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debosky:
Good we can agree on something.

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Whether they made it up or not does not influence the existence of the tomb, neither does the fact that the precise location is not known. Can you point out the grave of your great-great-great grandfather? If you can't, does that mean your father was never buried or didn't exist?

I will disagree with you here that the precise location is known. . .If it is known then it would have long been pointed out don't you think so?. . . .Remember this is said to be the tomb of the creator of the universe himself who came as a human being, the claim is quite extra ordinary you know. . .

It is irrelevant - that those two sites are not the tomb of Jesus has no bearing on the fact that the tomb exists.

It's like saying because I am neither in the US nor in Britain (where people allege I am) then I don't exist - it simply means no one knows exactly where I am.

Ok fair enough,I get what you are saying but still disagree, because we are not talking about an empty tomb here, we are talking about the tomb of the alleged creator of the universe who came in human form died and rose and ascended into heaven, the tomb of the Egyptian Pharaohs that lived thousands of years before Jesus are still there for all to see, even the tomb of men Mohammed and Herod are still there for all to see, I see no reason why the tomb of Jesus remains a mystery. . .

debosky:
So I should consider fraudulent information as correct? The mind boggles

What are you saying?. . .What I said is that it is the only one said to be found using archaeology, but even that has been shown or dismissed as fraudulent. . . .I don't believe it and am not saying you should believe it. . .Just saying that even the one said to be found using archaeology was found to be fraudulent. . .That's all

And you call yourself a scientist?

Because the Catholics and Greek Orthodox can't agree on the location of the tomb doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Its not that they can't agree, its because they made it all up. . pls google them up. . . .The church of the holy sepulchre for example was said to be the tomb of Jesus based on the shady claims of a church father who lived in the 4th century hundred of years after the alleged death of Jesus. . . .If it exist then pls where is it?. . .

Just as you claim to have no evidence to back up its existence, you also have no evidence to back up it's non existence.

There is really no evidence to show that the two sites believed to be the tomb of Jesus are his. . .Again google the two sites and the controversies surrounding them. . .

debosky:
You are either quite unintelligent and not able to comprehend simple sentences or you are a mendacious rabble rouser.

Your beloved article says this:  Mr Cameron's claim has been attacked by archaeologists and theologians as unfounded.Archaeologists said that the burial cave was probably that of a Jewish family with similar names to that of Jesus.

James Cameron is simply a movie producer seeking to increase his sales.

Learn to understand before ejaculating. . . .The one claimed to exist by recent archaelogical find even though fraudulent is the one by James Cameron. . .

Secondly, how can you say there are two empty tombs that are referenced and say that no such tomb exists? It seems the reality is that your mind is also an empty tomb.

What I mean is that the real tomb of jesus does not exist any where because two sects of christains( the catholics and the Greek orthodox ) have two tombs that are believed to be the tomb of jesus based on some sloopy church tradition that have no evidence to back it up and nothing else. . .

harakiri:
Na so e suppose be. Nawtin do we. If 2 say dis site bin get PM, i for drop fb and bb contacts but me no know how to do am. If man pikin try am opendential, na im be say i dey invite "Repent! Give your life to Christ! !God loves you! ! !" spam messages everyday. How e go be?

No worry, when time reach i go open a new email address cos i no wan drop my real email address for here, then you go send mail to the email address and i go give u my contact. . .U sef go open email and let me know the email u will be using to reply my mail cos i once dropped a new email here and received 3 mails all claiming to be the person i dropped the email for . . .Didn't reply any of the mails but ended up meeting the person i wanted to meet through another means. . . .

harakiri:
I just dey men. Another weekend for Naija. You know as e dey go na. Wetin troway you reach SK? Biz or Vac?

Na biz ohh, vacation for where? the people here are cold jare, i no dey feel them, but the place fine die sha them get cool places for here no lie. . . Paper chasing man, no where paper no dey carry man enter na. . .We suppose hook up ohh if i enter naija. . .Will buzz you when am in town i suppose enter for december. . .

harakiri:
@mazaje

Why are you doing this to yourself? You'd be better off trying to catch a blue whale with a fishing line out in the Atlantic ocean. It's pointless man (and you know it).

Am just bantering with the guy, cos am somewhere in south korea and the place is just so boring, when ever i get into my room i use this to past some time before watching some movies. . .You know me na. . . .Going back to my base tomorrow so am signing out man. . .how u dey?

vedaxcool:
Keep Crying .   .     .we need more it let me show you : "Bla bla bla sheep. . . . Bla bla bla sheep. . .Have you any wool. . ." that is how intelliegnt you are, at least you got the first part of the nusery rhythm right! 

Bla bla bla bla sheep. . . .

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Video evidence is all we asked for! [b]Be honest we no you have no ethics you live, your statement continues to indict you, and exposes the fraud atheism is all about[/size]   

So atheism is a fraud yet your fellow muslims brothers and sisters are running away from Islamic countries like that have ethics to live by like Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Bangladesh etc in droves to come and join us in the Scandinavia and the fraud we are all about eh? We we all have no ethics but they are dying to get here to better their lives, eh?. . .Interesting. . .So it is only the religious that have ethics, yet Nigeria which happens to be one of the most religious country remains one of the most corrupt and unethical places to live on earth eh?. . .Interesting. . .

Keep moving in circles, I have made my point very clear!   

That you do not understand what the bible is talking about right. . . .Nice point indeed. . .

When would this pseudo-Junkie learn to argue sensibly? Christian do not have the original bible, unless you are too high to know what original means, even Christians scolars vast in the knowledge of scriptural criticism have long confessed that the bible had been altered over the years. 

Ok agreed Christians do not have the original bible, where did Allah hide the original bible? Or was it also eaten by the goat that ate part of the koran in aisha's room?. . . Pls tell. . .

The question was about the bible, we would expect any rational individual to address what was raised but dealing with a mediocre who deludes himself that he has one million dollars stashed somewhere one would not have expect any sane response, it is like asking how can i get to Aso rock then a 1 million dollars genius tells you how to get to the white house, such response we all agree is an indication of mental illness and low intellect .  .  .    , man this one expression i love in NL

The question is also about the koran, you say that christians do not have the original bible as if muslims also have the original koran, you listed some scholars that agreed that the bible has been tempered with, and I did the same , I also listed some scholars that stated that the original koran is no where to be found. . .Keep crying about my wealth e be like say the thing dey pain you, all you need to do is work hard, with some little luck and the right connections you can also have a million dollars. . .

Lied about what precisely that you called yourself a fo-ol or in capital letters FO-OL or that you low intellect that cannot be consistent with any form of rational argument? I still maintain:Yes, you may as well say Obama is Osama uncle, that would be more believable, a man that spends his whole Life in Nl can not possibly have a million dollars ,unless one that does illegal activities, you remind me of this corrupt Hausa politicians who are only good in stealing from the country and then passing their proceeds to their delinquent children  who end up using it in living a wayward life or stashing it abroad   

Nope, you lied that I spend my entire life on NL and as such can not have a million dollars. . .Your evidence to show that I spend all my life on NL is what?. . .

Lets see what you really wrote:

What ever. . .You said that muslims have long proved their false hood against the bible yet there are more christians than muslims. . .
Being too intelligent for his frail intellect i gave a simpler answer

You didn't give any answer because I never asked you anything about the atheist, the question was about christians and muslims not about any atheist, I didn't say anything about the atheist, remember you said that "
we would expect any rational individual to address what was raised but dealing with a mediocre who deludes himself that he has one million dollars stashed somewhere one would not have expect any sane response, it is like asking how can i get to Aso rock then a 1 million dollars genius tells you how to get to the white house

let me play your games too. . .Live by your words, and stop addressing what was not raised. . .

and there are more theist than atheist .   .   .

now sensing the foolishne%ss of his question he immediately turned round and say:

Christians have long proved their false hood against the koran. . . .

Is it a lie, the christians have long proved their false hood against the koran. . . .

when you read the above it becomes clear who lacks basic understanding of anything, the mediocre whose argument is consistently inconsistent is too beneath me in terms of gray matter that dealing with him makes him look like a Junkie indeed! 

When will you stop raving and displaying your lunatic credentials all over the thread?. . .  . . . .

Do i take this ignoramus to task? or should I spare his often daft comments?

Lets see who the ignoramous really is. . .

EL: God ("mighty, strong, prominent" used 250 times in the OT See Gen. 7:1, 28:3, 35:11; Nu. 23:22; Josh. 3:10; 2 Sam. 22:31, 32; Neh. 1:5, 9:32; Isa. 9:6; Ezek. 10:5. El is linguistically equivalent to the Arabic "Allah," [size=16pt]but the attributes of Allah in Islam are entirely different from those of the God of the Hebrews as we know[/size]

The part you highlighted stated says it is linguistically equivalent to the Arabic "Allah it then goes to talk about what every body knows except the deluded that have their heads buried in the sand that the attributes of Allah in islam is ENTIRELY different to those of the God of the Hebrews , meaning they are NOT the same God. . . .Learn to read and understand what before posting stuffs, cos its clear you did not even read what you posted, if you did you wouldn't have posted it. . .

Elah is Aramaic, "god." Elah appears in the Hebrew Bible in Jer. 10:11 (which is in Aramaic, and is plural, "gods". In Daniel (the Aramaic sections) Elah is used both of pagan gods, and of the true God, also plural. Elah is equivalent to the Hebrew Eloah which some think is dual; Elohim is three or more. The gods of the nations are called "elohim." The origin of Eloah is obscure. Elohim is the more common plural form of El. Eloah is used 41 times in Job between 3:4 and 40:2, but fewer than 15 times elsewhere in the OT.

This can NOT be the same as Allah of the koran, because according to the claims of muslims arabic is the only language, and islam is the only religion, that has given the personal name of God which is Allah, the name according to islam can not be used for other Gods which are lesser because it is the personal name of God as revealed by islam alone. . .Elah is used both for pagan Gods in the bible so it can not be Allah because according to the koran, it says that "Do you know anyone who can be named along with Him?" (19:65). . . .Allah is NOT Elah and not the same with the God of the bible as the link you provided from wikipedia stated. . .

The Semitic root ʾlh (Arabic ʾilāh, Aramaic 'alāh, 'elāh, Hebrew 'elōah) may be ʾlu with a parasitic h. In Ugaritic the plural form meaning "gods" is ʾilhm, equivalent to Hebrew ʾelōhîm "gods". But in Hebrew this word is also regularly used for semantically singular "God" or "god".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28deity%29

According to islam the word Allah can not be used for pagan Gods. . Arabic is the only language, and islam is the only religion, that has given the personal name of God according to muslims as distinct from attributive names such as lord, almighty, the most high, etc which are all used in the bible over and over again to refer to Yahweh. . .

vedaxcool:
Keep Crying .   .     .

The person crying here is you. . .

Video evidence Please, Video evidence is all we ask save yourself the embarrassment! or in atheism is video equivalent to wikipedia?

The Koran makes an extra ordinary claims and fails to back it up with any extra ordinary evidence because baseless stories that have been shown to be false many times. . .If you read my first post I asked if you have any video evidence to show that any of the extra ordinary claims of the koran is true. . .When you provide the video evidence of an angle reciting the koranic verses to mohammed in the cave, i will provide my own video evidence remember i asked first. . .I asked if you have any video evidence for that extra ordinary claim because extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence. . .

thanks for proving my point that the bible is inconsistent, my pointing to the Jews not believing in the NT was not to befuddle you, rather it was to point to your dubious use of the word bible, as if to say they are all in the same boat, more to the point inconsistency lies everywhere in the bible, where even the criteria of making it to heaven differs from the OT to the NT, and until u bring video evidence of the paganism we will take such claims as the ranting of raving lunatic! have you notice your low iq, where even when an issue is about the bible, without addressing the issue you immediately follow up with allegations about the Qur'an, you keep proving my point that you are nowhere near being intellectual or able to prove your alleged rationality, which continues to prove my case that "life" wahala made you an atheist not as a result of any dignified research.

Firstly according to the bible Jesus was sent to the whole world. . . Its there in the bible, the bible also says that he will not be accepted by the Jews. . .And the way to salvation according to the bible is different in the OT and the NT the bible acknowledges that. . . .You talk about inconsistencies as if the koran is not riddled with inconsistencies. . .

When would this pseudo-Junkie learn to argue sensibly? Christian do not have the original bible, unless you are too high to know what original means, even Christians scolars vast in the knowledge of scriptural criticism have long confessed that the bible had been altered over the years.

When will Allah produce the original bible so that we can see what it looks like? Muslims also DO NOT have the original koran. . . So I really do not know what you are saying here. . .You accuse the christains of not having the original bible as if muslims have the original koran . . . .

Atleat I have gotten the atheist to defend the bible, I am going to reply this? No simply because the questions raised were not answered rather this pseudo-science, mediocre -extraordinaire is diverting attension from what is being discussed. Only mad people answer questions that were not asked.

Because it proves my point that there is NO original koran either, the koran has 7 different versions but they were all destroyed except one by uthman. . . Uthman was not a prophet and nobody knows whether he kept the valid and original koran or destroyed it? Nobody knows how he determined which one was the correct version of koran. . . .According to some hadith parts of the koran were eating by goats in aisha's room

It seems you have impaired vision as the question ws about the bible bringing the Qur'a into the mix shows the low deapths of intelligence usually associated with atheism!

Where is the original bible?. . .Where did Allah hide it?. . .Where is the original koran as well?. . .Where is the goat that eat part of the koran? So much for the word of the creator of the universe. . .A mythical book that parts of it is said to be eating by goats. . . . . .

Didn't  you say "Keep singing your self imaginary praises. . .Mr "superior intelligence". . . .Only a FOOOL sings himself praises, wise people will allow others to sing them praises. . . .The empty shells always make the loudest noise they say. . .So keep on keeping on. . "
making the Biggest fool of the decade, since you fail to adhere to your own foolsproof criteria, just as you have failed to adhere to your criteria of knowing the truth -VIDEO EVIDENCE.  after all your deliquient blabbings I still maintain Yes, you may as well say Obama is Osama uncle, that would be more believable, a man that spends his whole Life in Nl can not possibly have a million dollars ,unless one that does illegal activities, you remind me of this corrupt Hausa politicians who are only good in stealing from the country and then passing their proceeds to their delinquent children  who end up using it in living a wayward life or stashing it abroad

You lied that I spend my entire life on NL but according to my stats which can be seen by every body I have spent 66 days 8 hours in total here in 5 years and 5 months after registering. . .My posts total just 2.8 perday. . .If you do the maths you will see that I spend less than 30 mins here on NL each day on average so try another lie. . . .We can do the maths together. . .

and there are more theist than atheist .   .   .  I keep proving how unintelligent you actually are .  .   .

. . .What has that got to do with anything? You said that muslims have proven the falsehood of the bible and I asked yet there are more christians than muslims in the world?. . .

when you read the Arabic bible you will see it there, oh Ignorant one!

. . . After your Elah has been shown to be a lie, you now divert to Arabic bible eh?. . .You are truly a character that never fails to give. . .Thought you were trying to equate Elah to mean Allah until your lies were shown. .Elah is NOT Allah. . .Again where does the name Allah appear in the Hebrew bible?. . .

vedaxcool:
Yeah  , there goes my mediocre crying, cry mediocre, cry .  .   .

Bla bla bla sheep. . . .

video evidence! video evidence is all we are asking. some one tell this atheist to stop being hypocritical and use his own standard of judgement. 

All the Koran as every body knows (even a village shoe shiner) has all of its prophets are their stories lifted out of the bible. . . .Tell me just one prophet in the koran apart from mohammed whose story is not to be found in the bible. . . . From wikipedia. . . "According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, "The dependence of Mohammed upon his Jewish teachers or upon what he heard of the Jewish Haggadah and Jewish practices is now generally conceded."[16]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Quran

"illiterate", what did Jesus say about himself? I have been sent to the lost sheep of Israel .   .  .mind you mediocre Christian still hold that Jews are the chosen ones .  .  .and Jews do not accept the NT, unless you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about, I am sensing your deeply entrenched ignorance.

The same Jesus also said that go you into the world and make disciples of ALL nations baptising them in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit according to the bible. . .The Jews do not accept the Koran and all its distorted and plagiarized stories about their prophets so what exactly are you saying?. . . . .Talk about ignorance. . .

When would this pseudo-Junkie learn to argue sensibly? Christian do not have the original bible, unless you are too high to know what original means, even Christians scolars vast in the knowledge of scriptural criticism have long confessed that the bible had been altered over the years.

When will Allah provide the original bible and end this argument once and for all?. . .What you fail to talk about is that Muslims do not also have the original koran and that there are various version of the koran. . . .

Modern biblical criticism begins with the 17th century philosophers and theologians - Thomas Hobbes, Benedict Spinoza, Richard Simon and others - who began to ask questions about the origin of the biblical text, especially the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). They asked specifically who had written these books: according to tradition their author was Moses, but these critics found contradictions and inconsistencies in the text that, they claimed, made Mosaic authorship improbable. In the 18th century Jean Astruc (1684–1766), a French physician, set out to refute these critics. Borrowing methods of textual criticism already in use to investigate Greek and Roman texts, he discovered what he believed were two distinct documents within Genesis. These, he felt, were the original scrolls written by Moses, much as the four Gospel writers had produced four separate but complementary accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus. Later generations, he believed, had conflated these original documents to produce the modern book of Genesis, producing the inconsistencies and contradictions noted by Hobbes and Spinoza.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_criticism

you know when the issue of aurthorship of books in the OT came up, Christian scholars, kept writing the words probably, maybe, mostlikely etc to qualilify the allegde aurthors of those books, the question remains if you do not know who wrote what, then how would any sane individual claim such to be written by God?

The thing is that the Koran is NO better than the bible when it comes to authorship or originality. . .The authors of the Koran remain UNKNOWN till this day, just like the bible the koran ONLY claims to be the word of Allah. . . .No body knows where the original version of the koran is. . .After the death of mohammed there was a time when Uthman the third Caliph of Islam ordered to burn all the copies of koran except one. There were variations in text and recitation practice of at that time(koranic scholarssay Allah gave 7 or 10 different versions of it ) and so uthman took this step. According to koran and hadith, mohammed was the last prophet of Islam. accordinly uthman was not a prophet and nobody knows whether he kept the valid and original koran or destroyed it? Nobody knows how he determined which one was the correct version of koran. . . .

"John Wansbrough believes that the Qur'an is a redaction in part of other sacred scriptures, in particular the Judaeo-Christian scriptures.[3][4] In their book Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World, Patricia Crone and Michael Cook challenge the traditional account of how the Qur'an was compiled, writing that "there is no hard evidence for the existence of the Koran in any form before the last decade of the seventh century."[5] They also question the accuracy of some of the Qur'an's historical accounts. For example, professor Gerd R. Puin's study of ancient Qur'an manuscripts led him to conclude that the Qur'an is a "cocktail of texts", some of which may have been present a hundred years before Muhammad.[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Quran#Historical_authenticity

So much for the authenticity of the koran. . Where is the original bible and the original koran?. . . .

Yes, you may as well say Obama is Osama uncle, that would be more believable, a man that spends his whole Life in Nl can not possibly have a million dollars ,unless one that does illegal activities, you remind me of this corrupt Hausa politicians who are only good in stealing from the country and then passing their proceeds to their delinquent children  who end up using it in living a wayward life or stashing it abroad,

I shouldn't have brought this up, I should let others sing me praises am not supposed to do it myself. . .Two people know me here in real life, they will attest to that. . .I spend my whole life on nairaland? . . .I have been a nairaland member since  april 2006 that's over 5 years ago and my stats says I have spent 66 days and 7 hours in total here you can check my stats its available for all to see, my post total just 2.8 per day on average, its all there in my stats. . . You do the maths and you will see that I barely spend more than 30 mins here each day on average some times I dont visit for months, So much for spending all my time on nairaland . . . .Sorry but I have a lot of things running for me man. . .So try another lie. . .

why must Rules be followed that would be more sensible to have asked

and there are more theist than atheist .   .   .

Christians have long proved their false hood against the koran. . . .

Elah does!

What is this?  . . .Elah is NOT Allah you goon. . . . This is akin to saying that May is the same as Mary. . .

From wikipedia. . .

"Elah (Hebrew: אֵלָה), (plural "elim" is the Aramaic word for "awesome". The origin of the word is uncertain and it may be related to a root word, meaning “fear” or “reverence”. Elah is found in the Tanakh in the books of Ezra, Daniel, and Jeremiah (Jer 10:11, the only verse in the entire book written in Aramaic.)[21] Elah is used to describe both pagan gods and the one true God"

Where does Allah appear in the bible you liar?. . . .

Niether is Muhammad a demon, but Crhistians on Nl have long indicated atheist are cursed children of the devil with mental problems these many Christians believe just ask any you see when ever you are in Nigeria.

What does it mean to be cursed?. . .Is any atheist here suffering from mental illness?. . .Do you have any evidence like medical reports to show that any atheist here is suffering from mental illness?. . .Mohammed is believed to be a demon by some christians. . .

OLAADEGBU:
Ask your travel agent to show you the way to Israel and when you get there begin your investigation on where the empty tomb is located.  This is what a skeptic Frank Morison set out to do so as to disprove the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ but ended up having an encounter with the King of kings and Lord of Lords, he eventually wrote the book 'who moved the stone'. So put your money where your mouth is and get down to the business of investigative journalism instead of just sitting behind your keyboard.

No such tomb exist in Israel. . . . .The one that is said to exist is the family tomb of Jesus, buried beside him was his wife Mary Mary Magdalene and their son. . . .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6397373.stm

There are said to be two different tombs of Jesus in Israel. . .One is called the garden tomb while the other is called the church of the holy sepulchre. . . Christians from all over the world visit these two places. . . .The reality is no such tomb exist and no body has seen it. . . .The empty tomb exist only in the pages of the bible. . .

vedaxcool:
Yeah whatever happened to your Mediocre cries!

Bla bla bla sheep. . .Have you any wool. . .

Oh like you believe your extraordinary claim that Muhammad pbuh copuied the bible without any vidoe evidence, when I have the resources I will do a research on atheism and hard drugs, cause you must be high to be contradicting yourself left right and centre.

All the prophets of the bible and theirs stories are found in the koran, no?. . .Why is that so?. . .

Evidence, the bible only talks of the Jews as if to say God forgot other people!

Another lie, the bible talks about every body. . .In fact it says that Jesus was sent to the world. . .For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that who so ever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life is what is written in the bible. . .According to the bible the Jews were chosen in the OT but Jesus was sent to the whole world in the NT. . .

Is it the Old Testament or the New Testament? you see why you can only be rational in the presence of Drug users! To show your sub normal intelligence you say if the bible was altered were is the original, can you or any Christian bring the very first bible? when you can do such then I might consider you Near normal, but as long as your way of arguing can only make sense to a Junkie, then I do say pass.

The christians have already produced the bible as the original, you claim it has been corrupted then its up to you and Allah to provide the original copy that was not corrupted no?. . .Where is the original copy?. . .Look who is talking about arguing like a junkie

I repeat Only a Mentally unbalanced individual will say something he knows not, most especially a misguided atheist who maintains he knows everyone background, to Normal people I do say they are individuals who convert from other religion to Islam, maybe the devil deceived godless man will tell us he was indoctrinated into it. I REPEAT YOU ARE AN ATHEIST BECAUSE YOU FOUND LIFE TOO DIFFICULT AND RATHER THAN BEAR PATIENTLY YOU BLAMED ALL EXCEPT YOUR SELF, YOU ARE NOT AN ATHEIST BY CONVICTION BY BY DESPERATION, NOT AN ATHEIST BECAUSE YOU ARE INFORMED BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE DEEPLY IGNORANT OF EVERYTHING.

In your dreams. . .Firstly my life is much too easy for me compared to most people around me personally I don't even know any nigerian my age that is doing as well as I am, I lack nothing, not even up to 30 but can confidently say that I have a million dollars(Two people know me in person on nairaland and will testify to that one is even a christian). . .My life is VERY cool man. . .I am informed to know that your religion like all others are all man made. . .You on the other hand are a Muslims ONLY because you were born into a muslim family deny it all you want. . If you were born into a christian family you will be here telling us of how Jesus is the only son of God and hey to eternal life. . .

oh! really the same way you made a typo that claimed muhammad made Arabic the Language of teh creator? you are laughable indeed always dodging questions you cannot answer by throwing mud, well keep it up! Mediocre is who you are.

Thought you said the Koran was revealed in Arabic and its purity must be kept?. . .Why must its purity be kept?. . .If surely Allah should be able to accept every body's five day prayer in their language no?. . .

, and Christian on Nl have long proved that atheist are mentaly unstable . . .

What ever. . .You said that muslims have long proved their false hood against the bible yet there are more christians than muslims. . .

Coming from a man that have never read the Qur'an, the above runs shallow and empty

Video evidence please is all we require

Read the bible Allah does not appear in any part of it instead we have Yahweh as the God it talks about. . .

It is written in english, maybe left go of the blunt and read!
Many Christians of NL have declared atheist mentally disturbed and permanently cursed why are they wrong? . . .

Cursed by whom or what? The atheist here are not mentally disturbed. . .Talking about demons. . . I asked you a simple question. . .Many people believe that mohammed is a demon, why are they wrong?. . . .

frosbel:
Mock all you want , GOD remains , looking at you and your folly in great pitty.

"Vengeance is mine, and recompense, for the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and their doom comes swiftly." - Deut 32:35

Simple question. . . .He claimed that the tomb of Jesus is still empty and I asked him to show me where it is so that I can go and check. . .Is Yahweh still in the business of staining people's blood with his shirt and boasting that he did it alone?. . .

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus tomb is empty because He rose from the dead.

Where is the empty tomb of Jesus located let me go and see if its empty?. . .

vedaxcool:
Likewise boy, Likewise!

What ever. . . .A lot of what you have written doesn't make any sense so I will address some of them. . .

Now I expected you would get my drift when I indicated that u rely on second hand and in some case millionth hand reports to know certain "facts". I again tried indicating based on your short sighted approach, how many extraordinary claims have you verified?

I don't believe ANY extra ordinary claims that doesn't have any evidence to back it up what ever the extra ordinary claim is. . .As long as there is no evidence to back it up, it goes out the window. . . .

you see maz, people like you only find advancing certain kinds of arguments because they suit your preconceived notions implanted on you. Now You ask why do I believe the claims of the Qur'an rather than the bible, the hindu verders etc, well the give a simple answer the Qur'an, hadiths and Islamic Theology gives a rational account of all this scriptures. in other words the Islam theology provides a sound basis for understanding the occurrence of other religion and lays emphasis on the unified origin of man without creating difficulties like when you have people of certain region not knowing of a religion, etc. The Qur'an affirms that there was a bible that was sent by God (Nb actually meant scriptures) to guide certain people, the Qur'an goes further and assert that these scripturs have been severely altered from what they used to be.

The problem is that the bible also gives a VERY rational account of all the other external scriptures, Christian theology also gives a very sound basis for understanding the occurrence of other religions. . .But the bible says it was sent to the whole of mankind and it says that the Koran is a false book and Islam is a false religion because Jesus is the only son of God and no one can get to see God only by accepting Jesus. . .The bible says any body that does NOT believe in it is condemned already besides the bible was written and put together before the koran and it makes the claim first with regards to salvation so why should any body believe the koran?. . . .If the scriptures were severely altered then where is the original one?. . .Did Allah forget to tell Mohammed where he kept the original bible?. . .If the Koran is the word of the creator of the universe then why is it that over 80 percent of the people living today reject it and regard it as trash?. . .Why is it that it is ONLY muslims that accept it?. . . .Indoctrination and the systematic way of reasoning along a particular way that accepts Islamic theology is the ONLY reason why muslims accept the teachings and theology of the Koran, there is NOTHING in the Islamic theology that is better than the christian or hindu theology. . .As long as you are not in the islamic bubble of delusion you will see it very clearly. . .

hence we can go on further and interpose this on other religion by understanding that fundamentally most religion preached the worship of God, gods and set a moral standards for the people. your last question again expose the inconsistent nature that you think, my being a muslim was by birth, then as i grew up I took it upon myself to unearth certain questions I had about the religion, your insistence that I was indoctrinated only befuddles all know criteria of rationality and attacks common sense by pretending to know people's background, this is hardly your fault as the way atheist think always abuse common sense, they tend to attribute things by simply relying on their preconceived notions that the athiest elders committee told them.

I repeat the ONLY reason you are a muslim is because you were born into the religion, indoctrinated into it at an early age, made to accept every thing it says as the truth and the fact ,and also thought to reason in a particular way along the islamic theology. . .If you were born into a christian family you would have been telling us that Jesus is the only way to God. . . .

And there are witnesses that saw Muhammad pbuh in the flesh, I ask can you show the videos of the first man on earth? if yopu cannot show does it then mean that he never existed? like I indicated if you can accept second hand report on all issues you accept to be fact then I have neither qualms accepting eyewitnesses as acceptable media for transferring information

There are also witnesses that claim to have seen the Angle Moroni tell Adam smith the founder of the Mormon religion where to find the golden plates. . . .I do not accept eye witness accounts alone in most of the things I believe. . .Eye witness accounts are mostly unreliable most times. . . Most things I accept just at face value. . .

It was angel Gabriel that spoke to Muhammad pbuh in cave hirah, I believe this info is common knowledge that even a casava eating illiterate should know. so to you vidoes is extraordinary evidence, you see when I talk to you, i sense the mediocrity that you are, you see the Pagan meccans even asked saner questions than you have so far put forward. atleast they directly cam out and ask for miracles that would be impossible for any human to perform yet you come here and then ask following in their foot steps.

If you check you will see that I made a typo error cos I also said an angle read out the words of the creator of the universe to mohammed as he claimed. . . .What is this nonsense about the pagans of Mecca?. .Over 80 percent of the worlds population accept Islam as a pagan religion so what are you talking about?You are a pagan as long as over 80 percent of the world's population is concerned. . . .

In essence I will tell you this The whole story of Islam and how it managed to overcame pagan bigotry is in itself extraordinary. The Qur'an remains the proof that indeed Muhammad pbuh, a man known not to be learned, received revelation from Allah, the other time bovinereal, sorry divinereal asked why the Qur'an did not specify the weight of the earth, I only wonder which claim is more . . ., now again you spoke of the bible and asking what evidence have i established pertaining it falseness, i do reiterate that Muslims have long proven their claims against the bible, the

Really muslims have proved their fasle hood against the bible, yet there are more muslims than christians, eh?. . .I have news for you man. . The christians have long proved their claims against the koran. . . .

Qur'an ushered a new dimension in religious circles, Literature criticism, the Qur'an had indicated time over time that the bible is corrupted and contains lot of people fantasies, we do not need the original bible to determine how corrupt the bible have become as stories within the bible contradicts one another, some have no moral inputs others undermines the religion . . .

The ONLY new thing that the koran brought is that mohammed is the last prophet of Allah and nothing else. . .Aristotle is know for literature criticism long before mohammed was born. . . Bharata Muni in his Natya Shastra, wrote literary criticism on ancient Indian literature before mohammed was born as well. . .Even Augustine of Hippo who is a christian is know for his literature criticism of religious text. . .Where did Allah throw the original bible?. . .How convenient after plagiarizing stories from a book the next thing is to declear is as corrupted and full of people;s fantasies eh, so it is the koran that is not full of peoples fantasies eh? . . The problem is that there are also internal inconsistencies, contradictions and scientific errors in the Koran as pointed out by many christians. . .There are so many websites on the internet that point that out. . . .Christians and muslim apologist have a way of explaining away these contradictions and inconsistencies away that seem acceptable to those inside the religion but those outside the bubble see it for what it is. . .

just comparing the New testament and old testament they contradict one another in terms of the simple question of salvation, there are lots of issues one can point that shows simply inconsistencies with the New testament, hence in the Qur'an Allah said had they not considered the Qur'an had it been any other from Allah you would find therein many contradictions, a simple issue comes to my mind, like where I read By myself I can do nothing, the same individuals taht are suppose to be worshipping Jesus a.s take that statement to mean by myself i can do everything. Like I indicated the Qur'an did indicate that God gave guidiance to the Jews, but in the long term this scriptures became corrupted.

How do you hang a dog? All you need to do is give it a bad name, no?. . .

if you did not see the copying then you evidently have no ground to stand on, since you require i must have a video of Muhammad talking to the creator, yet you now narrow the question parameters when you have a cheap case to prove , this again marks hypocrisy and undermines your credibility to make any honest discusion, again we would need to see the video evidence of how the copying occur, i.e. how Muhammad pbuh auzobibllah actually copied the bible. until you are willing to be consistent with your judgement criteria, your question or hypothesis shall not be answered. This arabic claim of your has long been answered, i do not know whether you hardly remember these things or obviously simply you prefer to ramble all the the ill logics within you, the Qur'an was revealed in Arabic, and the hence we recite the Qur'an in arabic, but merely reading it in english in order to educate oneself will by no means be rewarded by Allah, on praying in arabic, well we were instructed by the messenger of Allah to offer our prayers as such. and the wisdom being that anything goes would have severely damaged the original message that was conveyed. Nb but when i ask God for favours i do so in English, hence one is only required to pray formally the way the holy prophet prayed when he was alive. one would expect a Huasa man that knows how to read and write in Arabic whose father taught him Islam to know this common knowledge .

The FACT remains all the stories of the koran were taken out of the bible, a book that does not mention Allah as God or creator of the universe in one place. . . Yahweh is the God of the bible and NOT Allah. . .

Again being an umi, one would not expect less from you, go do some reading and then come back to explain why as Islam spread in its initial stages did the scientific knowledge increase. They are many reasons one can give to the current situations of Muslims, but the scientific record of Islam speaks for itself.

The scientific record of non muslims supersedes any scientific record of Islam so I really do not understand what you are saying. . .

ONE THING REMAINS CLEAR YOU HAVE NEVER READ THE QUR'AN IN YOUR LIFE SAVE THE CERTAIN VERSES YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO ACCEPT BY SOME ATHEIST slowpoke*S, YOUR CLAIMS THAT YOUR FATHER TAUGHT YOU ISLAM IS EITHER A GREAT LIE, OR HE WAS IGNORANT OF WHAT HE WAS TEACHING YOU OR YOU SPENT MOST OF THE TIME NOT PAYING ATTENTION, YOUR CLAIMS THAT NOTHING WRITTEN IN THE QUR'AN COULD NOT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY MEN THAT LIVED AT THAT TIME RINGS HALLOW AND SHOWS DEEPLY ENTRENCHED IGNROANCE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH ATHEIST, IT MAY INETEREST YOU TO KNOW THAT IN THE QUR'AN THE PAGANS OF MECCA WHERE CHALLENGED SEVERALLY TO PRODUCE A VERSE THAT IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT WAS IN THE QUR'AN

You are entitled to your opinion. . .I repeat there is nothing written inside the koran that was not written or could not be written by men that lived at that time. . .Read the bible, read the hindu verders, read the oddesy, the writings of the buddhist, they were all written long before the koran and there is nothing inside the koran that can not be found in those books, the koran does not add anything new, no new scientific knowledge, moral knowledge, environmental knowledge or any new sense of awareness beside the story that mohammed is the last messenger of Allah. . .

AND THEY FAILED JUST AS YOU HAVE FAILED TO SHOW CONSISTENCY IN YOUR ARGUMENT, WHEN I ARGUE WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU I USUALLY PERCIEVE THE WAY THE DEVIL HAS SIMPLY FOOLED THEM ETERNALLY On the rest of your claims, we need EVIDENCE!

I said many christains here on NL and else where have declared that mohammed the prophet of islam is the devil, why are they wrong?. . .

Evil Brain:
@mazaje
Its interesting to hear that you don't believe in (macro)evolution. What's your theory on the origin of the species? And where do you draw the line between macro and micro evolution. What's the difference between the two? If you take a small population of animals and isolate them in a slightly different environment than usual, whats to stop them from microevolving into a seperate and distinct species? Most scientists believe that the only difference between micro and acro evolution is the time it takes.

A lot of it makes sense, A lot of it doesn't as well. . . .The supposition in the theory just doesn't add up to me. . .But quite a lot of it makes sense no doubt, But I don't accept it. . .

frosbel:
^^^

Which rather places you in a more precarious situation , because most atheist western scientists believe in Evolution as the principal concept for the origin of man.

Majority of western theist also believe in evolution they believe that man evolved or descended from apes. . .So I don;t know exactly what you are saying. . . .Most theist in the west believe in Darwinian evolution. . .

So now tell me , if you do not believe in GOD and Evolution , what on earth do you believe in.

I don't know and I don't care because both of them are fairy tales with little no evidence to back them up. . .Evolution at least has more evidence to back it up than creationism that relies on on stories. . . .

To date you are yet to provide any logic to back up your stand.

Please give us some substance, stop blowing hot air.

I don't want any ifs or buts, I want evidence.

Apart from baseless belief in the mythology, imaginations and ideas of the ancient Jews and white men what exactly do you have to back up your stand?. . . .

OLAADEGBU:
As I told you earlier, that the Cosmos itself manifests the splendour of the Creator God.  It is from there you will observe the 3-dimension of time, space and matter (mass/energy) and all these points to the divine nature of God.

Your evidence that the cosmos was created by one entity is what?. . . .Where in the cosmos can we see the signature or the name of that single creator entity?. . .The Hindus for example believe that the pantheon of Gods created the cosmos. . . .Your evidence to show that the universe is created by one entity calle Yahweh and not the pantheon of Gods is what? . . .

No matter how much you close your eyes to the evidence of creation your conscience is there as your moral compass alarming you of right and wrong actions, and this points to the Ultimate Moral Law giver who you cannot run away from even though you try to muffle your conscience with your ideologies.  You will still be accountable to your Creator in the end.

Last time I checked all the moral laws I know were formulated and written down by men all over the world so what exactly are you saying?. . . .Is it your moral law giver that gave laws that encouraged slavery, racism and segregation and killing of people for trivial things like picking stones on the sabath day? If you are to practice half of the moral laws that were allegedly given by your God in the OT you will be in prison for the rest of your life. . .

Human ideologies like the theory of evolution and other paganistic evolutionary ideas are formed to silence your conscience from hearing the Moral Law of God that has been inscribed on table of stones.  If God inscribed the Moral Law on stones so as to remind and awaken our dead consciences what excuse do you have?

What is this? I said why should I believe the Jesus stories since NON of the gospels were written by any body that claims to have meet Jesus or have even known him in person? besides all the gospels are not eyewitness accounts so why should I believe a document that was written by an unknown author about a person?. . .

No other 'religious scripture' claim to have all the answers.  It is only the Bible that has the answers to the questions of mankind, past, present and future.  It is fresher than tomorrow's newspaper.  Why do you think it attacked so much throughout the ages and yet is still standing?  What other book has been attacked like that?

The Koran claims it has all the answers. . .The Koran is always under attack and its still standing. . . .

You ned to read and see for yourself the testimonies of people who were former atheists, pagans, muslims and other religious or non religious people whose lives had been transformed when they encountered Christ.  Jesus guarantees you that anyone who loves and obeys Him will begin a supernatural relationship with Him and the Father (John 14:21).  Why don't you give Him a chance in your life?

You also need to read and see for yourself the testimonies of people who were former atheists, pagans, christians and other religious or non religious people whose lives had been transformed when they encountered the message of mohammed. . . .Why don't you give Allah a chance?. . .

OLAADEGBU:
You are right.  Atheists have no excuse for not believing in the Creator God because the truth is revealed to us in nature,

What in a nature bears your God's name or signature?. . . .Your evidence to show that every thing we see in ature was created by your God alone and not Allah or any of the pantheon of Hindu Gods is WHAT?. . . .

our consciences,

What in our consciousness points to Yahweh as the creator of all things, where is his signature in the human consciousness?. . .

the Moral Law,

But ALL moral laws were formed by humans, morality must be learnt, it is not objective and varies from place to place. . .Morals laws are formed by humans and they evolve all the time that is why what is considered moral today might be immoral tomorrow, try practicing half of the mortal laws of the OT and you will be in prison for the rest of your life. . .If prophets like Moses, Jehum Joshua are alive today and try half of what the bible said they did they will be classified as war criminals and be in the same ranks as Hitler, Mussolini etc. . .

the illustration of Christ,

But the entire story of Jesus was written by people that never meet him. . .NON of the writers of the Gospels ever said they meet Jesus, or where with him, what we have are 2nd or 3rd accounts of stories written by men who never said they knew him or meet him, but wrote very contradictory accounts of events about him that cancel each other out why is the Jesus illustration better than the Mohammed, Julius Ceaser, Apollos of Tiyana, Adams Smith or any other illustration of God man or religious founder out there?

the inspired Scripture,

All religious scriptures claim this, the Koran is not only inspired but the real words of the creator of the universe, go and read it because it says so in the Koran just as the bible says it is inspired. . .

the testimony of believers and I believe that if they diligently seek for the truth God will manifest Himself to them (John 14:21-23).

What about the testimony of other believers, that's believers of other religions?. . . .Allah manifest himself to the over 1.5 billion muslims, no?. . . .The various hindu Gods manifist themselves to the over 1 billion hindus, no? They have so many testimonies about this revelations and manifestations. . .Even aliens manifest themselves to many people around, they have written books about their revelations from aliens, the books are every where if you want to read them. . . .

frosbel:
I have come to the conclusion that many people today are atheists, because they abhor the possibility of a righteousness GOD.

Righteous God? What exactly do you mean by that? If endorsing slavery, accepting human and animal sacrifice, war warmongering, racial discrimination, and the unnecessary killing of humans, teaching of stupid and unrealistic pacifism is what you call righteousness God then, yes no atheist will want anything to do with such a God because that is what he seems to be doing in the bible. . .

jephiano:
In RSUST around 2003/2004, i witnessed an incident in which a group of armed robbers,while tryin to escape d scene of crime, jumped over our school fence only to be apprehended by d police in d school(hu were dere almost permanently due to persistent cult activities).one of d robbers was caught in front of my hostel (Hostel E), and students and d police started beating d guy.then one of the policemen shot d robber's leg wit a rifle but d bullets didnt penetrate.now everybody stood dere shocked, we had heard of Odieshi be4 but seein it action was different.d cops shot other parts of d body like his neck, armpit, even puttin d tip of d gun in sand etc but nothin seemd to work.d guy was weak from d beatin so could hardly move but all i noticed was dat d force of d bullets would push him but he sustained no bullet wounds.
As for d doubters, wether u believ or not, THERE IS A SUPERNATURAL, SCIENCE CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW D BODY TISSUE CAN STOP A BULLET FROM PENETRATING

You are a LIAR. . . .

frosbel:
Where are all the atheists

Have they been stumped ?

What has atheism got to do with Darwinism?. . .Am an atheist but I don't believe in evolution(Macro evolution). . .More Christians believe in Darwinian evolution than atheist. . .The catholic church accepts it. . . .Most Christians in Europe accept it. . .

Is it not you bible that encourages slaver by saying that one race are God chosen while others are not. . .I thought most people believe that blacks are cursed because they are descendants of Ham. . .

pro01:
^^


@ Harakiri

I'm still not convinced about the 'Yahoo Plus' thingy mehn. There're far too many of them, and I doubt that they can convince numerous Oyinbos to send them vast amounts of money without recourse to some sort of (obviously potent) supernatural force. I know one such guy who *allegedly* caresses a live Tortoise whenever he's speaking with a potential victim, and the victim almost always grants his financial requests - even if it means borrowing money to do so.

There are different kinds of yahoo yahoo. . . .Its not all the time the victim sells his/her property and sends the money, yahoo yahoo is so advanced now that most of them now use hackers to hack into peoples bank accounts or credit card , wire money into the accounts or credit card and instruct the victims to send the money to them. . .Others use credit card to shop and then sell the things they bought with the credit card when the things get to them. . .Some send fake checks and money orders to their victims to cash and send the money to them. . .It doesn't require any juju as long as the have convinced their victims and made them to trust them enough. . . . .I have seen yahoo yahoo boys in Poland using a soft ware that allows them to make calls using US number. . .Their victims believe they are in the US they make calls and receive calls with US numbers while they are in Poland. . .I believe those with the soft ware can do same in Nigeria as well, all they need is a person that will speak like an American for them. . .Some use IP hiders to hide or change their IPs and make their victims believe they are in what ever country the tell them. . .The internet as a whole enables fraud. . .

pDude:
@deadie- hahaha. I didn't learn that from my sunday school class. My sunday school class taught me about a God that gave me a brain, hand, feet, organs, etc to be able to learn and store countless things at a time.

I am yet to see a device that has an infinite amount of memory and can store endless gigabytes of data. The brain is the only organ that can do such yet scientists are still puzzled by it. My blackberry has an abysmal amount of storage: a pathetic 2gigs- that's the best RIM scientists could come up with

Big ba.ng theory created my brain right? I laff in portugese.

Abeg this arguement don tire me.

according to the bible human beings were created from sand. . .What evidence is there to support this claim? What evidence do you have that sand can be converted to the brain, hands, legs etc. . .Animals were spoken into existence by God using the hebrew language perhaps. . .Evidence of voice turning into living things. . .

pDude:
According to your profile, ignorance is bliss. And I'm enjoying every moment of that bliss.

Now let me engage you a bit.
Let's work with probabilities. Look at the entire universe and everything in it. When I say everything, I mean strip everything to its atomic structure (strip every grain of sand, drop of water, drop of blood, living cell, etc). Do you see a definite order in them all? Good! I believe you do.

So with all these KER-ZILLIONS things having a definite order, what is the probability that all these things (uncountable things with definite order) were formed from a single event called the big b.ang theory? What is the probability?

[B] we are still looking at the structures o! We have not yet even gone into their functions which are superbly carried out with a definite order. [/B]

So what is the probability that a random event that happened only once could create all these things with all these order?

If you can answer that and calculate it on paper using a mathematical formula that is proven, then I will stop believing in God.

While you are at it, please I want you to detonate 1 million different nuclear explosions and kindly show me an amoeba (simple form of life) that was created from any one of those millions.

Thank you.

As deadie has said. . .In which part of the bible did you get to know about the atom, the cell, or the structure and nature of the universe?. . . .

Martian:
You tell me to have an open mind? You get your worldview from the bible and refuse to accept that it's just one of thousands of mythical and epic books but I'm the one who needs an open mind?

I tire ohh. . . .

pDude:
The worst fool is the person that doesn't believe in God.

Only a fool will say that there is a God he can't provide evidence for. . .

If you happen to go through Med school or be a Science student and you end up being an atheist, I'm only sorry for you.

Big slam theory my azz. Whoever postulated that is a slowpoke. Look at the order of things around you. Look at the order in a grain of sand- the well laid out latices in the molecular structure. Look at a leaf and see the order in its structure. Look and examine every single thing around you. Look into its molecular structure (the building blocks of that object) and tell me if a big slam created all that order.

Firstly if you go through Med school you will realize that there are so many disease, you will discover that plants, animal and humans bodies are very vulnerable to all kinds of diseases . . .When you look around you will see waste, destruction and death, you will see diseases, natural disasters like hurricanes, typhoons, volcanoes, mudslides, earth quakes. . .Look at all the death and destruction you see around and tell me if any God created all those things. . .  

Its like saying after a 10000000megaton nuclear explosion, diamonds, lions, humans, trees, crude oil, life, insects, and a billion other things; all having a definite order were formed.

When you look around you see as much order as you see chaos. . . .Things keep happening randomly all the time. . .Do you have any evidence to show that the universe was created by one entity and its speaks the human language?. . .

The only thing a nuclear explosion can bring is destruction- Ask residents of Chernobyl, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Assuming God exist he is also responsible for some of the destruction we see around, no? This thread is not about the existence of God but about juju claims. . .

frosbel:
But most of your quotes and material used to defend atheism have been obtained from white man sources , right 

Keep following the white man's religion 

Bla bla bla sheep have you any wool?. . . .If the white man had not invade your land you would have been telling us that the God your ancestors worship is the almighty no?. . .

Martian:
In Things fall apart, Achebe wrote about the white man that went into the sacred shine and desecrated it. My people waited for the disrespected god to strike the oyibo boy but nothing happened. The oyibo people and their new outcast christian followers decided to build their church on a patch of land that was part of the evil forest because my people thought the evil spirits will come and kill them all. NOTHING HAPPENED. In fact the gods, the ancestors and my people were so powerless that even Okonkwo got confused and ashamed and ended up hanging himself.

If juju worked, british people would be speaking yoruba and igbo.

Leave them jare, the MAIN reason why our people are practising the white man's religion was because the white man showed and demonstrated to them that their traditional religions which were mainly based on juju were FALSE and a FARCE. . .If juju is real you think Nigerians will be following the white man's religion? Where was the juju when the white man was enslaving them and desecrating their juju temples and building churches on the land. . .As you said if juju is real the white man will be speaking igbo or yoruba. .

deadie:
Juju and religion are the same: crap. And by the way, this is coming from someone whose grandfather was a WELL KNOWN native doctor, well believed and widely consulted. My father told me all their tricks.

Its all crazy tricks they use to con people. . . .Its normal for the natural mind that doesn't know the tricks involved to believe it. . .The crazy stories of people living inside trees, or of bullet proof charm, people vomiting life animals like bats, lizards etc and those other crazy tales is what baffles me the most. . .When will people post video recordings of such?

Here is the levitation video and how the tricks the gurus have been used for centuries to deceive the people were exposed. . .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSivpBHUmE[/flash]

I will look up the other one about the guru that claims to bite and vomit nails and broken bottles out of human bodies and post it here as well. . .

free123:
OP
even if video was produced u (with your already made mind) wud not believe it. I wonder what else u are looking for.
During my school days, on a particular day I saw a man by d road side in Awka swallowing broken pieces of bottle and after that, he vomitted razors right there in front of me.

Do you know what they call magic tricks? Did you watch the youtube video above?. . . .It's all a trick. . .There is a youtube video I watched about a Juju guru man in India that claims to bring out nails and broken bottles from sick people's head and body parts by biting them, when he bites the body part he drops pieces of bottles and nails out of his mouth until he was exposed and the trick he was using were shown. . .He later demonstrated the tricks he used another man was levitating in the air until he was also exposed as well and the tricks demonstrated to the people. .I will look them up on youtube and post them here. . .

Thanks zataxs. . .