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Uyi Iredia:
stop blabbing

Bla bla bla sheep, have you any wool?. . .

Image123:
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And your answer is that $ happens, and that we should not live on the results of other people's thinking? Your low self esteem and racism is appaling. i guess you personally thought up your computer and nl and transportation. The world is going to perish, only they that believe in Jesus would not perish but have everlasting life.

Aren't you just repeating what you have been indoctrinated with? How do you know that you are not going to end up in hell because you don't believe in Allah?. . . .

God2man:
Why do righteous people suffer and evil people prosper to the extent of having more than enough? Why? There are answers to all" why"s. God said he will visit the iniquity from first Generation to the fourth Generation. What about curses? God cannot be explained with our limited brain. We need divine revelation to know the deep things about the mysteries surrouding us everyday. Do you know that trees praise God? Only the deep calleth into the deep. God bless you. God2man.

So what is your divine explanations for all the whys?. . . .

Kx:
videos of juju;
see african magic yoruba.

come to think of it, would anyone in his right sense video "live juju sessions" knowing too well that if the juju man did not approve of it, he might jazz u?

What has the story of a man turning into a motor, yam or a vulture got any thing to do with the juju man's approval?. . . . . . A simple evidence to show that this thing exist in reality and not in legendary stories and urban legend is what I want to see. . .

I have heard a lot of stories about Juju and magic, people talk about them, I read about them and people act movies about them in Nigeria. . .I will want  people to share their evidence based juju experience that has to do with events around them with  some clear evidence(No hear say please), experiences like human beings turning into animals. . I read in one of the Nigerian newspapers on-line (vanguard news paper on-line) that a commercial motorcycle operator, in a mysterious circumstance, turned into a brand new motorcycle after touching some mysterious money. . . .

I have heard stories about men turning into vultures, read or heard stories about bullet proof charms, people living inside trees, human being vomiting knifes, nails, live animals all as a result of juju but I have NEVER seen any evidence to support those tales. . .Everything about them begins and ends in stories, if there is any one with video or pictorial evidence of such occurrence I will like the person to post it here on this thread. . .

frosbel:
What belief 

That Steve Jobs is in Hell 

You have lost me totally.

Enjoy your day !!

Yeah, is that not what you believe, he was a buddhist. . . .According to your beliefs buddhist go to hell when they die, no?. . . . .

frosbel:
'So much that is Christian' is a sad place to be.

Have you heard of the almost christian, like the rich young ruler , Herod or King Agrippa . They came close to believing but never accepted Jesus.

People can sound like Jesus and make wise statements, but alas if they reject him as their saviour, it is all pointless.

I am not condemning Steve , he might well have repented during his illness and before death , it's just to suggest that sounding like Solomon or Jesus does not make one a Christian.

philip0906:
What has this load of crap u typed here got to do with anything?Atleast these peeps believe in something

Atheist also believe in many things. . .Man made Gods happen to be something they do not believe in. . . .So try again. . .

what has our bad society got to do with religion?Sudan,somalia are predominantly islamic countries,but are in the lower rungs of the economic and political stability ladder.Qatar,UAE,saudi arabia practice d same islam,yet are economically stable.Brazil is becoming a world economic powerhouse and it has a 75 percent catholic population(the most catholic nation in the world and one of the most religious).India is also a highly religious country and d last time I checked,where just behind China in the world fastest growing economy.So what are u chattering about dude?
@mods
C d more reason y my plea being granted would be highly appreciated?

The guy implied that lack of belief in God is what is making our society bad that was why I asked him that question, learn to read. . . .Is Brazil becoming a power house because its catholic or because the people are utilizing all of the country's resources?. . . .Same with India. . . .Are the countries becoming power houses because they are religious or because they are properly utilizing all of their resources?. . . .

^^

Is it not true that you hold such beliefs?. . .

frosbel:
Feel sorry for him 

I am an avid iphone user and admirer of apple products.

Otherwise no further comment on your other nonsense 

Thought you believe he is somewhere in hell right now cos he was a buddhist. . . .

frosbel:
'So much that is Christian' is a sad place to be.

Have you heard of the almost christian, like the rich young ruler , Herod or King Agrippa . They came close to believing but never accepted Jesus.

People can sound like Jesus and make wise statements, but alas if they reject him as their saviour, it is all pointless.

I am not condemning Steve , he might well have repented during his illness and before death , it's just to suggest that sounding like Solomon or Jesus does not make one a Christian.

Its not everything that revolves around the bubble of delusion that you have been indoctrinated with. . .Steve Jobs to me is on the same level with Jesus. . . Billions of people the world over have been touched with his creativity and his creativity has helped humanity in so many ways. . . .Stop wasting your time feeling sorry for him. . . .He lives on through his inventions just as Jesus lives on through the religion that was created after him. . . .

frosbel:
mazaje and thehomer


Still dancing round in circular arguments

Bla bla bla sheep. . .

toba:
Are they not saying the truth? Theres no one that wants to be cursed u know?

Blessings and curses have no real effects. . .

God2man:
Although,i do not believe that there are atheists on nairaland, the truth is that there should be a clear distinction between those who believe in God and those who do not believe(if at all there is any). If not, our society will be worst, this is because people will take decisions that look so reasonable but it is against the will of God,which at the long run,it will boomerang later or backfire. In real life you do not go to church and visit an atheists again. It does not make sense. Moderators should reconsider this request and appeal to the administrator. God bless you. God2man.

How has religion or the belief in any God made your society(Nigeria) better?. . . .

Even without atheist here, the christians will NEVER agree on anything. . . .Back in the days it was the catholics vs the non catholics. . .YEC vs the Non YEC, prosperity gospel advocates and those that reason against it. . . . Thithers vs non thithers etc. . . .There has never been a time when christians agree on ANYTHING here. . . .Without the atheist here it will be the christians vs muslims with each side claiming that their imaginary God is better than the other. . . .

Image123:
^Man's sin has paved way for sickness, death and pain in the world. I'm not referring to the particular individual who's sick's sin but mankind from Adam. And it affects all and any because we're all here together, man and animal. It's like someone burning something on your street or constructing a bad road. The consequence like catarrh or accident may affect others even ahead/aside the culprit.

So man's sin is also responsible for animal sickness, eh?. . .Interesting. . .I thought the same God is believed to heal sickness when people pray to him and ask for healing, why not do away with it in the first place?. .

vedaxcool:
A man that does not even know any verse in the Qur'an save what the slowpoke atheist elders he follows tells him, you indeed deserve condelences, for u to hahve been trained not to think for your self is the greatest victory your atheist programmers have gained over you. I repeat your ancestors nor your foolish atheist elders can ever pen any of the words the THE MAJESTIC place in the Qur'an.

What is this man saying?. . . .What is so special about the koran, what is it that is written inside that has not been written else where?. . .

Ignoramus no Yoruba man belive that Sango created the world, only a mediocre atheist that has no bearing at all can say such ignorant slants, they believe Oludumare created the world, all religion always have a central God who wields all power, using your small sense try and connect the dots why religion all tend to a single mighty being, we believe all religion except Islam under went corruption hence wrong belief crept into them.

Another lie. . .Some religions believe in pantheon of Gods. . . . .They believe that the universe was created by many Gods. . . .Why won't you believe that all other religions are corrupt except islam?. . .how else will you believe that islamic hypothesis and live in its bubble of delusion?. . .

If you can prove the bolded I will consider you a little more intelligent than the swines in the street, until hypocritical atheist like your self can live by their own false claim of rationality, only then would atheism be consider a way of life, but as long atheist keep making claims they cannot substantiate we in turn owe them not even a single ounce of evidence to prove any thing. u are a mediocre 4 life.

You are a muslim ONLY because you were born into the religion and systematically forced and indoctrinated to accept the religion and its teachings while discarding other religions and their theology as false since from childhood. . .If you were born into a christian family you will be here telling us how Jesus is God and the only way to heaven. . .

The pain of defeat lives on indeed!

What ever keep singing yourself imaginary praises and according yourself imaginary victories. . . .

vedaxcool:
victim of the devil ploy, mediocre you need to read, as your replies always certainly show in-depth ignorance and contagious imbecility!

Bla bla bla sheep. . . . .

How did you know you have a mouth, head or even common sense for that matter? WE WERE ALL TRAINED!   How did you know Osama is dead? or He is responsible for 9-11? or That Obama is actually the president of the US? you never verified any of this, you have no concrete evidence save what was reported to you? when you can figure out this small riddle then you might escape the devil ploy - atheism- but as long as you live within your mediocre level there is no help that can be offered to you.

How do I know I have a mouth? . . .I can touch and feel it. . . .Sure we are all trained and most times what we are thought to believe or accept are simply false. . .I know Obama is the president of the united states of America because I was in the USA and I witnessed his swearing in ceremony. . . .I don't believe the American government account of the Osama story because it doesn't make any sense to me. . .Have you ever seen, heard or seen a picture of Prophet Mohammed? Why did you accept the Mohammed story and refuse to accept the story of Buddha?. . .

You say the Qur'an are the words written by men and plagiarized from Jewish/christian books, youn deserve condolence not pity, for the death of the reasoning faculty in any man deserve strong bouts of empathy and condolences. Where are your evidences for the above, Do you have any verifiable hard evidence that points to how this copying took place or is this another mental brain killing that your athesit elders slammed on your mediocre brain?

YES, the Koran and everything about it are the word of ordinary men, there is NOTHING in it that could not have been written by the ancient men that lived when it was written, the koran adds NO new knowledge to humanity. . .Many Greeks, Romans and Christians of that time have written books that to me are even better than the Koran. . .The koran was plagiarized from the bible. . .All its prophets were stolen from the biblical stories and their names were changed. . .So many biblical stories were incorporated into the koran. . .The understanding of the writers of the koran were limited. . .They not only plagiarised the bible but were also lacking in understanding sequences of events and the roles that certain people played. For example they thought that Mariam, the mother of Jesus, was the same as Mariam, the sister of Moses in the Jewish scriptures . . .There are just snatches of stories in the koran which are stolen from the bible distorted and made to differ from the biblical ones. . . . A lot of the biblical stories were either changed or omitted in the koran. . .

Yet no Book offers what the Qur'an has, no book ever encouraged men to think, understand and use their faculty of reasoning by the Qur'an, indeed deaf, dumb and blind they will never return to the path for surely they are false to themselves!

This man has completely lost it. . . . .The koran does not contain a single original moral value and it contributed only one new idea to world religion  and that is Muhammad is Allah's last prophet. Nothing in it is new and it does not add or contribute any new knowledge. . .If no book has ever encouraged men to think like the koran then you will expect muslims that read it to be using their faculties more than those that don't read it no?. . .The greatest thinkers  in the world are not muslims, the greatest scientist, philosophers and inventors and not even arabs or muslims, so what the heck are u talking about?. . .There is absolutely nothing in the koran that could not be written by men that lived at that time. . .Nothing special about the book. . .

vedaxcool:
, oh dear answering what was never directed at you, or do you view harakiri as being to dumb to reply?

frosbel:
Nobody said he wasn't  

But then Buddhism does believe in a form of deity , as diabolical as this may sound !!!!

Nope Buddhism is an atheistic religion with no central deity. . .It isn't diabolical. . . .Its just a religion just like yours. . .No reason to believe or evidence to show that your religion is better than it in any way. . . .

Steve Jobs was a Buddhist. . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs

frosbel:
Of course he is a theist.

Where is the evidence?. . . .

By the way this is not about Jesus, don't try to find the easy way out.

The title was theist scientist wins nobel chemistry price.

Where is the evidence that he is a theist?. . .

And this is not a religious debate, I am not a fanatic with a bell in hand and white garment to go with it    , I am simple trying to make you et all aware that science and GOD are not in disagreement , but more importantly that science does not necessarily make any case for atheism.

Most of the scientific theories with regards to origins disagree with the God hypothesis, no?. . .What exactly do you mean by God?

frosbel:
Suddenly atheists have gone quiet     The room has never been this quiet for months now 

Job done , 'enemy' vanquished !

messieurs , mission accomplie.

Signing out,

Soilder for Christ , FROSBEL.

merci beaucoup d'amis Davidlyan, Enigma et Athelia

Firstly the guy might even be an atheist after all. . .Even if he is not the guy does not believe in Jesus and he did not get any of his revelations from Jesus, if the guy is a practising Jew then he believes that Jesus is a false prophet or a mythical figure. . .How you you turned this into a religious debate is what I really can not understand. . .

Pls where does it say that the guy is a theist?. . . .Or is it because he happens to come from Israel?. . . .Does Frosbel know that about 40% of the Israeli population are atheist?. . .


In yet another example of the ENTIRE scientific community being wrong and ONE man being right, a Jewish scientist proves that ‘science was wrong.’ Just like one man thought the earth revolved around the sun, right?

And yet, atheist scientists continue their historic arrogant march of ignorance- blinded by their own hubris, so sure in their ability to ‘know’ anything at all and their NEED to believe what they want to believe.  In the article below, you will see a ‘good’ scientist who believes in humility and the possibility that ANYTHING is possible. Ridiculed by the ‘best scientists’ of the modern-day and ignobly kicked out of the prevailing science community, he rises supreme above them all in victory as he claims the most coveted recognition in the science community- the Nobel Prize. He takes a dig at his nemesis, Linus Pauling, who mocked him as a ‘quasi-scientist’. Pauling took pride in being one of the 50 Greatest Atheist Minds of all time. Pauling proves the point I made in my previous article, “Why Atheists Make the Worst Scientists’, to a tee.

Good science is not, nor ever can be, based on what can NOT be.  It must always keep its mind open to the possiblity that ANYTHING is possible.  Hence, atheist scientists’ claim that a belief in God is ‘unscientific’, ‘illogical’, or ‘irrational’  is equal nonsense.  A good scientist will always admit that.

I hope Enigma knows that about 95% of the members of the NAS which is the most prolific and prestigious body of scientist in the world today are atheist. . . .A lot of them have won so many Nobel peace price that it no longer means anything to them. . .The guy might even be an atheist no body knows. . .

vedaxcool:
The devils try to make evil seem fair in the heart of man.

What exactly is this?. . .What has evil got to do with what I asked you? Are you trying to equate atheist with evil or what?. . . .again when did any devil tell you  in arabic language i suppose that atheist are part of his ploy?. . . .

The same you know anything.

How did you know that Allah revealed the koran, you just bought into the lies the writers of the koran wrote to give it legitimacy, no?. . . .The hindu  Goddess sheevar also revealed part of the verders. . .How can you prove to me that such assertions made by the hindu's are false?. . . .The Kona and everything written inside are words of men. . .Arabic men and the stories they plagiarized for the christian and jewish bibles. . .

The Ignoranant always ask what is written in a book. the Qur'an remains consistent within and without, the hope that I read, the path that is clear and it tells me the place I want to be.

Many other books are consistent within and without. . .The fact that the koran promises you imaginary things after you die if you accept its stories and the way of life it advocates still doesn't mean that it is nothing but the works of men like you. . . .

Yet your entire ancestors could not even pen a page of what is written therein.

We are not talking about my ancestors. . .Again there is nothing that is written in the Koran that could not be written by others living at that time. . . .There is no new knowledge that is to be found in the koran about the universe or the world even at that time. . . .Nothing speaicl about it or differentiates its credibility from other religious books. . .

Your statement always shows how ignorant you actually are. It indicts your way of life and dis values commons sense. What evidence do you have that it is n't the word of the creator of the universe, when i dealt with your in the Tai solarin thread I thought i had cured you of a very deadly disease but it seems you relapse back into it again. Allah is the creator of teh universe and any sane individual will see the link that all religion always point at an ultimate creator.

You believe that Allah is the creator of the universe but others believe that its Sango, others believe that then pantheon of the Greek Gods came together and created the universe. . .Others believe that the pantheon of Hindu Gods created the universe. . .Your evidence to show that Allah alone created the universe and not the pantheon of Hindu Gods is WHAT?. . . .

If you are not rational enough to think it is no fault of mine, I have dealt with this same foolish points of your numerous times but since you have not new point to argue then we have to induldge u. Your foolish point on a child dying again shows the tradegy that atheism is, glorified ignorance, as a child dying is clearly an indication that Allah has desytined him not to live long, Allah does not punish people by inflicting injury/death on other people, though we might be touched by such situation, again some one having a accident could be a test of faith or plainly the person destiny. The short sighted ones are the grave ignorance who are drunkenly ignorant to the extent that they are willing to accept hear say evidence, willing to say Osama is dead without seeing his dead body, willing to believe a bridge can assemble itself without any human intervention, willing to deny creator etc

I don't have any problem with your theology as long as you keep it to yourself. . .Muslims believe that Allah controls everything and what ever happens was already destined to happen by Allah but the same Muslims do not live by that. . .Religions the world over all have weird theologies. . .You are the one that is accepting hear say evidence, where you there when the angle was reveling the koran to mohammed?. . .Yet you believe it don't you?. . .The ONLY reason you believe it is because you were systematically forced and indoctrinated to accept it. . .If the koran is the word of the creator of the universe and so convincing as you allege then why is is it that over 80 percent of the world's population consider it to be false?

This same foolish question has been dealth with, refer to https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-723007.0.html
Inchoherent garbage indeed.

Keep on singing your self imaginary praises. . . .

vedaxcool:
Indeed it was short but still remained incoherent.

Every body's question is always incoherent. . . .

Ignorance is not trendy nor cool, The Qur'an remains the book of refrence to which the wise seeks guidance,

What is this? If this assertion then we would expect muslims to be wiser than every body since the Koran as you alleged is a book of reference where the wise seek guidance. . .Any evidence to show that muslims are wiser than anybody because they seek guidance from the koran?. . .Again there is NOTHING written inside the koran that could not be written by primitive and ancient  men. . . .The koran does NOT contain any new knowledge. . . .There is nothing written inside that is new to men and that could not have been written by men. . .In fact men have written better books about morals and the nature of the world and the universe than the Koran. . . .The ordinary biology test book used in secondary schools explain life and the characteristics of living things and the ecology more than the Koran can ever explain it. . . .

I do not need seeing Allah to believe in his existence, I know his existence because I feel his impact every day, Allah left me the Qur'an which are his words to mankind on how we should live, Muhammad pbuh spoke to me thru the haidths he left behind and the moral legacy I follow.

How do you feel Allah's impact by performing some silly religious ritual everyday or what? . . .Allah did NOT leave you any Koran. . . .The people that wrote the Koran said that the Koran was written by Allah. . . .Men wrote the Koran and everything it says. . . .The Hindu Gods also wrote the verders no?. . . .

The Qur'an makes convincing argument against disbelief, the Qur'an authenticates itself, had it been from any other than Allah they would have find therein many contradictions. My ancestors where never conqured by anybody. and only accepted Islam around the 19th centuary. you ask what else do i know of Islam except what I have been taught as a child again points to the incoherent nature of atheism a delusion by Marxist, how does one answer a question that borders on undilluted ignorance?

So the quran makes convincing arguments against disbelief, eh? I have news for you, the bible also makes convincing arguments against disbelief and it says disbelievers like YOU will pick holes it in, mock it, scoff it and tell lies about it all in your unbelief and at the end of it all you will spend eternity in hell for disbelieving in it. . . .So because a book does not contradict it self means it was written by Allah, eh? if that is the case then all books that do not contradict themselves must be written by Allah , no?. . . .As a child you were not thought but forced to accept Islam, you were systematically forced to accept its teaching, doctrines and theology before you could even reason on your own. . .If you were born into a christian family I knwo you will be here telling us how Jesus is God and how inspired the bible is. . . .

frosbel:
Atheism is defined by Webster's New World Dictionary as, "1. the belief that there is no God, or denial that God or gods exist. 2. godlessness". An atheist, therefore, is a person who believes that there is no God. But what does the Bible say?

God has different meaning to different people. . . .You are also an atheist when it comes to other Gods because you deny their existence. . .The only difference between you and me is that I also deny your own God. . . .

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
PSALMS XIV:I

A fool says in his heart that there must be a God because of endless indoctrination
Mazaje XIV:I

Atheism is a belief system that ardently denies the existence of God. God calls the atheist a FOOL. Many atheists spend much time and effort attempting to "disprove" that God exists. According to Romans chapter 1 they know that He exists, but they want to control their own lives and not submit to the Lord. They are actually rather tragic figures just like any other unsaved individual. It is hard to live out their atheism--if they did, they'd actually be considered crazy like O'Hair was.

Theism is the belief system that tries to propagate the myth that some God or Gods exist and Mazaje calls such theist a FOOL. . . . Many theist spend much time and effort creating Gods and mythical narratives about such God(s) concept and lying to people about their mythical or legendary constructs. . . .Lets take your religion for example. . .Men wrote the bible, men decided to ascribe what ever they wrote to what ever concept of God that they choose or saw will best fit their wishes. . .No God ever said anythoing in the bible, men said evrything written in the bible and ascribed it to what ever concept of God they had in mind same with the Koran and all religious text out there. . .The bible is just 2nd, 3rd and 4th-hand reporting of legendary or mythical events, if you leave in the supernatural beings from yahweh to the prophets to those who wrote it down and collected it (the editors). . . . .Take away the supernatural and you're left with the editors, either lying or deluded about the things they wrote. . . .

The atheist's RELIGION (which is simply a system of beliefs based on a philosophy) of atheism is simply a way to try to block out and override the truth--the ol' ostrich-head-in-the-sand technique:

If you try to tell 'em the truth, they say "Shut up!" stick their heads in the ground and shout--"There's nobody there,there's nobody there, there's nobody there, I tell you!See, I can't see 'em!"

Well, atheist reader, Somebody is there and His truth has stood from the beginning of time and will continue for all eternity. God is not dependent on you in any way. Blasphemies, wars, famines, and political appointments come and go, but when the dust settles, there's Jesus. And there is nothing you can do about it but breathe out hot air. You will humble yourself before the Lord Jesus or you will be ground to powder.

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
--Jesus Christ
Matthew 21:44

Atheism is a religion. . Next!!!. . . .

Most atheists have what I call the Don Quixote Syndrome. Let me explain. Cervantes wrote a book about Don Quixote a long time ago. Don Quixote would attack windmills as if they were his enemies. Of course a windmill is nobody's enemy. If what the atheist believes is REALLY his belief, then he would leave people like me alone.

After all, if God did not exist, He and His followers would be no enemy to the atheist. We'd just be deluded people. Therefore IF the atheist REALLY believes there is no God and the fool attacks a Christian, then he has the Don Quixote Syndrome because the Christian is not his enemy. Nevertheless, God is real and THAT is why atheists have all these organizations and debates to "prove" that God does not exist. Atheist reader, if you would just be true to what you purport to believe, then you wouldn't have the Don Quixote Syndrome.

God(s) do not exist in reality, belief in such Gods is what exist. . . Allah, Sango, Vishnu, Shivar do not exist in reality it is the belief in them and religions created based on such beliefs and stories about them that exist. . .Atheist do NOT hate any God cos all Gods are imaginary, atheist dislike the followers of religion based on what they do. . . .

My old pastor once ministered to an old atheist who had been a card-carrying atheist for decades--but as he laid on his death bed, he wanted a pastor. I don't know if he got saved or not. When it's time to die, many atheists are understandably uneasy and those that aren't should be terrified.

The highlighted part is a lie. . .Believe my stories or face the imaginary wrath I have been conditioned to believe in eh? How long with this lame scare tactics of yours continue. . .We are tired of this lame scare tactics already. . . .What you are saying is that people should accept your culture or suffer when they die. . .The fact that the punishment you guys are promising will allegedly take place after death is very telling.

There is hope for the atheist. He can be saved. In fact, there are plenty of atheists that have come to Jesus Christ. I refuse to argue with them, but will answer honest questions. Unfortunately, many atheists ignorantly say hard things against the Lord Jesus Christ and His people. Don't let fancy titles and big words shake your faith in the One who holds your eternal destiny.

Think about this: [b]What does the atheist have to offer you? Eternal life? Spiritual comfort? Love? Kindness? Comfort in the midnight hour when no one is around? [/b]No, none of these. He has nothing to offer you but blasphemy, hell fire and the wrath of God. The atheist will tell you fabulous fairy tales like :

What exactly is all these, so christianity has love to offer, comfort, kidness etc, eh? The evidence to show that christians are more loving, kind and live fulfilled lives than atheist is WHAT?. . .The author is just lying to him and begging the question. . .

you were spontaneously generated from a rock,
a monkey is your daddy,
a fish is your cousin,
you have no hope,
you should just live for today,
when you're dead, you're dead.
If you follow their ignorant advice and die without Christ, you WILL forever regret it and you will remember that someone told you the truth and you scoffed.

Again the fact that that the punishment you guys are promising will allegedly take place after death is very telling . . . .

Atheists try their hardest to argue a fact that is firmly established--God is real. You cannot look on His creation and its ways and honestly deny it. I won't argue that 2+2=4 and I won't argue that God exists. An atheist once wrote and said, "2+2 is not necessarily 4". Well, write any other number on your math test and see if you get it right.

I thought its the christian that says that 1+1+1 = 1?. . . .Jesus is God, he is the holy spirit and he is at the same time sitting at the right hand of God. . .How can Jesus be God and still be sitting at the right hand of God. . . .I know , I know I need some divine delusion to be able to understand that mystery. . .

The bottom line is that atheism is a false belief system composed of fools--it's not new--the Bible told us about atheism thousands of years ago. Is there a real atheist? No. The closest thing to it is someone who has told themselves a lie so many times that they begin to believe it's true.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/atheism.htm

The bottom line is that theism is a false belief system composed of fools. . . .Its not new men have always been creating various Gods in their own image and according to their various cultural or personal understanding of how they see things or how they imagine things to be. . .If the author of the airticle was born to a muslim family in Iran he wil be here telling us that there is no God but Allah. . .

frosbel:
On a more serious note, I worry day and night for atheists. I dread to think what will be their fate if they were 'to kick the bucket' any time or today for that matter.

I have them as friends at work, and what baffles me is when we have lunch chats , I keep probing them with questions until in many cases they accept that they are actually agnostic.

Really sad !!!

You should worry more for yourself because Allah is going to roast you in hell for all eternity when you die. . . .

frosbel:
Ask him, he is sitting on your shoulder as we speak , 


https://www.nightmarefactory.com/MR146005.jpg

It doesn't matter does it? According to you hypothesis, me and vexdacool are all sons of the mythical devil, no?. . .

vedaxcool:
Atheism is clearly the ploy of the devil,

When did the mythical devil appear to you and told you that atheism is his ploy?. . . .

but one thing should be clear to you, from an Islamic perspective, Misfortune can befall even the best of Humans, As Allah has revealed, this world is a test, misfortunes some times are meant for us to take stock of where we are getting it wrong, other times they are meant to test whether our faith is genuine so people blaming your predicament on your atheism, can only be said to be short sighted,

How did you know that Allah reveled anything? What is so special about the Koran? There is nothing written in the Koran that could not have been written by men that lived during the period it was written. . . .Beside the lies written by the authors of the Koran that the book is the final relevation of their God what evidence do you have to show that the Koran is the words of the creator of the universe? Your evidence to show that the universe has only one creator is WHAT?. . .Many hindus(about a billion of them) believe that the universe has many creators. . .Your evidence to show that Allah created the universe and not Vishnu and the other monkey Gods of India is WHAT?. . . . .So according to Islam when a child dies Allah might be using it to test the child's parent's or when a muslim gets invloved in an accident and loses his ability to ever walk again Allah is testing the person's faith eh?. . . .The people that are short sighted are people that believe that some 7th century imaginary God entity that was created by the ancient arabs by stealing stories from the christian and jewish bibles is testing them when misfortune befalls them. . .  

your refusal to accept God does not diminish his majesty nor does it subtract anything from HIM.

Hope you know that the word God does not have a universal meaning. . . .Belief in God has more to do with the region and family you are born into and the period you are born, if you were born some 5000 years ago in Egypt you would have been worshiping Ra, If you were born 3000 years ago in Greece you would have been worshiping Zeus. . . .If you were born in Bengol India you would have been worshiping the various Goddess of Hindu. . . .Your arabic God called Allah is just one of the many Gods that humans invent and worship. . . .Over 80 percent of the humans alive on earth today do not believe in him and believe is just one of the other false or idol Gods out there. . . .But since you have been born into the Islamic bubble of delusion and made to accpet its doctrines and mytholgy hook line and sinker you are here telling us that there is no God but Allah. . . .There is no evidence to show that your Allah God is any better than Sango God or any other God that humans worship out there. . . .All of them are human constructs that remain imaginary. . . .If every body refuses to accept the stories of Mohammed about Allah, the God called Allah will die and ceases to exist. . . .It is not that Allah exist any way. . .It is the belief in Allah that exist. . .When people stopped to believe in Gods like Ra and Zeus the Gods died, So many of our traditional African Gods stopped existing once the arabs and europeans came and systematically or forcefully stopped our ancestors from believing in them. . .Gods do not exist on their own. . .Belief in Gods is what exist. . . .

In Islam we believe that God showers his mercy on all, for it takes the mercy of Allah to be alive.

What has your beliefs got to do with reality, we are talking about reality and you are here regurgitating ancient mythology written by the ancient arabs from plagiarized sources. . .The same Koran says that Allah dislikes the unbelievers, no?

toba:
No this is not true. every human being must know that we dont think in the same way neither do we view things in the same way. When a theist or an atheist are engaged in a discussion and the atheist  tends to be hyper-reactive to a particular subject resulting to insult and calling names etc especially when it comes to the God subject, this is what im talking about. when u choose as an atheist to forcefully drive home your points by what ever means, is what im saying. Im sure u cant deny that this happens here on Nl. Though not all atheists are guilty of this but some are.

Your assertions are not completely true cos more theist rain insults than atheist on this forum. . . .The first person to ever call me a fool on nairaland is a theist(davidylan) cos I was stating my position as an agnostic who wasn't sure of christianity any more. . . .The first person to ever threaten me with death was a christian. . .I don't have the time to check my prevouis post and send you a link to the topic right now, But what he said was he will like to see me in real life and put and end to my miserable life of Godlessness. . .Some muslims have also threatened me with acts of violence. . .Others just use words like" I wish we were in the OT times so that I can happily watch as God will end your life". . .Atheist are insulting as well but its from both sides and you can never see an atheist threatening another person with violence here on the theist do that here. . .

U are getting something wrong here. Theres clear difference when its theist vs theist and atheist vs theists. In the example u cited, its a case of a theist trying to prove a point to a theist. Dont forget that both believe in a God unlike the atheist that claims not to. also there are some similarities between the Muslims and the Christians, in that some of the stories u find in the bible are also recorded in the Qur'an. I see that as a case of one theistic side trying to claim to the other that mine is better than yours which i see as pointless.

Its still the same. . . .Some christians for example are always happy to say that muslims, atheist, and other sect of christianity that do not agree with their own sect of opinions of the bible are all the same. . . .Atheist aren't scared of any God/Gods. . . .Why should you be scared of something imaginary. . .Remember that one more than one occasion some christians have opened a thread challenging the atheist to come and test God to show that they aren't afraid of him by taking some challenge like telling God to make us blind the next minute if he is not real, many of us have taken that challenge many times here on NL . . .I personally am not afraid or angry at any God cos all Gods are imaginary. . .Its the beliefs in the Gods that are real and it is the belivers that scare me or make me angry not the Gods themselves because to me they are imaginary. . . . 

In the case of the atheists, its clear that they dont want to subject themselves to the rules of being submissive to the God/god governing a particular belief out of fear. Of course to believe in a god/God would require u to be subjected to some controls. this the atheists are scared of.

Atheist are living under the governing laws of the societies they live in so I don't really understand what you are saying. . . .

U are still missing the point. the thread is aimed at looking at the similarities that may exist between the theist and the atheist. One of such similarities, u just showed now which is the case of believing in evolution. Some sect amongst both sides believes in evolution. However its pertinent to note that they probably believe in evolution differently. How do i mean? a theists that believes in evolution believes so and would probably have at the back of his or her mind that this evolution didnt just happen without a god/God behind it or a particular spirit being that propelled those energy that were present ab initio. An atheist on the other hand believes we just evolved and evolution just happened spontaneously without a god/God or any spirit-being behind it. This can be seen as both similarities and differences. Whilst both hold on firm to this belief yet both cant accurately say what exactly was or happened before the big b, ang. They both hold on to this 'blind faith' that only if something extra ordinary happens, their faith remains unshakeable. atheists' case appears to be the worse cos whilst some theists have faith in God, some atheists blindly defend evolution as more of a fact than a theory. U know what im talking about. Not all atheist hold this same belief but some do even right here on nairaland. This is blind faith to defend whats yet to be confirmed as a fact by science.

Ok. . .Fair enough I get what you are saying. . . .

You would do well to show me where and how i did project myself as a god/God.

Every body is always self projecting him/her self as God all the time, every body just imposes his own opinion and interpretation of what the bible says as the words or opinion of the God they are talking about that is why we have so many sects in christianity and that is also the reason why many sincere believers disagree almost all of the time. . .Let me give you and example. . . .Some Christians will dismiss more of the bible, others less. Some in pious sounding ways, and others more flagrantly. . . . . The better educated, more articulate Christians might perform mental gymnastics to explain biblical contradictions and write grand systematic theologies to describe their Gods, while the uneducated ones might tell you only what they feel in their hearts and the religious yuppies will tell you what meaning they take from the bible. What each Christian is telling you, though, in her or his own way, is that he or she is God. . . . .

Yes. whats the big deal about that? Do u have any empirical proof that God doesnt answer prayers?

If God answers prayers as the christians say, then there will be evidence to show for it. . . .

No. this doesnt always matter. God said he would have mercy on whom he would have mercy on. The muslims calls God the God that sends rain on both the good and the evil. Im yet to see how the sun or the moon or the rain would  beat or shine on some particular individuals whilst ignoring or avoiding the others.

What has sun, moon or rain got to do with specific actions of prayers? I gave specific examples. . . Christians pray to God for special protection and for healing from diseases. . .Atheist do not, if the christian hypothesis is true then there should be evidence to show that christians suffer less harm and heal faster from diseases than atheist, no?. . .The bible says that Jesus will answer the prayers of those that have faith so that the name of the father will be glorified so that unbelievers will see and believe, no?. . .

hmm hmm. God still appears to people to date. Do u have any evidence that he doesn't? This may appear subjective yet it does happen. if i told u that i slept last night and i saw God in my dreams and he gave me some steps to take, how can u confirm it to the true or false? Is there any machine or scientific equipment that can be used to measure or determine what happens in spiritual realm or in dreams?

People imagine things all the time. . .Its a natural thing to have imaginations or hallucinations. . . .If you tell me that you saw God in your dreams then I will tell you you had a dream which is normal and people normally dream about things that preoccupies their minds. . .People dream about seeing or having visitations from aliens from other planets etc. . .Nothing new. . .The human mind has a great sense of imagination. . .

Does that still make him a visible being? Jesus was seen according to the bible. He ate wined and dinned with fellow human beings. Is there any part in the bible that says the God that Jesus always referred to as my Father in heaven ate wined and dinned like every other human being? Do u have the skin colour of God if hes white or Black? Do u know where he lives to determine that hes indeed a physical entity that can be handshaked?

Christians say that God is a physical entity no? On the other thread a girl said she want to heaven and saw God. . .She drew what she said she saw God looked like. . .And the image she drew was that of a white man with complete human features. . .Hands, long blonde hair, blue eyes etc. . .The other child portrayed  the same picture of God. . He saw a white man as God. . . .

OLAADEGBU:
Are you serious? So if viaro posted it does that make it an evidence? If that story gets published in a scientific journal that means that scientists who are evolutionists are only trying to project their evolutionists beliefs as science, if they can say the theory of evolution is science what stops them from saying 'deja vu' is also science? Didn't I tell you that you guys are willing to accept any idea apart from the truth in the Bible as facts?

Really. . .So because you happen to be indoctrinated with the biical stories and myth means they are true and other stories are false, no? So what if you own story about that child going to heaven? The child that appeared on fox news and his dad are christians and the wrote and book about his experience which they are selling. . .Their motivation might be money and we know people tell lies to make money ALL of the time. . . .

Jesus was Jewish and coupled with the fact that her parents were atheists goes on to say that she did not have the concept of God when she received the visions and gift of painting at the age of 4.

Jews look more like the Arabs of today nothing close to what the girl saw. . . .She could have heard about Jesus from friends in school or the parents of her friends and imagined it. . . .The story does not say she wasn't thought how to paint as you insinuated. . . .Many christains believe that God can't be seen . . . . .Where are the christians that usually claim to have see God? They should please come to this thread to compare and contrast the God they saw with this girl's God.

She is obviously a very talented artist.

Her visions of "heaven" are nothing that couldn't be seen on earth. God is a really good looking white dude with blue eyes, pointed nose and other features of the white man. She anthropomorphises god like everyone else does. I imagine if she were born in Iran or Pakistan, her paintings would be of Muhammed and Allah, and she'd be singing the praises of Islam. . . . .

OLAADEGBU:
Was the little boy not supposed to evolve into something else when he 'reincarnates'  which is a natural progression that validates your myth called the theory of evolution or is it the 'scientific' explanation you give it.

He reincarnated into somebody else which is perfectly compatible with some of the views of reincarnation. . . .Funny how you refeuse to accept such a story when when some of such stories were published in a scientific journal that was posted here by viaro sometime ago. . . .

Look at the videoclip below.  How will you explain the visions and gifts of a 4 year old girl (whose parents were atheists), who had no concept of God. This girl goes on to describe vividly what she saw in heaven in her paintings that was never learnt.  Her paintings of the Jewish Jesus was confirmed by the other 4 year old boy as to what Jesus and heaven really looks like. It is somewhat strange that the CNN finds it difficult to mention the name of Jesus.

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So Jesus is a white man. . . .The girl said she saw Jesus and drew exactly what she say and the man she saw was a white man with blue eyes. . . .Interesting. . . .Who told you that her paintings were never learnt?. . , The story does not say her paintings were never learnt. . .