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[b]davidylan says:[/b]I just read thru Mazaje's lengthy piece of crap . . . mazaje do me a favour . . . you have 3 questions . . . break them down one by one (one post for each question) and i will respond to them ASAP.

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?" But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. "Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter, 'He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.' " Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.
– Mark 16:1-8

After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you. So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."

– Matthew 28:1-10

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' " Then they remembered his words.

– Luke 24:1-8

[b]Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!" So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen. Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) Then the disciples went back to their homes, but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot. They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?" "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.[/b]– John 20:1

what really happened at the tomb? why is john's account so way off the mark from that of the others?

noetic:
@ Mazaje
can u meaningfully list the parts of the "story" that do not add up. Please dont go to a website and then paste all the nonesense u find there.
read through it and come up with meaningful questions.

i already did.

u make me laugh with ur uninformed and illiterate postulations.

Anyway this was what someone had to say to an apologetic like u, for this baseless insinuation: I have no reason to add to it.

you copied and pasted the work of a drunkard that will rather tell a lie for jesus than accept what the writers of the gospel are saying eh? . The problem is that the guys shot himself in the leg so many time. . . . the apologist you copied and pasted from says jesus was on earth for 40 days butr luke 24:1-51 and mark 16:9-19 CLEARLY state that jesus ascended into heaven on the day of resurrection. while acts 1;2-3, 9 say forty days after resurrection. the apologist you cited says so many things that are not even in the bible. you did not even bother to read what he said. here is what your apologist wrote.

The last four verses of Luke 24 (vss. 50-53), however, took place (according to Luke) more than five weeks later

the problem is that there is no such thing written in the gospel of luke, no where did luke say that the events he was talking about from luke 24 vs 1:53 took place more thann five weeks later, it is very clear that everything took place on a single day. . . .

Luk 24: 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem [fn] until you are endued with power from on high."

Luk 24:50 And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them.

Luk 24:51 Now it came to pass, while He blessed them, that He was parted from them and carried up into heaven.

Luk 24:52 And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

Luk 24:53 and were continually in the temple praising and [fn] blessing God. Amen

where does it say that the events took place after 5 weeks in luke verse 50-53 according to your writers? no where is anything written from verse 1:53 that it took place after 5 weeks where did you lying apologist get that from?

here is what he wrote again.

Similarly, Jesus met with His disciples both in Jerusalem and in Galilee, but at different times. On the day of His resurrection, He met with all of the apostles (except Thomas) in Jerusalem just as both Luke and John recorded (Luke 24:33-43; John 20:19-25).

now let us see what luke has to say. . . .

Luk 24:33 So they rose up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together,
Luk 24:34 saying, "The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!"
Luk 24:35 And they told about the things that had happened on the road, and how He was known to them in the breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, "Peace to you."
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
Luk 24:40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. [fn]
Luk 24:41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, "Have you any food here?"
Luk 24:42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. [fn]
Luk 24:43 And He took [it] and ate in their presence.

where in the passage does luke say that he appeared to his disciples without thomas as your apologist wrote? luke says he appeared to the 11. your writer seems to be more confused than you. . . . you did not even bother to read what he wrote before posting it. . . .

Can u provide just 2 contradicting accounts of heaven.

read joyce mayers book about how she visited heaven and what she saw and bishop lance powel, or the other nigerian woman, the one that is responsible for the child witch saga in calabar and see how their account of events cancel each other out. they all do not seem to agree with the basic nature of heaven, compare what they have written about heaven to what is written in relevations and you will be laughing you head off. . . . . . .

why are u not discussing harry porter, since he is obviously fictional.
but since ur conscience keeps indicting u, u cant live with the reality of facing judgement.
so what if u die n find out Jesus is Lord? it will be 3 late

eternal judgement exist only in you deluded imaginations. . . . i have never seen you discussing snow white but i have seen you discuss islam, you conscience keeps indicting you because you know that islam is the true religion eh?

wow  long debate indeed. davidylan you senseless and shameless plagiarist.

Daviylan wrote: No contradiction there at all if you bothered to study further instead of running around like a headless chicken . . . the clear difference is that while Mark wrote in Jewish time, John wrote in Roman time. Now according to the Jews . . . the 3rd hour was a 3 hr time frame between 6-9am (our time) . . . however Romans counted time like we did so when John says "about the 6th hour) he literarily means . . . the 6th hour from 12 am . . . i.e about 6 am. About the exact same time period Mark also says Christ was crucified.

To make things clearer . . . look at something brother John writes here - John 4:52 Then enquired he of them the hour when he began to amend. And they said unto him, Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him. But there is NO 7th hour in Jewish time! There IS a 7th hour in Roman time! A clear indication John was counting his own time quite different from Mark's.

The problem is that you plagiarised all the things you wrote too, all what you wrote you copied VERBATIM from this website

http://www.workmenforchrist.org/Bible/BC_Jesus_Nets.html

but you have the guts to tell toneyb that he copies from other places?  you are a complete goon. . . . . . you copy apologies from other christian apologist websites and ridicule others when the copy from other websites too?  Idiot

@ toneyb

why did you allow them to push you to a corner? thats not how you debate he said that mark wrote in jewish time while john wrote his account using the in roman time, the question is who told him? how did he know? he brought the excuse of john refering to 7th hour but how does he know that mark was not writing according to roman times too? the thrid hour exist in the roman times too. leave all these deluded goons i will be back to shut them up

noetic:
@ mazaje
I wonder why u are so bothered about what happened to Jesus?

u are deeply worried and having sleepless nights about what awaits u in eternity, right?
that explains why u can post such a long sermon on a "fictional character". face ur fears.

you wish, i just find it ridiculous why people believe in a story that completely does not add up. . . even the writers of the gospel do not seem to know exactly what happened to the jesus the wrote about their stories completely cancel each other out, pls tell me where jesus first appeared to the 11 of his disciples after he was allegedly raised from the dead because the writers of the gospel do not know where that really happened. . .keep believing their lies. . .what is eternity? that only exist in your imagination. can't you see that even your fellow christians that claim to have been to the christian heaven and have written books about their "experiences" and what they "saw" clearly do not seem to agree on the nature of heaven and what each of them saw? their testimonies completely cancel each other out. . . .it only show that they have very good imaginations and fantasies. . . .jesus is a fictional character. . . keep believing the imaginations and fairy tales of ancient jews, greeks and romans. . . . . .

prayer can be used to account for literally anything in exactly the same way. . . .for example, a farmer who prays to the biblegod for rain to help his drought-stricken crops. suppose it then rains our happy farmer explains this as the act of god in response to a prayer. but suppose it doesn’t rain. the same farmer will explains this as god's having had other reasons for withholding rain. . . . . either way, the god hypothesis of answering prayers seems to do no real explanatory work. it can be used to account for literally anything in exactly the same way.

davidylan:
this is incredibly naive. Christians didnt fall from the sky . . . they were once sinners like you who later accepted the Lordship of Jesus Christ . . . shld we now ship ourselves off to Mars?

Sometimes i wonder if you people do really have a brain. The irony of it all is that Christ foresaw this kind of stupidity when He made this prayer - John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

The only way to "take us out of the world" would be to kill all of us and that is not the Father's will.

christians were once sinner like me eh? it seems you dont even know what you are talking about. . . . .another problem is that who was jesus praing to? i thought he was god himself? i thought that the biblegod once killed everybody in the world according to noah's flood? why didn't he send jesus to save the people living in the world at that time? why kill every living thing? innocent babies, animals etc? why not send jesus to come and save the world at that time? another of his incompetence at display eh? deluded goons. . . . .keep believing in fairy tales of jews and romans who would have killed you and your tribe if you were living any where near them when they were writing their fantasies and imaginations. . . .

people need to have more respect for the urine or sweat of jesus. . . . deluded freaks. . . .

davidylan:
That is precisely because christian living is about one thing - SEPARATION FROM THE WORLD! now your understanding of the word "separation" is what is at stake here . . . the same Christ that said "come out of her my people" is the very same one who says - "pursue peace with ALL MEN" (not just christian people but ALL men including atheists).

Pastor Adeboye is not advocating that we build christian-only restaurants, rent houses only to believers, speak only to believers e.t.c. Christianity is a calling out from the world into a life of righteousness in Christ . . . it is a separation from sin unto life, distancing oneself from anything or those that can make us compromise our calling. Does that mean we cannot be friends with sinners? NO! After all Judas Iscariot was a disciple for 3 solid yrs, no one kicked him out for being a greedy thief.

That is why the bible uses the term "yoke" and Adeboye talks of "partnering" . . . a deep relationship with an unbeliever with the potential to make you lose your faith is to be avoided! A casual friendship with an unbeliever based on proximity, family relationship, shared activities, hobbies . . . is more than ok and is not a problem!

By the way, i'm wondering why those who proclaim to be enemies of the cross are so worked-up about Adeboye asking christians to separate themselves from atheists . . . why does separation bother them since they do not care for God?

i wonder why the biblegod refused to create a seperate world for christians? since it is very clear that the bible god has chosen christians to be whom he wants them to be not of this world as it is written in the bible i wonder why he failed to create a different world for the christians, he left them to be corrupted by the people of this world that are "condemned" already . . . . or is this part of his usual incompetence? it is written in the bible that the biblegod has already chosen christians to be who he wants them to be according to his will if that is the case why are christians still living in this world? why not create a different world for them. what an incompetent deity you goons worship. . .

Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
Eph 1:5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Eph 1:6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Eph 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

the bible god should create a new world for the christains whom he has chosen according to his will since before creation according to the bible and leave us alone. . . pls pray to your imaginary god to create a new world for you guys. . . . we are tired of you guys saying that you are not of this world or you need to be separated from this world, if you guys are not of this world then what the heck are you goons doing inside this world ? deluded goons. . . . . keep living in the bubble. . . . .

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=260194.msg3727469#msg3727469 date=1239723849]Majaze get thine jaded, cynical ass outta here. You don't think there's God, fine. It's mass self-deception, fine. Leave it alone. Abi ki lo de?

The bicycle thing's, um,er,well, funny.[/quote]the bible says that unbelievers are condemned already, who then answer the prayers of the moslems, hindus and shirks? its very clear that it is not the biblegod because he says they are condemned already. . . . who then answers their prayers? moslems pray to allah and he answers their prayers just as much as jesus answers the prayers of christians. . . it is all in the mind. . .

davidylan:
you say God is not a factor of division . . . well i guess you really dont know God AT ALL. Open your bible and understand Him a bit more before saying nonsense.

the biblegod is one of the greatest proponent of division and sagregation, if you where alive during the old testament days your tribe would have been killed or enslaved and some of your female relative would have been sacrificed unto yahweh.

davidylan:
where did he use these words specifically or are you just spinning things as usual?

how can you see when you the two of you are living in a bubble of delusion. . . . .

Okemoni:
@ mazaje, I pray that you do not have to experience it ( the wrath), I still advise you to watch how you talk about God and his servants.

Zap all the gods their wrath exist only in your imaginations. . . . .

Okemoni:
The message is not meant to belittle or condemn anyone, its just saying that if you want have a fruitful walk with God.  its nt saying you shudnt talk to unbelievers, but your relationship with them has to be limited, as the bible says in 2Cor  6.14 do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. its just the same way we christians are advised to marry fellow christians. lets give an example hw wud you feel if your pastor was bestfriends with a drug dealer or a prostitute, am sure you would probably chastise and rebuke him, but that doesnt mean he cannot talk to the the prostitute or preach to her, so my people its more  abt your closeness to the unbeliever and the message is  nt saying you shud judge and say you are better than unbelievers .

Pastor adeboye clearly says that chrstians should not have anything to do with non christians there is no need spinning that.

and to the poster, pls I advise you nt to talk of men of God the way you have just done abt pastor Adeboye, its just nt advisable to do so, as you risk incuring the wrath of God.

This statement s one of the reasons why nigeria is still a backward nation, adeboye lied that he travelled for more than 300km on an empty tank but we have millions that still worship him. . .we are just to fearful. . . there is nothing like wrath of god it exist only in your imagnations. . . Zap all the gods(Jehova, allah, buddah etc) and their wrath.

jackdaniel:
noetic = psychotic + delusional, , guess this shows a sign of intelligence,

noetic is living in a bubble of delusion. . . . yet he is quick to proclaim that he more intelligent than others. . . .

huxley:
Let's examine these claims with some figures;

HIV/AIDS in Nigeria

135,031,164: population of Nigeria (2007 est.)

2,400,000: Estimated number of people living with HIV/AIDS by the end of 2007

3.1%: Estimated percentage of adults (ages 15-49) living with HIV/AIDS by the end of 2007

58%: Estimated percentage of HIV cases that occured among women (ages 15-49) by the end of 2007

220,000: Estimated number of children (ages 0-15) living with HIV/AIDS by the end of 2007

170,000: Estimated number of deaths due to AIDS during 2007

Source: UNAIDS


Basically, nearly two and a half million Nigerian living with HIV/AIDS in 2007. If we assume conservatively that 50% of these sufferers of HIV/AIDS are Christian, we have about 1,200,000 million people with the disease.

It is natural to expect that these suffferers of HIV/AIDS would turn to their faith/God/ and Jesus for help and relieve from the disease. If their God did indeed answer the prayers of these sufferers, you would expect a massive surge of reports of people being "cured" from HIV/AIDS in Nigeria. But is that what we hear? (Admittedly, these calculations are rough-and-ready)

pls leave the deluded goons to be leaving in lala land. . . .

davidylan:
mr. gerald . . . does your own demon called allah make any shred of sense too?

Is his quran simply a bunch of plagiarism and lies?

keep the mud flying. . . . .

davidylan:
in mazaje's compound

deluded goons. . . . . .

davidylan:
He resurrected not as a spirit but as a full human . . . which is why the stone needed to be moved. Obviously simple details escape the intelligence of the dumb.

By the way where is allah's injeel? Found it yet?

i wonder why an a god that can do all things need angels to move a stone for him to move out

by the way david where did jesus first appear to the 11 of his disciples? is it in a room in jerusalem or on a mountain in galilee?

babs787:
Do they need to roll away the stone for a dead body to resurrect? A dead body does not need anybody to move any stone for it to pass through because its already a spirit and can pass through a closed door without any man's assistance but in this very case,the angel or jesus' secret friends had to help him move the stone to be able to pass so that the alleged prophecy would b fulfilled but it was never as it turned out to be cruci-FICTION

i have never thought about it that way before, i doubt if the bible writers ever thought about it that way. . . . cruci-fiction indeed. . .hey but is mohammed not a fiction himself?

prayer, for the most part, is basically asking for help. plain and simple in some cases it basically showing appreciation for things you have acquired. the reason people pray (ask for help) in times of duress is the same reason why people ask for help any time they need it. whether it be a little duress, or a lot of duress, our instinct is to ask for help. we are social people. our brains learn early that when you ask for help, you generally get help, and when you don't ask for help, you generally don't get it. when your computer goes out, do you pray for it to be fixed or call the computer guy to fix it for you? when your car won't start, do you pray for it to start or call a mechanic to help you? if you did nothing but pray for your computer to work or your car to be fixed, they would never get fixed. when faced with a situation where you need help, but no other person on the planet can likely help you, you still have the instinct to ask for help, because you have learned throughout your life, that this is the appropriate thing to do when you need help. that instinct does not change simply because the situation is more pressing. your instinct to ask for help is still there. so what options does the brain have? none. your instinct is STILL to say, "help me, please." even though you KNOW there is nothing out there to help you. over the millenia, different cultures have named (personified) the invisible helpers. some used to say, "help me, zeus." some used to say, "help me, sango." while others will say "help me allah" the list goes on and on. you just say, "help me, god or jesus." and he helps you out just as much as sango, allah or zeus would. its all in the mind. . . . . .

Horus:
All their accounts completely cancel each other out for the simple reason that instead of a Crucifixion,it was a Cruci-FICTION.

Think about it; where is the tomb of this Jesus?
No DNA evidence.
No Bones
So Jesus went to heaven with his bones?

yeah elijah did the same, he ascended into heaven with his bones according to the bible only for jesus to come and say that the story is a lie because according to jesus no man has ever ascended into heaven. . . . .

Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13

whats the point of praying when it is written in the bible that the biblegod has predestined everything according to his will?

Praying is like a rocking chair - it will give you something to do, but it won't get you anywhere.
-Gypsy Rose Lee


Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way. So I stole one and asked him to forgive me.
-Emo Philips

Prayer, among sane people, has never superseded practical efforts to secure the desired end.
-George Santayana

The inventor of the plow did more good than the maker of the first rosary, because, say what you will, plowing is better than praying.
-Robert Ingersoll

The hands that help are better far than the lips that pray.
-Robert Ingersoll

Labor is the only prayer that nature answers; it is the only prayer that deserves an answer; good, honest, noble work.
-Robert Ingersoll

It may be that ministers really think that their prayers do good, and it may be that frogs imagine that their croaking brings spring.
-Robert Ingersoll

drered:
N ur point is?

my point has been stated in the first post, which is why is it that the gospel writers who were "eye witness" fail to agree on what really happened to jesus when he was crucified and when he was allegedly resurrected from the dead? all their accounts completely cancel each other out. . . .

Here are the VERY DIFFERENT accounts of event that happened when the women went to the tomb of jesus. . . .these accounts completely cancel each other out. . . .

According to Mark 16:1-8, Mary and Mary find that the tomb has been opened

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?" But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. "Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter, 'He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.' " Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.
– Mark 16:1-8

According to Matthew, an angel in shining garments is seen by Mary and Mary opening the tomb, and the angel tells them not to be afraid since Jesus is risen from the dead.

After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you. So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."

– Matthew 28:1-10

According to Luke, the women discover the tomb has been opened, and two men in shining garments come up to them and tell them not to be afraid since Jesus is risen.

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' " Then they remembered his words.

– Luke 24:1-8

Here is john's very very different account of events. . . .

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!" So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen. Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) Then the disciples went back to their homes, but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot. They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?" "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.

– John 20:1

Why the very very different and contradictory accounts that completely cancel each other out?. . . . . . .

today most of the christians all over the world are celebrating the ressurection of jesus all over the world. what really happened when jesus died and resurrected ? all we know about jesus we know from the writers of the gospels because no body else wrote any of thing about all of the "wonderful" things the writers of the gospels wrote about jesus the story of jesus is only found in the bible and books that were banned from the bible no outside source has written any thing about jesus aprat from those sources. the problems is that ALL the writers of the gospel do not agree on their stories about jesus in fact most of their accounts cancel each other out, if the writers of the bible can not get the basic stories of the christian faith right like what happened when jesus died, what happened when he was resurrected, what happened after he was resurrected, and where he ascended into "heaven", why should any body believe their stories? we are told that the people that wrote the gospels were eye witness to the event but why is their account of event so contradictory to the extent that they cancel each other out? lets look into the bible to see all the contradictory accounts that they have written, no eye witness to any event will right such contradictory accounts. here are just a few of the many stories that cancel each other out. . . .

what time was jesus really crucified? Mark said that jesus was crucified by the 3rd hour (9am in the morning) while john said that jesus was crucified after 12 pm. Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples?hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?". when was jesus really crucified? 9am or after 12pm?

what was jesus last word on the cross? because the writers of the bible do not agree as to what was the last thing jesus said on the cross. . . .

Matthew 27:46 and 50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" , Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

Luke 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

how many women came to the sepulcher?

John 20:1 Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene.

Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.

how many angels were there when the women went to the sepulcher? There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up according t Luke 24:4 but according to mark there was only one angel seen and he was sitting down. Mark 28:2-5.

where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? Luke 24:32-37 says that jesus first appeared to the 11 in a room in jerusalem while Matthew 28:15-17 says that jesus first appeared to the 11 of his disciples on a mountain in galilee (galilee and jerusalem are at least 100km apart). so where did jesus really appear to 11 of his disciples after he was resurrected?

where did jesus really ascend from? Acts 1:9-12 says that jesus ascended from mount olivet. but Luke 24:50-51 says that jesus ascended from bethany. again where did jesus ascended from?

why is it that even the writers of the gospel fail to get the basic stories of the death and resurrection of jesus right? their accounts completely cancel each other out.

mactao:
Matthew 17:21
But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.

Mark 11:26
But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your sins.

Acts 8:37
Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." The eunuch answered, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God."

Matthew 21:44
He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.

Matther 23:14
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Therefore you will be punished more severely.

You wrote Matther 17:21 twice.

All of the above scriptures were taken from the New International Version. Any other "allegedly missing" scriptures?

which NIV are you talking about?. . . . . here is a copy of the NIV mark 17:21 is not there, all the verses are not found in the NIV. . . .

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mar&c=11&v=1&t=NIV#top

noetic:
thou lying ignoramus. , , . . , u said it urself, they couldnt find it in "some". how many years was between KJV first translation and the NIV translation.
thou hypocrite. . . .

the early manuscripts existed hundreds of years before the KJV so what the heck are you talking about? i though you said that they could not translate it did you finally realize that you were lying?

noetic:
thou nefarious servant of the bloody allah. . . y are thou as ignorant as the blood thirsty servant of allah mohammed?

The authors of KJV were able to interpret the said verses based on the earlier transcripts they had, the other translators couldnt.
whats the big deal in this? how does this change the reality about the eternal truth the bible contains?

thou liar. . .as toneyb has said its always good lying for jesus eh? the footnotes of the NIV says that they did not include those verses because they were not found in some of the early manuscripts available not because they could not translate it thou lair. . . .that shows that the bible like every other work of man has been edited, interpolated, re-written and changed a lot of times. . . . . .

does any body remember new masquerades (zebodaya and gringori)

Maggi family menu. . . . . .

behind the clouds. . . . .

blurry 9pm transmition of the NTA network news. . . . . . . back in the days. . . .

Samanja. . . . .
atom ant. . . . .
talking parrot. . . . .
jagwa. . . . . . . . .

babs787:
@Noetic, Davidylan

What questions have you asked that answers have not been provided. Escapist. This is different thread and you should be bold enough to debate with me.

what do you want them to debate with you when the NIV has answered you already. . . . the verses are not found in quite a number of the original manuscripts available. . . .why couldn't the biblegod protect his " holy word" from copyist errors and mistakes. . . . deluded goons. . . .

babs787:
@Mazaje


Bring your fact and you see me discussing with you.

what facts do you want me to bring apart from the one i stated that most of the stories in the koran were plagiarized from the hebrew bible. . .

Who plagiarised it?

the people that wrote the koran long after the death of mohammed. . . .

What language was Tanakah written?

hebrew, it was not written in arabic do not be deceived. . . .

davidylan:
noetic, ignore mazaje . . . he is simply an unintelligent troll.

why wont you tell him to ignore me, when your own "word of god" is been exposed as word of men that do not even know what they are doing. . . .

babs787:
@Mazaje

You could create a thread and we discuss the alleged forgery, you and I.

i do not need to create a thread for that the koran was plagiarized from the tanakah and other books that were not included in the bible. . . . .as for the king james version, the kjv was poorly translated, it has words or mistranslations like lucifer, unicorn, etc that are only found in the king james version and not found or are corrected in other versions of the bible.