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noetic4:
4. is suffering the will of God? , . . . . .another ignorant question. Suffering is part of the package u get outside the world/will/place of God/dominion. Just like evil is the absence of God, as darkness is the absence of Light, so is suffering, evil, indecency and other calamities the absence of God's world and inherent dominion.

Actually this is false bacause the bible god says evil is all part of his plan because he is responsible for evil that happen around. . .

(Amos 3:6) - "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"

(Isaiah 45:7,) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

davidylan:
Actually it seems to me that you are fond of lying because even the bible did not write every detail on how the world was created, meaning there is plenty we dont know about and are still learning.
I have never seen a christian claim to know everything about our existence. We've had enough of dirty, dishonest, despicable and repulsive lies from the likes of you.

The problem is that the writers of the creation account do NOT know how any thing was created. . . the only ascribed the existence of what they saw around them to their warrior and tribal deity. . .

adebayo201:
U cannt xpect God 2 cr8t sum1 in His image nd d same hate such.

Have you read the old testament?

Al propheciez in d bible are true nd dey must cum 2 pass. Eg, Jesus Christ prophecy abt Israel dat a day wil cum dat no stonez wil b left on eachoda. Mother wil luk 4 her children nd children 2 wil luk 4 dier moda. Chek d buk of matt7 nd u read dwn 2 matt11

Actually a lot of prophecies in the bible are false. . .Matthew was written after the destruction of jerusalem so it is very easy to say that jesus prophecied that jerusalem will be destroyed after the event had already happened. . .

Apostle Paul make comment on perilous tyme in 2Timothy nd it'z cumin 2 fulfilment.
Dnt read d bible az an antagonist bt az a nation pathfinda nd reforma.

Actually paul thought the world was going to end during his life time. . and adviced people not to get married because jesus was coming very very soon. . . he even thought he was going to be engulfed in some rapture. . .Perilious times have always been a part of human existence. . .

Chrisbenogor:
LOL MAzaje how body, I tire for my brother david oh, lol
Yes you did , try this for size

I dey ohh. . . . This guys will always lie to themselves and bring meaningless analogies just to rationalize their delusions. . .He brought up the problem of an over populated world forgetting that according to the myth he believes in humans were supposed to live for ever. . . .So he belives his god created malaria as a means to check the human population forgetting that there are better and more humane ways his god can take away humane life that is if the god hypothesis were true. . .why not take the life of men in their sleep. . .why use methods that are painful and destructive?. . . a lot of people have died in their sleep. . .he talked about god creating malaria as a means to check the worlds over population and then contradicted himself by saying that his god provided man with the knowledge of finding a cure. . .which cure exactly. . . if prayer, using olive oil and the blood of animals as recomended by his god cures malaria or any other disease then he should come and show us. . . 

What about Sudden death Syndrome in babies. . .A situation were a lot of babies just die off for no obvious reasons at all. . .is his god also resonsible for that too. . . This people will rather blame themselves and everything around than accept the fact that there god just ins't there. . . .deluded people. . .

davidylan:
that is your opinion . . . you could equally ask why God created man with a limited lifespan, why not let us never die so by now the world would be so choked up we'd be looking for extra space to live on . . . sorry but that's just how stupid your argument sounds. I guess logic flies out of the window when it comes to arguing God.

Any time the christian tries to use logic he ends up shooting him self in the foot. . .will you just accept your myth based on faith and stop trying to use logic to explain your ridiculous myth. . . Have you read where the bible says your god's intension was to make man live forever in the mythical garden of eden. . .What will your god had done to them if they kept on procreating according to the myth since he created them to live forever before the serpent came and decieved them?. . . .will he send them to another planet?

Back to your issue - the same God who created the malaria parasite also created measures by which man could adequately deal with it. The europeans and Americans and even asians have developed measures to completely eradicate mosquitoes from their countries. It is not God's fault that AFricans are completely useless.

Actually this is false. . .your god did not create the malaria parasite. . if you have any evidence to show that your god created it then bring it on. . . .He also did not help man develop any measure to eradicate malaria. . .according to your book of myths disases were cause by evil spirits and prayers alone do the magic. . .Your mythical deity claims magic can cure diseases and he instructed people to use the blood of birds, olive oil and prayers mostly to cure their diseases. . . . Man is has been constantly helping himself through science. . .you god exist only on the pages of the bible and has NO role to play in the real world. . . .The people that have helped man provided cure for most of the diseases afflicting us did not consult the bible and they never will. . .

What else? Shall we blame car companies for creating the car that causes accidents on the road? What of the aircraft that kills all on board when accidents occur? Should we prohibit the rain since it causes flooding in some areas? Why did God even create the sun when he knew some would die of heat stroke?
Lets get rid of wind, too many deadly tornadoes.
We dont need soil, people are buried alive digging wells.
God must have been a bad guy when He created lions, didnt He know they were powerful enough to kill humans?

What else have i left out chris? I'm sure we can find a way to blame God for the pencil too.

bla bla bla. . .the sun your god created exist only in the pages of the bible. . . the sun he created, he created to rule over the day. . .revolve round earth. . . and can be stopped. . . . that is not the sun that we know. . . . . chris was just trying to show your deluded goons that you have no point when you talk about how good your good is by only the good things we see around as his special creation and not ascrbing the bad things we see around to him. . .its always. ." hey see the human eye our god did a wonderful job there|. . its never "hey see cancer our god did a wonderful job there". . .

Abuzola:
@david- We don't fight for God, God is using us to defeat you

Is your god all powerful? why use humans to fight for him? why not destroy the infidels by making them die? or using natural disasters like hurricane, earth quakes to kill them off? why must it be you that are always fighting for him. . . doesn't that fact tell you that he just isn't there?

davidylan:
this is wayward and senseless logic.

1. Why are you fighting against belief in this "God"? Does that not indicate that He must exist if you expend so much energy to tell us He doesnt? Do you spend as much time convincing us that fairies are figments of our imagination?

I don't even know weather to laugh or cry at this stupid statement. . .The problem is that you are also fighting against his own god. . .trying to tell him how his god is false or a demon. . . do you have any evidence to show that his god is a demon?. . .why do you spend too much time trying to convince him that his god is false or a demon since you have no evidence for that beside your unverifiable claims?. . .I am trying to make him see reason. . I know I can't convince him. . .

2. We are not "fighting" for God . . . muslims simply want to conquer the world for allah (a demon). We are fighting for our very survival.

Have you forgotten that half of your bible is filled with stories about men fighting, murdering others, raping them and stealing their lands and property all in the name of your god?. . .What about the injuction by your own god to his chosen people that they should burn an entire city and sacrifice all the inhabitants including people and animals as burnt offering unto him?. . . Where the ancient jews not conquering all the lands of their neighbors for yahweh another god who is no better than the allah you love to hate?. . . .What if you were a cannanite and the ancient jews come and killed you  and your family just because yahweh told them you worship another god and you should be killed what will you call yahweh? a god or a demon?. . .What the moslems are doing is what your imaginary wanna be ancestors did(moses, joshua, etc ) long ago and makes no difference at all. . .If you had read the stories from the canaanites they would have told you that yahweh is a demon and they also fought for their survival. . .

I believe that even the injunctions to kill for allah were plagiarized from the bible because the koran it self was plagiarized from the torah. . . . .blame yahweh for putting those commandments about death and destruction of the infidels there in the hebrew bible and allowing others to plagiarize it. . . .

noetic4:
what do u make of statements A and B?

What I make of them is that they are your own making. . .you can disprove me by showing where it is written in the bible that jesus said that he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel till after his death or where it is written that jesus said he personally sent paul. . .I at least have shown you where he said he was sent only to the lost tribe of Israel. . . .you called me a liar only for me to show you from the bible that you are the liar not me. . .

Abuzola:
@jesoul- You no well o


@david and tudor-  Let muslim be the moderators, do you think if it were christian the supper mod we will remain seated ? Mukina and jarus got our favour even though they act harsh at times. If a christian should be our mod or super mod, deleting and locking our thread wallayi  we will wage jihad on you and your leaders for oppressing us, we will blast the individual with spiritual and physical attack, go and bring your jesus to guard you or better still, ask september 11 victims if jesus guarded them

Why do you guys fight for this god? can't you guys see that the fact you are always fighting for this god says that he is just not there . . .haba. . .

noetic4:
@ Mazaje

what do u make of statements A and B.

A. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep in Israel. . . ,  . . till His death.

B. At His resurrection . . . . . He asked that the Gospel be preached to the whole WORLD and sent peter and Paul to the gentiles.

Only that there is no where in the bible where jesus said that he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel till his death. . .in fact it was written that he said he was going to judge only the 12 tribes of Israel with his 12 disciples in his heavenly kingdom. . .He warned his disciples not to go into the towns of the gentiles when preaching about the kingdom of god that was at hand. . .If you have any biblical passage where it was written that jesus himself told paul to go preach to the gentiles pls bring it on. . .

mantraa:
If i had the answer for the existence of the universe i would tell you, but i do not and have no problem acknowledgeing that. Nobody does. That is the reason why we have scientists gathering more and more facts and knowledge to increase our understanding and wisdom.
So no, I am not arrogant enough to claim that i do.

Are you?

Actually he claims he does. . .his god created the universe. . .but the only problem is that the universe his god created exist only in the pages of the bible. . .in the universe his god created the sun revolves around the earth and the earth was created before all the stars and the sun. . .in fact in the universe his god created grasses were created before the sun was created. . .

Atheists:
The catholic church is oldest christian church with the apostle peter being the first pope of the roman catholic church.

The highlighted statement above is false. . .

noetic4:
@ Mazaje

a. I cant find the word ONLY in that verse. . .why the LIES?

He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.(Matthew 15:24). . .Now who is lying?

b. why did Jesus ask that the gospel be preached to all nations?

Why did he ask for the gospel and the kingdom of god that was already at  hand not to be preached to the gentiles and warned his disciples not to go near their cities when preaching about the kingdom of god that was at hand?. .

c. why was Paul sent to the gentiles?

If you have any words from jesus saying that he personally sent paul to preach to the gentiles pls bring it along. . .

mantraa:
OUCH!! That's not very christian like.  

What do you mean. . .that is what true christianity teaches. . .believe in the myth or burn in hell forever, if not for the unnecessary fear that people have been indoctrinated with since childhood about this myth of hell nobody will practice or believe in any of the religious(christian and islam) myths we have around. . .

davidylan:
you really shld keep quiet yourself, why you run around asking others to provide proof for your own spiritual insecurity is baffling.

. . I laugh in greek. . .any evidence for this mythical spiritual insecurity apart from your ridiculous and dogmatic claims that have no basis in reality?. . .

When will Christians ever agree on anything. . . why why why?Olaadegbu false prophet, KunleOshob false prophet. . .why the in house fighting and discord?. . .And yet all of you guys all claim to be guided by this mythical holy spirit. .

noetic4:
why did Jesus ask His disciples to Go into the WORLD to preach the gospel?

Why did he tell them that he was sent to save ONLY the lost sheep of Israel and warned them NOT to go into the world and preach to the gentiles about the coming kingdom of god that was at hand?. . .

davidylan:
to be honest, i struggle to see what all this has to do with anything on this thread. How did the earth appear? Chance, man or Deity (whichever)?

You say to be "open minded" . . . i really dont see you as "open minded" at all . . . [b]i see you as someone confused but determined NOT to believe in God. [/b]you talked about "many more possibilities" earlier on, it is quite telling that you have FAILED to provide just ONE example of one of such plausible possibilities. Rather you go around bringing accounts of creation from african mythology? What exactly does that explain?

If only you provide some evidence for him to show that your god exist outside the pages of the bible he might believe. . .As long as you haven't you can just shut up and be quite. . .

noetic4:
It should be the other way round. . . . .is there any TRUTH in what u said?

Did jesus say that he came to save ONLY the lost sheep of Israel and warn his disciples not to preach to the gentiles and Samaritans about the coming kingdom of god that was at hand? YES he did according to the bible. . .

Did any of the writers of the gospel say that they know jesus or have ever meet him in any of their narratives. . NO they did not. . .

Were the gospels about Jesus written long after he died by unknown people. . .YES. . .

davidylan:
Mr. Atheist pls come around . . . we really dont want trolls hanging out here.

Come around and do what exactly? listen to more of your ridiculous and deluded lies. . . Lies like "That period was also the worst form of persecution ever suffered by the true christian church.". .  .Are catholics not christians?. . . your speacial pleading is very pathetic. . .When they were using passages like thou shall not suffer a witch to live as a source of inspiration when burning people at the stake. . . where they not abiding to the laws of yahweh?. . .or did they get it from the koran. . deluded fool. . .

Deep Sight:
Absolutely correct, you will find such statements everywhere. That in itself should make you think.

It is not a question of "my god" or "your god" - the truth is that every human tribe has always had a perception of a Universal Deity - a Creator, and they ascribe names to that Deity.

The mere fact that the names are different, and the characteristics differ, should only be expected given the diverse cultures and histories of the peoples.

You know very well that even if you and i saw a living person, we would likely give different descriptions of that person. How much more will the characterizations of the Creative Element differ from tribe to tribe!

Thus it really is a recognition that A CREATOR (name irrelevant) created the Universe. Period.

The problem with you is that you present the universe as the evidence for your elusive god. . . Other religions at least do not do that. . they have gone further to try to tell us how their various god's created the universe. . .

There are so many creation myths out there. . .I at least give other religions credit for making such claims. . your deist on the other hand do not give any creation accounts for people to see and know if its true but just claim that everything that is in existence is as a result of your god. . .everything that exist is an evidence for the existince of that thing not an evidence for your god. . .

davidylan:
At the center of the dark ages stood the catholic church you ignorant loud-mouth. That period was also the worst form of persecution ever suffered by the true christian church.

What is this loud mouth lair saying?. . .Which is the "true" christian church this one is talking about? Are the catholics not christians?. . . The foolish lies this people always tell themselves is really pathetic. . .

davidylan:
the problem is that the term "eternal" is itself a human concept! How you people cannot realise the folly of your own arguments amazes me.

I didn't expect you to understand the point I was trying to make so its no surprise. . . . . .your statement above does not even come close to what I was saying. . .I know you only wanted to just say something and embarrass yourself. . .

Deep Sight:
[i]"The heavens are proclaiming the glory of God, and of the work of his hands, the expanse is telling" - The Bible[/i

You will find such statements in the koran, ancient geek religious books and other religious text of the hindus, buddist etc. . .Humans are very poetic and this kind of expression is not found only in the bible. . .The problem is that all the religions claim that their god is responsible for the existence of the heavens and the earth. . .

JeSoul:
^hehe my thots exactly.
  You have just done the electric slide around the question.

Even if science has not "discovered" this elusive cause, it would still fall under one of David's categories:

Either

1. Chance

or

2. Deity

 we can scratch man since we know he didn't, and lets add

3. Aliens

which is it?

We do not know what the universe really is. . .so why assign limited options for its cause when we do NOT even know what it is?. . .The problem is that we always assume that the universe must behave like a human society. . .Chance, deities and aliens are all human conceptions. . .Its even possible that the universe is eternal like matter and was neither created and can not be destroyed completely. . .something that just keeps changing from one form to another eternally. . .we do not know. . .In fact we do not know if we are the only ones out here. . .

lightwalk:
On the planet? I don't think they instructed Niah to gather every animal on the planet, he only gathered those he could reach and some strange sample of wooden material have been found and carbon dated to around the date the incident was biblically recorded

This again is false. . .read the story again. . .You guys do not even agree to the myth you believe in. . .I was watching a debate TV between Ken Ham( the discredited answers in genesis) who insisted that the Noah's ark was a global event and another christian apologist (Tiller) who is also a geologist that said that the flood was a local flood. . . The tiller guy won the debate but the problem is why do people like tiller always try to use science to rationalize their myths?. . .Why not accept it as the bible says. . . the bible says it was a global flood many christian apologist are now saying that it wasn't a global flood but a local flood. . .Any thing to rationalize their myths. . .

lightwalk:
Ha ha. There is evidence for both the positive and negative?? I don't have the time to post referrals now
Anyway, am not the type that lie for no visible reason so I don't know what all this 'This is false' is all about
Archaological research has proven noah's ark before, those who have been shown to be false have also been show to be true, so who do you think is lying, the people against christianity or christianity

Where is the archeological evidence that has proven the mythical Noah's ark?. . . . .Do you have any archelogical evidence or historical evidence out side the bible that supports the mythical exodus?. . .

duduspace:
Wrong, some of them claim there is more than one, and some of them are even so convoluted that the "Unusual suspects" story pales in comparison.
Besides we now know it is a game of chance with the odds stacked heavily against you as there are new gods being discovered everyday. And I'm not interested in your kalokalo gods.

How are you doing duduspace?

davidylan:
So how would you explain the existence of a universe such as ours? Either of three things is possible:

1. chance

2. Deity

3. Man

which is it?

We do NOT know if the universe is only a universe. . .it could be a multi verse. . . It could be a part of a bigger system we just do NOT know. . .Saying that the universe can only come about as a result of only 3 options is just limiting your options. . .scientist do not even know what this thing is. . .They are just discovering more and more about it as time goes by. . .The universe as it is makes all the gods of man made religions look too insignificant. . .All the gods of man made religions do not talk about other parts of the universe. . .They only talk about the earth and dwell in the earth because to them the earth alone exist. . .

noetic4:
u can always trust mazaje for his daily dose of comic. . ,  ,

Is there anything that I said that is NOT true?. . .

noetic4:
@ atheist

have u ever read a bible? have u ever read the gospel of Jesus?. . . . . .your ignorance is amazing!!!

Jesus came to establish a relationship with you and He also wills to give u His spirit to help u understand His will and purpose for you. . . . whose fault is it that u are ignorant?



I expect mazaje to expose his ignorance by replying.

. . .Jesus came to establish a relationship with him eh . . .Is it the same Jesus that also said that he came to save only the lost sheep of Israel?. . . The same Jesus that warned his disciples not to preach to the gentiles and Samaritans?. . .The same Jesus who every thing we know about him were written by people who NEVER claimed they have ever meet him, or known him. . .but unknown people who wrote stories about him very long after he died. . .Keep believing in the fairy tales. . . .