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noetic2:
are u this gullible? didnt u see the "evolve" in quote. . . . . u should have asked me what I meant by "evolve".

i might be a lot of things but gullible is what i am not.

what is ur alternative? How did life begin? what are the pioneer organisms? what are the components of the first chemical reactions that kick started life/evolution?

you saw me talk about abiogeneis didn't you? that is one explanation for the origin of life. where did your bible talk about the complex first chemical reactions that kick started life?

I dont expect u to know, cos for over 100 years your lying evolution predecessors COULD NOT find an answer.

what answers have your own lying goat herders that decided to tag refraction of sunlight on the earth atmosphere a covenant between them and their god?

How is this relevant to the debate?

it shows that there are some honest one amongst you that are willing and not afraid to state that creationism is a senseless drivel.

huxley2:
Maz,

Am fine.  Was just admiring in awe at how well you explain evolution here. Great Job.

, nice to know that you are fine. actually it wasn't me that wrote it down it was a friend that wrote it down for me so i decided to share it, it is very simple and clear infact it is the best explanation of evolution that i have ever come across.

what is so hard neotic you should have done this already, why are you wasting time?

noetic2:
you see. . . .This was why I wanted clarification, before I go on.

Do you want me to defend/analyse my initial statement about scientific evidences that suggest noah's flood

OR

Do u want to debate the possibility of Noah's flood happening. I chose to do this cos I am aware of ur diversion and "lying" techniques.

i want you to do the part i highlighted in bold.

noetic2:
@ Mazaje.

That life "evolves" is a proven "fact", the bone of contention is the very "source" of that "evolvement".

so you now admit  that life evolves eh? where in the bible does it ever make the assertion that life evolves? did the goat herders that wrote the bible ever know that life evolves? they would have written about if they knew wouldn't they?

what exactly is the point of substituting the very source of life with a "BIG BANG"? When a research has a defined boundary to state that "point A" can NEVER  be the source of life, and these same researchers CANNOT provide an alternative. then that is bias and very unobjective.

what is your own bible explanation for the origin of life? god breathe into  man that was made of dust and he began to live or that god directed the plants to come out of the ground and they did?(infact your god does not seem to know when exactly he created plants according to the 2 different creation accounts in genesis 1 and 2) how does that explain anything? right now we don't know for sure, there are other explanations for the origin of life(abiogenesis) which i believe is not very clear for now. how has your god did it ever explain anything. the old testament god was fond of using lighting to kill his enemies but once men knew what caused lighting and how it can be stopped from destroying all buildings and other things your god suddenly stopped using it.

What kick-started evolution? . . . . . . If u can answer this, then at LAST u might make sense.

i am studying all these assertions for now so i don't know. what kick started life? of course i know you will tell me that yahweh did without even trying to defend how he said he did it in the bible.

here is what an an evangelical christian scientist(david young) had to say.

"Creationism is an incredible pain in the neck, neither honest nor useful, and the people who advocate it have no idea how much damage they are doing to the credibility of belief."

if you can't then i will go ahead and provide scientific and hostorical evidence that disprove the mythical noah's flood that never happened.

noetic2:
where is mazaje?

i am here and i am still waiting for you to provided evidence for how your "scientific evidence" supports the noah's flood. . . .  . . . .

Here is what bindex wrote on the other thread.

Remeber that the bibleGod commited

Genocide
Punishing people for crimes that they did not commit at all
Animal sacrifices
Human sacrifice
Animal cruelty
The killing of innocent children and animals
Favouring one nation over other nations for no reason at all
The toleration and regulation of slavery
Promoting of wars and urging people to go to war against other nations without provocation
Commanding people to keep virgins as the spoils of war
Interfering with a person's free will to do good
Tried to kill his best friend moses

Ohhh what a merciful and loving God!!!

[quote author=Tùdor link=topic=279252.msg3966457#msg3966457 date=1243969395]You're an idiot! Whats the meaning of this? Have you explained the pedophilia of your prophet mohammed and your busy looking for young breasts and horse cum in the bible.
Hope you don't plan on using your donkey genitals on that 12year old. If your prophet can do it,why can't you?[/quote]

OLAADEGBU:
My response to your question has been corroborated by the article below that I came across recently, so I thought that I should share it with you, and that is if you have a heart for facts.

The Law for Today
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

"And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?" (Deuteronomy 4:

God has never dealt with any nation as closely and fully as He has with Israel, but He nevertheless is directly concerned with every nation as a national entity. He has actually established each nation Himself (Deuteronomy 32:, even determining the geographical boundaries of each and the time when each would rise and fall (Acts 17:26).

how do you expect a god they created in their very own image to deal with another country more closely than them did buddah or allah deal with the africans more closely than the chinese or arabs?

Every nation has a purpose in history, but Israel had the highest calling of all. God personally gave them (through Moses) the finest governmental and legal system any nation ever had (Deuteronomy 4:5-, and modern governments would therefore do well to emulate these, in so far as possible. In fact, it is amazing that this Mosaic legal code has since served effectively as the basic legal code for all the greatest nations in modern history. This, in itself, is clear testimony to its divine origin, and is therefore justification for retaining and implementing it wherever possible, even today.

what are these finest legal system? raping, murdering, en-slavery, pillaging their neighbours because they worshiped other gods? is that what you call the finest laws. their god even told them to stone to death their own disobedient children, and kill others for picking sticks on the sabbath, cut of the hands of women that go to rescue their husbands from his assailants . are these the finest laws you are talking about. you are clearly deluded.

Sadly, however, modern political and judicial practices are departing further and further from this divine standard. The philosophies of evolution and relativism dominate our schools of law today, and the concept of absolute principles of righteousness and justice, rooted in the nature of God as Creator and in His revelation, are largely being replaced by legislation based on evolving social policies and preferences. Even the Ten Commandments are banned from our schools, despite the fact that they are engraved in the Supreme Court building itself.

the "divine" commandments and standard written by misogynist goat herders who believed that their god lived with them inside a wooden box  is no standard for the modern man that has developed the computer to live by.

It is sobering to consider that God did not even spare His beloved nation Israel when His people departed from His law. Nor will He spare America, if our growing rebellion against His Word goes on much longer. HMM

america did not become what it is because they believe in the words or commandment of the god of the chauvinist ancient jews. the american constitution which is the document that has brought them thus far as a nation has no biblical passage contained in it.

ifele:
Tudor yu are one of the satans the opposer of God. if you do not repent you will damn yur soul to hell.

May God YHVH help you see the way.

did he tell you that he is afraid of hell? if he is ever afraid of hell will he be here posting anti christian post?

Cyberfreak:

Are you really expecting him to answer? When have you ever seen a post by noetic that actually made sense?

he just made some very  wild assertions without even knowing what they means as "scientific" evidence for his mythical story so i just want him to explain them and show how they support that which he said.

Horus:
He cannot reason outside the box of religion

the bible (and the religion it teaches) is just allegories and tales used to reflect the religious views in those times. . . .

huxley2:
Mazeje,

Well done. Keep it up.

what's up hux? how are you doing?

Image123:
Sentimentalists.
The unchanging Word of the everlasting God remains 'he that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1John 4v8. Before you knew how to walk or talk, God is love. After you're long gone and forgotten, God is Love.
Any normal person should appreciate punishment of evil-doers. Criminals should not be patted on the back in the name of civilisation or love. You know its funny how you hold on to some Bible passages with 'glee' while you disbelieve others.
How long do you halt between two opinions? If God be God, serve Him. If not, go your way. Why is it that you openly believe and quote scriptures that talk about God ordering some people to be destroyed, and killing this and that, but you demand for proof when you hear of God doing good things. Thats when we begin to hear over-rusted cliches like 'where is scientific proof, what of archeological backing' and other what-nots. How hypocritical.
Its your poor knowledge of God that disturbs you. When we start telling you to come to know God now, you'll start asking "what is all this drivel?" Yet its for your own good. To lighten your confusion and give you peace. If you know God, then you'll realise His Word that says, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance.(Isaiah40v15). Thats equally the Word of God. Its the Word of God, the equal Word as wherever you read for your sentiments to try to show that God is not love.
It's easier to agree with Isaiah today because we've seen the vast continent, and the planets, and the galaxies. The whole universe acclaimed to be created by God. Knowing the size of the universe should easily tell you how insignificant earth is, if Isaiah40 is beyond your mind. The Psalms say God humbles Himself to behold the things that are in heaven and in the earthPsalm133. That is how mighty God is. Thats why His dealings with man is a privilege, a show of amazing Love. Ever wondered how many thousands of chicken are killed daily by man to meet his needs?did I say thousands. Its the normal thing because we eat and sell them. Yet do you know it'll be dangerous if chickens were to be extinct from the food chain?
So they're important to us, yet we don't bat an eyelid if millions of them died in a month. Who cares 'bout the stats, right? The nations are less significant before God.
If you live in Africa, you're likely to have done this. A precious mosquito dares fly near you, and before it sucks an atom, you kill it. Then you go for the insecticide, after killing the important fly. And you spray the whole flat, killing mosquitoes, cockroaches, innocent eggs and etal. Who cares, they're insignificant. You're even much more insignificant before God, who has made all things. If I could give you the help of both the UN and the Middle-east, you couldn't create a fly.
It is grace, unMERITed favour, amazing love, that makes God to consider to make of our species, a people for Himself. It is this love that gives us hope of eternal reward. It is this love that draws us near to God, when we respond to His love. God is still in love with us, thats why He gave His only begotten Son, that if you believe in Him, you'll not perish but have eternal life. It does not cost nothing for God to destroy this world. tHE NATIONS that are so big in our eyes are as nothing, less than nothing before God(Isaiah 40v17). All we need to do is Believe in Jesus His Son.

for your god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and sent him to die for the sins of human 2000 years ago, by sending him to a very little desert community in the middle east? why didn't he send him to the whole world at the same time? he lived is life did a lot of things yet no body living during his time ever bothered to write anything bout him?. . . . . . in fact the first written story about him and how he lived his life was written about 40 years later by an unknown figure who never meet him. . . . . . has any god ever told you that he is in love with humanity or did you read it from some where? when you look around you do you see any god lovingly interacting with humans?

The bible records a flood that wiped all living creatures off the earth. This biblical account is buttressed by several scientific evidences including:

1. polystrate fossils
2. The existence of these fossils
3. Turbudity currents
4. Extensive Strata and pancake layering
5. Fossil Whales and several others.

please can you explain how this "several scientific evidences" that you have listed above support the noah's flood?

senator4u:
[color=#000099] WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION, [b]IS THERE TRUTH IN IT?[/colour]

I think so. I have been studying evolution for over 4 months now and I can believe that it contains some scientific truth in it. . . . . There are some aspects of it that I do not understand and my friend that explains most of the things to me is out of town, but let me just post the general theory of evolution what it means and what it says then you can decided for your self it it contains any truth in it. The post below was sent to me by a friend who wanted me to understand what evolution is all about.

What is evolution?

“Evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. “ – Wikipedia. The changes are small between generations however the amount of changes builds up over the course of several generations and can lead to substantial changes or the creation of a new species. Similarities between organisms (more on this later) have led the scientific community that all known species are descended from a common ancestor.

NOTE: EVOLUTION IS USED TO EXPLAIN THE DIVERSITY OF LIFE RATHER THAN THE ORIGINS OF LIFE (ABIOGENISIS)

NOTE 2: THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IS AN COMPLETELY SEPARATE THEORY TO THE BIG BANG THEORY.

Terms and definitions-

•   Common Ancestor-“A group of organisms is said to have common descent if they have a common ancestor. In modern biology, it is generally accepted that all living organisms on earth are descended from a common ancestor or ancestral gene pool.” – Wikipedia.
•   Species- A group of organisms which may reproduce and produce fertile viable offspring.
•   Organism- Anything which is alive.
•   Genome- The total genetic information within an organism.
•   Natural selection -the process where heritable traits that make it more likely for an organism to survive long enough to reproduce become more common over successive generations of a population.- Wikipedia
•   Phenotype- Any observable trait in an organism E.g. Male/female
•   Genotype- An organism’s genetic information for a trait. E.g. XY/XX
•   Mutations- Changes in the sequence of genetic material.
•   Recessive gene- a gene which is masked by a dominant gene, it is not weaker or worse
•   Dominant gene- a gene which masks a recessive gene, it is not stronger or better

How evolution works

How natural selection works

There is a misconception that evolution is random process, although mutation is random it is guided through the process of natural selection.  Within a species there is a certain extent of variation, these variations affect the chances of an organism from surviving long enough to reproduce. Say for example you have a group of locusts some of the locusts have a resistance to pesticides. Under normal conditions this locusts with resistance have no survival advantage however once the insects are exposed to the pesticides the resistant locusts have a selective advantage over the normal locusts and a greater proportion of the resistant locusts are able to reproduce than the locusts without the resistance. Eventually the resistant locusts make up the entirety of the population.

Nature of DNA+RNA
Before I go into mutations and how they affect the organism you need a basic understanding of DNA:
•   DNA is made up of 4 nucleotides Thymine (T), Adenine (A), Guanine (G), Cytosine (C)
•   DNA is coded in a series of triplets such as AAA TAG ACAG
•   Each of these triplets codes for one amino acid (see graph below)
•   The nucleotide sequences for stop mean start a new protein.

[img]http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/information-biological/GeneticCode.png[/img]

Mutations

There are several types of mutations:
•   Deletion- The removal of one or more nucleotides
•   Insertion- The addition of one or more nucleotides
•   Substitutions- The replacement of a nucleotide for another
•   Translocation- swapping of the position of nucleotides
•   Frame shift Mutations- An insertion or deletion of nucleotides that is not divisible by three which disrupts the triplet sequence. This can cause major changes in the entire sequence. E.G : 
AGT  TGA  GAT GTC  CCG  GCA  ACG  CTG ATC
Ser   Stop Asp  Val   Pro   Ala    Thr   Leu  Ile
Now remove the first Adenine
           GTT   GAG  ATG  TCC  CGG  CAA  CGC TGA TC
           Val     Glu    Met   Ser  Gly    Gin   Arg  STOP X

There are also large scale chromosomal mutations:
•   Duplications- additional copy/copies of a chromosomal regions leading to an increased dosage of the genes.
•   Deletions of large chromosomal regions can lead to the removal  of genes
•   Translocations- swapping parts of a chromosomes with other chromosomes
•   Inversions- reversing the way the chromosome is orientated.

The effect of mutations:
•   Silent mutations- mutations which have no effect because the mutation changes the code to an alternative code for the same amino acid.
•   Lethal mutations- Mutations which kill the organism
•   Loss of function Mutations- Mutations which impair the function or stop the gene working entirely. This is often a recessive gene as a result.
•   Gain of function- change in the structure so that it gains new abnormal function. Usually a dominant mutation.
•   Back mutation- a mutation which undoes another mutation

Types of Mutations by inheritance-
•   Somatic mutations- Non Inheritable mutations
•   Germ line Mutation- mutations which may be passed on to the next generation.

Causes of Mutations
•   Spontaneous Mutations- mutations without a cause, usually a mistake in translation.
•   Induced mutation- mutations caused by a mutagenic agent such as radiation and certain chemical substances.

Evidence for evolution:
•   Comparative Genomics- The similarities in genomes suggest a common ancestor, for example humans share 94% of our genome with chimpanzees. It is not simply sharing dna; its sharing the same retroviruses, chromosomal fusions, and even molecular biological relationships that represent occurences or changes in dna itself.  Virtually all of which just happens to occur along the same dna chains amongst countless thousands of places it could have appeared. Each one of these findings in themselves represent INDIVIDUAL points of comparative data, they are separately arrived volumes of data that when compared with each other, overlap and match. Chromosomes, Dna, Retroviruses, Mitochondrial dna, molecular biology, fossil record ,  all form a web of information that simply doesn't contradict itself. (Odin)

•   "The simplest and most powerful evidence is provided by phylogenetic reconstruction. Such reconstructions, especially when done using slowly-evolving protein sequences, are often quite robust and can be used to reconstruct a great deal of the evolutionary history of modern organisms.This evidence does not support the rival hypothesis that genetic similarity of two species is the product of common functional or structural requirements, and not common descent (for example, if there is one best way to produce a hoof, all hoofed creatures will share a genetic basis even if they are not related). However, phylogenetic relationships also extend to a wide variety of nonfunctional sequence elements, including repeats, transposons, pseudogenes, and mutations in protein-coding sequences that do not result in changes in amino-acid sequence. While a minority of these elements might later be found to harbor function, in aggregate they demonstrate that identity must be the product of common descent rather than common function." -Wikipedia.
•   The Fossil record- "It is possible to find out how a particular group of organisms evolved by arranging its fossil records in a chronological sequence. Such a sequence can be determined because fossils are mainly found in sedimentary rock. Sedimentary rock is formed by layers of silt or mud on top of each other; thus, the resulting rock contains a series of horizontal layers, or strata. Each layer contains fossils which are typical for a specific time period during which they were made. The lowest strata contain the oldest rock and the earliest fossils, while the highest strata contain the youngest rock and more recent fossils."- Wikipedia A great example of the fossil record is the horse which has an almost complete fossil record

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Horseevolution.png

•   Comparative anatomy- Similar bone structure can be used to show the divergent evolutionary paths

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Evolution_pl.png

•   Vestigial organs and structures- Many species have a vestigial structures such as the human appendix and tail bone which indicate that a common ancestor made use of these structures
•   Antibiotic and pesticide resistance- This is evidence of natural selection taking place, and it is an undeniable fact. Currently bacteria are becoming more and more resistant to antibiotics such as penicillin. A perfect example of this is golden staph where there have been reported cases of golden staph which is resistant to even the most potent antibiotics.
•   Observed speciation- Speciation has been observed on a significant number of occasions which may be found here under section 5.1
•   Hybrids- Hybrids such as ligers and mules provides evidence of a common ancestor between two species.

Acceptance of evolution in the scientific community

In 2007 the Discovery Institute (the main "scientific body against evolution) claimed that 700 scientists had expressed support for intelligent design, although this may sound like a large number this actually means that roughly 99% of scientists support evolution. "And of the 700 'scientists' who have signed the Discovery Institute's letter, a vanishingly small number are biologists---most of them are physicists, engineers, computer scientists and the like. " Spetznatz.

"Additionally, the scientific community considers intelligent design, a neo-creationist offshoot, to be unscientific, pseudo-science,or junk science.The U.S. National Academy of Sciences has stated that intelligent design "and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life" are not science because they cannot be tested by experiment, do not generate any predictions, and propose no new hypotheses of their own."- Wikipedia.

This is the most detailed attempt any body has ever done to explain what evolution is to me,for now. So I am closely examining it to see where its assertions lead to.

alphamode:
After five yrs of personal research and ponderin through my observations i came 2 d conclusion that all religions are purely 4 deception, i am nt an advocate of religion because it has brought DIVISION, ENEMITY and WAR to humanity, hv u thought abt hw many children that died in Gaza while we were wit our respective families enjoyin christmas, nw tak ur imagination so wide 2 visualize a world without religion, If ther is only 1 GOD and only 1 SUN gives light 2 d whole world, why would there be many religions?  whic 1 is sayin d TRUTH? probably all of them are liars. I understood dis will reach 2 d anals of people's believes and faith, bt remember, we were just told stories and we believed without comprehending, shouldn't we comprehend d comprehensions? why did GOD gave us d ability 2 reason among all other animals? <===NONE BUT OUR SELVES CAN FREE OUR MINDS===>BOB MARLEY

men created all the gods in their own image and all religions were created out of the fear of the many and the cleverness of a few . . . . . . if we later discover that intelligent life exist somewhere else in our universe, did jesus die for those peoples sins too? did allah send mohammed as his last messenger to them too? i hope that life will be discovered elsewhere in our universe during my lifetime. . . . , If it happens, i predict it will shatter religious that are taught all over the world. there also is a very good chance that if life is found somewhere else, the major governments will try to cover it up for that very reason. religious people may go totally nuts and begin to kill and destroy things all over the place.

No2Atheism:
mazaje mazaje haba it does not profit you anything to be sly, mischevious and downright devious. Take your time and put away your pride enough to notice that after you asked me to prove my statement that Paul was a black man (by virtue of being called an Egyptian during his him thousand of years ago), that:


I never said Paul was an Egyptian.

I said the Romans were the ones who called Him an Egyptian

Hence it is clear to anyone who understands the use of english, that it means that Paul was mistaken for an Egyptian by the romans

Hence it is also clear to anyone who understands the use of english that it means that Paul looked like a typical Egyptian of his time and age, thousands of years ago during the time of the Romans (i.e. it is clear to see that Paul was mistaken for a black man)


@mazaje you are starting to disappoint me ( you should be above this kind of silly/childish word play), does it mean that you are willing to stoop low to a level of misrepresenting a very clear statement just to try and prove that you were right or try to cover up your own mistake of insinuating that i was initially wrong when infact i was actually correct with evidence.

You asked for a bible reference to back up my statement (about Paul being a black skinned man), i gave you a bible reference to back up my statement, yet you go on about saying something completely irrelevant and out of context.

For your information, Paul himself replied to the mistake made by the Romans by identifying himself as a Jew of Tarsus:

RNKJV

Acts 21:37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?  

Acts 21:38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?  

Acts 21:39 But[b] Paul said[/b], I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

@mazaje, I must confess that i completely lost respect for you, as this your singular act of trying to play on words and wrongly/falsely insinuate that i said or implied something (which i clearly did not) shows that you are obviously not someone that can be trusted to engage in a truthful intellectual discussion.

I am sorry to say, but it seems KAG is a more honourable atheist compared to you, at least KAG tends to publicly admit when he is wrong about something. You on the other hand just displayed a characteristics of being dishonourable enough to deceptively dodge having to accept and admit that something is actually true by twisting and misrepresenting what was actually said.

It really very sad, that people on NL would stoop this low.

very sorry pls. . . i initially did not understand the point you were trying to make now i do. . .

No2Atheism:
@mazaje

Here you have a Roman person addressing Paul ( it is easy to see that Paul was mistaken for an Egyptian despite that he is clearly not an Egyptian).

RNKJV
‪Acts 21:38
Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?


So @mazaje now you have heard about it.

i thought you clearly said that paul was[b] mistaken for an Egyptian despite that he is clearly not an Egyptian[/b]? No2Atheism  na wah ohhh. . . . .  .

No2Atheism:
Yes i did and i still stand by it, because they are biblical references to back it up.

Romans were white, yet they identified Paul as an Egyptian (off which we understand at that time that Egypt was still basically a black man's nation as it is yet to be invaded by the Arabs).

can you pls provide the bible references. . . . egyptian?. . . . i have never heard that one before.

@ No2Atheism

I thought you once said that paul was a black person?. . . . .

bindex:
But he showed himself to the uninterested according to the bible so many times, he went ahead with his mighty sword of slaughter against the enemies of his people. He even made the stars in the sky to fight along side his chosen men in battles. I wonder why he can't do these things any more. When men were primitive god was all over them addressing them through public speeches as it is written in some parts of the bible, but since when men became advanced and more knowledgeable god ran away.


Reality is the ability of your god to make the stars in the sky to fight along side his chosen men . Sweet reality.

Kai Shegen kaya. . . . .

davidylan:
I dont waste my time indulging in the "prove to me" game you idiots love to spend your time on. I believe that what primarily motivates a lot of you here is NOT the desire to "prove us wrong" but the fear, the insecurity and the dread that shld you die you may have made the worst mistakes of your life and doomed your souls to a wretched eternity.

Your consciences tell you that there is something beyond that your eye can see, but your heart scoffs. You dont know how the earth was formed, but you believe the bible is only a myth . . . how then did the earth appear? What gave you fool a life, a soul , a body, a mind? Where do you go when you die? Dust?

You have no clue to what is on the other side of mortality, but you pretend to laugh it off by calling on Jonah each time. If indeed you believed Christ never lived this section would be one you'd avoid. But you cant, you build a temple here seeking "proof" to assuage your own guilt and fear.

the bible may be full of crap, but i love it all the same . . . it gives me hope for tomorrow and the life hereafter, it is not meant to make sense to folks like you . . . who think they are wise in their own conceit but are indeed empty blowhards . . . drowning in their faithless destruction.

Its one thing to be an atheist, its another to be an "intelligent" atheist. You are neither of the two. You're just another in the long line of cowards who come here using science as a cloak for your own restless souls.

don't we all love it when the deluded descendants of abraham loose it and begin to throw some tantrums? i do not have to know how the earth was formed to know that the bible has no explanation as to how the earth was formed, i do not have to know where u are at the moment but i know that you are definitely not in my house. . . . so because we are alive then your imaginary god must be the one that gave humans life. if i ask you to provide evidence to show how your yahweh did it you will begin another marathon of meaningless tantrums .  . . . . .we are not afraid of yahweh and what will happen to us after death because we KNOW that the bible and all the brouhaha of its life after death are all lies invented by humans to keep each other in line. i am not afraid of yahweh and anything that will happen to me when i die. i can even prove that to you.

Bleep YAHWEH, Bleep JESUS AND Bleep ALL THE GODS IN THE BIBLE. I am not afraid of those imaginary deities and i also KNOW that do not interfere with the world as it is in any way.  . ,  . they exist only in your deluded imaginations. what clue do you have on what exist on the other side of morality? what hope of tomorrow does the bible give you? what evidence do you have to show that human consciousness survives bodily death? deluded goons. . . . . .  i have seen that you also try to use history and science to disprove islam don't you? why do you cringe and feel bad when the same history and science is used to discredit most of the assertions of the bible?. . . . . . .we have NO guilt and fear what so ever, we only come here to show you that you have no better arguments than us whom your bible calls us fools for disbelieving its nonsensical assertions that have been discredited so many times and can not be supported in any way. . . . . .so atheist are drowning in their faithless destruction eh? . i believe you already know what faith means.  . . . . i will leave you to keep wallowing in your faithful delusion. deluded goon. be afraid be very afraid hell awaits you all for not believing in jesus  idiots. . . . . .

Atheist are Evil be very afraid of them . There is more than enough evidence to show that that atheism = less crime. The Atheist Countries(Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Estonia,Czech, Norway) have the lowest crimes per capita in the world. Netherlands runs out of criminals, has to shut prisons

[quote author=C-NOETIC link=topic=277492.msg3941244#msg3941244 date=1243528965]isnt it obvious. . . . . .were u not a participant at arriving at this conclusion? [/quote]thou discredited lair. . . . how many time will you be caught lying all over nairaland? you began by asserting something i asked you how and you reply with a non answer. . . . .

[quote author=C-NOETIC link=topic=277492.msg3941021#msg3941021 date=1243526733]and nearly all these threads have established the very existence of GOD.[/quote]how?

What we know is science but what we don't know we call god.

[quote author=C-NOETIC link=topic=277212.msg3941054#msg3941054 date=1243527067]why are u trying to seperate God from science? When u advocate a seperation, u are proclaiming another religion called . . . . .

science is simply the evidence of man's evolving knowledge which is never in contrast with the will and word of GOD. You cannot pin ur disbelief in God on science. Science cannot establish the non-existence of GOD.[/quote]what is the will and word of your god? does your god know any science? why then did he tell his people to chose to write his book that the sun moves from place to place and that evil spirit causes diseses. does your god know the science behind the formation of the rainbow? does your god know the science behind genetics? he surely doesn't because if he does he wouldn't inspire his men to write about the ridiculous genetic engeneering that is found in the book of genesis. does your god know anything about cosmology? if he does he wouldn't say that stars will fall from the sky on the day that jesus will return to the earth.

OLAADEGBU:
Check your heart and listen to the word of God below.

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy. -- Proverbs 29:1

are these also the lalala tales of your god?. . . . . .

The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth. Proverbs 10:30 (how true is this make believe feel good drivel?)

The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.Proverbs 18:10 (again how true is this make believe drivel?)

Proverbs 28:25
He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat(what is this make belieeve wishful and feel good lalala tales)?

you refused to answer toneyb's simple questions. . . . . .

toneyb:
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe."

--Carl Sagan

i really like this. . . .the christian "beliefs" is based purely on faith. faith is void of truth unless that truth is solely for that person and what they believe. . . . . . . an atheist needs proof or sufficient evidence that aligns with reality, and not fantasy. faith equates to fantasy.

davidylan:
I read through your write-up thoroughly Bindex, that was why i came to my own conclusion. I stand by my point - if you thought the heart-felt faith experience was a farce it was simply because you never truly experienced it. You simply played the typical nigerian christian game of make-believe. I see many "christians" today quote the bible endlessly, are pretty quick to come up with "name it and claim it" quotes, pray endlessly (always for material blessings) but deep down they do not have a deep connection with the Father.

how do you know this? the other time you once labelled wirinet's relatives as "not truly saved" without ever knowing any one of them, now you are falsely asserting that my man bindex was never really a christian. What connection do you have with the father that other christians do not? davidylan is the only guy that knows christianity and is connected with the father eh? deluded goon

the Christian walk is not about you, it is all about Christ. It is not about your feelings, it is about His command and His will. I am not perfect, there have been times i was tempted to take a step back and live like every other normal atheist but having tasted what it truly means to love God selflessly, to be able to talk to Him and listen to Him talk back, to be able to take silly problems to Him to solve and be amazed when He responds . . . i dont need to be told this isnt make-believe.

did jesus tell you this himself or did you read it from somewhere? . what silly problems have you ever taken to your imaginary god and he helped you solve care to tell us about it? . If you have a problem do you just sit back and wait for your imaginary god to come help you or do you actually go about trying to solve it? the whole christian charade is a farce and a ridiculous make believe. i have said it so many times the facts are all against your make believe tales are assertions that have no evidence what so ever. if only prayers truly works we won't be here having this conversation

It may be a farce to you . . . you are surely entitled to your opinion

it is a farce and a delusion that keeps goons like you in check. . . . .

Myths are not written to make any sense.