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Abuzola:
Which point ? You havent answer the question and you are crediting yourself, nawa o

Kai mallam dare ta yi je ka kuwanta ka huta. . . . . . . . . .

KUNLEOSHOB

Tithing and pentecostal movement

davidylan:
this is the proof for evolution? Mutating one gene to adapt to develop resistance to a drug?

I wonder why bacteria havent morphed into a higer organism all this while which is the ESSENCE of evolution. All these false attempts to call it "micro" evolution just wont wash.

I said these are the evidence for micro evolution that scientist have provided, you are not a scientist. They won't wash by you or scientist? No body needs your opinion when scientific studies are being discussed because you have never and will never contribute anything to the scientific process. . . . . . .

noetic2:
why are scared of taking up my challenge?

You presented no challenge, stop giving yourself credit you don't deserve at all.

In the beginning, the everlasting God spoke both time and the universe into existence. At first, the earth was without form and unfilled. Over three days, God gave form to the sky, sea, and land. Then, on the following three days, God filled these voids with abundant reminders of His glory.

Included in the original material of creation was water, out of which God created the earth. This unique planet had just the right mix of chemicals and the right mass to hold a life-sustaining atmosphere.

God then raised a landmass, similar to Rodinia. As the water rushed off the just-created continent, they scoured the surface and dumped trillions of tons of dirt at the edges of the continent, up to thirty miles deep.

God created all sorts of bacteria to convert chemicals into useable forms and make them available to plants and animals. He stationed these bacteria in every corner of the globe, from the deepest parts of the crust to the sea and sky.

God then filled the land with billions of energy factories, known as plants. From the first day of their existence, these plants were fully functional. In each plant hundreds of chemical processes ran in perfect symphony, harnessing the sun’s energy to provide food for living things.

A bewildering variety of plants made up niches all over the earth. In the DNA of each “kind” of plant was a rich storehouse of instructions to produce a variety of offspring. For example, within the first grasses was information to produce wheat, rye, rice, bamboo and fescue. By God’s command, the earth was bursting with ripe fruit and grains, ready to satisfy the needs of living things.

On day Four, God began the process of “filling” the universe. By His command a vast variety of astronomical objects burst into being, including comets, moons, planets and stars. Each object was unique, beautiful and fully functional.

God placed the sun at just the right distance from earth to keep our planet warm. He set a moon in earth’s orbit with the right mass and distance for tides to cleanse the seas. As the earth spins, the sun and stars rise with clockwork precision, marking the passage of time for living things.

At last, God was ready to introduce life into creation. He filled the ocean, sky, and land. Despite their differences, living things share many things in common – chemicals, genetic codes, and cell structures – to help them coexist in the same world. Such design shows the hand of a wise Designer.

Like plants, animals were divided into “kinds” that can generate incredible variety. For example, the ancestors of the camel kind produced offspring as diverse as Ilamas, alpacas, and one-humped and two humped camels.

No living thing was alone. God placed them all into an astonishing array of fully functional communities, probably more diverse, beautiful and integrated than anything we see today. Whether T. rex tromping through a cycad forest or trilobites swimming in shallow seas, each exotic environment reminds us how much living things depend on each other-and the Creator.

God capped off this week by making humans in His likeness and giving us dominion over the earth. By the end, a beautiful tapestry of forms, colours, sounds and tastes filled the earth. Communities lived in harmony, and all was “very good”. The stage was set for God’s most glorious work.

Sorry but the bible does not say ANY of the things written here, these are the opinion of the writer of this article but not what is written in the bible. The bible says that the moon was created to rule over the night, science showed that the gravitational pull from the moon create tides which cleans the seas, the bible says not such thing. . . . . . . .

The bible does not talk about the biblegod creating bacteria, this is very telling because the writer actually prefers science and what it has revealed to humanity than the "word of god". What does the guy mean by the ancestors of camels producing lamas, alpacas, and one-humped and two humped camels. Is he tacitly endorsing evolution? . . . . . . . .

noetic2:
By creating the world and its inhabitants God left us undeniable evidence. Note that the following statements are very different.

Neotic claims are doomed to fail right from the start. He wants to show "undeniable evidence" for a creation of the world, but thats not what he did.

His whole claim is built on the premise, that what he wants to show is true. . . . . . . Instead of letting the 'evidence' speak for itself, he presuppose his favored outcome "God created the world" is true to show "God created the world."That's not how it works. . . . . . . . . .

I will ask you to begin anew and show us evidence that points directly to your god (the god of the bible) without using the bible in your argument or presupposing "god did it" right from the start.
If there is "undeniable evidence" like you say, then this task should be an easy one for you. . . . . . . . . .

There is yet no repeatable, scientific, observable, recordable or reproducible analyses, process, theory or evidence to suggest that animals evolve.

Ever used antibiotics? Ever wondered, why we have to invent more and more antibiotics instead of just using basic Penicillin and Erythromycin?

You should also have a look at the Nylon-eating bacteria.
Nylon does not exist in nature and has only been around since 1935. The strain of bacteria discovered in 1975 produce a enzyme capable of digesting nylon. Prior to that they were not able to do that and it has been confirmed that the enzyme is in fact 'new' (meaning the ability to digest nylon evolved from scratch).
Since then the 'evolution' of the ability to digest nylon has been replicated in laboratories with other strains of bacteria. I am not an evolutionist but these are some of the evidence for evolution(micro evolution) and scientist agree to it.

Where is davidylan's evidence to show that Moses wrote the book of genesis?

davidylan:
Anyone knows what this dude is saying? I cant make anything out of this rant. Perhaps Krayola has an idea.

the dude is speaking in the ONLY language you understand. . . .stupid and hopeless fool. . . . .

davidylan:
The reason you cant see any "explanations" is that 95% of the time you're not asking a question because you want an answer . . . majority of you stumble on someone's poorly researched claims on the web then rush here to pretend to be interested in an answer. If you cant craft your own questions its harder to understand the answer.

Krayola . . . i'm sure you note your atheist brethren.

again stop the foolishness you are displaying here and the ridiculous claim that you have "answers" you have non at all, no body is here to ask you any question but to show you that you have NO arguments at all. If you have any arguments you will not be foolishly and stupidly waiting on the evolutionist to provide their evidence for evolution before claiming to provide the evidence for creationism that you don't have and will never have to provide. You will simply go and provide your  scientific evidence for creationism and shut the other side up once and for all.

You don't know what you are talking about apart from regurgitating the idea's of ancient men that thought the earth was created before the sun as you "facts". Deluded idiot. . . . . . . .

davidylan:
The day i see you make a cerebral contribution to a thread aside from snide remarks and insults . . . hell will freeze over.

sure. . . that is the ONLY language fools like you understand, so i have to speak in the only language goons like you understand. idiot. . . . . .

davidylan:
Simply say you chose not to see them or you scoffed at them. Even if there were 1000 threads explaining genesis . . . one of you woolheads will still come back demanding more "Explanation". Nothing new here . . . next quest pls.

What exactly has it "explained"? we are not here demanding explanations because you have NON at all, if we need any explanations we know where to go, stop deluding yourself into thinking you have any "explanations" you have NON at all, in fact you don't even know what you are saying talk less of trying to explain it to any one. stop giving yourself too much credit that you don't deserve at all. Stupid and hopeless fool. . . .

davidylan:
you people are only an "expert" at one thing - castigating the bible even when you neither understand it nor the very science you try to postulate as an alternative.

do you understand the bible you are always trying to defend what do you know about it? what do you understand about science? Idiot. . . .

davidylan:
why do you think that is the stalemate? FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT ATHEISTS CANNOT/WILL NEVER PRODUCE EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION SINCE THEY DONT HAVE!

There are several threads explaining Genesis . . . several explaining the gospels, several explaining God and his dealing with the jews in the OT. When will atheists oblige with their own side of the story?

What have these "thread" ever "explained" about genesis?

davidylan:
if this thread where about getting these deluded atheists to explain either evolution or atheism AS A FAITH, they would long have disappeared.

bla bla bla sheep. . . . . have you any wool?

davidylan:
Does Krayola understand science to start with?  

This foolish pseudo scientist can not hear the word science without coming there and displaying his foolishness. Do you understand what science is in the first place? Idiot. . . . . .

toneyb:
Noetic says that "miracles" abound in churches and that his god appears to him in his dreams( the reason his god only appears to him in his dreams is what i can't really understand)  

Miracles "abound" in churches no wonder the strongest advocates of miracles like oyahkilome and oyedepo send their family members to get medical treatment abroad when they fell sick. . . . . miracle "abound" in churches yet nigerians christians are still dying of preventable diseases like flies.

Miracle "abound" in churches yet the immediate family members of the people that perform the miracles( pastor Kumuyi) can not be miraculously cured, Kumuyi's wife died of cancer at the young age of 50 ien the deeper lif camp ground where many went to "receive miracless". Miracles abound in churches indeed.

As for his tall claims of his god "appearing" to him in his dreams all I can say is that at least he is honest enough to say that it is only a dream unlike the other fools that write books and sell about how they went to heaven and saw a golden bible sitting on a golden table(in wonder which version or translation of the bible they saw in "heaven". Deluded fools. . . . . .

noetic2:
please stop lying and embarrassing urself.

I have never denied that FAITH is an integral component of christianity. but faith is not an excuse for establishing the truth about biblical notions. To discredit the bible on the false premise that we rely on faith is intellectually dishonest.

What are the "truth" you speak about? What are the biblical notions that are "true"?

Neotic will you just accept that you only believe what you do based on faith and stop making a fool of yourself?. . . . . . Apart from the bible and all of its unverifiable claims and assertions which you only believe by faith alone what else have you got to show that your beliefs are "true" or better than any body's believes?. . . . .

You only believe the bible based only on faith and faith says that you must believe without evidence and even when the assertions  that are made make no sense at all. . . . . . . . If the bible which you like to present as evidence for your god is incorrect regarding matters that  a person like me can check and verify (such as history, archeology, or science) why should I believe it is correct regarding matters that I can not check and verify such as life after death and how to find everlasting life?

Chrisbenogor:
lol exactly my thoughts when I wrote armed robber am mostly in PH but presently in warri to see the old man, how you dey na , back in naija?

Yeah i am presently in naija. . . came for a friends wedding. . .PH dey far off for now cos na abuja i dey. . .will be going back on wednessday. . . .will be back in september for a month or two then i hope to meet you. . . . .

@ Tudur

I will be in naija again by september for about a month or two we fit jam den. . . . .

Tudor would have loved to meet up with you if you were presently in Nigeria. . . . .cos i am presently in Nigeria. . . .will be leaving very soon though. . . 

Chrisbenogor:
Tudor thanks a lot my lil sister schools there now and there is loads of complaining from her as a christian so I wondered what it will be for you lol.
It must have been fun making fun of bible verses lol so you can pass an exam.
As for the armed robber called oyedepo I can only shake my head, it would be fun to hire good private investigators to monitor all their activites and give these ass kissing thomases a good scare about their so called papa.
Cheers man.

he is armed with the bible and the holy spirit. . . .  . . . how body chris? na which part of naija u dey sef?

Tudor what did you study in covenant university?. . . .

Abuzola:
Lol. Church indeed

How is the mosque better than the church?. . . . apart from teaching and encouraging violence, discrimination, segregation, and the ridiculous LIE that there are 72 virgins awaiting those that die doing allah's work what really has the mosque contributed to humanity?. . . . .

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=297632.msg4213157#msg4213157 date=1248002406]And you see nigerians deceiving themselves that they're[b] christians because the "love" and wanna "serve" god.[/b] When all they're after is money, and something to just put their hopes on. . .somebody better tell them this is lazy and they'd better think and work for a better life themselves.[/quote]They can't even love the people around them yet they claim to love a god that they are yet to completely come together and agree on what exactly his basic nature is. . . . .pathetic i must say. . . . .

Abuzola:
The christian are the anti christ from all perspective, they did what jesus never did, they transgress , what happen to thousand of jesus teaching gospel rejected by constantine. A word is enough for the wise

And then moslems are fools forever for believing in the rants of a deluded mad man called mohammed no?

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=297632.msg4213050#msg4213050 date=1247999228]Thanks mazaje. .

Chris being an atheist was hell in that university. The numerous church services, programmes and seminars teaching pure delusions were sickening. We even had bible/spiritual courses you take as part of your programme and there's no way you gonna graduate if you fail those courses.
The rules were archaic and simply stupid. There was a time you literarily had to go register your girlfriend with the authorities in order to date her in school. No phones, no cars allowed - in some wierd way they think everybody was born again and a good christian but i know for a fact 95% of students have sex, drink and party once outside the school premises.

We had some kind of student police called the "Revolutionary Squad" - A group of self righteous students synonimous with the religious police in saudi arabia, they pretty much had the same functions. A "REVO" like we called them can recommend you for expulsion and you're pretty much a goner. One of my happiest days was when a punched one square in the face for querying me about flying my shirt after classes.

I had to read and know my bible coz you're pretty much done if you don't. The bishop was feared like he was god himself, he has some sort of an anger problem, really a very impulsive guy and can lay a curse on anyone probably for stealing something. I got to see his flamboyant lifestyle up close the cars, houses, jet and all. Students who couldn't even afford the school fees had to withdraw and we all thought the church is supposed to be a charity and cater for gods people.
Well as long as we have morons and stupid people oyedepo's star will keep on shining, the guy is really merchandising the prosperity gospel one of his favorite quote "I CAN NEVER BE POOR" sometimes he tells the members blatantly "i do not need your money" as if its not their cash that feeds his family.
He goes on blabbing about the vision he received in 1988 or whatever. . .if i narrate the so called vision you gonna laugh off a cliff
let me stop here for now coz i can go on and on till tomorrow. . .[/quote]You can't blame the guy. . . its not easy doing what these pastors are doing it takes a lot of courage and skills, but the problem is that people don't really have eyes. . . i am presently in nigeria and things just keep getting worse nothing ever changes. . .you go come back and every thing remains the same. . .people pray all the time and life NEVER changes only for the clever pastors and their family. . . .if people dont gve money to the pastors they will give it to babalawo, witch doctors, traditional healers, rehab centers, spend it on beer or any other thing that will give them some hope since most have been forced to believe that life is hopeless and useless.

If you are in a fix and can't do anything for yourself, you will love to pay anything to any one that promises you that it will get better. . . . . once god is invoked, people will give out all they have to invest in god. Money, fear, prosperity, show off and the message of hope is what drives most people to church in nigeria. . . . . .

Tudor is a very interesting person. . . . a person that really knows what he is saying. . . . .i really enjoy reading his posts on the religion section. . . .

omojesu777:
My dear brother, it does not really matter how long one has been asking God , it's a matter of how consistent we are in asking and the situation of our hearts. Let me tell you! There are hundreds and thousands of Nigerians and non Nigerians who are enjoying the blessings of God financially and materially today through the word of Faith preached by Bishop Oyedepo. I'am not living in Nigeria but blessed through his words . I have never seen oyedepo or attended any of his services but his God given messages has transformed my life in all ramification.He's blessed and his members are blessed too . The Bible says that ''the husbandman must first be the partaker of the fruit''[b]He's enjoying the fruit of his labor because he's a servant of the Most-High. [/b]If there's something better than a private jet, a servant of God deserves it.God has blessed His people with all sorts of blessings ,so my brother private jet is too small. If you are not careful,the next news you;ll receive is that Bishop Oyedepo owns a private space craft.

Did you bother to read Tudor's post at all? Are the members of his church not also the "servants of the most high"? When will the members of the church whose money he used to build a school a school that most of them can't afford to send their children to, buy a private jet and send his children to study abroad start reaping?

Krayola:
YOu believe in magic men that do tricks and save souls, and i'm the loony? chei!!!

the problem is that the fool goes over to the islamic thread and ask moslems to prove on thing or the other about the koran or their belief. . . when the same is asked of him he cries and begins to complain that people are attacking his imaginary god because they are afraid in one way or the other. . . . .  i don't think that any body that is ever afraid of his imaginary sky daddy will say Bleep jesus, the holy ghost abi na holy spirit and jehovah. . . Bleep all the gods in the trinity. . . they should go suck a dic.k. . . . .

Krayola:
@ davidlan. . .i've never asked you for proof of anything. I'm a religious studies major. . . I know better. Nothing of this sort can be proven beyond doubt.  The day u box me into a corner will the the day your messiah comes back on his flying horse.

I was hoping u were really interested in debating the authorship of the Bible. . . but u get so defensive everytime that its just easy to see how scared u are. Not of us, but of hell. U can't even see things that are obvious. U deny reason. . .that can't be what God wants from u. If u really seek God U will use all ur faculties, and search for what makes sense, and not what scares u straight.

the fool loves consoling his deluded ego by thinking that atheist come to the religious section because his sky daddy is real and we are afraid of his imaginary sky daddy in one way or the other(Bleep jesus, yahwah the holy ghost and all the gods in the nonsense that is called the trinity). . .far from it. . . i (and some others have said it too) come to the religious section to show him and his other deluded and deranged friends that they have no argument and that it is perectly normal to be an atheist because his deluded friends in nigeria will almost put a knife on you if you tell them that you are an atheist. . .since i visits nigeria regularly and nairaland is the biggest nigerian forum online i use it as a medium to show them that they have no argument and it is very normal for any body to discard the ridiculous and nonsensical claims and drop the unnecessary fear and hate they have for atheist as bindex said. . . . .

davidylan:
i think the reverse is ACTUALLY THE CASE with the majority of you. Deep down you know that evolution is FALSE . . . if you didnt have to counter creationism with something, anything . . . you would NEVER believe it.

If evolution were a FACT like bindex and co like waffling about . . . you wont even bother to log unto the religion section.

the difference between me and you is that evolution or not, i am FIRM . . . SOLID AS A ROCK in my belief that the bible is true. I dont need to tender proof to you . . . its a belief that wont EVER CHANGE . . . so good luck making noise like the empty barrel you are.

na today. . . we don hear that one tire. . .if the bible is "true" as you love to delude yourself into thinking it is. . . you won't be on any thread trying to show how "true" it is. . .the sun produces light that is true. . . . i have never seen you talking about the sun and trying to explain to any body how true the sun is to any body. . .your empty shouts about your "solid" belief in the bible doesn't make it true, you believe in the bible as "true" but that does not make the bible true. . . . . it only makes you look more desperate, deluded and stupid. . . .

davidylan:
nah . . . knowing you would be a harrowing experience in dishonesty. No thanks.

what happened to krayola?   He's run out of gas so fast?

like the dishonesty that defines you the life you live and everything that you do?

davidylan:
this is a piss poor attempt that SKIRTS the real question and devolves instead to irrelevant relativism. I didnt ASK for your opinion on which was better between evolution and creationism . . . i asked specifically for what you consider an alternative to creationism.

Now why do you find evolution a better explanation? Based on what? Do you have evidence that evolution EVER occured at all? what exactly does evolution explain? That you became a human instead of a frog? How? Those are the sort of meaty stuff i was looking for in your response. Real concrete stuff pls . . . i'm tired of this wishy washy attempts to avoid having to face reality.

if creationism is true i don't think you will ever need any body's explanations for evolution. . . .deep inside you KNOW that creationism is nothing more than the thoughts of ancient bronze aged men. . .so you try to find solace in the believe that evolution is equally not true. . . if creationism is true and you truly accept it as you pretend you do you will never go near any evolution thread. . . .

davidylan:
wonder why you're never hounding scientists for proof for the theory of evolution. Sickening having to read such hypocrisy. I'm done with you dude until you have something cerebral to contribute.

this fool never stops giving. . . . how do you know that i never ask scientist for proof of evolution? you don't know me do you?

davidylan:
At least you're honest enough not to blab about stuff you dont understand unlike the other dolts who wouldnt be able to post anything if wikipedia or google didnt exist.

By the way . . . isnt it funny that you have [b]NO alternative to creationism [/b]but yet spend so much time bawling for proof of creationism? how does that "proof" help you? How would you even know that the "proof" was credible or not?

what's with krayola?  

do i need any alternative to the creation myth?. . . the creation myth is just what it is a myth. . .the people that wrote it have absolute no idea how the universe came into existence. . .the creation account is just an hypothesis of bronze aged men.