring to Jesus his Lord and God rather he said that in amazement just as people often does whenever they see what amazed them. For instance when someone see what amazed him he may shout "oh my God" that doesn't mean he is referring to what he saw as God.

Why not use this analogy to help those saying it to become zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word like Jehovah's Witnesses? James 2:18-26

tete7000:
Think about a family of three - father, mother and the child. By virtue of marriage, father and mother are two entities but one body; the child born out of the union can be said to be equally of the same stock as the parent. Now think of a situation where the three are perfect beings, whatever one upholds, the others do, to see and hear from the mother or son will be equal to hearing from the father because they will never contradict themselves.
So in marriage you have three distinct personalities with hierarchy but same in substance and dignity, the three are humans.

This analogy can to some extent help you comprehend trinity. When next JW come with argument against trinity, ask them how is it possible in marriage to have two become one.

FreedomfromtheT:
It was Jesus Christ who gave the invitation in Revelations 3:20. Responding to Christ's invitation is same as receiving Him as Lord and personal Saviour.
You can read it again and either believe it or continue to hold on to the interpretation your 'New World Translation' or JWS 'Apostles' gave it.

"Look! I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into his house and take the evening meal with him and he with me." Revelation 3:20

Please where did Jesus ask anyone to accept him as PERSONAL LORD and SAVIOUR in this verse?

Guy i'm not here to outshine you but know that when next you come in contact with JWs try to humble yourself and learn.

Neither Jesus nor any of his disciples asked anyone to accept him as personal Lord and saviour so if you're ready to learn Jehovah's Witnesses are in your neighbourhood i know you're feeling uncomfortable with the way i've been establishing the truth using God's word but if you want to continue in your arrogance it's OK.

Jesus can't save people without accurate knowledge and it's not automatic you must be with his true disciples to learn from them not going to one so called pastor thinking he knows it all.

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

It's idolatry asking for how a prophet of God looks like, they're not like false religious title chiefs of today that people keep their pictures in their homes.
What we need from them is the message they were sent to deliver not their look!

ooong:
Here, we need to ask the classic question. [1]Where do people come from?
[2]Where are we going?
[3]Can anyone answer that?

Most people asking such question aren't sincere that's why they can't find satisfying answers.

[1] Where do people come from?
Before we can answer that we need to ask:
Why is it that only humans think of their future when there are millions of creatures on our planet?
Only humans keep improving in the way we do things all other creatures has continued to live the same way their ancestors lived and died.
So if we can answer that then we will proceed to the next question:
How did we get here?
I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, if you really care to know get a copy of the book called Bible and let's figure it out together!

Emusan:
Where did Jesus or any apostles talk about 1914? Hypocrite!
You pick up that slogan from where?

That's not a slogan but teaching of a religious sect so they can't ask you if you believe it since you've not studied the Bible with them in other to agree on the doctrine.

Emusan:
Did apostles of Jesus call Him their Lord and Saviour?

Among themselves after studying (observing) him for a long time {Matthew 16:13-16} they won't go about asking members of other religions if they have accepted their own teaching without prior agreement.

Emusan:
Is it wrong to say to accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour?

YES! It is wrong because it's after studying the Bible together that people come to agreement not just asking someone from another religion if he has accepted what you believe without any agreement on what the scripture say!

Emusan:
Did Jesus say He is the Lord and Saviour of the world?

NO! Jesus can only save those believing in him and acting on his instructions not everyone so he is Lord only over his own disciples that's why those who never believe him slapped and spat on his face. Surely none of his disciples can do that to him because to them Jesus is Lord!

Emusan:
The scripture has been provided, so why can't you answer the simple question if Jesus is your Lord and Saviour..

I won't answer you because you and i are talking about different Jesus, before i can agree on what you're saying we must agree to n what Jesus commanded then we can both talk about how to carry out the orders of our Lord. But since we aren't agreeing on terms and conditions of worship keep your Jesus while i keep mine!

Emusan:
The scriptures he has been quoted since were they from watchtower booklets?
Jesus says "you'll receive power after the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you shall be MY WITNESS..."

Who are WITNESSES of someone?
Are they those shouting his name using various slogans or those acting on his orders? Matthew 7:21-23 compare to Matthew 15:8

FreedomfromtheT:
Jesus Christ is the only Lord and Saviour.
Revelations 3:20 says "Behold I (Christ) stand at the door and know: if any person (sinner) hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and sup with him, and he with me".
Opening the door of one's heart for Christ to come in is same as receiving Him as Lord and Saviour.
If your indoctrinated heart and dogma as a JWS member doesn't see it that way, it is a pity.

This is not what i asked you!

You people just pick up a slogan and start parroting it as if any servant of God taught it in the Bible.
In the congregation of God each member must see Christ Jesus as his owner who bought him at a high cost so when Jesus gives orders anyone who doesn't join others in carrying out Jesus' order is lying to his own soul that's what the scriptures teaches not that you will just walk up to someone without any agreement on what Jesus commanded then start asking if such a person has accepted Jesus as Lord.
If you're not a dummy i have been quoting Jesus ever since i came to this thread telling you what he commanded and how to carry out his orders you're only quoting verses that has nothing to do with Jesus' order then claiming Kumuyi this Kumuyi that.
Can you quote anywhere in all my posts where i quoted anyone apart from Jesus?
Well that's what it means to accept Jesus as Lord not just calling him Lord! Lord! Without knowing or carrying out his orders! Matthew 7:21-23

FRANCISTOWN:
There is no "Non-Religious" section on Nairaland. The religion section is for both the Religious and the Non Religious.
Likewise I can't really wrap my head around how many who say they were once drunkards , prostitutes or armed robbers also target their message of salvation to the sect that they've left behind. You see, what's good for Greece is also sauce for Uganda.

Ọmọ they have a reason calling those who still live debased lives because the God they believe ordered them to speak with others and make disciples {Matthew 28:18-20} so they're hoping to be repaid for what they're doing. Hebrews 11:6
But what reason does atheists have coming to the religious section if not hypothetically returning to what they claim they've left behind?
Well let me show you why atheists are always here:
The true God foretold a time when humans will feel like something is wrong with what their fellow man believes {Malachi 3:16} some like you will only wish to argue preferring no solution while God's servants will continue to give you a reason to believe in the solution God foretold {Malachi 3:18} of course atheism will outsmart people like you who aren't worshipers of the true God in the first place but before any school of thought we will prove that we are of higher intelligence! Isaiah 54:17

You should have noticed how difficult it is to beat JWs when it comes to power of reasoning because we will calmly show you the truth about faith which you never knew when you were still with the churches of Christendom!

GRAILMESSAGE:
Showing the way to live aright in a world filled with darkness

Well if that's what you meant then i will say it's selfishness coupled with greed!

The light is pure (Holy) and friends of holiness detests seeing their fellow man suffering in fact they want everyone to live equally just as our Creator wanted {Micah 4:4} no one will be a servant or slave to another.
But all those promoting this wicked system of things or nursing it in their mind can't be friends of the light. Don't think because someone is retched that means he's good because many are poor but in their mind they're only anticipating when their turn will come to trample on their fellow man {Luke 22:25-27} and don't think someone is wicked because he's rich, many only have the money but they're not happy seeing their fellow man always suffering for food in fact they hate injustice! Job 31:1

JasonScoolari:
See how your life has turned out to be.

You're insulting Obi on every thread but will come on the religion section to beg for 3k and 7k from FRANCISTOWN

So he's even a politician!

HappyPagan:
I see. Thanks for your contribution.

You're welcome!

MightySparrow:
You are just rantio. You have not explained, tasting of the power of the world to come.
A thousand boycotting the question is not equal to the answer.
JWs are wrong self acclaimed teachers. It is funny when you harass people to learn nonsense from deluded people.
Give answer nah!

If you're not a dummy how can lies be taste of the power of the world to come?
Jesus will heal all mankind so that all those in his domain will be cured completely not some lies where your Papa will do tricks then tell others inside the same church that they don't have faith after coming from far distance in search of the miracles you people lied about?

Bàbá the power is all about PEACE throughout the earth under God's kingdom and Jehovah's Witnesses are enjoying it today as we're enjoying a spiritual Paradise where none of us feel like killing his neighbour talkless killing our fellow believers due to politics and racism as you people often do and promote among you!

FRANCISTOWN:
Well I've said the honest truth... Whatever you think or conclude in your mind is basically all on you. Since you are me, you can tell me how I became an atheist then

That's what you're programmed to say but in reality humans are born blank everything you are doing was inculcated (indoctrinated as you were told by white atheists) in your brains.
But prove me wrong by keeping little babies in the same place with little dogs or goats or pigs make sure they're not spoken to neither should anyone give them any sign on how to do things like humans then you will know that everything you have in your brains now were inculcated (indoctrinated) not what you developed all by yourself.
Ọmọ you became an atheist due to what others around you are saying so you were influenced by what they think, say and does!

HappyPagan:
You'd find most atheists this forum here. There's no section dedicated to Philosophy... This is the closest we have to it.

So you'd see us here, not just for your religion, but for all religions.. Nigerian being so Christian and Muslim, most atheist here will come from such backgrounds. What should we criticize? amadioha who rarely features in government buildings?

All you guys should do is ask for a section that will be titled PHILOSOPHY after all Muslims asked for such i don't know why you guys can't ask for something similar if you don't really want to have anything to do with religion!

MisterBanny:
Pls help me if u are willing sir

Please how may i HELP you?

FRANCISTOWN:
What does "greater works shall ye do because I go unto my father" means then. And mind you, Jesus wasn't talking to his disciples, but to everyone who believes in him

Greater works

©Jesus only preach in his mother tongue (Hebrew language) today Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching in virtually all the religions on planet Earth!
©Jesus only preached within Israel Jehovah's Witnesses have reached almost all countries of the earth with the same message.
©Jesus was carrying scrolls to preach and teach Jehovah's Witnesses have used books, phones, tables and so on to preach and teach.
©Jesus only tell stories that his listeners can't see Jehovah's Witnesses have used videos and pictures to preach and teach what God's kingdom will bring.
©Jesus only preached for three and a half years Jehovah's Witnesses has been preaching and teaching consistently since 1919 until now.
©Jesus only managed to erase the use of weapons from the heart of his Jewish disciples and made them like brothers Jehovah's Witnesses have erased the use of weapons from the heart of over 8 millions throughout the earth today.

YES! We've done GREATER WORKS than what Jesus did in his time!

FRANCISTOWN:
To the core sir
Who fed Christianity and Islam to the black man? Is Christianity an African religion?

Religion is a global thing, people adopt ideas of how to do things better for benefits for instance throughout the world people travel using animals like donkeys, horses, camels or elephants but when someone invented a better means everyone from all over the earth buys the invention the same applies to religion. Globally people believe in Gods but when they realized that the Israelites have the true God everyone wants to become a worshiper of the God of Israel. So it's nothing new!

FRANCISTOWN:
Now this is where you theists niggas get it all wrong. Y'all be thinking atheism is some foreign ass shit, but I'ma tell you something.
Atheism in fact unlike religions is the natural way of living life. A baby's mind is born blank and blind. The baby begins to see through the eyes of the society.
Atheism is not a believe in disbelief, atheism in fact is a disbelieve in belief
Nobody can teach you to disbelieve anything. That's why you don't see atheists hold crusades or house to house evangelism.
Atheism is not a foreign ideology. Atheism is nature, because that's the way every living human came into the world.
Lemme tell you something, see religion as bleaching. Atheism is the natural skin color. No matter how much you bleach,you can't have a tone of a natural color.
And that's why you see atheists don't stress shit. Nobody brought atheism like Christianity and Islam. Atheism is a self realization of the world around you and how things are.

You don't have to go too far my guy.
When a child is born with blank brains you will teach the child so many things:
How to walk, talk, clean, cover his unclothedness, read, write, eat with cutleries, cook food, work for food and interact with neighbours.
Why not leave the child without teaching him all these and see how the child develops all this all by himself if you keep him away from others who may influence his thinking ability?
Ọmọ the same applies to the knowledge about a supreme being. That's why you can't find any race throughout the earth no matter how primitive they are they must have a religion!

FRANCISTOWN:
Curiosity led me to Atheism.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself!
Your ancestors believe in the existence of God it's people who have interact with white atheists that influenced you to become an atheist just as your ancestors were influenced by those who had dealings with white religionists led them to change their religions!