₦airaland Forum

Deep Sight:
Thanks Mazaje. To clarify, as i said above, i am not christian. Or muslim.

sorry. . i thought you were a christian. . .

Nevertheless evidence of God's existence is all around us.

it depends on what exactly you mean by god. . . .if by god you mean the natural laws of the universe like gravity then sure. . but if by god you mean all the gods of man made religions then i know for sure that non of them exist. . . . .

But we will pursue the logical path to understanding it. Since i see the Atheists only respond to empirical reasoning. We've got it in abundance. @ Posokasa: Wait and see.

Now we are on the same page, we all agree that 0 + 0 = 0.

Therefore, no amalgamation or configuration of any amount of nothings ("0" can ever produce a something ("1". Agreed?

This is true for the human society and the planet in which we live in but that can not be said to be true for the universe or things that exist outside our planet because we don't know for now. . . . . . . .

I am an atheist and I know that 0 + 0 = 0 so what next do you have to say?. . . .I am really interested in your empirical reasoning for the existence of your god(christian god). . .i have never heard that kind of argument before because most christians i know accept the existence of the christian god based purely on faith and not on some empirical grounds. . . . .if you have empirical reasoning and arguments pls bring it on. . . .

What has he done that is different from what paul and the other writers of the bible have done in the past? According to some of them their god appeared to them, took them to the sky( in some instance) and told them to write things about him and how he wants people to live their livess. . . . .there is nothing he is doing that others have not done. . . . .

toneyb:
Nigerians and black Africans in general are incredibly inferior minded when compared to the white people, Its very obvious. Many are still living in the dark ages, most are happy living in slums and believing in meaningless superstition that has never and will never help them at all. Africans have made Africa a dark continent. The people are so simple minded and just too ignorant. Africans should learn about the renaissance If they do they will realize they are in the dark ages. As Bindex has said its crazy what is going on in Nigeria people can not even uphold and enforce basic laws that will help them better themselves as human beings, its so so sad.

Very true words. . . . . .

[quote author=bobby.L link=topic=312423.msg4402760#msg4402760 date=1250968856]@ Davidylan & co
       I know u have your doubts, but how then do we justify the miracles and wonders wrought at his programmes[/quote]What "Miracles" are you talking about? The lie that a blind woman regained her sight? Ohh Please. . . . .If he has the power to perform magic like he always claims you think he will have to spend money to take his wife to recieve medical treatment in a hospital abroad for her own sickness?. . . . There are NO miricales that take place in his programmes the miracles you hear about are made up lies. . . . . nothing new there. . .I dare any one to provide just one instance that has been properly investigated and substaniated where a blind person regained his sight in any of his programmes. . . . .its all lies. . . . .

Chrisbenogor:
Powerful enough to hold your imagination ransom

Chris how body? Hope you are good. . . . .

So they have strated using stop watches in imginary places eh?. . . . . interesting. . . .

vikiviko:
The devil is a liar.

The people that always invoke the imaginary entity as the reason behind their greed, incompetence, stupidity, foolishness and outright evil are the ones that are the liars. . . . . . the devil who is non existent caresless if people call him a liar or not because he does not exist. . . . . .

skydancer:
I never knew this wicked side of the devil before - blinding even those his demons reside in.

Another ridiculous drivel. . . have you ever seen any demon or has the lie that have been telling you since childhood now become part of your truth? Who was it that said a lie spoken about so many time eventually becomes the truth?. . . . . .

Well if you don't know the devil, a repented occult grandmaster will tell you more. I just hope the devil left you your senses man. Just know this: 'All men are right when they talk from their knowledge'. If you want to truly discover the truth, you must reakky be enthusiastic enough to go and find out for yourself. The scales cannot fall of from your eye from a forum that no one knows even who you are. A man wearing blue glasses sees the world as blue. And he is right to say the world is blue until another gives him a green one. Remove your glasses boy

I laugh with after reading this ridiculous and mythical nonsense. . . . . . The devil exist only in your imaginations. . . . . .

skydancer:
Sometimes I laugh to myself when people say things like: Whenever the devil hears my voice, he starts to run. The devil cannot come close to me and crazy stuff like that. The Bible has it that after the Child was born, the dragon used his tail to shatter one-third of the stars(which must be somewhere very far from our galaxy). I know how big a star is. Our saviour is that God has probably put leash rules on the devil. If one can destroy millions of stars with just a tail, what will the whole earth be to it? But that's not the point. We are wonderful creations valued by both God and the devil. Though the devil is no match for God. He is probably playing a fair game allowing him to excercise his power on us. In the end of course He wins. And Satan and all his followers will be doomed. Bur believe me, if God ever turns His love away from any person on earth. That person is doomed forever. Satan will tear you to pieces and make you one of his generals.

What exactly is this nonsense above? Who and what exactly is satan or the devil? Christians like talking about their god being invisible because he wants people to believe in him out of their free will. . . lets assume this is true then what about the devil? why is he invisible? is it because people are to believe in him out of their free will too?. . . Instead of man blaming himself for his failures and short comings the average human being will never do that, he will instead prefer to blame others up to the extent of creating imaginating beings like the devil, demons, witches etc and making them responsible for his incompetence, foolishness and stupidity. . . . . . what exactly is the devil and where does he reside. . . let me know if you have the answer so that I can pay him a visit. . . . .

Abuzola:
You are absolutely right ! Year 3,000 will be worst of all time, naked will be the show. Women this days lack shame and for sure it will grow up to
aggravation

So its men(Islamic) these days that have same eh?

@ OP a blind person was healed yet the same pastor took his wife to a very good hospital outside Nigeria when she fell sick with stroke eh? Why didnt he also pray to jesus to heal his wife? Why do you guys love believing in ridiculous and seneless lies?

perewesley:
tudor------------shame on you, u attended covenant university and u have the effrontery to talk about God's servant the bishop like that---
i attended covenant too and i'm an eagle,,,tudor u are just a big bat!!!!! or yeah---vulture---
the bishop showed u love when you were at cu
now how do u repay him-----[b]voice scandalous words against Gods anointed----tidor be careful oh --u are walking on a very tin thread
remember those kids that laughed at Gods servant elijah,,,,the man of God called out bears that ate them up[/b]HE THAT HAS EYES LET HIM HEAR
ALL U NAIRALANDERS SPEAK WITH CAUTION WHEN U TALK ABOUT MY PAPA BISHOP DAVID OYEDEPO

Yet you people go around shouting that your god is a good, loving and merciful god but still turn around saying that he sent bears to tear up kids to death just for being kids. . . . why do you guys allow ridiculous fear to rule over your lives? . Why are people too fearful of lies and myths?

Bobbyaf:
Good topic poster.

God is a God of order, and everywhere shows it. Indeed only fools who don't know God will argue otherwise. Their doom is certain and imminent.

Delusion at its finest . . . . .What order does every where show? .

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=310250.msg4357877#msg4357877 date=1250363577]Same old crap.
Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Satan, Ifa, Sango, Amadioha e.t.c all claim to have created the world and present nature as evidence. . . . .which of you confused lot are we supposed to believe? [/quote]Scientist have provided their own explanations for the existence of the universe and the earth and non of it requires any god at all. . . . by the way scientist have searched all over the planet but have not seen the name of any god written any where. . . . . .

It's really crazy whats going on in Nigeria, but its the whole black race that is in trouble. . . . . what is really wrong with the black man? Why can't we build functioning and civilized nations all over the Afican continent?. . . . . . . .Why can't Nigerians value the human life? What is really wrong with us all?

Pastor AIO:
It is not so much that it happens that surprises me, but rather that it happens on such a widespread scale. Pretense? The whole nation is caught up in this pretense. It's like some kind of mass hysteria. And it's got the whole of Africa by the cojones.

Is it really fear of embarrassment, fear of being different that causes this debacle?

I don't know what fear of embarassment has to do with all this but the mass hysteria is really crazy.

Na tongues be this?

Sure. . . . mother's tongue. . . . .

Kai shegen kaya . Kai da za ka je yan boko haram su yan yan ka ka. . . . .ka tashi kana zuwa chochi ko? . . . . . . .

noetic2:
same old

noetic2:
did u read the OP at all? must u always embarrass urself?

Bla bla bla bla sheep have you any wool?

huxley:
What substantive difference would we experience in the world if God disappeared? Or how would the world have been if there were no God?

Was there ever a god in the first place? . There first has to be a god before he/she can disappear. . . .

C2H5OH:
atheists already have a hard enough time convincing themselves that there is no God.

Actually we don't need to "convince" our selves that there is a god because you guys do not even have a coherent and universally acceptable definition of what god is. . . . . .what really do you mean by god?

All these philosophical arguments for the existence of god. . . .is it the same god that was all over the ancient and primitive jews leading them in battles with his mighty sword of slaughter?. . . is it the same god that was said to be addressing them through public speech? Is it the same god that was said to be sending down food from heaven for them to eat? Is it the same god that was said to be dividing the red sea for his chosen men to cross? is it the same god that walked on water? Stopped th earth from rotation so that his chosen men can kill off their enemies? is it the same god that made the stars in the sky to fight against humans?. . . . . .Why did the same god suddenly run way and stopped doing any of these incredible things once men became more knowlegeble about how the forces of nature operate? . Where is yahweh hiding?

Another replication of the elijah test with the prophets of baal on mount carmel will shut all the atheist up forever. . .

All these cosmological arguments are all moot because they only present an argument for a first cause for the existence of universe not for the existence of yahweh the warrior and tribal god of the ancient jews or jesus the god of the new testament. . . . .

Pastor AIO:
How is Free will to be reconciled with the Omnipotence of God?

If God is omnipotent then nothing can thwart his will. Every thing that happens is according to his Will. Can there be any other Wills where there is an omnipotent Will?

It depends on who you ask. . . .Lairs like davidylan who always seem to know what their god is thinking(since he exist only in their deluded imaginations) will tell you otherwise. . . .

Its always good to hussle. . . . hussle on daddy adeboye. . . . nothing do you. . . .

bawomolo:
noetic - do you think jews worship God?

Nice question bowolowo. . . you don't expect them to answer that question do you?

Oya neotic since you always know what your god thinks and you are constantly in the business of speaking for him i want you to answer the question. . . Do present day jews worship god?

noetic2:
a. what are lies?

Most of what you have been writing on nairaland could be described as LIES. . . . . .

b. how do u detect a lie? what constitutes a lie?

When people read your post the see all the lies that lies therein. . . .

c. whats the link between the bible and lies?

Here are about two amongst the many manylies that are inside the bible. . . . . The bible tells lies when it says that adam is the first man to be created. . . and that some day the stars from the sky will fall into the earth. . . . .

So u agree that we were born and did not Evolve.

When did i ever say that i believe in evolution?

a. How exactly did the pioneer parents come into existence?

I don't know and neither you or the lying writers of the bible who said that the sun moves around the earth. . . .

a.what are these postulations? why EXACTLY do u disbelieve any of them?

Why should i believe what bronze aged people write without any evidence at all? As Tudor has said faith without evidence is very irrelevant. . . why believe in the lies of other men just because they say that you need to believe in them?

b. what is ur evidence/ basis for disbelieving the biblical account of the universe?

The universe as it it says that the bible god did has nothing to do with its creation. . . . the universe as it it makes the bible god look to small and insignificant. . . .Unless of you believe things without evidence at all. . . . .

c. Dont u consider it ridiculously that u have no idea about how the universe came into existence?

Do the lying writers of genesis have any idea how the universe came into existence?

noetic2:
b. If the bible is the work of deluded and barbaric men. . . .what EXACTLY is the alternative?

The bible is exactly what it is the writings, ideas, fantasies thoughts and wishes of ancient men.  . . . .All I know about the bible is backed up by actual facts, not some subjective claim of magic. . . . .   The bible is like any book other book the only differennce is that it contains the word god as its central figure. The book indeed can be interpreted any way one sees fit if you can claim a magical way.

If the bible is from some omnipotent being then there is no reason it shouldn’t be able to make a book good for all generations to adhere to without the god having to change himself as the reasoning and life style of the people changes. . . . .   What we have is a in the bible is a book which is mostly  a compilation of stories by xenophobic, war mongers and agrarians, and then later by more cosmopolitan people but  still by people all around all using words that mean certain things that people now insist aren’t what god “really meant” and people who cherry pick whatever they want to believe in and discard what they don't want to believe in.

The bible is a book about a central figure called god which can be used or interpreted purely based on the personal interpretation of the reader and the image of the god he/she has in her mind. . . Most Christians claims the "holy spirit" tells them what  the god of the bible "really meant" but the problem is they each have different answers. Same with everyone else and there is no way to tell who has the right message since the god they are always talking about and speaking on his belahf doesnt' ever seem interested in telling everyone who is right and who is wrong, only each person claiming that they and only they have it right. Most dont even agree on the basic nature of the god they are talking about and they all use the bible.

So the bible is just a collection of stories about life from a very skwed perspective written by people, complied by people and used by people to present a case for their personal god based on their personal interpretation of the bible and what they feels it says. . . . .The bible is just a book written by humans who want people to believe their opinions about life and who also want people to live their lives based on their own opinion and the opinions of people that lived before them but using a god figure to put every body that agrees with their personal opinion in line. . . .

noetic2:
What EXACTLY is the alternative?

Lies do not need an alternative. . . . 

how EXACTLY did we all come into existence?

We were all born by our parents through one way or the other. . . . The question you should provide answers for is how your own god came about. . . . who created him? If you claim that your god is uncaused caused and uncreated then uncaused  and uncreated existence is very very possible. Then why can't the universe itself be uncaused and uncreated? There's no reason to add the additional step of postulating a god as the source of the origin of the universe because some people said so without providing ANY evidence for such a god in the first place.

how was the universe designed? by who? when?

There is no reason to believe that the universe must behave like a human socity where everything "created" requires a creator. . .our solar system is just like a grain on sand on a beach when compared to the size of the universe. . . we know very lvery little about the universe as of now. . . .No body knows exactly how the universe came about. . . we have postulations from all sides but the truth is that NO one knows how the universe came about. . . . just because the lying bible writers said a warrior god that accepts human sacrifice created the universe out of nothing in seven days it does NOT make it true. . . .allah and all the other gods around also created the universe too. . . . .even if we assume that the universe had a first cause you haven't begun to show or provide any evidence at all to show that it is the "god of the bible" that is the first cause you simply asserted it. Moslems, hindus, african traditional religion, buddist etc all make the same assertion. . . .The question is Where is your evidence to show that the bible god actually created the universe? Pointing to the writings of men who thought and lied the stars will fall into the earth someday or men who lie that sun moves around the earth is no evidence at all

noetic2:
why am I debating with this blank head?

WHAT IS UR ALTERNATIVE TO CREATIONISM? WHAT IS UR ALTERNATIVE TO THE BIBLE?

Creationism is simply how bronze aged men thought the universe came about. . . . it is a lie. . . . the bible is simply the words, thoughts, fantasy, distorted history and wishes of men who all attributed it all to the god the created in their own image for the purpose of entertainment or sometimes to help them better understand the vagaries of life and also to help them control others around them.

why does this blank head have a problem answering this simple question? why is it so hard? is it because the folly of ur lack of intellect has been ridiculously revealed over time?

By who exactly?

You are a shameless liar. . . . is lying allowed in atheism. . . .u are ridiculously debauched.

Sorry the link you provided ACTUALLy shows that you are a liar. . . . . .

The following are deducible from the link provided, . . .and I have decided to copy it here for all to see as a summary of the link as against the impotent lies u have elected to tell here. . .what a shameless pig. . .

Let's summarize what we've learned about Jesus from this examination of ancient non-Christian sources. First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise. Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher. Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats. Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover. Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus' resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus. Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus' followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God!

My man toneyb has done a very good job addresing all the shameless and pathetic lies you have been bandying all over the place. . . . .

Here are the FACTS. . . .

1. Tacitus who was writting over 100 years after the alleged death of jesus was only writing about what christians have been saying for a very long time. . . .He concluded by saying that the whole story is a MISCHEVIOUS SUPERSTITION. I hope you understand what mischevious and superstition mean. . . . .It shows that he does NOT agree with the story all. . . as far as he knows its only a mischevious lie and superstition. . . . .

2. The alleged writing about jesus by josephus has been shown to be a fraud. . . . your link AGREES that it is a fraud but it only agrees that some parts of it like the resurrection of jesus after 3 days and some other parts were not written by josephus himself but a christian. . . .it says that some parts of it were written by josephus but some other parts were written by another christian. . . . . very few scholars hold this view majority of scholars including christians and non christian all believe that the enitire passage about jesus is a fruad.

3. Pliny the younger did not mentin the name of jesus. . . he was only talking about the life and beliefs of the early christians. . . He also wrote down his accounts about 150 years after the supposed death of jesus. . . .This is no different from someone writing about the early moslems about 150 yearsafter the death of mohammed. ,  it doesn't corroborate any of the things written about mohammed in the koran or the haddith. . . . . .

4. The talmud NEVER talked about the jesus of the bible. . . . . My man toneyb provided a link to the talmud it self and what it actually says. . . . i went through it and discovered that it talks about 3 different yeshu who all lived long before the jesus written about in the bible. . . .one of the yeshu's was hanged on the eve of pass over . . . his story is very different from the jesus of the bible because he was close to the government and his friend(Ulla) in government was trying to exonerate him. . . . . .He was hanged by the jewish court while jesus of the bible was crucified by the romans. . . . . he lived about 100 years before jesus of the bible. . . . The talmud did not say anything about the jesus of the bible. . . . .

I have repeatedly asked u. . , where EXACTLY did JEsus ask any one to kill in His name?

Where does atheism say that you should kill any body. . . . atheism is simply the disbelief in god/gods. . . . it doesnt say that you should be a murderer. . . . yahweh whom you also believe to be jesus commanded people in so many places in the bible to kill people in his name and sacricice some of them as burnt offering unto him. . . .

have u searched the book of jeremiah properly

sure and nothing like that exist therein.

psalm 16:10
because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.

I didn't see any 3 day prophecy there. . . . .If you look at the passage in context it does not say anything about jesus dying and resercting after 3 days as like paul claims. . . . .

Can u please present ur alternative to the bible and creationism? are u such an empty head?

I don't need to provide any alternative to lies. . . . . . .

davidylan:
Mazaje did not list "evidence", he simply listed a host of verses he didnt understand. I repeat . . . the bible is not a literary novel.

The lies this deluded goons keep telling themselves so that they can sleep at night . . . . . .This deluded goon believes that Johen survived inside a fish for 3 days, he also believes that the sun stood still for the chosen sons of yahewh to carry out their massacre. . . . he believes that jesus was raised from the dead. . . . .he believes all these things literary but refuses to believe other literal parts like. . . .

Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Rom 9:22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory.

Eph 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

2Ti 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began

Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Joh 6:65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." .

I do not believe in any of the mumbo jumbo written in the bible. Free will does not appear in the bible at all and your free will argument has been debunked by the bible itself. . . . Even jesus says that no one can come to him unless it is grated the person by his father he also said that "You did not choose me, I chose you." . . . . Paul in so many places talks about christians already been predestined by the bible god to be who they will be according to the will of the biblegod. . . . He says"even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love"

The book of revelation says that the biblegod has all reay predestined everything according to his will right from the so called beginning. . . .

Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. . . . . .

noetic2:
Why EXACTLY does this brainless RETARD have a problem with stating his alternative to creationism? why are u so mentally lazy. . .such that u cannot think for urself and present ur own ideas or at the very least intelligently defend the rubbish u copy-paste from google?
where is ur alternative to the writings of "deluded and barbaric" men?. . . . .

Bla bla bla sheep have you any wool? . You delusion and utmost stupidity is really pathetic. . . . .

what a blank head.

Repeat after me say My name is neotic and I am a deluded blank head. . . . .

Read Toneyb's last post . . . or better still start ur research from here: http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm

when u are through let me know. . . .The fact remains the same, . . .Jesus Lived, Died and Resurrected. Extra biblical historical records attest to this fact.

I read the link and all I saw from your link were
1. Tacitus said that the jesus story was the most mischievous superstition. . . .
2. Pliny the younger did NOT even mention jesus at all but only talked about the life of the early christians. . .
3. The writer of the link you provided said that the writings of josephus were altered by christians. . .he said that josephus did not write that jesus was christ and that he was raised after 3 days. . . The guy was sincere enough to make and acknowledge those points at least there by rendering all your deluded screams baseless by the way the link you provided only confirms that you are a deluded fool and a lair. . . . .

I have addressed this repeatedly on several threads. The old testament commandments have been summarised and fulfilled by Christ Himself.
They all add up to Love.

Its been long since I laughed this hard. . . . eh? chie no be small thing ohh so killing entire towns and sacrificing them as burnt offering all add up to love eh? telling parents to stone to death their disobedient children all add up to love eh? Sexism, rape, murder, lying and theaft as commanded by yahweh and his prophets all add up to love eh. You are truly a very pathetic nut case. . .you need to have your head seriosuly checked this is the worst apologetics i have ever heard. . .

How does the above verse lend credence to ur point? I just dont get it. . . . or do u?

will u please shut ur shamelessly brainless mouth.

how many people did Jesus kill? how many people did he ask his disciples to kill? why did ur christian parents not kill u?
Stalin killed simply because he believed there is no God. . .he did not kill for political differences. . .he only hid under the cloud of politics. . .he was well reputed atheist fundamentalist, a cold blooded animalistic slowpoke like every potential atheist is. . . .

. Who the heck is stalin and in what way does he represent me or other atheist?. . . You started by saying that stalin killed so many people but when I showed you that your christian brothers killed far more people than stalin did while chanting the name of jesus and using the cross as a source of inspiration you came of with this pathetic line asking me how many people jesus killed. . . . Are you this pathetic? . . .were the crusaders, the commanders of the inquisition and witch trial all not carrying crosses and chanting the name of jesus while killing and plundering others? pathetic goon. . . .

This has been addressed already.

How has you deluded lies being addressed? adressed by who exactly?

a. Long before Jesus was born, all of His deeds was foretold.

For told by who exactly? Keep in mind that author of matthew who is a lair was caught shamelessly lying and twisting the jewish torah when writing down his lies. . .let me give you an example. . .

Matthew said that the purchase of the potter's field with the thirty pieces of silver that Judas cast back to the chief priests and elders fulfilled a prophecy made by Jeremiah: "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was priced, whom certain of the children of Israel did price; and they gave them for the potter's field as the Lord appointed me" (matthew27:9-10). The only problem is that Jeremiah never wrote anything remotely similar to this, so how could this be a fulfillment of "that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet"?

That the resurrection of Christ on the third day was prophesied in the scriptures was claimed also by the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4: "For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures." In two different places, then, New Testament writers claimed that the resurrection of the Messiah on the third day had been predicted in the scriptures. Try as they may, however, bibliolaters cannot produce an Old Testament passage that made this alleged third-day prediction. It simply doesn't exist.

b. When Jesus came. . .He made it clear that He is here to simply fulfil the things that had been said about Him in the prophecy.

Made up prohecies The jews who know the torah atleast do not buy this lie that the new testament writers wrote down up till date. . . . .judaism is still alive you know. . . .

From the two above I can deduce (because I have a brain. . . .unlike u) that when ever Jesus was praying it was in effect a teaching to believers on how to pray. One key lesson in His final prayer is that regardless of the circumstances we all should learn to submit to the father.
Jesus is God in human form. . . . u dont have to believe. . .but judgement is set.

When will you allow jesus to tell people that he is god in human form? I thought you keep crying that you are not defending your god or doing his work for him. . . will you keep quite and let jesus caome and tell people that he is god in human form. . . . the fact that you are doing this shows that he does not exist out side your deluded imaginations. . . .

blah blah blah

Ther are enormous historical and scientific records that establish that the red sea parted for the children of israel, that they were held captive and gained the promised land.

You presented your "ernourmous" historical evidence that shows that non biblical sources wrote that jesus lived, died and was raised from the dead but after reading them they link you provided and the "ernourmous" sources all show that you are a stupid and deluded lair that seriously needs help. . . . .

Hoe EXACTLY does mathew and mark not agree on the birth of Jesus?

The Gospel of Luke claims (2.1-2) that Jesus was born during a census that we know from the historian Josephus took place after Herod the Great died, and after his successor, Archelaus, was deposed. But Matthew claims (2.1-3) that Jesus was born when Herod the Great was still alive--possibly two years before he died (2:7-16). Other elements of their stories also contradict each other. Since Josephus precisely dates the census to 6 A.D. and Herod's death to 4 B.C., and the sequence is indisputable, Luke and Matthew contradict each other.

1. Ecc 1.5 is a proverb and not a prophetic revelation. any one with a common sense would treat it as such. . .why not read the entire chapter and find out.

You are a fool. . . . .

2. what is ur explanation for the absence of diseases during the reign of moses as leader of israel. . . .or the 10 plagues that befell Egypt?
This were supernatural acts. while it is impossible to verify how spirits cause diseases. . . .

Are you really serious?. . . .The mythical plauges exist only in the pages of the lying torah and NO where else. . . . This fools keeps pushing evidence into the realm of the impossible by saying that it is impossible to verify how evil spirits cause disaseses. . . .

we do know that diseases and all of evil that we face today are products of sin. . .there is no reason to believe other wise.

Malaria, ulcer, common cold, heat rash, cancer, river blindness etc are all products of sin eh. . . well done clap for yourself. . . . hopeless fool. . . .

you have said this over a billion times. . . .that u also choose to disregard the bible does not make u a better person or any less an hypocrite.
In fact reading ur posts reveals a completely delusive and slowpoke-like brainless atheistic troll. . .who has little or no reasoning faculty.
Do u actually read the rubbish u post here sometimes?

Bla bla bla sheep have you any wool?

whats this RETARD saying?

Showing your lies. . .you falsely claim that you never try to defend the bible but were quick to justify the babaric commandment that says parents should stone to death their disobedient children by stupidly and ridiculously equating disobedience to treason. . . what a pathetic slowpoke. . . .

Can u please produce ur alternative to creationism and the bible?

why is it taking u so long? . . . . .

The creation story in the koran is an alternative allah created the world. . . that you do not believe it does not mean its not true. . . . .