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Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 8:03pm On Oct 07, 2009

Abuzola:
[b] Quran 5

110. (Remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, Al-Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.' "

111. And when I (Allah) put in the hearts of Al-Hawarieen (the disciples) [of 'Iesa (Jesus)] to believe in Me and My Messenger, they said: "We believe. And bear witness that we are Muslims."

112. (Remember) when Al-Hawariun (the disciples) said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Can your Lord send down to us a table spread (with food) from heaven?" 'Iesa (Jesus) said: "Fear Allah, if you are indeed believers."

113. They said: "We wish to eat thereof and to be stronger in Faith, and to know that you have indeed told us the truth and that we ourselves be its witnesses."

114. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Allah, our Lord! Send us from heaven a table spread (with food) that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a festival and a sign from You; and provide us sustenance, for You are the Best of sustainers."

115. Allah said: "I am going to send it down unto you, but if any of you after that disbelieves, then I will punish him with a torment such as I have not inflicted on anyone among (all) the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns)."

116. And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.

117. "Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world).

118. "If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily You, only You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise ."

119. Allah will say: "This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise) - they shall abide therein forever. Allah is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (Paradise).

120. To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein, and He is Able to do all things. [/b]

What is this huh

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 8:01pm On Oct 07, 2009

noetic15:
1. since u believe that the bible is a myth. . .must u also endorse the uninformed analysis of some quack rabbis to support your false assertions?

You have come again. . . . . . Actually the rabbi's know more about their torah than you no?. . . .your rejoinder makes me laugh in hebrew. . . .

2. your first post is a big LIE . . . . .have u read Isaiah 7:14. . . .if u have then u would know that apart from the word "virgin", there are other words in that verse that establish that the said verse is talking about Jesus, . . . .the words include

a. Lord . . . . implying that God shall give a son

NO such thing exist in that verse. . . .

b. Son . . . the child is a male

The seventh chapter of the Book of Isaiah begins by describing the military crisis that was confronting King Ahaz of the Kingdom of Judah. In about the year 732 B.C.E. the House of David was facing imminent destruction at the hands of two warring kingdoms: the northern Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Syria. These two armies had laid siege to Jerusalem. The Bible relates that the House of David and King Ahaz were gripped with fear. Chapter seven relates how God sent the prophet Isaiah to reassure King Ahaz that divine protection was at hand. The Almighty would protect him, their deliverance was assured, and these two hostile armies would fail in their attempt to subjugate Jerusalem. In Isaiah 7 we read,

, : "Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us." So said the Lord God, "Neither shall it succeed, nor shall it come to pass . . . ." ' " The Lord continued to speak to Ahaz, saying, "Ask for yourself a sign from the Lord, your God; ask it either in the depths, or in the heights above." Ahaz said, "I will not ask, and I will not test the Lord." Then he said, "Listen now, O House of David, is it little for you to weary men, that you weary my God as well? Therefore the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign: Behold the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel. Cream and honey he shall eat when he knows to reject bad and choose good; for, when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned."

It is clear from this chapter that Isaiah's declaration was a prophecy of the unsuccessful siege of Jerusalem by the two armies of the Kingdoms of Israel and Syria, not a virgin birth more than 700 years later. If we interpret this chapter as referring to Jesus' birth, what possible comfort and assurance would Ahaz, who was surrounded by to overwhelming military enemies, have found in the birth of a child seven centuries later? Both he and his people would have been long dead and buried. Such a sign would make no sense.

conceive . . . . , which indicates His divine conception

False. . . . .We see, in II Kings 15-16, that this prophecy was fulfilled when these two kings were suddenly assassinated. With an understanding of the context of Isaiah 7:14 alone, it is evident that the child born in Isaiah 7:14 is not referring to Jesus or to any future virgin birth. Rather, it is referring to the divine protection that Ahaz and his people would enjoy from their impending destruction at the hands of these two enemies, the northern Kingdom of Israel and Syria.

Immanuel . . . . . . Jesus is called and known as Immanuel.

This ıs false jesus was called the son of man or son of god not immanuel. . . . can you show me any passage in the NT where jesus was addressed as immanuel?

how many times do u want me to illustrate your LIES?

You only ended up embarassing yourself by spewing more lies. . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 7:10pm On Oct 07, 2009

noetic15:
lie for Jesus? why would I? . . . . . . . . u dont need rocket science to know that Jesus fulfilled several prophecies in the bible?

It does not even matter to me if jesus fulfılled any prophecies in the OT cos as far as I know the OT is also another book of myths just like the NT. . . .Jews not me have explained why Jesus did not fullfill most of what your fellow christians have said he fulfilled. . . jewish scholars and rabbıs said ıt not me unless ifd you are telling me that christians know the hebrew bible better than the jews themselves. . . . .

eveything u googled up is a LIE. . . , . it is based on your preconceived notion that the prophecies are not true, as such u are LYING

OK pls just point out just one of the lies and show me. . .blanket accusations will not do. . . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 6:54pm On Oct 07, 2009

noetic15:
1. I actually did not read the OP . . . . .I was only sure it would educate your ignorance

Are you lying for jesus again neotic? how do you know that the OP will educate my ignorance without reading it huh

2. I knew u dont write very long stories. . . .that was why I was surprised. So can u tell me in your own words, what your refutation is? why google up lies?

Can you show me the lies I googled up. . . .pls show me what the lies are. . . . .it shouldn't be a difficult thing for you to do. . . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 6:50pm On Oct 07, 2009

kolaxy:
Born in Bethlehem
Be from Nazareth(No such word as nazareth in the whole of the old testement)
Come out of Egypt (as a young child)
Descended from Judah
Descended from Jesse
Descended from David
No bones broken
Betrayed by a friend
Betrayed for exactly 30 pieces of silver(No such thing in the OT. . . . . the story in the OT had nothing to do with jesus)
30 pieces of silver returned (No such thing in the OT. . . . the story in the OT had nothing to do with jesus)
30 pieces used to buy the potter's field (The story in the OT had nothing to do with jesus)
Born of a virgin (mıstranslation from the OT)
Perform miracles
R E S U R R E C T I O N ! ! !(No such thing in the entire OT)

JESUS IS LORD

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 6:39pm On Oct 07, 2009

noetic15:
mazaje. . .did u write all that long story for me? when did u become olabowale?

whats the summary of that very very long story?

Actually what I copied and pasted is not up to half of the OP. . . .If you read the OP I see no reason why you can not go through my post. . . . .Its a clear jewish refutation of all the allege prophecies that were fullfilled by jesus in the gospels. . . . the unknown gospel writers mostly misıntepreted the jewish scriptures and created convinient prophecies and said that jesus fullfilled them. . . . . some of the alleged prophecies were delibrate mistranslation or outright false hoods. . .read what the rabbis have to say. . . . . . don't be lazy. . . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 6:29pm On Oct 07, 2009

A prophet's prophecies must come true exactly as stated or he/she is a false prophet.
Jesus prophesied that he would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. Matthew 12:38-40
Jesus died on Friday afternoon before sundown (Luke 23:54-55) and was resurrected on Sunday. Therefore he was only dead 2 nights, not 3. (Remember, EXACTLY as prophesied) (Matthew 28:1 and John 20:1)

Jesus stated that he would return during his current generation (Mark 13:7.8,14,19,24,25 and 30) He described events that would take place during the current generation including, “wars, earthquakes, famines, the abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel, affliction not seen since the beginning of creation and the son of man shall come in the clouds with power and glory”. These events clearly did not occur.

Mark really blundered here as he quoted Zechariah 13:2-7 but left off the rest of Zechariah where god explains that he will strike the shepherd who should not live because he will be a false prophet who will speak lies in the name of the lord. It is ironic that Mark's Jesus identified himself as Zechariah's false lying prophet who should not live

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 6:21pm On Oct 07, 2009

Before we examine Isaiah 53 verse by verse some preliminary issues must be considered . Isaiah 53 is only understood properly when read in the context of the Jewish Bible as a whole .

Earlier on in the book of Isaiah, God had predicted exile and calamity for the Jewish people. Chapter 53, however, occurs in the midst of Isaiah's "Messages of Consolation", which tell of the supposed restoration of Israel to a position of prominence and a vindication of their status as God's "chosen people".

In chapter 52, for example, Israel is described as "oppressed without cause" (v.4) and "taken away" (v.5), yet God promises a brighter future ahead, one in which Israel will again prosper and be redeemed in the sight of all the nations (v.1-3, 8-12).

Chapter 54 further elaborates upon the redemption which awaits the nation of Israel. Speaking clearly of the Jewish people and their status (even according to all Christian commentaries), chapter 54 ends as follows:

"`This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication is from Me,'declares the Lord."

In the original Hebrew texts, there are no chapter divisions, and Jewish and Christian scholars agree that chapter 53 is actually a continuation of the prophecy which begins at 52:13. Accordingly, our analysis must begin at that verse.

52:13 "Behold, My servant will prosper."

Israel in the singular is called God's servant throughout Isaiah, both explicitly (Isa. 41:8-9; 44:1-2; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3) and implicitly (Isa. 42:19-20; 43:10) - Other references to Israel as God's servant include Jer. 30:10 (note that in Jer. 30:17, the servant Israel is regarded by the nations as an outcast, forsaken by God , as in Isa. 53:4); Jer. 46:27-28; Ps. 136:22; Lk. 1:54.

52:15 - 53:1 "So shall he (the servant) startle many nations, the kings will stand speechless; For that which had not been told them they shall see and that which they had not heard shall they ponder. Who would believe what we have heard?"

Quite clearly, the nations and their kings will be amazed at what happens to the "servant of the L-rd," and they will say "who would believe what we have heard?".

52:15 tells us explicitly that it is the nations of the world, the gentiles, who are doing the talking in Isaiah 53.

53:1 "And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?"

In Isaiah, and throughout the Jewish Bible , God's "arm" refers to the physical redemption of Israel from the oppression of other nations (see, e.g., Isa. 52:8-12; Isa. 63:12; Deut. 4:34; Deut. 7:19; Ps. 44:3).

53:3 "Despised and rejected of men."

While this is clearly applicable to Israel (see Isa. 60:15; Ps. 44:13-14), it cannot be reconciled with the Christian Bible account of Jesus, a man who was supposedly "praised by all" (Lk. 4:14-15) and followed by multitudes (Matt. 4:25), who would later acclaim him as a prophet upon his triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matt. 21:9-11).

Even as he was supposedly taken to be crucified, a multitude bemoaned his fate (Lk. 23:27). Jesus had to be taken by stealth, as the rulers feared "a riot of the people" (Mk. 14:1-2).
53:3 "A man of pains and acquainted with disease."

Israel's adversities are frequently likened to sickness - see, e.g., Isa. 1:5-6; Jer. 10:19; Jer 30:12.

53:4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore."

In Matt. 8:17, this is incorrectly translated, and said to be literally (not spiritually) fulfilled in Jesus' healing of the sick, a reading inconsistent with the Christian mistranslation of 53:4 itself.

53:4 "Yet we ourselves esteemed him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted."

See Jer. 30:17 - of God's servant Israel (30:10), it is said by the nations, "It is Zion; no one cares for her."

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53:5 "But he was wounded FROM (NOTE: not FOR ) our transgressions, he was crushed FROM (AGAIN: not FOR) our iniquities."

Notice above how the Christians mistranslate and write "FOR our transgressions " rather than " FROM our transgressions " .

Whereas the nations had thought the Servant (Israel) was undergoing Divine retribution for its sins (53:4), they now realize that the Servant's sufferings stemmed from their actions and sinfulness. This theme is further developed throughout the Jewish Bible - see, e.g., Jer. 50:7; Jer. 10:25. ALSO: Note that the Davidic Messiah according to the Jews "shall not fail nor be crushed till he has set the right in the earth" (Isa. 42:4).

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53:7 "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, and like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, so he did not open his mouth."

Note that in the prior chapter (Isa. 52), Israel is said to have been oppressed and taken away without cause (52:4-5). A similar theme is developed in Psalm 44, wherein King David speaks of Israel's faithfulness even in the face of gentile oppression (44:17- 18) and describes Israel as "sheep to be slaughtered" in the midst of the unfaithful gentile nations (44:22,11).

Regarding the claim that Jesus "did not open his mouth" when faced with oppression and affliction, see Matt. 27:46, Jn. 18:23, 36-37.

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53:8 "From dominion and judgement he was taken away."

Note the correct translation of the Hebrew. The Christians are forced to mistranslate, since - by Jesus'own testimony - he never had any rights to rulership or judgement, at least not on the "first coming." See, e.g., Jn. 3:17; Jn. 8:15; Jn. 12:47; Jn. 18:36.

53:8 "He was cut off out of the land of the living" and 53:9 "His grave was assigned with wicked men."

See Ez. 37:11-14, wherein Israel is described as "cut off" and God promises to open its "graves" and bring Israel back into its own land. Other examples of figurative deaths include Ex. 10:17; 2 Sam. 9:8; 2 Sam. 16:9.

The Jewish Bible repeatedly says that if a descendant of David is righteous, he will not be "cut off " (karet). For example, see 1Kings 2:4, 8:25, 9:4-5; Jeremiah 33:17; 2Chronicles 6:16, 7:18. But if a descendant of David or priests are unrighteous, they will be cut off (karet). For example, see Jeremiah 33:18; Joel 1:9.

Therefore, if this verse is speaking of Jesus being "cur off", then that must mean he was unrighteous and was cut off from his (supposed) royal heritage.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/isaih.html

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 6:06pm On Oct 07, 2009

noetic15:
i laugh in tongues . . . . .how many times have the above been refuted?

Actually I do not think you and I have ever had this conversation before. . . . . lets just have a look at one of the supposed prophecies the OP presented. . . . .Which is Isaiah 7:14 that is a mistranslation and some english version of the bible like the RSV acknowledge that fact. . . . .

Now on to another mistranslated messianic passage from the OT.
Isaiah 7:14 does not support Matthew's claim that Isaiah is referring to Jesus' virgin birth, they often argue that Isaiah 7:14 is a dual prophecy. In order to fully understand what Christians mean by a dual prophecy, let me first explain why the context of Isaiah 7:14 does not support Matthew's use of this verse as a proof-text of his virgin-birth story.

It should be said at the outset that the word "virgin" does not appear in the seventh chapter of Isaiah. The author of the first Gospel deliberately mistranslated the Hebrew word ha'almah as "a virgin." This Hebrew word ha'almah does not mean "a virgin." It means "the young woman," with no implication of virginity. Most modern Christian Bibles have corrected this erroneous translation, and their Bibles now correctly translate this Hebrew word as "the young woman." If Isaiah had wanted to spefically say virgin, he would have used betulah, a common word used in other areas of the OT that only means virgin.
Isaiah 7:14.

The seventh chapter of the Book of Isaiah begins by describing the military crisis that was confronting King Ahaz of the Kingdom of Judah. In about the year 732 B.C.E. the House of David was facing imminent destruction at the hands of two warring kingdoms: the northern Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Syria. These two armies had laid siege to Jerusalem. The Bible relates that the House of David and King Ahaz were gripped with fear. Chapter seven relates how God sent the prophet Isaiah to reassure King Ahaz that divine protection was at hand. The Almighty would protect him, their deliverance was assured, and these two hostile armies would fail in their attempt to subjugate Jerusalem. In Isaiah 7 we read,

, : "Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us." So said the Lord God, "Neither shall it succeed, nor shall it come to pass . . . ." ' " The Lord continued to speak to Ahaz, saying, "Ask for yourself a sign from the Lord, your God; ask it either in the depths, or in the heights above." Ahaz said, "I will not ask, and I will not test the Lord." Then he said, "Listen now, O House of David, is it little for you to weary men, that you weary my God as well? Therefore the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign: Behold the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel. Cream and honey he shall eat when he knows to reject bad and choose good; for, when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned."

It is clear from this chapter that Isaiah's declaration was a prophecy of the unsuccessful siege of Jerusalem by the two armies of the Kingdoms of Israel and Syria, not a virgin birth more than 700 years later. If we interpret this chapter as referring to Jesus' birth, what possible comfort and assurance would Ahaz, who was surrounded by to overwhelming military enemies, have found in the birth of a child seven centuries later? Both he and his people would have been long dead and buried. Such a sign would make no sense.

We see, in II Kings 15-16, that this prophecy was fulfilled when these two kings were suddenly assassinated. With an understanding of the context of Isaiah 7:14 alone, it is evident that the child born in Isaiah 7:14 is not referring to Jesus or to any future virgin birth. Rather, it is referring to the divine protection that Ahaz and his people would enjoy from their impending destruction at the hands of these two enemies, the northern Kingdom of Israel and Syria.

Some Christians argue that this is a double prophecy. That it was fulfillied twice, once as I stated but again 700 years later with Jesus. If Christians argue that the word ha'almah means a "virgin," and, as they insist, Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled twice, who was the first virgin to conceive in Ahaz's time? Were there two virgin births? That is to say, if these Christians claim that the virgin birth of Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled twice, who then was the first virgin having a baby boy in 732 B.C.E.? Bear in mind that Christians insist that the word ha'almah can only mean virgin. Are they claiming that Mary was not the first and only virgin to conceive and give birth to a child?

Finally, if Isaiah's words are the substance of a dual prophecy, at what age did the baby Jesus mature? Which were the two kingdoms during Jesus' lifetime that were abandoned? Who dreaded the Kingdom of Israel during the first century when there had not been a Kingdom of Israel in existence since the seventh century B.C.E.? When did Jesus eat cream and honey? Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel? Does any of this make any sense? It doesn't because this argument of a dual prophecy was born out of the desperation of Christians and essentially makes a mockery out of the book of Isaiah.

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/virgin.html

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Walked On Water: by mazaje(m): 5:27pm On Oct 07, 2009

enitan2002:
No man on eart can do one-hundredth of what christ had done. Its simply IMPOSSIBLE. cos the region where christ came from is far higher than where humans originated. So do not make that comparison at all my brother.
Those that hang on to those words are living IN A FOOL'S PARADISE.

Why should people not hang unto the words of jesus? Jesus himself said that people who believe in him will do greater things than he did according to the bible. . . . .or are you admitting that jesus lied?. . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Walked On Water: by mazaje(m): 4:47pm On Oct 07, 2009

enitan2002:
YES with GOD all things are possible. But it is within his laws he operate. he never operates outside his law. That is why he is called the PERFECT ONE.
If without those laws, there'll be a lot of chaos on earth and things wont be in an orderly manner. just like the sun can never rise from the noth and set at the south, so IT IS MAN WHICH IS OF HIGHER DENSITY CAN NEVER WALK ON WATER. He cant even change those laws if he himself is concerned.

This is false because the bible says other wise. . . the bible says that those that believe in jesus can walk on water if only they have faith in his teachings. . . .

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. John 14:12-14

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Created The Creator by mazaje(m): 4:43pm On Oct 07, 2009

Actually men created all the gods since all the gods of man made religions exist ONLY in books and in stories. . .all the gods of man made relıgıons only exists in historical books or when another man is speaking about them. . . they can't exist on their own. You think some ultimate powerful being, will need a man and books to exist?

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye Live In Katy Texas by mazaje(m): 2:06pm On Oct 07, 2009

sodconfirm:
Let's be sincere to ourselves and leave sentiments aside. Who were the set of people who wrote the bible? Arabians, They were muslims and they have the true story in holy Qua-ran of worshiping God. Who were Adam and Eve?, Arabians, White men who introduced you guys to Christianity believe that you blacks originated from baboons and they originated from the Arabians, and yet you follow their laid down legacy when you have yours that works well before they came. Stop being fooled? people around the world are getting to know this new development and that is the main reason why there is no peace in this world. For instance take the Taliban and Muja-a-deen movement, Those are real worshipers of God as far as i am concerned, They live the caves and tattered houses, They do suicide bombings all in the name of their strong faith in God, They don't want U.S and the international community to impose Christianity on them as they have done on many people and they are fighting with their last breath to keep their religion. The Christians label them terrorist to fool you all. Those are true worshipers as far as i am concerned. They Die for their believe in God, Who amongst u christian can do suicide bombings?. People are suffering in Nigeria and someone who loves his brother as himself is using a private jet worth 4 billion?, A sum that can feed the whole Orphans in Nigeria for decades, Is this what our bible teaches us? Can a average person afford to school in Redeemed Uni.? What the hell is now the goal of Christianity??someone please tell me,

Who is this deluded person? huh

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 1:01pm On Oct 07, 2009

noetic15:
i laugh in spanish. . . .why do u find it easy to believe anti-xtian beliefs without adequate intellectual basis/analyses?

Actually i do not believe in the torah but the christian religion was created out of the hebrew religion. . . .the writers of the gospels mistranslated the hebrew scriptures and created a new god out of it. . . . . .unless if you want to tell me you know more about the torah than the jews that invented it. . . . .they have completely destroyed all your jesus prophecies. . . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: The immense scale of the universe by mazaje(m): 12:40pm On Oct 07, 2009

lightwalk:
The Universe is far much bigger than you are currently percieving it, God went so far away from us when we wanted to near him, Thousand of years of technology will not even help!

What is this huh

. . . . . is this this ridiculous theory of yours found in your bible? Or is this one of your actions of pushing your imaginary god into the relm of the unknown?

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 12:26pm On Oct 07, 2009

noetic15:
I am sure this thread would feed your ignorance

I laugh in greek. . . . . .jewish scholars and rabbis have already destroyed all these claims to death. . . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophecies Fulfilled By Jesus Christ by mazaje(m): 4:57am On Oct 07, 2009

noetic15:
where is huxley and mazaje?

Any problem? Why are you looking for me?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Walked On Water: by mazaje(m): 4:54am On Oct 07, 2009

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=331468.msg4682188#msg4682188 date=1254887614]abeg this is a merry go round.

keep yourself company here. wink

[/quote]tpia baby kiss

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Walked On Water: by mazaje(m): 4:49am On Oct 07, 2009

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=331468.msg4682175#msg4682175 date=1254887180]why are you so bothered for crying out loud.

why so much bitterness nah. Have you needed healing before and didnt get any? huh

[/quote]The problem with you guys is the constant lies you always tell yourselves so that you can sleep at night. . . .I am not cryıng out loud. . .I am only asking you if the promise jesus made is true. . . you as a believer in his teachings should be a magician as he has already promised you. . . so the question is have you ever performed any of the magic jesus promised you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Walked On Water: by mazaje(m): 4:44am On Oct 07, 2009

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=331468.msg4682158#msg4682158 date=1254886862]so if you're not one of the bolded wetin be your own ? huh

and of course you only know of magic.[/quote]Here are the words of jesus. . . .

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. John 14:12-14

Have you ever performed magic before like jesus promised you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Walked On Water: by mazaje(m): 4:41am On Oct 07, 2009

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=331468.msg4682149#msg4682149 date=1254886581]^^ you no fit waka pass something you claim not to need, abi?

Continue crying then.[/quote]I laugh in greek grin

. . . .Do you believe in jesus? do you have faith in his teachings? have you ever healed an amputee and made his or her amputated limbs grow back? did jesus not promise you guys that believe in him the ability to perform such magic? Did he not say that you guys will do greater things than he did?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Walked On Water: by mazaje(m): 4:38am On Oct 07, 2009

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=331468.msg4682086#msg4682086 date=1254884031]commanding God to "perform" for your personal amusement is like asking for magic tricks.

If you're going to believe, believe, and if you're not going to, then waka pass. Or who is begging you? huh

certainly not me.[/quote]Actually no body is commanding your god to perform any magic. . . . .your god himself promised those of you that believe in him the ability to perform magic so that people will see and believe ın him. . .have you ever healed a blind person before? do you have faith in the teachings of jesus? That is the only thing that is required of you according to the bible. . .and you will have the ability to perfom magic. . . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Walked On Water: by mazaje(m): 4:33am On Oct 07, 2009

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=331468.msg4681959#msg4681959 date=1254878692]He doesnt have to do ~~anything~~ magic tricks just on your say so.

Cry till next week if you like.[/quote]The person that is actually crying here is you. . . . .The problem is that the bible says that jesus himself promised those who believe in him the ability to perform greater magic than what was written down about him. . . .he promised those that believe in him greater ability to perfom magic. . . .

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. John 14:12-14

I did not write these things in your bible. . . . do you believe in jesus and have faith in his teachings? How many amputees have you personally healed? remember jesus saıd if you have faith in his teachings you will do greater things than the things that were written about him. . . how many blind people have you healed? have you ever walked on water? what about raising people from the dead?how many people have you raised from the dead? have you ever turned water into wine? do you believe in jesus? how many of these things have you ever done? did jesus not say that you can perform magic if you have faith in his teachings? do you have faith? have you ever healed a person that is deaf before? Why or why not. . . .answer the questions and stop crying all over the place. . . it was your jesus that promised you the ability to perfom magic not me. . . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Walked On Water: by mazaje(m): 11:20pm On Oct 06, 2009

kolaxy:
Matthew 19:26

26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

Why can't you god heal amputees and make their amputated limbs grow back?

Christianity Etc › Re: The immense scale of the universe by mazaje(m): 11:18pm On Oct 06, 2009

KunleOshob:
Wow the unviverse is truly awesome and in effect that means it's creator is even more awesome. The sheer size of the universe testifies to the glory of the almighty creator God. No religion not even christianity can comprehend the glory of God and that is why these things were not recorded in the bible. Even if God told the biblical writers how would they record it if they can't comprehend it. Even scientist acknowledge that they know extremely very little. How do you expect biblical writers to even begin to give terminologies to the immense and unfathomable scale of the universe.

The problem ıs that the writers of the bible know nothıng about the universe as we know it today. . .to them the stars are just some tiny little lamps that hang up in the sky. . . stars were thing that will some day fall into the earth. . . they said that stars fought along side humans ın battles. . . in fact to the bible writers the earth was all that matters in the universe. . . . .

olabowale:
THE QURAN VERSES THAT DESCRIBE THE HEAVENLY BODIES RELATIVE TO THE EARTH AND THE IMMENSED KNOWLEDGE THAT IS IN THEM FOR
MANKIND TO GO EXPERIENCE: KNOWLEDGE IS PWER. ALTIMATE KNOWLEDGE IS QURAN

**Look at how the Universe is described in the Quran; its creation, distances between heavenly objects, their functions and rulings guiding them, etc! Is there a better Professoral presentation, where you then read and make your research as if in Scientific labs performing experiments?

"Do not the unbelievers see that the skies (space) and the earth (matter) were joined together (as one unit of creation) and we ripped them apart?" The Quran, 21:30

"Then He took hold of the sky when it was smoke." 41:11

"The sun and the moon follow courses precisely computed" 55:5

"And the sky He raised and set the balance" 55:7

**The orbits of the heavenly bodies are mentioned in the verse:

"and the sun and the moon, all travelling in orbits." 21:33

"…as if it were a brilliant star……, whose oil (fuel) is well lit, even no fire touches it." 24:35

"Blessed is He who made constellations in the sky and placed there in a lamp, and a moon giving light." 25:61

And also:

"It is He who made the sun to light up (the sky) and the moon that is lit." 10:5

"and the heavens we created with might (power) and we are expanding it." 51:47
"He has ordained the sun and the moon, each one runs (it's course) for an appointed time." 13:2

**Surah, 81 in its opening verse, describes the end of time as follows:

"When the sun is rounded (swelling like a ball)"

"When the stars have collapsed"

"When the oceans boil over in a swell" 81:6
"when stars lose their lustre" 77:8

**Many ways to show that these Universe is vast, including giving you varied measurement of time, being relative to time and space and distances between objects, by irrelevant to Allah their Creator, Who is not bound by the time(s)!

1) "the angels and the spirit ascend unto Him in a day, the measure of which was fifty thousand years." 70:4
2) "…a day relative to your God is equivalent to a thousand years of your count." 22:47
"…on a day, the measure of which was a thousand years of your count." 32:5

**Allah mentions a creative process, and their spatial positions

"Have you not seen how God has created seven skies one above the other?" 71:15

**The barriers that exist between these universes are mentioned in the following verse:

"……if you can penetrate through the zones of the skies and the earth, then penetrate, you will not do so without authority." 55:33

"And we have decorated the lowest heaven (universe) with lanterns (stars)." 41:12

Pls stop telling lies for mohammed and allah. . . . . the koran does not even say anything important about the earth. . . . .The koran says that shooting stars are allah's weapons against the jınns who go to paradise to lısten to what is going on there grin

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Common Confusions Of The Bible by mazaje(m): 6:27pm On Oct 05, 2009

Abuzola:
Hahahaha. What a fithy book

I now completely agree that you are insane. . . . . .What about your own filthy koran? huh

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe In A God: But Still Choosing Religions by mazaje(m): 6:24pm On Oct 05, 2009

shakerz:
Been studying all types but really its between christianity and Islam, the thing is am leaning towards islam because the doctrine soo much more simple and easy to understand without the theological paradoxical notions of the trinity or the original sin, maybe i should abandon both but i dont know, christianity atleast the modern feels soo far removed from Yeshua(esa) the aramaic jewish man living in 2000 years ago, i can almost feel and smell the change of the religion when i walk into a church

You are a muslim posıng as an agnostic . . .the problem is that the koran and the OT are almost the same because most of the stories in the koran were stolen from the OT. . . .If you insist that the OT is false then you automatically accept that the koran is false. . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: The immense scale of the universe by mazaje(m): 8:23pm On Oct 04, 2009

The universe is too big. . what really is this thing?. . . . .I just hope one day humans will get to really know what this thing is. . . .For now we know very little about it. . .

Christianity Etc › Re: I Find The Greek Creation Myth Appealing To My Intellect ! by mazaje(m): 5:10pm On Oct 03, 2009

noetic15:
@ abuzola

do u think anyone is actually reading your spams?

Pls help me ask the retarded slave of allah. . . .

Christianity Etc › Re: The Beginning Of The Universe-The Big Bang Theory by mazaje(m): 2:12pm On Oct 03, 2009

Abuzola:
[b] Quran chapter 47

1. Those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Prophet Muhammad ], and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (Islamic Monotheism), He will render their deeds vain .

2. But those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and believe in that which is sent down to Muhammad (), for it is the truth from their Lord, He will expiate from them their sins, and will make good their state.

3. That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus does Allah set forth their parables for mankind.

4. So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,

5. He will guide them and set right their state.

6. And admit them to Paradise which He has made known to them (i.e. they will know their places in Paradise more than they used to know their houses in the world).

7. O you who believe! If you help (in the cause of) Allah, He will help you, and make your foothold firm.

8. But those who disbelieve (in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism), for them is destruction, and (Allah) will make their deeds vain.

9. That is because they hate that which Allah has sent down (this Qur'an and Islamic laws, etc.), so He has made their deeds fruitless.

10. Have they not travelled through the earth, and seen what was the end of those before them? Allah destroyed them completely and a similar (fate awaits) the disbelievers.

11. That is because Allah is the Maula (Lord, Master, Helper, Protector, etc.) of those who believe, and the disbelievers have no Maula (lord, master, helper, protector, etc.).

12. Certainly! Allah will admit those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, to Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), while those who disbelieve enjoy themselves and eat as cattle eat, and the Fire will be their abode.

13. And many a town, stronger than your town (Makkah) (O Muhammad ) which has driven you out We have destroyed. And there was none to help them.

14. Is he who is on a clear proof from his Lord, like those for whom their evil deeds that they do are beautified for them, while they follow their own lusts (evil desires)?

15. The description of Paradise which the Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2) have been promised is that in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which are not changed; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine delicious to those who drink; and rivers of clarified honey (clear and pure) therein for them is every kind of fruit; and forgiveness from their Lord. (Are these) like those who shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels?

16. And among them are some who listen to you (O Muhammad ) till, when they go out from you, they say to those who have received knowledge: "What has he said just now? Such are men whose hearts Allah has sealed, and they follow their lusts (evil desires).

17. While as for those who accept guidance, He increases their guidance, and bestows on them their piety.

18. Do they then await (anything) other than the Hour, that it should come upon them suddenly? But some of its portents (indications and signs) have already come, and when it (actually) is on them, how can they benefit then by their reminder?

19. So know (O Muhammad ) that La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and ask forgiveness for your sin, and also for (the sin of) believing men and believing women. And Allah knows well your moving about, and your place of rest (in your homes).

20. Those who believe say: "Why is not a Surah (chapter of the Qur'an) sent down (for us)? But when a decisive Surah (explaining and ordering things) is sent down, and fighting (Jihad - holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is mentioned (i.e. ordained) therein, you will see those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy) looking at you with a look of one fainting to death. But it was better for them (hypocrites, to listen to Allah and to obey Him).[/b]

Christianity Etc › Re: How Noah Carried 2 Whales? by mazaje(m): 2:11pm On Oct 03, 2009

Abuzola:
[b] Quran chapter 47

1. Those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Prophet Muhammad ], and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (Islamic Monotheism), He will render their deeds vain .

2. But those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and believe in that which is sent down to Muhammad (), for it is the truth from their Lord, He will expiate from them their sins, and will make good their state.

3. That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus does Allah set forth their parables for mankind.

4. So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,

5. He will guide them and set right their state.

6. And admit them to Paradise which He has made known to them (i.e. they will know their places in Paradise more than they used to know their houses in the world).

7. O you who believe! If you help (in the cause of) Allah, He will help you, and make your foothold firm.

8. But those who disbelieve (in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism), for them is destruction, and (Allah) will make their deeds vain.

9. That is because they hate that which Allah has sent down (this Qur'an and Islamic laws, etc.), so He has made their deeds fruitless.

10. Have they not travelled through the earth, and seen what was the end of those before them? Allah destroyed them completely and a similar (fate awaits) the disbelievers.

11. That is because Allah is the Maula (Lord, Master, Helper, Protector, etc.) of those who believe, and the disbelievers have no Maula (lord, master, helper, protector, etc.).

12. Certainly! Allah will admit those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, to Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), while those who disbelieve enjoy themselves and eat as cattle eat, and the Fire will be their abode.

13. And many a town, stronger than your town (Makkah) (O Muhammad ) which has driven you out We have destroyed. And there was none to help them.

14. Is he who is on a clear proof from his Lord, like those for whom their evil deeds that they do are beautified for them, while they follow their own lusts (evil desires)?

15. The description of Paradise which the Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2) have been promised is that in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which are not changed; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine delicious to those who drink; and rivers of clarified honey (clear and pure) therein for them is every kind of fruit; and forgiveness from their Lord. (Are these) like those who shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels?

16. And among them are some who listen to you (O Muhammad ) till, when they go out from you, they say to those who have received knowledge: "What has he said just now? Such are men whose hearts Allah has sealed, and they follow their lusts (evil desires).

17. While as for those who accept guidance, He increases their guidance, and bestows on them their piety.

18. Do they then await (anything) other than the Hour, that it should come upon them suddenly? But some of its portents (indications and signs) have already come, and when it (actually) is on them, how can they benefit then by their reminder?

19. So know (O Muhammad ) that La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and ask forgiveness for your sin, and also for (the sin of) believing men and believing women. And Allah knows well your moving about, and your place of rest (in your homes).

20. Those who believe say: "Why is not a Surah (chapter of the Qur'an) sent down (for us)? But when a decisive Surah (explaining and ordering things) is sent down, and fighting (Jihad - holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is mentioned (i.e. ordained) therein, you will see those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy) looking at you with a look of one fainting to death. But it was better for them (hypocrites, to listen to Allah and to obey Him).[/b]

What is this?. . . .why you stop deluding yourself and believing in the ridiculous myths that abound i that you stupid book called the koran? huh

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