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MrBible:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Kz8FzruvQ?[/flash]

[size=13pt]This video shows that now in India they are trying to help the people who believe in vodoo, to know that it is fake.[/size]

[size=18pt]Please every body should watch this video[/size]. . .

Even the Indian government is craking down on their own juju men because they have all been discovered to be scammers. . .

whitedove:
I am sorry for whoever says that there is nothing like JUJU, let me tell you here that your exposure,education and so called civilisation will not be able to  explain anything as far mysticism,juju and Otumorkpo is concerned, since i wouldn't want to shy away from the meat of this post,i shall proceed to narrate my own experience,
Some years ago, i think circa 91,i and a couple of friend decided to visit a big uncle who is now pastor,when we got there,he asked us what would would like to eat, we said nothing but after persuasions we said we wil like Nasco short Cake;that was the in thing then for teenagers like us, the Man told us that the we will have to get it from the market.having said that we were expecting Him to give us money for the stuff, instead he asked one of us to kneel down.my friend whois now in Belgium knelt down and he handed a kind of mat to him and asked him to put on his head;this he did and he  now gave me one red cloth to open up @ this point i was shaking but he told us that there was no problem,i held the cloth at one end while the other end,and he started saying  what sounded like giberrish then that i have come to know as incantations, not quite 10 mins the guy that was kneling down said that the mat is becoming heavy .so the man stopped the incantations immediately i saw in living color a pack of Nasco short cake and he asked us to take as many as we wanted;we took and ate, while we were eating, my friend told me that while the incantations was going on he saw himself in the middle of a large supermakt where he carried the stuff from, the man also told us that if i had not held the red  cloth well,the guy would have been captured  right there in the market.

Tales by moon light. . . . .

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I won't

philip0906:
Since d arguementis that God is the creator and we are the creatures,Does a creator have any limit to what he should do with his creatures?if he does,who determines those limits?the creature or the creator?

Lets assume your God exist, what am saying is that he loves abortion since he is responsible for all the millions of spontaneous abortions that are taking place all the time, no?. . .

sylve11:
I have seen guys swallowing live snakes, was that suppose to be a magic?

Most mobile phones come with a camera, and many people have digital camera's next time record it and come and show us. . .Am tired of hearing all these lies. . .if you want to shut us up then please provide a video recording of a man swallowing a snake and post it here. . .

maasoap:
@OP, your intention was neither to seek the truth nor see picture/video link but to tell us that magic and juju do not exist. You've asked us and we'll share our experience with you. What I want to share here happened before introduction of camera phones in Nigeria.

So now with the introduction of camera phones all these myths and urban legends you are bandying suddenly stopped, eh?. . . .

1. I've seen soup being prepared using dry calabash and it didn't burn.

Its possible, it doesn't mean it has anything to do with juju. . . .After all people walk on burning coal, there is a scientific explanation for it, I have done it my self and their are video evidence for it all over the internet. . .google it. . .

2. I've seen yam being cooked inside black clay pot without adding water.

Again its possible what has that got to do with juju?. . .It's possible that the person you saw cooking the yam was using some cleaver technique or trick he invented and didn't share with you guys. . .

3. I've seen a friend bathed with acid during vigilante work. shirt, trousers and pair of canvas burnt but his skin didn't burnt.

This one I don't believe until you provide evidence, can you bring the person forward and let me bath him with acid?. . . .

Yet, this year Governorship election in Rivers State, I saw corp members with burnt skins when attacked with acid.
4. I know a man that whenever a visitor was coming to his house, the half calabash he hanged vertically to the ceiling would turn towards the entrance of his room but turn away from the entrance when no visitor was coming.
5. I saw a young man (in 1994) who was a rival to our dreaded brother beaten with a black ring (when passing in our area) and started foaming from the mouth like someone with epilepsy but immediately became okay when he was given table salt.
6. During Osun Osogbo festival in 2000, a local magician was using small hall to entertain us (spectators). Spraying sweets and chewing gums from nowhere, bringing dove out from empty can, etc. Then he called one small boy out and asked him to stand on a small box. After few incantations, the boy became lifeless and remained still. Then he removed the box underneath the boy and the boy was dangling in the air and we all clapped. Trouble started when the boy couldn't come back to life again. The magician started sweating profusely and after about 20 minutes, the boy came back to life. I didn't know what went wrong that night but I was really scared.

I just hope you know that magicians like David copperfiled and Chris angle have done such things. . .They even walk on water and levitate in the air, they make people and animals disappear, divide people into two halves, etc and they have all shown the secrets on you tube. . .Every thing is on you tube that is the videos and the secrets they use. . .

@OP, if you really want to slap someone as part of your research, I can take take you to Ifon Osun. Mail me at oladeleprince2005@yahoo.com

I don do that one tire, am tired of wasting my money travelling all over naija looking for evidence for juju believe me there is NOTHING that I have not done, including having to learn yoruba because I wanted to join some cult and see supernatural powers at work as described by our people, just ended up wasting my time and lost a semester during my masters degree because of the nonsense. . .If I were in Nigeria I would have mailed you and I would have taken your test. . .But am not in Nigeria at the moment. . . .

[quote author=obo_man link=topic=776990.msg9299087#msg9299087 date=1318079192]It's sad that majority of Nigerians still believe in this SHHIIT called Juju, How are we going to be creative (i.e put a man on Mars, find the cure for HIV, invent substitute for fossil fuels etc) if we keep believing in this poo,

Look at the Juju man that has developed bullet-proof vest (charm), He can easily sell his ideas to the world and make Billions, Do you know how many American and NATO soldiers that have been killed in this gulf war by guns? The most advanced bullet-proof we have is a body armour and as you and I know, it has its limitations.

People disappearing, Whao, maybe you lost focus and you thought he/she disappeared, Imagine if he/she is surrounded  by crowds and if the crowds are also actors and  suddenly shout to you the viewers that he has disappeared,

As for pins coming out of a body, that's very unbelievable, We need actual video evidence to believe it,

If I take a rain-maker to Somalia, a country that is currently experiencing drought and famine, will this rain-maker be able to command rain to fall? Do you think if there is such power, people will still be investing time and huge money on dams, irrigation and satellites ( to monitor weather)?

The problem with Juju believers is that they look out for things that are not there or things not worth bothering about.

In conclusion, when you mix  lazy mind with a fearful mind, you get a JUJU believer. I think that is what differentiates us from Europeans. Europeans are always probing while Africans are always believing, A prober controls his environment, a believer lives at the mercy of his environment. [/quote]Your post is the post of the year. . . .You can see what I am talking about with some of the replies on this thread. . .people are so superstitious that they do not even know that magic involves tricks. . . Magicians live David copper filed and Chris angle walk on water, levitate in the air, turn ropes into snake, make chicks disappear, etc. . .They do it as a means of entertainment and teach people about the tricks they use, its just an illusion. . .Despite all these our juju ancestors could not stop the white man from enslaving them and desecrating their juju temples. . .the white man forced their kids to accept his religion against their will and kill or bannised those of them that refused to let them have their way. . .one of the MAIN reasons people accpeted christianity was because the white people showed the people that their Gods and the juju they believed in was false. . .The white men walked into the evil forest, burnt down the Gods the people used to keep themselves in line destroyed the shrines and showed the people that juju was false, the people had no other option but to accept the religion and the God of the white man most especially their kids because it was demonstrated to them that juju was false. . .pls read Lord Laggard's book. . .

harakiri:
That "motorcycle transformation" tale is totally of the chain man! Even the producers of the movie TRANSFORMERS know that such a story line would be bad for business (imagine a boring movie whereby the "actor" changes into a motorcycle to fight bad guys). That sucks donkey a$$! ! !

With all their juju, they were still carried as slaves to foreign lands. With all their juju, there is still poverty and hardship in the land. With all their juju, Africa (or Black Africans to be specific) are retrogressively moving backward. With all their juju, touts keeping ruling them and looting billions and trillions of dollars. If you ask them why they do nothing about it, they'll tell you "Gofment juju strong ooo!". The same people will waste no time in lynching and burning the hungry thief who stole N100 but when they see these looters, they worship them as demi-gods forgetting that it's the looting of these thieves that brought about the conditions that made the thief steal in the first place.

The mindset of the black African needs urgent rehabiliation.

Nuff said!

How can we ever develop and start making things like cars and aeroplane when educated people with university degrees believe in outlandish things like a man turning into a motor bike, or families live in trees and travel with the tree where ever they go?. . . .The thing is that you will never see any video recording or picture from their moble phones to support these stories, we have mobile phone recordings of ministers and senators of different countries having s[i]e[/i]x all over the internet. . .Crazy

vedaxcool:
the cries of a mediocre per excellence

Keep blabbing. . . .

The cries of a mediocre, about the atom using dots to confuse your self simply shows again that what you saw was another person reports  have you seen osama in reality, we do not want second reports we want everything you believe to be your on observation without depending on other peoples report, vidoes. What i want is that everything you accept to be fact must have been verified by your self by being physically there, again do not depend on other peoples reports and videos. then we would see whether life is possible like that .

Firstly you do not even know that the atom can be seen using large microscopes that use electrons instead of light, if you did you wound't be asking me if I have ever seen the atom. . .Secondly when I hear things I try as much as possible to verify them. The koran makes extra ordinary claims without providing any evidence for it. . . .The bible and the hindu verders all make extra ordinary claims as well, the question is why do you accept the claims of the koran and not that of the bible or the hindu verders since you rely on second hand accounts of what was written inside? The people that wrote the bible claimed that they were inspired by the creator of the universe why do you believe the claims of the writers of the koran and not that of the bible?. . . .Is it because you happen to be born into a family that accepted the claims of the koran and systematically indoctrinated you with it? A simple yes or no will do. . .

I give only one answer the same way you are sure you saw osama, you verified obama victory is the same way i am absolutely sure of the authorship of the Qur'an, because all you wrote is based on second reports not your own first hand observation of what happened

There are video recordings of Osama and Obama, do you have any video recording to show mohammed recieving Allah's message in a cave? The stories of Obama and Osama are not extra ordinary. . . .The claim that the creator of the universe speaks the human language and sent an angle to write read out words to a man in a cave is extra ordinary and requires extra ordinary evidence. . . .There are more christians than muslims and the believe the bible to be the word of God, you don't obviously, what evidence do you have to establish that they are wrong and you are right beside indoctrination?. . . .If you were born into a christian family Jesus will be the only son of God to you, no?. . . .

You are a liar, your claim where clear:
the question is : we need concrete facts not hypothesis did you see the copying occur? Hausa man that is wholly ignorant of Islam, where did Muhammad ever claimed Allah's language is Arabic? prove all your claims and remain branded a Liar, mediocre per excellence. you either say you do not have such a source or say you just lied under continued fire from an  unrelenting Muslim. I beleive all sensible individual are begining to witnesss how atheist can never prove a single word of what they write.

I didn't see the copying occur but, the fact that the bible Hebrew bible predates the koran by at least 700 years says that all the koranic stories were stolen from it. . . .Why do muslims pray and recite the koran only in Arabic? Why don't muslims recite the koran or pray in their own languages buy ONLY in Arabic?. . . .

Deluded man i repeat  I will repeat It is pathetic how a full grown man can not even reason for himself, he cannot even make his points with calling for help from his atheist elders to rescue him as Veda is Xcooling him. As a godless victim of the devils plot I still fail to see how you could not even pick up the Qur'an and read it for yourself, M-E-D-I-O-C-R-E IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR THIS

You said that no book ever encouraged men to think, understand and use their faculty of reasoning like the koran and I said if your statement is true then you will expect muslims that read it to be using their faculties more than those that don't read it no?. . .You will expect the greatest thinkers to be muslims since they read from the koran and it challenges them to think and use their faculties like no other book as you said, no? The greatest thinkers  in the world are not muslims, the greatest scientist, philosophers and inventors and not even arabs or muslims, so what the heck are u talking about?. . .There is absolutely nothing in the koran that could not be written by men that lived at that time. . .Nothing special about the book, it does not even contain any knew knowledge. .By the way so many christians like davidylan and frosbel have declared many times here on NL that mohammed is the devil, why are they wrong?

[quote author=Wiz_khalifa link=topic=776990.msg9298636#msg9298636 date=1318073662]JUJU Z REAL, ND 4 DOSE ASKING 4 VIDEOS, DEREZ A VIDEO OF A GUY WALKING ON WATER, E WUS IN A POOL, PPLE WER EVEN SWIMMING UNDA IS FEET, REAL OR FAKE?? I DUNNO, [color=#990000][/color][/quote]It is false. . . The secets of how he did it was revealed. . .

Here is the video. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTE3WmMnovY

frosbel:

I asked you a simple question where in the body does the soul reside and what exactly is its function?. . . .

Main cause of miscarriage :

'About half of all early miscarriages happen because of a problem in the way your genetic material (chromosomes) combined when your egg and your partner's Fluid joined during fertilisation. You may never find out why this has happened, but it's more likely to be due to chance than to any underlying problem with either you or your partner.' - Statement by BUPA consultants

Other cases can be attributed to a poor immune system, medical conditions such as diabetes or even social factors such as stress or depression.

Yes. . .some 20-50 percent of pregnancies end up in spontaneous abortion any way. . . .Is it your God that is forming babies and making sure that the fetus is recognised as a hostile cell and killed by the mothers immune system, or  is it your God that sometimes makes sure that there is an incompatibility between the blood types of the mother and unborn child that makes life impossible?. . . You said God is the one that makes babies and he is against abortion, no?. . . 

and 

But there is no GOD   

All am saying is that if your God exist then he loves abortion, because so many pregnancies end up in abortion naturally. . .Sometimes with out the woman knowing. . .

GOD does not exist 

Assuming he does then he is most definitely a lover of abortion. . .

Okay explain first , so that I can tear your theories to shreds.

I am not a medical scientist, but I know enough biology to understand that the complexities surrounding the development of a baby in a woman's womb are far from some coincidence or accidental chance .

The intelligence that involves the formation of a zygote through meiosis to it's development into a grown baby through mitosis,  is too specialised and complicated to attribute it to some random occurrence.

But let me stop here and give you a long rope , that  I can use to  'hang' you and your  theories with 

What is this? Complex as the whole process is it is VERY imperfect and is vulnerable to many dysfunctional. . . .Nature is wasteful. . . .

Horrendous to say the least.

But let be give you my thoughts.

1. Selfishness. When we abuse our bodies with drugs and alcohol these sorts of freaks of nature could happenr
2. Immense Stress
3. Career women leaving off child bearing till their late 30s or 40s . Indeed western doctors have confirmed that pregnancy problems are more frequent in older women than younger.
4. Depleted uranium used in wars for example Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc
5. Nuclear disasters like the ones in  Chernobyl , Ukraine and Hiroshima , Japan. Many babies born were deformed.

These are just a few reasons, but you bet there are many more. One that strikes me as we speak is the drug industry and the tests they perform on humans worldwide, not to talk of some drugs which when taken to cure illnesses have adverse effect on other areas.

Why in your godless mind must everything be caused BY GOD. 

Where is our responsibility as Humans ?

I thought your said your God is the one that creates babies, am just asking you if he is the same God that created those babies? A simple yes or no will do. . . .

If GOD gave us life and a beautiful earth to live on but we abuse it to our own detriment, who do we blame, GOD . Get real !!!!!

Quite a lot of birth defects are as a result of genetics which is a natural occurrence. . .Genetic problems caused when one or more genes doesn't work properly or part of a gene is missing. . .Problems with chromosomes, such as having an extra chromosome or missing part of a chromosome is also the cause of many birth defect. . .Is it your God that is responsible for all these?. . . .Besides environmental and other factors like alcohol consumption etc

[quote author=m-ployer link=topic=776990.msg9298502#msg9298502 date=1318071804]You will still call it mere trick if you see one[/quote]Even magic has its limits. . .I won't see a naked man flying around or vomiting a live bat and call it a trick. . . .Where are the video recordings of such fantastic events pls?. . .

[quote author=m-ployer link=topic=776990.msg9298479#msg9298479 date=1318071488]@OP, you've made up your mind not to believe even before you asked the question[/quote]NO, there is NOTHING that I haven't done personally to establish this claims, from sleeping in the grave yard to beating up the most feared and much touted juju men to desecrating juju shrines, visiting babalowo and joining secret cults which are said to empower their members all because I wanted to see the power of juju at work. . .Believe me there is NOTHING that I have not done personally to experience these things and I can CONFIDENTLY tell you that it's all a FARCE. . .

norrisman:
@ OP

Are you educated or are you just looking for a laugh? How do you mean pictoral or video evidence? Is this a photoshop/ video effect compettition?

Go on youtube there are videos of ALL kinds of things, there are video recording of people's personal s[i]e[/i]x tapes on the internet, videos of ALL kinds of things exist on the internet which were recorded using mobile phones or personal cameras, when will some one use his/her mobile phone and record or take a picture of any event that shows pins, nails or live animals coming out of the human body? When will people use their mobile phones to record people turning into animals or some of the fantastic stories we are hearing here? As the saying goes extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence. . .

NO HEAR SAY OR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES PLEASE. . .PICTORIAL OR VIDEO EVIDENCE PLSSSSSSSSSSSSS. . . .ENOUGH OF THESE STORIES. . ,

27naira:
Freecocoaaaaaaa  

why you dey fry akara here?  

No be only akara ohh. .She dey fry masa sef join. . .

norrisman:
I have also seen real magic at Bar beach. This one no be dem say and it wasnt an illusion, It was real magic. Things disappearing and all that, No stage effects, nothing. Just me, friends and other spectators a few inches from the magician.

I still dont believe in juju though.

Magic has secrets and its nothing special. . .It involves a lot of tricks etc. . .Here is a video(out of so many in the series) on you tube that reveals the secret behind some magical feast. . . .The videos are many it reveals so many secrets that magicians use to deceive people. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz17-3Lad2E&feature=related


Am interested in the validity of all the juju claims we hear around africa and nigeria. . .

Naledi14:
If you dont believe then its fine but many people around the world do not all juju is used for bad deeds it just simply depends on the person. Jujuman/ witch docters/ traditional healers have been around since the begining africa has a rich history of them, some of them use thier knowledge for bad some for good just like everything in the world evil seems to be prevailing.

Why didn't they use their charms and special powers do destroy the white man when he came and desecrated their juju temples and made their children to stop practising their religion and practice the white man's religion against their wish?

freecocoa:
When I was in SS3 my family traveled to my hometown for xmas celebrations,when we got back to Abuja my mum started complaining that pins were pricking her inside her body,we all were like how possible is that,but it became unbearable as she couldn't sleep most night due to pains,she was later taken to a prayer house and with my eyes I saw pins being removed from almost every part of her body(plenty pins o,even some were like small nails)my mum was crying like a baby,and my dad do tell us things that happened to him but this is the closest I've gotten to  juju experience,I think its real.

What is happening here?. . . Op says NO HEAR SAY pictorial or video evidence PLEASE. . . .Where is the video recording of the pins coming out of your mums body? Why should I believe this lie?. . . .Eye witness testimonies are very unreliable and mostly useless most times. . . .

freecocoa:
I just remembered, a trailer hit and killed a 4 years old boy near our hotel,his intestines were lying on the ground,one of his hands cut, in short the trailer shattered the boy almost to pieces but a drop of blood did not come out from his body.
 Saome people said that witches have sucked all his blood before the accident,now if I didn't know the boy,I would say he was sick but the boy and his mum used to fry akara near our hotel,I used to see him play everyday with his mates,they were on their way to their biz place when the accident occured.

Where is the picture or video recording of the magnificent event?. . .

harakiri:
Yes! I would abort or support the abortion. It would be heartless and thoughtless of me not to do so. Bringing up such a child means a lifetime of misery not only to the parents but to the child (even the child will begin to hate themselves). I've seen it in several families and it's not something I wish on anyone. Apart from the stress, the rumors people start peddling is enough to stigmatize the parents e.g I know a man whose wife died during child birth. The child is a "bit" reetarded. The guy was a struggling guy feeding from hand to mouth until he got a huge windfall from an oil and gas deal. Today, he has been labelled as a ritualist who used the life of his wife and daughter for blood rituals. Even his own relatives are among those peddling these rumours. That's Nigeria for you.

No be small thing. . .Our people are completely lost. . . .

How do i post videos , the new codes dont seem to load now. . .

vedaxcool:
the cries of a mediocre per excellence

Bla bla bla sheep. . .

Let me summerize the questions u happen to dodge

mediocre Have u ever seen an atom in your entire godless life?

Yes I have seen an atom. . .Large microscopes that use electrons instead of light have been able to see single atoms as fuzzy pictures on film and I have seen it as well. . . .Have you ever seen the picture or any video recording of Mohammed?. . . .Are you part of the Muslims that believe mohammed ascended into heaven on the back of a winged horse? Do you have any picture or video evidence of this extra ordinary event?. . .  

Sure you never seen Osama in real life yet he exist to you

I have seen his videos. . . .I have seen his interviews and he calls himself Osama bin laden, I have never seen the President of Nigeria but I have seen him address himself on TV many times just like Osama. . .

Here is one video of Osama. . .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiKyWJRRjnU?t=4s[/flash]

Please where is your video or picture of Mohammed receiving the verses of the Koran from angle Gabriel?. . . .  

and you have not validated whether Obama actually won the elections.

I validated it from here. . .http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/, and here http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html, I watched as the results were coming in on televesion on election day. . . .Pls can you show me a picture of Mohammed or his video when he was recieving his inspirations in the cave?. . .

this where the posers given to you, a simple yes or NO would have done the trick. But sensing danger you immediately played dodge ball, a mark of your low brain count , sorry just kidding, but this indeed only proves my point about you atheist, you guys have hardly verified 1 zillionth of what you believe, accept and take to be hard facts.

Do you have any image of Mohammed?. . .How sure are you that he wrote any part of the Koran?. . . .Hope you know that extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence?. . .Your evidence to show that Mohammed was writing down or reciting the words of the creator of the universe is what?. . . .How are you sure that the writers of the Koran are telling you the truth and the writers of the bible or hindu verders are not telling you the truth?. . . .Pls answer these questions, a simple yes, no or I don't know will suffice. . . .

the question is : we need oncrete facts not hypothesis did you see the copying occur? Hausa man that is wholly ignorant of Islam, where did Muhammad ever claimed Allah's language is Arabic? prove all your claims and remain branded a Liar, mediocre per excellence.

Nothing like hypothesis there. . .All the prophets of the koran and their stories were stolen from the bible, hey were given arabic names and some of their stories distorted example the story of Jesus. . . .Muslims believe arabic words have holy power and a special relationship with Allah. Because of this, muslims pray and read the koran in arabic, no matter what their native language is that true or not?. . . .

I will repeat It is pathetic how a full grown man can not even reason for himself, he cannot even make his points with calling for help from his atheist elders to rescue him as Veda is Xcooling him. As a godless victim of the devils plot I still fail to see how you could not even pick up the Qur'an and read it for yourself, M-E-D-I-O-C-R-E IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR THIS

Again. . . .This man has completely lost it. . . . .The koran does not contain a single original moral value and it contributed only one new idea to world religion  and that is Muhammad is Allah's last prophet. Nothing in it is new and it does not add or contribute any new knowledge. . .If no book has ever encouraged men to think like the koran then you will expect muslims that read it to be using their faculties more than those that don't read it no?. . .The greatest thinkers  in the world are not muslims, the greatest scientist, philosophers and inventors and not even arabs or muslims, so what the heck are u talking about?. . .There is absolutely nothing in the koran that could not be written by men that lived at that time. . .Nothing special about the book. . .

harakiri:
As EVIL BRAIN suggested, it's best for you to turn off your brain now coz questions like these will only keep diminishing your belief in religion. If you choose to continue, add these few to the list :

(1) Why did the biblical god require Abraham to sacrifice his only son (that was gotten at old age) as a sign of faith? What if Abraham had succeeded in killing him? What kind of proof of faith is that? Even the boko haramists are not that cruel. Even if he didn't kill his son, the psychological damage has already been done both to father and son. If Abraham was your father, would you ever forgive him for that? In today's world, wouldn't such a man called a lunatic and sent to prison?

(2) Why did the biblical god have to sacrifice his son for the sins of creatures he supposedly created? Why couldn't he just forgive them or better yet, "reboot" the entire creation and fix the errors called sin? Why does he call himself a good,kind and loving god and yet, condemns his own supposed creation to eternal damnation for sins that were caused by his own creation (the serpent). If he is the all knowing god, then he should have known that humans would be tempted and they would fall. Why condemn them for his incompetence and lack of foresight? Does that sound like an all knowing god to you? Sounds more like the thinking of a sun scorched deranged goat herder from the middle east.

(3) Why are sins like ince$t condemned by death in the OT and yet,Lot slept with his two daughters and NOTHINH happened!

(4)How come homo$exuality is condemned by the bible and yet, David and Jonathan are exceptions. You doubt me? The bible clearly says they embraced[b],wept and after they had exhausted themselves, one of them cried out "The love you have shown me today exceeds that of women"[/b] !

Pause for a second and process all that.

I'll be back! ! !

gays abi?

^^

I tire ohhh. . .A high percentage pregnancies end up in spontaneous abortion naturally anyway so what's all the fuse all about?. . .If Frosbel's God exist then he is the greatest lover of abortions. . . .

harakiri:
That is the most tiring part of it all. They have nothing concrete to back up their claims but they will talk as if they were live witnesses. At the end of the day, it's always "dem say, dem say". Till today, people still believe in bullet proof charms in spite of all the arm robbers,kidnappers,militants,boko haramists,cultists,policemen and soldiers that get gunned down all the time (and ALL these people use charms). Recently, i read of an OPC member that died from a gun shot wound while the voodoo priest was "testing" the potency of the bullet proof charm.

The MEND members are well known for using charms and yet, the JTF kept cutting them down with bullets. Our people will defend this anomaly by saying "Na becos the juju don fade" or "Gofment juju na im strong pass". They keep coming up with ridiculous excuses/defense for these vague claims (same way they defend religion).

And we wonder why we aren't growing as a nation.

Utterly pathetic! ! !

Why do people take offence when you tell them to prove that juju is real? They just keep telling you to believe and not to doubt. . . .That's the same way some of our ancestors kept people in line by lying to them about some evil forest to keep them in line until the white man came and showed them that the evil forest is a farce. . .I almost got into trouble when I tried to explain to some daft people in Benue state in 2009 that their child is not a witch. . .Just believe and don't doubt or ask questions is the way things go in Africa don't question even the must stupid of assertions, just keep living in fear. . . .Pathetic. . .

philip0906:
what is the soul?
@op
nope

Soul is a religious construct. . . .

frosbel:
Who makes the decision to destroy a womb based on this consideration and where do we draw the line  

This is the main problem I have with atheism and it is indeed scary.

A society where only the fittest survive and the weak are discarded is not only godless but intellectually immoral . amoral and evil.

And yes these are the same practices Stalin and Hitler used to exterminate countless innocent souls.

I keep saying that where there is atheism everything goes. No moral compass , everyone does what he or she thinks it right in their own eyes.

What great folly and madness ,

According to reports, 20% or 1 in 5 pregnancies end in a miscarriage.
There is no definite explanation to why this happens, but they have found many different reasons for it. Sometimes the fetus is recognised as a hostile cell and killed by the mothers immune system, or sometimes there is an incompatibility between the blood types of the mother and unborn child that makes life impossible etc.

But it gets worse than this. According to some studies, there are actually a far higher number of miscarriages. Most of them happen so early that the woman never realises she was impregnated, like after a few days. This makes some people think that as much as 40% or 50% of all potential pregnancies ends up in miscarriage (And this is not even counting stillbirths). . . .

There is no denying this problem, and I think we can narrow the possibilites down to 3 explanations.

Either:
We are intelligently designed, and God intended this many miscarriages (God loves abortion).
OR
We are deteriorating because of original sin, and every year God kills half of all unborn children as punishment (God loves abortion).
OR
God doesn't love abortion because God doesn't exist. The complications tied to pregnancy and miscarriage are can easily be explained by evolutionary means according to scientist. There is no malevolence behind it, it's just how nature works.

"For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb." - Psalm 139 :13

So which God formed these babies. . . .The pics are too gross some might find it an eye sore. . .So I will just drop the link. . .

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f149/birth-defects-eugenics-35317/

Which God formed the babies in the link?

ikechukz:
this happened in Benin. A friend witnessed it and it was also shown on tv. A guy sopped an okada  man and as he was approaching the bike the  okada man used his handkerchief to wipe the seat.
Seeing this the guy refused to enter but the okada man kept forcing him.this made people come to inquire what was happening.
the people made the okada man to sit on the area he wipe and immediately he sat on it he disappeared and have not been seen since then.this happened last year,

The OP says evidence based juju accounts. . .Not baseless hear say stories that are nothing more than stories. . . .Last year a friend of mine told me that a guy lives inside a tree and travels with the tree from place to place, where ever he goes the tree travels with him. . .There are no shortage of all these mythical tales and urban legends. . .The evidence to show that these stories are nothing but stories are never there. . . . .

frosbel:
So what is the distinguishing factor between you and an elephant since they also possess some form of intelligence, physically speaking. Even bacteria are intelligent and respond to a variety of stimuli according to preference.

Are you really telling me that life is all for the here and now and nothing else.

Do you know that I have had spiritual experiences that make a huge laughter and mockery of your theory ? I will rather not share them though !!!

If life is all about been born, grow up , complete school, get a job, marry , have kids and die, then we might as well be a goat or a beetle. Why bother coming as a man with all the tribulations thereof.

Your logic is so flawed that it is unbelievable anyone could possibly hold on to such straw arguments.

Yep life is for the here and now and nothing else. . .No evidence to suggest other wise. . .No evidence so show that there is a part of human conciousness that survives bodily death. . .The purpose of life IMO is to strive to fill each of the days we have to spend here on earth (hours, and minutes) with meaning. We should strive to fill them with learning and gaining wisdom, with compassion for the less fortunate, with love and tolerance for friends, strangers and family, with doing any job we want to do or are supposed to do very well, with fighting against evil and obscurantism, to protect our planet and all the other animals that we share it together with and YES, with enjoying sexxxx, movies, music, dancing, entertainment, good food, arts, sports, parties, tourism, animals, cars, luxury, and other fascinating stuffs that life has to offer. . .These things don't last for ever but we still get pleasure and fulfilment from them. . .

One thing that if find absurd with the theistic argument is that life has to be everlasting for it to be meaningful  . . .Why should life have to be everlasting to be meaningful? It smacks of monumental egotism. Surely there is something monstrously egocentric in thinking that my life is of such transcendent significance that I should be an exception to cosmic laws, that my ego should survive when, animals, planets, stars, and even galaxies are no more.I know the usual bribery that religions have to offer of life after death if you follow their particular version of stories. . .Life doesn't have to be ever lasting for it to be meaningful. . . According to scientist Over 90 percent of all species that have ever lived are now no more, if that is true then we can conclude that nature is wasteful, things come and go, that is how nature is. . . .Death is inevitable. . .I know the need for people to want to live for ever but there is no evidence to show that humans have souls that survive bodily death. . .Again do animals have souls?. . .

frosbel:
So not only do you not know how you came to exist , but you a just an animal with meat and bone , right ? No Soul , just a lump of flesh

When you die that's it , right.

Does this not sound daft to you ? Common tell me !!

How does it sound daft? before you were born you knew nothing after you die you will also know nothing. . . You simply cease to exist. . .So you want to live forever , eh?. . .Does an elephant have a soul? What about a bacteria? What about a plant?. . .In what part of the human being does a soul live?. . . .What role does it play?. . .

@ OP
YES. . .

vedaxcool:
are you now extraordinaryly dumb to understand this :A man that does not even know any verse in the Qur'an save what the slowpoke atheist elders he follows tells him, you indeed deserve condelences, for u to hahve been trained not to think for your self is the greatest victory your atheist programmers have gained over you. I repeat your ancestors nor your foolish atheist elders can ever pen any of the words the THE MAJESTIC place in the Qur'an.

A man that has not ever bother to read what he claims to objectively criticism is very mush deserving of condolence

I laugh when I read this. . .I am a hausa man from Kano state. . .I was born into a Muslim Family and my late Dad told me that Islam is my religion. . .I can read and write in Arabic. . . .I repeat there is NOTHING new that is to be found in the Koran beside the story of Mohammed being the last prophet of Allah. . .The Koran contains no new knowledge, no new moral principle and nothing in it is original, ALL its stories were stolen from the bible and distorted. . .

Another Lie - Some religion - not only Islam - Believe the world was created by a single being

You lied that ALL religions have a central supreme being. . .Some religions don't have a supreme being, but a pantheon of Gods, whom they believed came together to create the world. . .What evidence do you have to show that Allah created the universe and not the pantheon of Greek Gods for example?. . .

evidence where you there when I grew up? Are you atheist this sick that lies and falsehood are the only way you seem capable of proviing your case. Until you can prove to NL you were around the corner when I grew up, then we shall all brand you a LIAR, A SICK one for that matter who only makes cliams that nut cases in yaba ward 11 can make, If you notice all what this atheist have as an eveidence are nothing more than conjecture, sheer conjecture, or how else can somebody make such foolis-h cliams. Well we do not blame u you are another victim of the devils ploy, A MEDIOCRE WHO CAN'T HELP BUT ACT MEDIOCRE.

The ONLY reason you are a muslim is because you were born into a Muslim family. . . .If you were born into a christian family like forsbel you will be hear telling us how Jesus is the only way to God. . .

THIS GUYS IS IN PAINS SORRY, IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT YOU CANNOT MATCH MY INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORITY

Keep singing your self imaginary praises. . .Mr "superior intelligence". . . .Only a FOOOL sings himself praises, wise people will allow others to sing them praises. . . .The empty shells always make the loudest noise they say. . .So keep on keeping on. . .

vedaxcool:
the cries of a mediocre per excellence

Bla bla bla sheep have you any wool?. . . .

Let me redirect all your questions at you mediocre, mediocre Have u ever seen an atom in your entire godless life? sure you witness Obama swearing in on TV, but for the sake of argument ok you where there, did you validate every single vote casted for him? how are you so sure he won the elections,Sure you never seen Osama in real life yet he exist to you, are begining to sense the epic imbecility associated with atheism, you guys have hardly verified 1 zillionth of what you believe, accept and take to be hard facts, yet the dying brain cells in you head never told the hypocrisy in your heart to let simple elementary sense prevail. when you can prove to me you leave by your prove all things way of doing things then i will take your intelliegence better than the frogs croaking in the swamps of bayelsa. you remain a joke in my face, your poor low life method of arguing can never withstand the intensity of my coherent points a measure of the intellecual superiority i barely use in refuting the foolery that atheism is.

I witnessed Obama's swearing in ceremony in person. . . .I am sure he won the elections because the US electoral commission declared him the winner. . .I have seen images of Osama on TV even if it happens to be false then its nothing to me because people falsify their identity all the time, even if Obama did not actually win the US elections it means nothing to me because I know that election rigging is something that is out of this world, people rig elections all the time. . .Do you have any image of Mohammed?. . .How sure are you that he wrote any part of the Koran?. . . .Hope you know that extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence?. . .Your evidence to show that Mohammed was writing down or reciting the words of the creator of the universe is what?. . . .How are you sure that the writers of the Koran are telling you the truth and the writers of the bible or hindu verders are not telling you the truth?. . . .

Ignoramus, we need oncrete facts not hypothesis did you see the copying occur? son Mariam was not refered to as the sister of moses your quee*r slowpoke logics have hardly read the verse, no muslims took that to be letral sister, your low intellectual capacity should have help you think at least to always come with evidence before us, for all we know there is no such verse in the Qur'an since no verse was given just a small hinker trying hard to impress me.

ALL the Prophets of the Koran and their stories were lifted from the bible with their names changed to Arabic a language Mohammed claims is the language of the creator of the universe. . .Their stories were distorted. . .If Mohammed hadnt come in contact with the bible and its stories the Koran would have been very different from what we have now. . .Mohammed stole all his stories from the bible. . .

It is pathetic how a full grown man can not even reason for himself, he cannot even make his points with calling for help from his atheist elders to rescue him as Veda is Xcooling him. As a godless victim of the devils plot I still fail to see how you could not even pick up the Qur'an and read it for yourself, M-E-D-I-O-C-R-E IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR THIS

I will repeat again. . .This man has completely lost it. . . . .The koran does not contain a single original moral value and it contributed only one new idea to world religion  and that is Muhammad is Allah's last prophet. Nothing in it is new and it does not add or contribute any new knowledge. . .If no book has ever encouraged men to think like the koran then you will expect muslims that read it to be using their faculties more than those that don't read it no?. . .The greatest thinkers  in the world are not muslims, the greatest scientist, philosophers and inventors and not even arabs or muslims, so what the heck are u talking about?. . .There is absolutely nothing in the koran that could not be written by men that lived at that time. . .Nothing special about the book. . .

harakiri:
@vedaxcool, Once again, what on earth are you talking about? What "sabbatical" are you talking about? If you spend all your time on nairaland,that's your perogative. I have read your previous comments and it's clear to see how incapable you are of answering basic simple questions. You rather beat about the bush,hurl insults with words you don't understand and claim a superimposed title of "Mr superior intelligence". Kudos to you. If your brain really works, everyone will see it. You don't need to spam thi section with your daily bulletin of crass ignorance and mental reetardation. We all know you are the most "intelligent" master of debates and I personally believe Seun should give you a section dedicated to only you and your delusions. With such priviledge, you can be both a moderator and poster at the same time thus you can open threads and argue blindly with yourself all day long with no interruption from "unwise" folks like myself.

Can you answer this question?

"Where you born into a moslem family or did you convert to islam later in life"?


@nairalanders
You are all witnesses. Please watch his "intelligent" response.

Allow Mr "superior arguments" to keep singing himself imaginary praises. . .The guy keep talking like a 10 years old baby with down syndrome yet he keeps singing him self praises while declaring himself victorious over imaginary battles. . . .Can't get enough of the deluded goon. . . .