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Deep Sight:
Mazaje/ Jagunlabi -

Is it your expectation that all the peoples of the world would have the same word for the Creator, regardless of their different languages

What has different names got to do with different myths?

Allah did. . .

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=337210.msg4738497#msg4738497 date=1255612419]^^ you made some valid points there even though you're mocking.


It does seem like those were possibly the first rains on earth, going strictly by the bible acount. I could be wrong but thats what it looks like.

Not an argument plz. I'm simply stating what I just read in genesis.[/quote]Tpia baby

jagunlabi:
If allah cannot speak to me in yoruba on the judgement day,i will walk out of his court and go look for orunmilla's court.Nonsense!

Dey there me na slap i go slap am if him try speak that nonsense arabic jagoon for me. I go slap am beat am scatter. . . .

OLAADEGBU:
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

I laugh in greek. . . . this link na child's play abi na cartoon?

duduspace:
Verily verily I say unto you, on that day you shall sit with me in front of the aircon and getting a massage from hot babes while MJ and other notable artistes play a special concert for us.
I'm sure we will have some folks seeking assylum from heaven's boredom. 

Hey brother how body? hope you are good. . . .

[quote author=Playboy* link=topic=337566.msg4737978#msg4737978 date=1255607911]@ mazaje,
It baffles me on how these Jesus guys can deny obvious truth just to keep their delusion alive, the trick is more with davidylan and his comrade Noetic,[/quote]Na today?. . . forget neotic I enjoy his ridiculous spin all the time

Jesus said in the bible that This generation will not pass before he will come back again,  but they once interpreted it on this forum as any generation that heard Jesus' gospel, they forgot that many generations past heard the gospel and yet the Jewish guy did not come in their generations,  making what he said a big lie.

Na today?. . . . the problem is that jesus told his followers in more than 3 different places that he will return in their life times in the bible no matter how much the lying christians want to twist what is written.

Mat 10:22"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
Mat 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Here we have jesus telling his disciples and followers what will happen to them he says on his account they will be brought before governors and kings and will be persecuted, he told them not to worry because the holy spirit will give them what to say. He talked about the events that will happen and told his followers that they should be steadfast and those them that hang on will recieve their rewards, he told them that before they finish going through the cities of Israel he will come back. . . .

According to Matthew 26:64 - When brought before Caiaphas, the Chief Priest, Jesus said to him, "I tell you, hereafter you shall see the Son of Man . . . coming on the clouds of heaven." According to this the second coming was to happen during Caiaphas' lifetime. Jesus told Caiaphas that he was going to see him coming in the clouds of heaven to establish his kingdom. . .

Matthew 24:33-34 - After prophesying a wide assortment of events including the second coming, Jesus said to his disciples, " . . . when you shall see all these things, know that it (the 2nd coming) is near, even at the door. This generation shall not pass till these things be fulfilled." He was obviously referring to the contemporary generation.

They can lie all the want but it is very clear from the bible that jesus promised his disciples and others around him that they will see him return from the clouds to establish his kingdom during their life time. . .

OLAADEGBU:
Bent rock layers, fossil graveyards and polystrata fossils are best explained by a Flood. -- Kent Hovind.

How so? Kent hovind is not a geologist, what explanations has he given for all these claims?

noetic15:
it is amazing that mazaje will spun more lies and even attempt to use the "mythical" bible and torah to prove his lies ,   . . , can u in one sentence just state why Isaiah 7:14 was not refering to JEsus?

Isaiah 7:14 is telling Ahaz that before the child in verse 7 reaches puberty (Isa. 7:15), the Northern Kingdom of Israel, that is about to invade in this chapter, will be defeated (Isa. 7:16, one of the two kingdoms about to invade). Why would Ahaz, who lived sometime before the Babylonian exile wait some 500 - 600 years for Jesus to reach puberty? I'm pretty sure Ahaz was dead in 15 CE. How would the birth of Jesus 500 years later give any consolation to Ahaz who needed to make an immediate desicion before the Northern Kingdom invaded?

The hebrew bible does not say "Behold, the virgin shall conceive"(some christian bible versions like RSV andd others have corrected that error), It says "Behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son,". . . .But the whole prophecy refers to Hezekiah, and it is proved that it was fulfilled in him, according to the terms of this prophecy.

OLAADEGBU:
Over three thousand times, the Bible speaks of its inspiration by God. His Word is true, and you can believe every word of it.

Actually the words of th bible are false. . .

Ecc 1:5 The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.

The sun does not hurry back to where it rises because the sun does not revolve around the earth. . . . so that is a lie. . .

The bible also talks about evil spirits causing diseases and lies about history(exodus).

noetic15:
Mazaje u are very wrong.

I have never defended or attempted to defend the perceived violence in the OT. All I ever did was to offer my opinion on the subject. how does that affect my objectivity.

why are xtians not practising this violent acts today? why are muslims the only one practising violence?

Pls stop lying for jesus. You have attempted to defend or rationalize so much of the violence in the OT. . .that is what you have been doing most of the time, you even go to extreme lengths and provided explanations that are not even written in the bible. Example, yahweh instructs his men to stone to death their disobeient children and your own out of the world explanation for it was to equate disobedience to parents with treason even though the bible says no such thing. You have said so many times that the god of the OT is not evil even when the OT god himself says that he is evil and agrees that he uses evil to acheive some of his goals something that you outrightly deny despite the fact that the bible says that the OT god did evil and apologised for the evil he did.

You accuse moslems of following an evil god that tells them to kill unbelievers but when we show you that your own god once commanded people to kill all the unbelievers they can lay their hand on, you bring up excuses like god has the right to kill unbelivers, if your god has the right to tell people to kill unbeliever in the past what makes allah not to have the right to tell his people not to kill unbelievers?

[quote author=Playboy* link=topic=337566.msg4737473#msg4737473 date=1255603716]@ Nezan,

Why do religion make people's judgement down right unhealthy ? you just posted where Jesus said the mostard seed is the least of all seeds, and you defended him by saying he was talking about the sead known to men in that time, if all men considered the mostard seed the least of all seeds in that time, shouldn't Jesus the all knowing general correct them , why should he share there ignorance or maintain it with them ? accept that he was ignorant of it or you will be making the same mistake he made 2000 years ago.[/quote]You want a religious person to accept that his god is wrong?

Pastor AIO:
lol! Please whoever is interested in this thread should please check out the link olaadegbu has given above. Apparently when we die our bodies will be transformed into worms that will never die and that is what gets burnt for eternity. Apparently some of these worms have been found at the bottom of the Sea bed.

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wirinet:
The same old Noetic we know, spewing ignorance, insults, one liners and anything his fingers can type, just to defend his untenable dogmatic position.

I could not believe what my eyes were seeing after reading this thread from the beggining to the end. . . . . . .people like neotic only advance the case of the atheist with their lies and shameless deciet, . . . Noetic can you name one geologist that shares your delusion that polystrate fossils came about as a result of a global flood? Toneyb has asked you this question so many times it should not be a difficult thing for you to do no?

A christian geologist have provided more than enough scientific evidence to show that noah's flood myth only happened on the pages of the bible.

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/micro.htm

The article contains a lot of data, all which conclusively prove that a global flood did not occur.

According to the myth called Islam allah understands only arabic and that is the only language he will use in judging people in the mythical after life. . . .

Abuzola:
Christians are daft

And moslems and mohammed are fools. . . . wawa kawai. . . . . .

lightwalk:
^^^You don carry your problem. dere's nothing supernatural about that video? are you aight?

What is supernatural there? unless if you mean to tell me that clever and well ochestrated deception is a supernatural act or behaviour. . . . .

I have always said that there is nothing supernatural about all these people. . . . deception is the only thing they use coupled with the excessive fear that exist in people minds. . . . . .religion is truly a farce. . . . .

Gidado1565:
My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.
The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.
http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/provingGodExists.htm

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=336674.msg4727078#msg4727078 date=1255457593]read with your eyes open[/quote]OK baby I will read with my eyes open. . . . . . . .

I'm not interested in proving or disproving any Egyptian or babylonian flood story.

kapish?

What is this? can you even prove the mythical flood you subscribe to

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=336674.msg4726943#msg4726943 date=1255456138]so you're hurt at being called confused?

Was that the only part of my post you noticed? [/quote]No, not at all. . . .I asked you if you have have any flood stories from the Egyptians that say only Noah and his family survived a global flood that destroyed the whole earth? If you do pls bring it on . . . . . if you don't then why did you bring it up in the first place?

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=336674.msg4726877#msg4726877 date=1255455490]I'm not interested in convincing you of anything oh!

Feel free to hold on to your opinion.

If you find research for or against, then kudos.[/quote]Why the back pedelling? I thought you began by addressing us as confused people. . . .who now is confused amongst us. . . . you that believe in a story that has absolutely NO evidence at all to support it both historically and scientifically or we that call it the myth that it truly is?he. . . . Again if you have any evidence that shows that the Noah's flood happened outside the pages of the bible pls bring it on. . .

Heaven and hell bla bla bla. . . any evidence to show that these mythical places exist out side the pages of the bible and the koran?

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=336674.msg4726677#msg4726677 date=1255453553]now somebody is asking why Babylonian and Egyptian mythologies dont mention a flood.

If they hear of flood stories from the same babylon and Egypt, they'll say thats where the Genesis account came from.


Confused set of confusionists, imo.

Always arguing in circles.[/quote]Do you have any flood stories from the Egyptians that say only Noah and his family survived a global flood that destroyed the whole earth? Do you have any scientific evidence for a global flood that once destroyed the whole earth? As for the Noah's flood the mythtical event only happened in the pages of the bible. If you have any evidence to show that it happened outside the pages of the bible then pls bring it on.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=335244.msg4709575#msg4709575 date=1255223151]is there anyone with even 50% literacy to handle this question?

dont know if its in the koran so I have no idea if olabowale is supposed to be on this thread or not.[/quote]Do you no longer believe in they ridiculous myth?

xidos

Do you have any evidence to believe that your god wrote any part of the bible?. . . .

Abuzola:
Christianity is bullshit

Islam is useless shit. . . .

The tower of bable myth is bronze age man's explanation of how different languages came about. . . . . .This story is one of the most useless stories in the bible. . .the story was also copied by the copy cat mohammed. . .

KunleOshob:
The above post as just proven that you certainly have no clue what it means to be objective.

Forget my man neotic. . he doesn't even know what he is saying

noetic15:
2. I have heard people say that theists cannot be objective, just like u have also asserted. I disagree simply because, I have NEVER been asked any question about xtinaity which I waived away on the premise of dogma. . .I have always given logical, objective and intellectual potent answers which always support my notion that xtianity is logical in all ramifications.

False. . .you have NEVER been objective. . .Example when you read the bible where the bible god commands people to rape, kill, steal and destroy others and even sacrifice them up as a burnt offering unto him you over look it and when asked you bring up meaningless excuses that yahweh has every right to tell his chosen men to kill the unbelievers. . .when moslems go around killing christians based on what their own holy book tells them you complain that allah is bad because he tells people to kill unbelievers forgetting that your own god also told people to rape, kill, sacrifice unbelivers to him as burnt offering and destroy the unbelievers completely. . . .You go around saying that allah is a bad god but when you read the passages of your own bible where your own god tells people to do exactly what allah tells his people to do you explain your away with unreasonable answers when moslems give you the same answer which you give as an explanation for your you dismiss theirs. . . .

Abuzola: Yahweh is a bad god because he ordered the killing and destruction of people including innocent children.
Neotic: No yahweh is not a bad god he is a loving good more loving than your muderous and evil allah.
Abuzola: No alah is the most merciful, he is good and just, Yahweh is evil read the bible half of it is full of death and destruction of the unbelivers.
Neotic: Yahweh has the right to command people to kill unbelivers so what is your problem the people killed, raped and destroyed were unbelivers so they derserbve it. Allah on the other hand tells moslems to kill unbelievers so allah is a bad god. . .
Abuzola: How can you say allah is a bad god when he tells people to kill the unbelivers? unbelief is a sin and all the unbelivers deserve to die so allah is not a bad god your own god also told people to kill and destroy unbelievers. . . so allah is merciful and just. . .
Neotic: yahweh has the right to tell people to kill unbelievers so there is no problem there. . .he is the creator of heaven and earth. . .allah is an evil god because he tells people to kill unbelievers. . .
Abuzola: You are not a serious person. . .

olabowale:
and mazaje saw all the verses, he coudnt dispute any, so he had to give a blind man summation of all y a different verse that explains something differently! i now laugh in finnish nordic language.

Its obvious that you do not know what you are talking about. . . . .

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=333974.msg4689879#msg4689879 date=1254979355]^^^
Em, how'd you know god created the heavens and the earth. . .were you present?[/quote]He read it in his book of myths called the koran. . . . as I aforementioned. . . . . .all the gods of man made religions exist ONLY in books and in stories. . .all the gods of man made relıgıons only exists in historical books or when another man is speaking about them. . . . else they have no lıfe of their own. . . .