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toba:
Im not an island in terms of Knowledge. Im open to new ideas provided its reasonable

Your comments on the religion sections says other wise. . . .

frosbel:
Personally, I wouldn't go to an atheist forum to "push" my beliefs on anyone. I think that's what some of us don't understand. Why visit a forum about belief systems, when you don't believe in religion? Of course that's your right, but I for one, don't understand it.

But you can go to a muslim forum, a catholic forum and push your beliefs eh? After all you have stated that muslims , catholics and atheist all have the same father satan, no?. . . . .

We did have one poster a while back who admitted to being on here just to plant seeds of disbelief in others. There are also many wonderful posters here who discuss faith/religion intelligently and politely.

So what? after all you are always planting the seed of disbelief on the muslims, catholics etc, what makes your own belief better than theirs apart from your childhood indoctrination?. . .

But why come on here or any other religion forum if you are just bashing and do not believe in GOD.

Why bash Allah some thing you are fond of doing when you believe he doesn't exist?. . . .

Why not ask the unbiased (  ) moderators to provide you with your own section.

I can recommend some titles for your section, god haters pad or sect for non-believers etc .

Go create your own website and stop crying. . . .

Comments from the sensible ONLY will be much appreciated.

. . . .Sensible people indeed. . .

toba:
^^ as u followed the discussion so did i.

I have said it, most of these guys gets into a debate with the preconceived, stereotyped and biased mind they already have about everything that concerns the God subject

And you come into such discussions with an open mind eh?. . . .Interesting. . .

1Godfather:
There was a time when one could reasonably discuss with an atheist on belief and non-belief and expect a polite but firm discussion. Ultimately, the theist may not succeed in getting the atheist to see his point of view, but the exchange would be as cordial as it was passionate. This is because, the atheist would be interested in showing why he is not fully persuaded to believe. Perhaps, if you run into a decent friend or acquaintance who is ideologically opposed to you on the God question, such a frank but civil discussion can truly occur.

When was that time?. . . .Try to be an atheist for a week in Nigeria and come and tell us how it went. . . .The rest of your epistle is just ridiculous. . . .

debosky:
Are you ignorant of the times the Ottomans took over the land called Palestine? Do you think veneration of the tomb could have been permitted during that time?

If the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed, it is not inconceivable that the tomb could have been destroyed during occupation by hostile invaders.

There are a multitude of possible reasons why the tomb's location is not known today.

This makes it more funny, why then do christians keep deluding themselves and lying to each other that the empty tomb still exist? OLAADEGBU keeps saying this, but when you ask him to tell you where it is located he then turns around and stats lying all over the place. . . People pay money to travel from all parts of the world to go and visit the two sites that really have nothing to do with the real tomb, doesn't the truth matter to people any more? The first person to draw my attention to the existence of the two different tombs is a christian historian and an apologist name William Lance Craig, he said  the two tombs people visit have nothing to do with the real tomb of Jesus, because his real tomb remains unknown till this date. . . .Why is it that every trace about the historical Jesus is almost non existent and problematic?. . .No empty tomb, nothing, just 2nd hand and 3rd hand stories about him by others that never claimed to know written about 50-100 years after he allegedly resurrected . . . .Interesting. . .

chaircover:
TTC means trying to conceive

Thanks. . . .

Pls whats the meaning of TTC?

Wishing pslm23 all the best and hoping that your wishes come true. . . . .

davidylan:
That's not true. Religious people accept you for who you are . . . but your girlfriend has the right to insist on spiritual compatibility when it comes to someone she wants to spend the rest of her life with. Would you accept a dirty person the way she is? Would you want to be friends with a quarrelsome woman? Would you consider yourself compatible with someone who is over-weight? Why then do you think a religious person should put up with a form of incompatibility?

With regards to your family . . . that is your own issue. It has nothing to do with the rest of us.

The highlighted part is a VERY big lie in Nigeria. . .Religious people are forced to accept atheist in the west mainly because they have no option since most of the societies are irreligious or completely secular, but not in Nigeria a country where a governor of a state fires people for not attending morning prayers and nothing was done to him, a country that is so religious and where people carry their various gods and religion on their faces and on their shoulders. . .Try being an atheist for a day in Nigeria and see if you don't lose out on many things. . . .The last time I was in Nigeria for my oil deal, I saw people conducting a mini service during break in one of the offices in the crude oil department in NNPC towers in abuja(ironically the NNPC is one of the most corrupt institutions in Nigeria, more corrupt than PHCN and the police force, these same people are the ones stealing money and doing shady deals ALL of the time). . .Every body strongly believes in a God or religion in Nigeria, I have seen where a guy lost out of an oil deal because he was an adherent of the grail message, the guy in charge decided to give me the deal because he didn't want to deal with a cultist as he said because he doesn't want the guy to use the money to further his clutist agenda he felt it will be better to deal with a christian cos he thought I was one. . . If the people that do business with me ever knew that I was an atheist they will all run away from me and will not want to have anything to do with me believe me, the problem is that these guys scare me with their dishonesty, theft and lies, but all you hear from them is Jesus this or Mohammed that ALL the time, yet this are the same people that are running the NNPC down, its really CRAZY!!!!. . . .You LIE big time if you say that atheist are accepted in Nigeria. . .Just pretend to be an atheist for a day in Nigeria, some people will beat you up depending on the place you are cos they will feel you are the mythical devil. . . .

toba:
no wonder many atheists in Nigeria are cowards. Im sure some of those that rants on NL will be church goers on Sundays in fear of being rejected. oma se oooooooooooo

Not cowards. . .I have seen christains hide their identity in places like kano and jigawa because they do not need the unnecessary persecutions of the muslims, I have seen adherent of the grail message hide their identity as well. . . .If people will let us be, no body will hide his or her identity. . .But what do are you to do with bunch of people that believe so much in religion to the extent they they are always killing each other because of it?. . . .

ThiefOfHearts:
Recently a friend of mine was venting to me about her terrible boss and she mentioned that she's tired to the point she wouldnt mind using onef of the cursing psalms on her head. I had no idea what she was talking about as the Psalms I know of are mainly of mercy, protection, thanksgiving, good luck etc so I rsearched cursing psalms and came across Psalm 109, 60 and 137. 109 being the worst one

Why exactly is this in the Bible? It's so drenched with hate, it's unbelivable. I cant even read it all the way thru, I feel like Im bring evil into my soul. Then again Im sure it's probably a fav one amongst Nigerians since they love wishing people to be brought down as evidently shown in various Naija churches where the "Pray for your enemies" is ignored and "wish fire to devour their heads, etc" is chanted instead.

I cant possibly be the only one who finds this Psalm disturbing, right? Bible about love, turning the cheek, forgiveness shouldnt have words like Psalm 109

what says you people of NL?

Because you like MOST christians don't read the bible, people are being lied to all the time that the bible is all about love, forgiveness, kindness, turning the other check etc. . .The bible teaches that and contain such stories but the bible also teaches or contains stories about murder, r[i]a[/i]pe, slavery, ritual human sacrifice, curses, violence and destruction. . .

These illegal refineries should be made legal and regulated. . .

Image123:
@mazaje.
Like i told thehomer, the post was not for you. i didn't expect you to understand it. this was the post for you.

1Corinth 2v14 (CEV) That's why only someone who has God's Spirit can understand spiritual blessings. Anyone who doesn't have God's Spirit thinks these blessings are foolish.

It's been quoted already, where were you?
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder[b] in heaven; a woman[/b] clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The passage in Isaiah said lucifer assuming that is satan fell from heaven, it then said that he has it in mind to ascend into heaven and exalt his throne above the stars of god. . .

I'm certain you're also aware of the account of prophet Daniel's prayer being delayed.
.Here's the Bible again,
2Corinth 12v2 (Darby) I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago, (whether in the body I know not, or out of the body I know not, God knows such a one caught up to the third heaven.
It's therre in your Bible also, i didn't put it there. the Bible teaches that therre is a third heaven. Obviously there is a firrst heaven and a second heaven for there to be a third . Have spoken on that and i would not waste extra space with you two on this.
Deuteronomy 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

Where did it say that satan fell from the third heaven. . .

Image123:
What story?

Good question, he was not in Heaven.

Seems more like you listened to the wrong things in Sunday school. You should have listened to that which would have profited you today, faith in God and the fear of God.
Big grammar. So it took a parsing from you to arrive at your conclusions, good confession, we're making progress. By the way, you did not answer, who are nephilims? Are you one? Or we should skip that part, no probs?
Mazaje dey make me laugh o!See atheists dropping scriptures for devil's sake, literally. That passage doesn't say the devil sinned IN Heaven. You can color it, quote it, embolden it, underline it. It doesn't say that devil sinned IN Heaven.
 Anyway, for the benefits of my beloved brethren, who i perceive may also be in a strait as to the above discussion. Let me say a few words that may help.
We usually say that the Word of God requires interpretation by the Spirit of God and for scriptures to agree with scriptures, very true, very important! When we say atheists don't/can't understand scriptures, they don't believe. Now, we've got to leave other things and lead the blind out of his ditchly habitat. The book of Revelations is HIGHLY symbolic, and even on the intellectually level shouldn't be taken literally, not to mention on the spiritual level.
Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
God signified/symbolized it. There, a candle might actually be referring to a group of people. Stars are not necessarily the star up there shining at night, the alpha and omega may not be just greek alphabets but God Himself. to take Revelation 12 completely literally,

Rev 12:1  And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

i guess its generally known that this 'woman' is not a woman but Israel. Yet this woman is seen in this 'vision' IN heaven.

Rev 12:3  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Then the red dragon, satan is also seen IN heaven.
So they are both together in heaven. Of course, we all see and know Israel, so nobody assumes that Israel is in heaven. but we don't see satan and assume he's in heaven. And then you read on and see all the things that happen 'in' heaven like mazaje quoted.The drawing of stars, the delivery, the fleeing, the war and co. A good place to note though is verse 5.
Rev 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
i was kindof impressed that even our resident atheists knew that this was referring to Jesus Christ. Now of course we know Israel is on earth, and that Jesus Christ was born on earth, died and then went to Heaven. that's why it says in verse 5 "caught UP unto God, and to his throne."
So even though all these account supposedly happened 'in heaven', Jesus left that 'heaven' to be CAUGHT UP to God.
It's logical to conclude that God was not in that heaven where 'the dramas' occurred. A fast learner/hearer would know by now that this 'heaven' in Revelation 12 is symbolic/signified, and not the Heaven that believers want to go to. So, what does the Bible say about satan and where he sinned? About satan, the Bible writes
Ezekiel 28:13  Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
He previously 'owned'/controlled this place, it seems. That's before man was put in his place. Little wonder, he hates man with a passion. And not only that, god's taking man to Heaven, and has made provisions for man to be godly, and created in the image of God. All these are stuff devil can never achieve again.

Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
There was satan's dream. If he was in the Heaven in question, he would not be thinking of 'ascending'. Jesus Christ ascended, was caught UP.
 One more thing though,

Isa 14:12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
This might confuse some, but there's no room for such confusion once you realise that there 'heaven' is an ambiguous word, and should be interpreted depending on the Spirit of God and on the context. Paul the apostle mentions something about the third heaven, so let me stay on three here. [s]Never mind about the muslims' heaven and co.[/s]
2Corinth 12:2  I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such a one caught up to the third heaven.
There's one, an heaven that we see around us i.e the skies, the firmament, the atmosphere.

Lam 4:19  Our persecutors are swifter than the eagles of the heaven: they pursued us upon the mountains, they laid wait for us in the wilderness.
Deu 9:1  Hear, O Israel: Thou art to pass over Jordan this day, to go in to possess nations greater and mightier than thyself, cities great and fenced up to heaven,
There's two, the second heaven, where we can't see from here but is different from where God lives.
Jer 7:18  The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
2Ki 17:16  And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshiped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.
satan is the prince of the power of the air. In this heaven, we have rulers, principalities in high places, spiritual wickedness. It seems Christ alluded to this heaven when he said "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
If there's any heaven that satan is in(or was in like our resident atheists are positing) , then it should be there.
There is three, the third heaven, the one that a man went in the spirit in 2Corinth 12. That's where Jesus went and where God dwells. When He says "I make a new heaven and earth" or "heaven and earth will pass away", He's not necessarily referring to God's dwelling place. BTW, satan is always falling and would continue to fall. That's his own destiny that occupies him. Luke 10:18  And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.. He seems to be in free fall. that's why no one should want to follow him or behave like him. We can choose our own destinies, or destinations. We can become heavenly minded. We can see the kingdom of God/enter into the kingdom of God. the conditions are not alien to many of us. It's the steps that we need to take.

Na wah ohhh. . . .As I said just keep making this up as you go. . . .If another christian is to come here he will explain or interpret things VERY differently from how image123 has interpreted the bible Where is it written in the bible that satan fell from a different heaven than the one Yahweh resides in, pls show me where it is written in the bible, I don't need your twisted opinion, just want you to show where it is written in the bible. . .All I see you write is your OWN personal opinion, what am I to do with your personal opinion and writings that is filled with words like "it seems". . . .So there is a heaven that people can't see but is also different from where your god lives, eh? Where is it written in the bible?. . .Where is satan falling from?. . . .The bible said he fell from heaven, which of the heaven is it and where does the bible indicate that it is not the same heaven where yahweh resides according to the story?

frosbel:
Atheists never appear on a religious forum to learn or obtain knowledge. Most of them on Nairaland are TROLLS to the true sense of the word

. . . .Coming from a deluded person that thinks those that do not believe in his religion or his own version of christianity or interpretation of the bible are all condemned. . . .Atheist are trolls, but so are catholics, muslims, Jehovah witness, white garment wearing christians and any body that does not agree with your own version of god, no?. . . .

Their presence is indicative of a much wider problem, a problem of a nagging sense of emptiness , a worrying hollowness of existence, that tends to lead them into mindless trolling of particular Christian topics to vent their rage.

Are you venting your rage when mocking muslims or telling them that islam is false?. . .Are you venting your rage when attacking catholics and calling them the sons of satan?. . . .You are the most deluded character on NL. . .

I am truly amazed at how a sect of people who would have nothing to do with GOD , spend the better part of their daily time , railing against GOD's people, distorting and  twisting the scriptures to their destruction.

If I remember vividly , we talked about derailing of topics recently and I have to give these TROLLS a distinction to this regard.

For some reason they jump into every Christian thread with a monstrous vindictiveness that reminds me of the Lord of Darkness . Then they start spewing venom all over the scared pages of our articles.

Please TROLLS stay away , we mean Christian business here .

Its really funny frosbel, here you are, desperately attacking people who do not believe in your ludicrous claims of god belief to a point where you puppet the same arguments that you've repeated before.  You also puppet the same mockery and even the same lies, as if you've never been corrected time and time again before.  I wonder if it ever occurs to you how that makes you look to others, how can we take you seriously when you cannot even acknowledge your previous actions?  Whats the point of lying over and over and over about people who already know you're not telling the truth?"

Here you are once again, setting up presumptious, baseless arguments and decrying atheists for supposed pride, not wanting there to be a god, or not wanting to obtain knowledge . . . How long will you continue to abuse the term "dogma" again, I wonder, when such arguments as this have been rebutted time and time again. It is clear to anyone who has followed your progress that you are not here to enlighten, but to try to point the finger at atheists(or members of other religions and sect that do not share your delusions), to denigrate and demean them for reasons of your own , perhaps picking a fight with non-believers helps to silence your own deep-seated doubts and confusion? (See, I can presume things about you, too). What does that say about you, I wonder? I thought nonbelievers were a bunch of sour grape, 'evil people' that had a grudge. the reason so many religions teach their followers to avoid reading or hearing anything that contradicts with their belief is not simply from a desire to keep them from being lured in by evil teachers, but instead to hide the own shortcomings of their belief system.

Image123:
^You both disappoint me. You're no different from the majority of christians that you usually accuse and disdain of living on what other men(their churches and pastors) have fed them from their youth. If you like, don't only read the entire chapter(Revelation 12), read the entire book. Nothing there says that satan sinned IN Heaven. Your assumptions are doing you bad.
BTW, i see you're having a nice time with the asides that was included(on 'future'). i'm not going to talk more on that. The point is that no scriptures say that satan or anyone ever SINNED IN Heaven. Do you even know satan's sin?
Thehomer, what are nephilims o, our bible teacher?

Ezekiel 28:13-19
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; your clothing was bejeweled with every precious stone--ruby, topaz, diamond, chrysolite, onyx, jasper, sapphire, carbuncle, and emerald--all in beautiful settings of finest gold. They were given to you on the day you were created.
14 I appointed you to be the anointed Guardian Angel. You had access to the holy mountain of God. You walked among the stones of fire.
15 ``You were perfect in all you did from the day you were created until that time when wrong was found in you.
16[b] Your great wealth filled you with internal turmoil and you sinned. Therefore, I cast you out of the mountain of God like a common sinner. I destroyed you, O Guardian Angel, from the midst of the stones of fire.[/b]
17 Your heart was filled with pride because of all your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. Therefore I have cast you down to the ground and exposed you helpless before the curious gaze of kings.
18. You defiled your holiness with lust for gain; therefore I brought forth fire from your own actions and let it burn you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all those watching you.
19. All who know you are appalled at your fate; you are an example of horror; you are destroyed forever.''

Image123:
^You both disappoint me. You're no different from the majority of christians that you usually accuse and disdain of living on what other men(their churches and pastors) have fed them from their youth. If you like, don't only read the entire chapter(Revelation 12), read the entire book. Nothing there says that satan sinned IN Heaven. Your assumptions are doing you bad.
BTW, i see you're having a nice time with the asides that was included(on 'future'). i'm not going to talk more on that. The point is that no scriptures say that satan or anyone ever SINNED IN Heaven. Do you even know satan's sin?
Thehomer, what are nephilims o, our bible teacher?

Why was satan sent packing from heaven according to the story?. . . .

thehomer:
The devil didn't sin in Heaven. That's a new interpretation from another Christian.

Keep making things up along the way is the name of the game, no wonder they can never agree on anything themselves despite all claiming to be inspired by some elusive holy spirit. . . .

Image123:
Do not waste time any further. Provide the specific scriptures that state this.

Thehomer has already provided the verse. . .

Image123:
Good boy, you posted a specific scripture. Unfortunately, i have to help you by saying that passage or any other does not say that the devil sinned IN Heaven. (as an aside, that scripture's future not past like you assume, but you can't understand so let's deal with what you've got). You're talking about the possibilities of man sinning when he gets to Heaven since, according to you, the devil sinned in Heaven.
I should be asking you about nephilims, you're the one coming up with them, abi you be one,lol?

So in the future satan and his demons will lose their place in heaven, eh? Because according to the bible it says they lost their place in heaven, if that is a future event as you claim where then is satan according to christian theology?. . .Why was he sent out of heaven according to the biblical story?. . .Or is satan still in heaven waiting for you future event to happen?. . . .

Calradised:
QUOTE OF THE DAY

"The prediction of Prophet TB Joshua really affected us. We thought we could see him and see how he could overturn the negative prediction but the officials came with another prophet who prayed for us and told us that all was well" - Peter Odemwingie blames a faith healer's negative match prognosis for Nigeria's failure to beat Guinea and qualify for the Africa Cup of Nations.

Only that Peter Odemwingie NEVER blamed TB Joshua or said any of the things the Nigerian news paper wrote that he said. . . .

debosky:
The extraordinary nature of the occupant of the tomb does not take away the fact that he was buried in an ordinary tomb - quite common for that day and age. For all you know, someone else was buried in the tomb years later.Again, you are making a poor comparison - tombs of the Pharaohs were large prominent structures, this tomb was an ordinary tomb - nothing special about the tomb itself. It's like saying because Jesus wore robes and was the creator of the universe we should be able find the robes today. The extraordinary occupant/user of the tomb takes nothing away from the ordinary nature of the tomb.

According to tradition his disciples had been venerating his tomb since after he allegedly resurrected. . .They wont allow another person to be buried there cos the status of the tomb had already changed, it was no longer an ordinary tomb. . .

Da floxy:
@zataxs[b].pls if u knw d u lov your life beta stp postin here, because God is nt jokin wit dis our post[/b]. Let me c your infedel post here again, bet me, if your life doesn't b anoda tin. U knw dis is nt AKACHUKWU CLEARANCE OHAEGBU, d Son of God

What is this?. . .You and your God are all a piece of joke, now let me see what either you or your imaginary God can do. . .Nonsense. . .

Image123:
I checked Revelation 12. There's nothing there about the devil sinning in Heaven. Seems you were just looking for trouble like enigma said. Can you post that specific verse?

The devil disobeyed Yahweh in heaven and was sent packing according to the story, no?. . . .Is disobedience to God not considered a sin according to the christain hypothesis?

thehomer:
But the devil sinned in Heaven. How was he able to do this without temptation?

The mythology just doesnt make any sense. . . . .

davidylan:
Some nameless individual wakes up and edits wikipedia and so we must take it as gospel truth? How appalling.

Advocates to ID do not push it as an alternative to science but as the only plausible explanation to the origin of life. By nature science has to be subject to rigorous empirical testing . . . something that is absent in the theory of ID.

Nope, from another source. . . .

"Intelligent design is a scientific theory which has its roots in information theory and observations about intelligent action. Intelligent design theory makes inferences based upon observations about the types of complexity that can be produced by the action of intelligent agents vs. the types of information that can be produced through purely natural processes to infer that life was designed by an intelligence or multiple intelligences. It makes no statements about the identity of the intelligent designer(s), but merely says that intelligent action was involved at some points with the origins of various aspects of biological life."

http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/832

I find it ridiculous that you are still arguing that the proponents of ID are not referring to it as a scientific theory. . .

davidylan:
Again stup[i]i[/i]d. No one in his right mind thinks ID is equivalent to science . . . it is NOT. It has and will always be a religious point of view, not subject to empirical lab testing. However in the US, driving a religious point of view in a publicly funded school is considered a breach of the constitution's stand on separation of church and state.

Again i repeat . . . no one but uninformed id[i]i[/i]ots with a preconceived bias alleges that ID is science, it is NOT.

When will you stop telling lies?. . .ID is not science according to whom?. . . Definitely not its proponents because to them ID is a scientific theory. . .

"Intelligent design (ID) is the proposition that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[1][2] It is a form of creationism and a contemporary adaptation of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God, presented by its advocates as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins" rather than "a religious-based idea"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

Pls stop talking about what you don't know. . . .To the advocates of ID it is a scientific theory that rivals evolution. . . Watch the Dover trial again. . .

Martian:
@Toba

If you believe that the creation epic and its accompanying talking serpent is true, then I think you will be interested in the story about how the tortoise got it's uneven shell. It happened during "biblical times" so it's probably true. Afterall, during those wonderful biblical times, giants existed, humans turned into salt, humans split the red sea, humans walked on water, humans rode fiery chariots straight into the sky (MYTHICAL UTOPIA A.K.A HEAVEN), bushes on fire weren't really on fire, those burning bushes could talk, god took strolls and watched his n@ked humans in the garden, and a 600 year old guy ran a floating zoo for six months. So anything was possible.
Maybe you won't believe it because it's not carefully packaged in a holy book. I mean if the jews were talking to donkeys, tortoises were probably talking and scheming in west africa too. Or is it only jewish tales that are true?

I tire ohhhh

Martian:
It's hilarious when frosbel and co post the most ignorant things they can come up with and another random christian comes along and pats them on the back. Then they congratulate themselves on their stupidity and give glory to sky daddy. F#cking hilarious and tragic

harakiri:
First of all, you claim to spend your "precious time" reaching out to those "yearning" with "humility" to know about Christ. If that's a fact, how come you spend so much time and energy scanning the internet for material which you use in direct attacks to Catholics,Moslems,Atheists,Evolutionists etc ? If what you said is true, then you should know that the people you're attacking aren't interested in your hate threads and you aren't doing a good job of showing them you have "genuine intentions". FROSBEL, who on earth do you think you're fooling? Definitely not me (you ought to know better).

Second, who is hanging on to fables? Me who doesn't give a care in the world for any theory of creation (be it evolutionary or religious) OR you would believes you were created from dirt and magic,donkeys and serpents talk and virgins actually get pregnant without sex? You that believes a man called Jonah was swallowed by a fish, didn't get chewed, digested, no water, no food, no oxygen and yet. . .he lived for 3 days. And i'm the one who believes in fables? You are are long overdue for a brain scan my friend!

Third, who is living in fallacies? Me who lives everyday as i see fit OR you who claims to be "righteous" and yet, you keep spreading lies and deceit all over the place and in the end. . .you believe that one day, you and other sheeple will grow chicken wings and fly to heaven to meet some guy who looks like the American Actor (Adrian Brody) sitting on a golden throne, wearing shiny white robes, big bejeweled crown on his head and you'll spend eternity singing his praises and eating fruit! And i'm the one who believes fallacies? Get real bruv!

I'll give this one a +10. . . .Where is our hypocrite in chief known as frosbel?. . .

frosbel:
I was just wondering why People hate the Bible.

The bible is hated so much that in many strictly Islamic and Stalinist countries the bible is banned in a bid to keep it out of the reach of the common man.

In the western world it is ridiculed, defamed , contradicted , maligned and the truths turned into fables.

During the middle ages the catholic church ensured that the Laity and peasants had no personal copies.

But why  If this book is so useless and aimless and objectionless, why spend so much time, money , effort and in some cases blood just to completely destroy it 

It always says something when people feel insecure just because of a book and it contents !!

In my opinion it is not the bible per se , but the author that is hated.  Yes GOD and his SON Christ JESUS.

Contained within the bible are the nature , thoughts , actions and intentions of GOD.

It therefore goes to say that those who do not have the nature of GOD cannot bear to stand HIM or his word and would instead try to ridicule his book to their own damnation.

I adjure thee, you unwise ones, to humble yourselves under the mighty hand of GOD and read the  precious truths of the BIBLE that will both save your soul and deliver you from the eternal wrath.

No body hates the bible because the bible can not even stand up to its basic claims. . .You have been wired to believe for example that any body that points to the so many contradictions in the bible hates it. . .If some one ask a question like did Moses really write the first 5 books of the bible because of reason a, b and c, all you see is someone that hates the bible because of how you have been wired to reason instead of seeing a person that is asking a legitimate question. . .Everything you said can be used to make a case as to why people hate the koran, so the question is do you hate the koran, if your answer is not then you will see the reason why no body hates the bible as you claim. . .