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frosbel:
It's funny how these atheist fanatics accuse Christians of preaching to them , but in the same vein try to force their ridiculous and almost silly arguments on these same religious people.

Not only that , they seem to reserve their utmost hatred for true believers. This in itself is indicative of what spirit is behind their rage.

Even a child knows automatically that GOD created the world, and thus MAN.

At a very early age I knew that GOD existed instinctively. Looking at the pattern of the universe, the harmony of creation, the complexity of the human composition , its just plain foolishness to attribute these beauties to chance or some silly scientific nonsense. I just cannot imagine that a sensible person will attribute the creation of man to anything other than GOD.

Madness and folly in it's state of perfection.

OLAADEGBU:
You are a tripartite being, that is, you are a spirit, you have a soul and live in a body.  Your spirit and soul takes the same shape as your body.  It is just like a hand in a glove.  God created man in His own image and made him a living soul.  God breathed on him and he became a living soul, the same way God breathed or inspired Scriptures, God breathed on man and man became a living soul, created in the image of God.  So when we die our bodies go back to the dust and our spirit and soul goes back to our Maker to give an account of what we have done when we were in this earthly vessel.  Our spirits and souls will again be reconnected to our incorruptible resurrected bodies to reign and live eternally with our Lord and God.

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So again, the Bible is so true. I'd have been shocked if you understood, and perhaps shaky in faith if you saw. You need revelation.

OLAADEGBU:
Yes.  You may also use the word Cosmos.  Genesis 1:1 is a powerful sentence that answers the beginning of time, space and matter (mass/energy).  God is a triune God and He loves expressing Himself in 'threes'

In the beginning (time) God (Elohim: Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit) created the heaven (space) and the earth (matter) Genesis 1:1.

If you miss the meaning of this verse you will be setting off on wrong footing in whatever endeavour you embark on either scientifically or theologically.

http://www.icr.org/first-cause/

seyibrown:
God does answer prayers. I know that for a fact. He has answered and done for me EVERY single thing I have asked in prayer over the last one year with the exception of one. This particular matter I have been praying about for exactly 1 year too. About six months ago, I got discouraged and a bit impatient about it and started confessing that God did not want it to happen, and now that negative confession has been manifesting seriously in the last month! Now I have gone back on my knees to claim back and re-confess what God actually told me about it! My peace is back on the matter is back and I know it is settled even though it's all like an earthquake right now!

God answers our prayers of faith!

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"Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully." (Proverbs 28:5)

OLAADEGBU:
"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1

sauer:
The article re-posted here does more than inform about so-called atheistic brutalities. It probably did a better job of establishing Harris's and Dawkins's claims that religion indeed is responsible for the most wars in the past centuries.
YOu see, frosbel, when religious fanatics fight, it is very obvious that they fight in the name of their god, Allah or jehovah. They never mince words when they defend their actions. Go back to the inquisition and you see very clearly that the pope and his cohorts never failed to state that their actions were justified by the god or gods they revere. Same applies to muslim faithfuls who carry out suicide attacks. On the other hand, never did your examples, Stalin and co., make it a fight against religion so that atheism might rule. On the contrary, they maintained a political climate to which religion, capitalism and a number of other ideologies were rather unfavourable. Though Dawkins has mentioned it, you apparently have not gotten it. You should know that Nazism was indeed the product of centuries-long christian sentiment against jews, and that's why it sold so easily. Anti-Semitism, from which Nazism evolved, still permeates Europe and America of today. So it is no surprise when Mel Gibson or some other highly placed individual rants against Jews. Pray, is Mel Gibson a Nazist?

D'Souza, who you have quoted with such relish, has offered a totally unworthy opinion, as is usual of this inebriated fellow. The same D'Souza wrote that Obama is ruling with the ideas of his long dead Luo father. These are words only attributable to someone who has is mind in the clouds.

frosbel:
^^


I am beginning to worry that many atheists here might be h.omos.exuals, sorry to day !!!

OLAADEGBU:
Name one of those scientists listed that didn't believe in the God of the Bible and I will quote what the said about the God of the Bible.

Religion and faith in the God are two different things.  One can practise religion without really having faith in God just like a lot of our folks who profess that there is God but live as if there is no God.  Scientists who believe in the God of the Bible would be able to make precise predictions based on the principles they got from the Bible.  T[b]heir assumptions for their models would be based on historical events recorded in the Bible, the global flood recorded in Genesis for instance[/b].

OLAADEGBU:
It is belief in the uncreated Creator who created those 'gods' you are referring to.

frosbel:
I mean that the earth and universe are not products of chance but GOD. 

So while not everyone agrees with the Muslims God, Christian God, Hindu god etc, we have a starting point which is , GOD is behind the precise patterning of the world in which we live.

frosbel:
^^^

Remember what your long lost friend said few days ago, he said 'Mazaje you are still doing a good Job fighting for the cause of atheists ', he went on further to confirm that you were the last one standing !!!

Which means that most of your brethren have scrammed from these types of debates due to proper and sound defeats.

Very soon we will also see you off 

frosbel:
A Timely warning, especially for deluded Atheists !!!!

OLAADEGBU:
It is said that the RCC persecuted Christians and those who stood for biblical truth as they are still doing today. The topic at hand is famous scientists who believed in God and a case can be made that all those scientists listed by frosbel all believed in God, and I mean the God of the Bible.

debosky:
@ Frosbel

Just a clarification - when you say 'believed in God', what exactly do you mean?

If you mean 'God' as in the Supreme Being - you may also add Muslims to that list no?

If you mean Christians (that is those that believe in Jesus), then can you provide evidence that Einstein was a Christian? I had the impression he was a Jew.

PS: I don't know why Ola is intent on carrying his 'creationist' wahala into each and every thread - that isn't what this thread is about.

frosbel:
^^

Please don't add your name to the list of thread derailers, stick to the post.

You see this is what Muslims do, they have no rebuttal in place, so they start attacking the messenger , lol.   

Abeg go back to sleep !!!

frosbel:
If this is the inference you derived from my article, I have to quickly enroll you on an English Grammar revision course . Don't worry about the money , I will pay for you.

frosbel:
Again , you got hyperactive and replied without a patient read of the article.


The title of article is Believe in GOD or a GOD.

Where did you see Christianity mentioned ?

You shot yourself in the foot here  


To the next question, watch the video and I hope this should suffice for now !!!

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That man and earth was initially created perfect/good. It was Adam who fell and allowed in sin, satan, sickness and friends.

frosbel:
Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.


Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!


Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.

Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era.

Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God is essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."

Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
One of the founders and key early members of the Royal Society, Boyle gave his name to "Boyle's Law" for gases, and also wrote an important work on chemistry. Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "By his will he endowed a series of Boyle lectures, or sermons, which still continue, 'for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels, ' As a devout Protestant, Boyle took a special interest in promoting the Christian religion abroad, giving money to translate and publish the New Testament into Irish and Turkish. In 1690 he developed his theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, which he wrote to show that the study of nature was a central religious duty." Boyle wrote against atheists in his day (the notion that atheism is a modern invention is a myth), and was clearly much more devoutly Christian than the average in his era.

Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.


Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.

William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).


Max Planck (1858-1947)
Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"

Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."



http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html

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@Martian
God did not create humans deficient

Sweetnecta:
doesnt marriage that eliminate fornication also eliminate pedophilia, without eliminating rap.e, spousal abuse, etc?

i say you can't commit fornication with your wife.
i say you can't commit pedophilia with your wife.