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davidylan:
that's because, like so many of you, you really cant think. Go back, read thru Mark's account . . . correlate that with John's then come back if you still have further problems.

Dont post general . . . senseless questions . . . be specific as to EXACTLY what problems you saw in both accounts.

As to time, it is very relevant to understanding the so-called differences. But i wont spoon feed you . . . go read and i promise i will be here to answer your valid queries.

were you not caught on the other thread chaning your statements and position like a headless chicken? you just plagiarized the unverified work of another apologist because you taught it made sense to you. . . how did you come to the conclusion that john and mark were talking about the same time? i showed you how the ancient romans calculated their time and you discarded it as the unverified work of another person even though the person's writing had nothing to do with religion. . .where is your own peer reviewed article that shows that 6th hour in the roman time is the same as 3rd hour in the jewish time? and what has time got to do with the question bomolowo is asking?

noetic:
@mazaje.

why did u completely avoid the questions I asked? was it because it revealed the extent of your insanity? or irrationality?
how can u discuss and debate what u dont know? what would u tell people discussing evolution, when they dont even have a clue as the definition of the concept of evolution, not to talk of its inherent divergent views? yea u are right, they would be called ILLITERATE IDIOTS.I hate to say it, but thats what u are. an ILLITERATE IDIOT, who is debating Jehovah God, but has no understanding of who HE is.

Who is Jehovah GOD? what is HIS ontology? until u answer this pertinent questions, u re just an attention seeking, deluded, goat-like, ignorant MALADROIT.

god and ask the jews, romans and greeks that question. . .why are you asking me? they created the deity you worship not me. . .you did not ask me any question all you did was spew ridiculous nonsense. . .

do u know the meaning of a covenant?
did GOD request his daughter from him? has HE ever requested and received such a sacrifice before and after Jephthah?

are you completely stupid? do you read your bible at all?  ok let me show you where your deity asked people to sacrifice humans unto him. .

At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice.  Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar!  This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David.  On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you."  (1 Kings 13:1-2)

[b]He [Josiah]  executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them.  [/b]Finally, he returned to Jerusalem.  King Josiah then issued this order to all the people: "You must celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant."  There had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of Israel and Judah.  This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah's reign.  Josiah also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout the land of Judah.  He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple.  Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses.  And there has never been a king like him since.  (2 Kings 23:20-25)

have you forgotten that the same god requested virgins to be given unto him? did he make a covenant with the virgins? if you read Numbers 31:18-40 you will see that your merciful and just god also ordered 32,000 female virgins to be taken as war plunder (half to go to the soldiers and half to the people) and 32 of them to be for himself .

your answers reflect ur unobjectivity, ignorance, perceivable FOOLISHNESS and delusion.
GOD NEVER requested such of him, he promised and so it was up to him to fulfil his promise. . . . . . .thou goat-like creature, now answer my questions.

bla bla bla. . shut up and be quite. . .

davidylan:
noetic are you shocked? Mazaje is fine with lies so long as they advance his own myopic opinions.

what are the lies? at least i have never been caught changing my positions like a headless chicken on a single issue like you. . .i aksed you a simple question on the other thread and you ran away like a headless chicken only to appear on another thread and say that i agreed with you that it was not rape, if it is not rape then what is it?. . . do you believe that it is justifiable or right for ancient men of yahweh to kill off married women because they enticed them and made them worship other gods? when your lies are exposed you come off with meaningless statements like mazaje is fine with lies. . . what are the lies? idiot. . .

bawomolo:
why is it in the Bible if it's irrelevant to Christians.  It's funny Christians still use OT passages on tattoos etc but ignore the laws they don't want to abide by.

don't mind them, the deluded goons are quick to quote passages in proverbs(old testament) which says that parents should not spare the rod and spoil their kids but they never quote deuteronomy 21:18-21(which is also in the old testament) that says that parents are to stone to death disobedient children. . . they are quick to quote psalm 23 but they never quote all the war cries of moses, joshua etc or the bible god himself when he goes around telling people to kill, rape, steal, lie and enslave their neighbours. they are quick to quote new testament verses that talks about husbands treating their wives equally but they fail to quote verses where the same god when placing monetary values on people said that men were far more valuable than women. . .

noetic:
I have no problem with your rantings that reflect ur lack of education, but what i do have a problem with is the  NEMEROUS LIES and FALSEHOOD u have developed the habit of spreading on this forum.

where in the bible were female beings or humans sacrificed to GOD?
you are pathetic LIAR.

I have told you several times that you are the most ridiculous and deluded goon on nairaland. . . do i always have to be the one to show you what is in your "holy" bible? you asked me on the other thread to show you where the biblegod confessed his evil deeds which i did. . now let me show you. . .take your bible open to the book of judges chapter 11, read from verse 29-40.

"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites.  And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph.  I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering." 

"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory.  He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites.  When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy.  When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish.  "My daughter!" he cried out.  "My heart is breaking!  What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back."  And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD.  You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin."  "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months.  She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children.  When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin.  So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter."

Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering to the biblegod because he believe that the bible god gave him victory in a misguided war. . .if you read Numbers 31:18-40 you will see that your merciful and just god also ordered 32,000 female virgins to be taken as war plunder (half to go to the soldiers and half to the people) and 32 of them to be for himself .

the rest of your entries are not even worth my time. . . deluded goat. . .

NaJa HaJe:
This is the New Testament . . . . . . . . . . .

Ephesians 5:2 and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.

Ephesians 5:28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself;


Ephesians 5:33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.


Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them.


1 Peter 3:7 You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.

How has this changed the fact that the same god gave out those stupid, nonsensical, idiotic and ridiculous laws? how has the verse you quoted nullified the fact that the biblegod told people to stone to death disobedient kids. . .how has the verses you quoted nullified the fact that the biblegod told people to cut of the hands of women that go to rescue their husbands from their assailants? how has the verses you posted nullified the fact that the biblegod even when placing monetary value on humans said that men were more valuable than women. . even the new testament says that the man is created in the image of god but the woman in the glory of the man. . .

1 Corinthians 11  But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.); That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels

the bible clearly says that the man is the image of god and the woman is the glory of the man(this shows that the man is more valuable than the woman according to the bible since the man is in the image of god while the woman is the glory of the man). . . . I did not want to enter into this conversation but when goons like osisi go around ridiculing islam when their own god is no better than allah and does not value men equally as women just like allah, i have to point it out. . .does she know that if she were alive during the old testament times her dirty hands will be cut off without mercy if she attempts to save her husband from his assailants? does she know that according to the bible her monetary value is far less than that of her husband? what a deluded goon she is. . . .

noetic:
it beats me how an irrational goon can delusively open his mouth and pass an opinion. especially when it is uninformed, illiterate and a reflection of his desperate attempt to cover for his lack of ideology or convictions.

i at least have my own ideas and i am able to think for my self, you on the other hand depend on the fantasies, imaginations and ideas of ancient jews, greeks and romans who believe that you intelligence is not even better than their dogs, these fantasies and imaginations were inculcated into your brain since childhood and it has now become "reality" to you . . .do you know that if your tribe was living anywhere close to the ancient jews during the time of moses of joshua your tribe will be killed or enslaved and your female relatives will be sacrificed as virgins unto yahweh. . .keep on believing the imaginations and fantasies of ancient jews, romans and greeks. . .

whats the basis of ur statement of calling God incompetent? i am assuming u used ur brain before u said that.

i read the bible and all i read about was an imaginary incompetent deity displaying his folly and utmost incompetence all the time. . .

who is to measure His competence?  you? did satan bite u?

who is satan? satan like you incompetent deity exist only in your deluded mind and imaginations. . .

I can say yaradua is incompetent based on the fact that i know him and can reflect on his policies. i also know his ontology.
since according to u God is "incompetent" u must surely know HIM. so who is Jehovah God and what is His ontology?

yar'adua despite all his incompetence is a better executive than the imaginary deity you read about in your bible. . . if you want to know about who jehovah is go asks the jews that created him in their own image. . . .they will give you a satisfactory answer. . .

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=264305.msg3780266#msg3780266 date=1240683381]The thread is about family
The Muslim family practice
so it belongs here.
I made a proclamation that Muslims hardly ever venture out of the Muslim section and that thread  got me a ban while I'm right.[/quote]Here is how the biblegod says parents should treat their kids. .

Deu21:18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,
Deu 21:19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.
Deu 21:20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard."
Deu 21:21 Then all the men of his town[b] shall stone him to death[/b]. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

Here we have the biblegod telling parents to stone to death disobedient children. . .

Here is how the bibegod says that women should be treated when their husbands are fighting with other men

Deu 25:11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts,
Deu 25:12  you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

We have the biblegod telling people to cut off the hands of women that come to rescue their husbands from his assailant. . .no punishment for the man that she touched only the woman. . .

Here is how to treat women that are menstruating according to the bible. . . 

Lev 15:19 'When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.
Lev 15:20 " 'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean.

The biblegod says that women that are menstruating should not be touched. . .

The biblegod places the monetary value of people and men are much more valuable than women. . . . .

Lev 27:2 The Lord said to Moses,
Lev 27:2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate persons to the Lord by giving equivalent values,
Lev 27:3 set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels [ of silver, according to the sanctuary shekel [fn];
Lev 27:4 and if it is a female, set her value at thirty shekels. [
Lev 27:5 If it is a person between the ages of five and twenty, set the value of a male at twenty shekels  and of a female at ten shekels.
Lev 27:6 If it is a person between one month and five years, set the value of a male at five shekels  of silver and that of a female at three shekels  of silver.
Lev 27:7 If it is a person sixty years old or more, set the value of a male at fifteen shekels and of a female at ten shekels.

do you guys still want to talk about allah and how he teaches his followers to beat up their wives?. . . .deluded goons. . . .

davidylan:
thou spawn of satan . . . we already discussed the issue at length on one of the religious boards and[b] even the atheists had to eventually agree that the passage you reference in Leviticus was NOT sanctioning rape.[/b] It simply gave the jews the choice to marry the virgin women they took during war BUT they had to let the woman alone to mourn her parents for 1 solid month.

If rape was sanctioned there why were they expressly forbidden to go into the woman until she was through with her mourning?

you tell LIES freely and you still open your dirty mouth and call others spawn of satan? , you had that discussion with me on the religious thread and i asked you if believe it was right to kill married women because they enticed the chosen men of your tribal god and you ran away like a chicken because you know that action could not be justified. . .if this is not rape then i admit i do not know what rape is. . .so you think it is OK for the ancient jews to invade a city unprovoked, kill off all the men and forcefully take the women. you believe that the women were fairly treated because the men that killed all their parents, brothers and sisters and forcefully took them as wives just because they allowed them to mourn their parents for a month? will you be happy if that is done to your sisters? and you are here trying to justify and rationalize this evil act? you are truly a demented puppy. . . 

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, [/b]livestock, and other plunder.  [b]You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

why is this not allowed in today's world? can the present day Israeli defence forces enter into gaza, kill all the men, take all the women and children and enjoy them as spoils of war? You guys are busy laughing at allah when your own god is on record advocating, rape, murder and slavery in the bible. . .deluded goons. . . What kind of nonsense god is this that advocates murder, rape, and slavery?

Badriyyah:
Avoid Scientology, they are a cult and just want your money.

every religion is a cult that just wants money. . . .

duduspace:
I'm good, still settling into my new surroundings but its all good sha.

nice to know i am all good over here too. . . .

noetic:
educating mazaje is like drawing water with a basket. u can draw water but the basket will never retain it.
it will forever continue to leak.

shut up and be quite. . . goons like you are not even educated talk less of trying to "educate" other. your incompetent deity said things and promised to do things that never happened deal with it and stop talking about "educating" others because you are the one that needs education. . . .deluded goon. . .

Badriyyah:
Lmao, The stories Nigerians come up with, They should become script writers, Some good horror and Sci-fi!!!

it will surely earn them some good pay. . . . .

OLAADEGBU:
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. -- Matthew 16:18

Let us consider the above verse and see how it throws more light on the heretical teachings that has sent many people to an godless eternity.

Matthew 16:18
Peter. The Lord is here making a play on words; in the Greek, “Peter” is petros, meaning a small stone, whereas “rock” is petra, meaning a great rock mass, solid and immovable. Even if Jesus was speaking in Aramaic, in which both meanings are expressed simply by Cephas, He was making a distinction between the two (perhaps by gestures) which Matthew picked up and (under divine inspiration) translated by the two different Greek words.

The massive rock foundation on which Christ would build His Church was Peter’s great confession of Jesus as the Creator and the Son of the living God. Peter (representing the twelve and, indeed, all who would make the same confession) would be living stones in the church built on the foundation of such confession (I Peter 2:5; Ephesians 2:19-22).

Matthew 16:18
my church. This is the first, and definitive, use of the word “church” (Greek ekklesia, or “out-called assembly”) in the New Testament. This church built by Christ clearly consists of all who acquiesce volitionally and spiritually in Peter’s great confession. This is neither an invisible church, for it is composed of real people, nor a universal church, relative to the world as a whole, but always only a “little flock” (Luke 12:32). The church can never assemble together as a whole until it gathers in heaven as “the general assembly and church of the firstborn” (Hebrews 12:23). It is represented, however, as a “local assembly” in each time and place where “two or three are gathered together in my name” (Matthew 18:20), for Christ Himself, by the Holy Spirit, is there “in the midst of them.” Normally such gatherings would be formally structured as local churches (of the 115 occurrences of ekklesia, at least 85 refer specifically to local churches), with members, officers and organized programs of winning, baptizing and teaching converts.

Matthew 16:18
gates of hell. “Hell” here is the Greek hades, not the ultimate lake of fire but the present pit in the heart of the earth where the souls of the lost, as well as a host of fallen angels, are confined awaiting judgment. When Christ spoke these words, the souls of believers were also there, but during His three days in the grave, Christ stormed the gates of Hades and set these redeemed captives free, taking them with Him to paradise (Ephesians 4:8-10). In like manner, He assures those in His Church that they also can deliver lost souls from imminent confinement behind the gates of Hades as they proclaim the great confession of Christ as redeeming Son of God to all who will heed the gospel.

Therefore, we can clearly see how the proper reading, studying and discernment of the Word of God can blow every heretical teachings (about Peter, the Church and purgatory) out of the water, as having no biblical basis.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=265654.msg3778553#msg3778553 date=1240642274]huxley

stop using the KJV it has errors in it.

But anyway

In the foreknowledge of God; and inasmuch as all mercy and grace, from the beginning, was given in view of his death and passion
The is the foreknowledge of God, inasmuch as all mercry and grace from the beginning was given in view of his death and passion. Remember in the beginning Christ was prophecied to come. God already knew he would be slain. Look up Gen 3:15[/quote]the biblegod already knew he will be slain eh? revelation says that he was killed since the beginning of creation. . . . . .

noetic:
atheism is not an excuse for stupidity and bullshitting. open ur mouth only when u have something reasonable to say, otherwise SHUT UP.

shut up and be quite thou deluded goat. . .

where? what book? chapter? verse? . . . . . .you are perherps the most unreasonable slowpoke i have ever come accross in a long time.
even if u are stupid enough to believe your googled misinformation, musnt u due to ur formal education try to affirm and re-affirm the contents u are being spoonfed with. . . . . .

lear to read the bible for yourself thou idiotic goat. . . its very clear that you do not even know how blood thirsty you deity is. . . allah can only wish to be as evil. . . here is your incompetent and blood thirsty deity confessing and regretting his evil deeds in the bible. . .

"Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, to whom you sent me to offer your prayer: If you remain quietly in this land I will build you up, and not tear you down; I will plant you, not uproot you; for I regret the evil I have done you."(Jeremiah 42:9-10) KJV

toneyb:
do people really believe this?

sure. . . there are millions that believe that pastor adeboye traveled for more than 300km on an empty tank, some believe that he increased the height of an adult man while others believe that he suddenly turned the cold winter afternoon into a warm summer day with his prayers . . .most people that believe in it say that if Elijah can run faster than chariots in the bible why can't enoch adeboye travel for over 300km on an empty tank, there is nothing that the bible god can not do on miracle camp grounds. . . he can even make blind children that have never seen any thing in their entire life differentiate between colors and say them out to people. . .babies that were born deaf and dumb can even say daddy or mummy on miracle grounds. . . so there is nothing that is impossible on the miracle camp ground. . . people even fly on broom sticks. . . there is nothing that does not happen and there are uncountable "testimonies"

noetic:
and whenever u are reminded of the peccadilloes of the paedophile mohammed or the murderous and blood thirsty allah, u get mad and angry.
yet u open ur God forsaken mouth to call a church "demonic" and worshippers "idolators"

thou ignorant slave of allah. . . . .watch thy mouth.

the problem is that you are still remain one of the greatest goons on nairaland. . . have you ever read the bible? pls go read it. . the biblegod is far a more blood thirsty deity than allah because the bible says he did things that allah(another blood thristy diety) will only wish he did. . . he even confessed that he was an evil deity go read your bible. . . its all in there. . .

toneyb:
davidylan will keep on lying for Jesus as long as it will take to make sure he wins a pointless argument. This is a non argument. I don't know why you guys are busy responding to davidylan who believes that the ignorant assumptions of Paul in the bible are right. There is NO moral law written in the hearts of any body. what if some of the gentiles were killing off their babies for one reason or the other as mazaje pointed out in his earlier post? what if they ancient gentiles were eating people or sacrificing them unto their gods for one reasons or the other and they considered that the right thing to do? what if some the gentiles married many wives which is contrary to the Christian god view? what if some of the gentiles consider killing those that do not look like them acceptable for one reason or the other? example the ancient Greeks were known to leave off their babies out in the cold in order to know how strong they babies are, that action to them was a good thing to do. Do people that are brought up in societies that accepts having sex with and marrying underage children know that they are doing the wrong thing? take bullying for instance, children are known to bully other children that are less stronger than them for pleasure, with out teaching a child that bullying is wrong he will continue to bully other kids that are less stronger than he is because of the pleasure it gives him. a child will not automatically know that bullying is wrong until his parents or teachers sit him down and tell him the consequences and effects of what his actions are. There is No moral law written in the hearts of any body because morality is subjective and differs from place to place. You and Paul haven't even told us the natural Moral law that the god of the bible writes in the hearts of the ancient gentiles. It is very easy to make a blanket statement.

davidylan will lie his deluded heads off all the time. . . here is what he wrote

You dont seem to be interested in understanding this issue as much as scoring another point for godless humans FC. Paul talks about "natural law" as being written in their hearts and goes further to explain it by adding this - their conscience also bearing witness.

Every man has a conscience that tells you whether what you're doing is right or wrong. Noah didnt know God, never read a bible all his life, didnt know about the 10 commandments, had never heard of sin or forgiveness . . . YET he found favor with God. A clear indication that EVEN THEN there were men and women who lived by the natural laws of the human conscience. That law that tells you deep in your heart that stealing, lying or killing your neighbour is wrong!

i wonder where he got the idea that noah had never had about sin or forgiveness. . . as you pointed out he and paul have not told us which moral laws are planted in our hearts. . .davidylan i know that you will agree with me that burning of twins is morally wrong completely? why was it not written in the hearts of the people that practiced it naturally? what about cannibalism? why was it not naturally written in the hearts of the people that used to practice it because they believed that it will make them better hunters? if killing your neighbor is wrong why did moses, joshua, and the rest of the ancient jews kill their neighbors, enslave them, steal their lands, forcefully take their women and their children as it was written in the bible? if there is any such things as natural conscience written in the hearts of men by the biblegod then the last person that you will expect to tell people to kill each other will be the bible god but we have him telling people to kill each other, steal, lie , rape and enslave each other all over the bible. . .

noetic:
@ Mazaje

It is painful that intelligence is now very uncommon and even more painful that common sense is fast becoming expensive. Else, why the meaningless ranting?

Fine. I have only ever referred you to an online document ONCE, and I never took credit for it. I was tired of repeating myself so i refered you to an explicit answer online. guess what u did? u started chatting shit as usual, meaningless rubbish.

i think you are one of the dumbest goons on nairaland. . .YOU accused me and said what i DID not say. . .you said i accused you of plagiarism something which i NEVER did. . .you clearly do not even know the meaning of plagiarism. . .stop embarrassing yourself. . .you copied the meaningless apologetics of some one and posted but the problem is that you did not even bother to read his apologies to see if they agree with what is written in the bible. . . .

SHOW ME ONE EXAMPLE OF ME COPYING AND PASTING, . . . . . .thou beclouded atheist.

must you always embarrass yourself? do i have to show you? you just admitted that you copied and pasted the work of another person so what are you saying? pls stop smoking that dry cow dung that you are so used to. . .

noetic:
is ur name in that book?

don't go and write your own book, keep on deluding your self waiting for your name to appear in a non existent imaginary book that only exists in your deluded imaginations. . .

uplawal:
The secrets of those that changed the bible is unveiling, thank God for that, so Jesus never died but after completing his mission he went to heaven, that means the HOLY QURAN came to really clearify the untold, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaba, won tin gba wa men, ori won ko FOKASILE, its just that xtians are stubborn in accepting the REAL TRUTH, and they are the same BEAST holding power to rule the world as they claimed to be INFALLIBLE meaning GOD,may GOD help us sha

what is this you think the koran (another book of myths and lies) is better than the bible?

huxley:
According to the book of Revelations, Jesus was crucified at the creation of the world, Revelations 13: 8;

King James Version
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the [size=15pt]Lamb slain from the foundation of the world[/size].


New International Version
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the [size=15pt]Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world[/size].


So why do Christian keep trying to tell lies about some crucifixion happening about 2000 years ago? Common Christians, shape up.

since the bible says that jesus was crucified or killed from the creation of the world why did the noah's flood take place? its very clear that the redactors of the bible did not even bother to cross check to see that the different writing myths agree with each other. . .

davidylan:
noetic, you waste too much time responding to mazaje. I've pretty much stopped . . . he's simply a goon with a one-track mind . . .

i noticed that you always run away when your stupidity has been exposed. . .and when ever your argument has been flatly defeated. . .i asked one simple question and you ran away with your tail in between your legs. . .if we were born with any moral conscience as you and paul have falsely stated, then why is it that a tribe in nigeria killed their twins for a long time and felt the were doing the write thing? are the cannibal tribe in australia that eat people because they believe it will make them better hunters doing the wrong thing from their own point of view? was abraham doing the wrong thing when he married sarah his half sister? if we are born with a moral conscience will they do that?

davidylan:
Tudor says we have a blank slate . . . which means EVERYTHING including survival instinct is based on our experiences . . . that was what he said. I dont have to twist words.

If a child is blank as regards the concept of right and wrong . . . how did he come born with a survival instinct which in essense is simply a concept on how and how not to survive?

Sometimes i wonder whether you have a brain at all.

a child learns how to survive and how not to. . .take a poison and put it inside the mouth of an 8 months old baby it will drink it, even though he has that survival instinct of eating and staying alive he still does not know what poison is, how and how not to survive is taught to a baby. . .you ejaculate like fool all the time you have just shown that your brain is no different than that of a goat. . .how can you say that you are intelligent and talk like this? you are a shame to all scientist i must say. . .

davidylan:
simple example of the stupidity of claiming that we are born as blank slates . . . a lion raised by humans on milk only still exhibits traits of being a wild animal, a hunter and a meat eater . . . who taught it?

And we assume animals are of lower intelligence than humans. when a baby is born it immediately starts looking for the breast . . . was it sucking in the womb? A child learns to crawl . . . were the mother and father crawling too?

I think the only blank state here is your braiins.

i will advise you to watch a documentary on discovery world called feral kids. . .the document will help ignorant goons like you who think you know when you know completely NOTHING. . .it will really serve as an eye opener for blind goons like you. . . .do you know that even lions are being taught how to hunt in the wild? a child learns to crawl because of the natural instincts it has of wanting to reach something, go watch some television some times,you spend too much time deluding your self on the internet. . .

davidylan:
I'm not surprised . . . the only baffling thing was this piece of garbage duduspace wrote . . .

Why did the gazelle run at the sight of the lion? how did it know that stay = bad and run = good? Watch discovery channel, even newly born gazelles run at the sight of wild animals . . . if they were born with blank slates i'd expect the gazelle to go give the lion a hug instead.

And i thought you had anything but space between your ears?

the rest of his confused piffle wasnt worth responding to.

pls try and watch some animal planet once in a while, how did you come to the conclusion that a gazelle runs from a loin with out being taught about it? i once watched on animal planet when a pregnant antelope that was out foraging after she had given birth was killed by a group of hyenas her baby was lying in the grass and was not seen by the hyenas when its mother ran away and left it when the hyenas attacked, when a leopard came around shortly after wards the hungry baby went straight to the leopard. a baby gazelle born close to lions will go and give lions a hug. . .why do domesticated tigers and loins play with domestic animals like dogs and cats? will they do the same if they were brought up in the wild? and you call your self a scientist? you are a complete disgrace. . .

"He who begins by loving Christianity better than truth, will proceed by loving his own sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."

--Samuel Taylor Coleridge

people usually dream about what pre occupies their minds. . . if you are hungry before you go to bed you will dream about eating. . . if you are pre-occupied with a football match or a girl/boy you will dream about it when you go to bed nothing there. . . stop believing in myths. . .

duduspace:
No difference at all, they are simply different cadres in a profession of lies.

Becomrrich:
I am not surprise, When I discuss nigeria politics over here. Most of them do not understand. They do not know. The north is anti west. Anti america, anti UK, anti canada. Anti white man. When they ask why the north govt prefer arabic govt. I just inform them of history that the north have misblood with the arab  people.

That why you find someone like turai yar adua looking light in colour. The arab are really the fathers of the north according to history. usman dan fodio remember him.  it explain any form in our history of slave trade. how they invade us and stole some of our people into slavery over land . They got the gun those days and horse from the arabs. we do not have gun and horse. It also explain why the north are better polo players than the north.

The north see themself as arabs. and tend to be anti west. And they prefer to do business with the arabs. Which explain why hezbollah and other terrorist organization  are in nigeria. The fund the terrorist in nigeria. Which is really bad. When sept 11 happened northerner went out on the street celebrating the fall of the USA.

And I just had a feeling the last plane that went down in the USA was the work of a terrorist organization , but they claim it was malfunction. I dont think so. there was a woman inside the plane. Which was of interest to me. She was the one that warn about Genocide in rwanda before it happened. And which was upto something about you know what it is not for the internet to talk about this thing. I dont know who is on the other side.

Her name was Alison Des Forges which upto something, I think it had something to do about us.  She wanted to meet with obasanjo before the plane went down.  not for the internet. I am doing a research on her. I cant explain .

https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45478000/jpg/_45478156_desforges_ap226.jpg

what is this are you on drugs?

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=265264.msg3773272#msg3773272 date=1240537943]@mazaje

"Behold, These are coming from afar. These from the north and the west and these from the land of Sinim" was said by prophet Isaiah, an come to find out that Sinim is the name for China in Hebrew. hmm, go figure.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/losttribes3.html

Now I'm not saying that it is true. I am only saying others who have also done their research will disagree with you. So maybe some more research is in order?
Just suggesting.[/quote]sinim is now china in hebrew eh? all this things can be very well researched, DNA and advancement in sciences will refute the suppositions of the writer that some of the ancient chinese were jews. . . where did he ever get that idea from? its very clear from his write up that he is lying. . . .

duduspace:
You are spot on here Lady, but why would God (who made everyone) decide to speak in only one language (while himself supposedly scattered men's languages after the Tower of Babel debacle)?

You should then agree that God himself is responsible for the confusion in the world (yet he is still a perfect God?)

tower of bable debacle. . . .

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=265236.msg3773234#msg3773234 date=1240537047]Or rather you forgetting that Christ said his Kingdom is not of this world, and that we are not looking for pleasures in this world as things in this world die.

Considering that God uses our own understanding or our own descriptions of things to explain things to us. He isn't alking about a physical place on this earth, but is talking about our place in heaven, that is our land. I have mentioned it to you that the Church is the new Israel and it isn't talking about those who are born as Israelites, as they were called something else before being called the israelites. Find out why they are called israelites in the first place.[/quote]who told you that the ancient hebrew tribal god was talking about you? do you know that if your tribe were living anywhere during the time that the events of 2 samuel were written, you tribes will be invaded and killed either for worshipping false gods or living on the land that yahweh has promised his chosen people?. . . read the passage again it says that the biblegod will give the israelites rest and make sure that no one attacks them ever again. . .

2Sa7:8"Now then, tell my servant David, 'This is what the Lord Almighty says: I took you from the pasture and from following the flock to be ruler over my people Israel.
2Sa 7:9 I have been with you wherever you have gone, and I have cut off all your enemies from before you. Now I will make your name great, like the names of the greatest men of the earth.
2Sa 7:10  And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning
2Sa 7:11 and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders [fn] over my people Israel. I will also give you rest from all your enemies. " 'The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you:

it never happened. . . does this passage tell you that the biblegod was talking about heaven?

This is why not just anybody can pick up the Bible and interpret for themselves. The way in which David's kingdom lasts forever is for the messiah to be born of his line. Jesus is that messiah and Jesus is King of David's kingdom, and that is how David's kingdom is forever. Jesus is eternal, but not just that. The Prime minister is still on earth, I already explained that to u in the other thread, the Pope, and as the Church will never be brought down and will never cease to be the Prime minister will always be there and therefore so will the kingdom.

what is this? where is it written that the pope is the prime minister of the biblegod? jesus was claimed to be a (bodily or blood) descendant of david, but it is unclear how that could be. according to both matthew and luke, mary's husband joseph was a descendant of david (though they disagree about the exact genealogy). however, both matthew and luke deny that joseph was jesus's father(the holy spirit was), so their genealogies of joseph (Mt 1:2-16, Lu 3:23-38) should not be regarded as genealogies of Jesus. by the way jews do not believe that jesus or joshep was a decendent of david. . .

In 1 Peter Peter was talking about Rome, Babylon became the code name for Rome or the Roman empire or the empires that oppressed the Jewish people. So it isn't talking about a physical place called Babylon, like I said before God is using our own descriptions and the writers own words or codes to convey a message. That is why not everyone can pick up the Bible and read it.
And actually last time I checked Iraqis are not called Babylonians.

that still does not deny the fact that the biblegod said that babylon will be completely destroyed and no body will ever live there again. . . .iraqis are not called babylonains but they live in what was onced called babylon which the biblegod said that he will destroy completely and not allow any body to ever live there ever again. . . .

Here's a little history on the ups and downs of damascus
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04611a.htm

and no where does it state that the prophecy is going to be accomplished before 2009 AD, if it does then show me


In short madam, your own interpretation proves that not anyone should pick up the Bible and read. You can't justpick it up and say you understand and it must be so. Please check throughout the Bible, for each of the points you have make sure you have covered everysingle angle having to do with them.

But I just noticed something else you put so i'll tal about it.

is this the new excuse? when writer was writing the prophecy he sure was telling the people that it will happen in the no distant future. . .i am not a madam. . . where did you get that idea from?. . . . .here is what it says

Isa 17:1   An oracle concerning Damascus: "See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins.

it never happened. . . . .

In Revelation there is a New Jerusalem and this Jerusalem isn't on earth, it isn't in what you know as the physical location of Jerusalem. And in this Jerusalem the uncircumsiced and unclean will not enter, uncircumcised meaning those who aren't baptised as baptism has become the circumcision. The things of the Old Testament pre-figures the things of the New Testament. Adam is a type of Christ, Jonah is a type of Christ hence the sign of jonah is not really about the 3 days and 3 nights do more research about that, circumcision is a type of baptism, the ark of the covenant is a type of Mary. Look up what I mean by "type" as in typology, I can't explain all that here.
So the Jerusalem you are thinking of is not the Jerusalem spoken of here. So wrong again.

what is this? are you a gymnast?

2:1  Awake, awake, O Zion, clothe yourself with strength. Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, the holy city. The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again.
Isa 52:2 Shake off your dust; rise up, sit enthroned, O Jerusalem. Free yourself from the chains on your neck, O captive Daughter of Zion.
Isa 52:3 For this is what the Lord says: "You were sold for nothing, and without money you will be redeemed."
Isa 52:4 For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: "At first my people went down to Egypt to live; lately, Assyria has oppressed them.
Isa 52:5 "And now what do I have here?" declares the Lord. "For my people have been taken away for nothing, and those who rule them mock, [fn]" declares the Lord. "And all day long my name is constantly blasphemed.

this passage clearly shows that you do not know what you are talking about, new jerusalem in heaven?

No where in that passage does it refer to the death of Jesus or the tomb of Jesus. Last time I checked earth is not synonymous for tomb, and no where else in the Bible does it speak of the earth as a tomb. So no that passage doesn't talk about the burial of Jesus. It actually talks about Jesus' authority pay attention to the question asked by the jews, they asked for a "sign" and to authenticate himself he gives the "sign of jonah" Jonah is a type of christ, look up "type" as I told you to. Do a research on the similarities of Jesus and Jonah, it is too much for me to put up here.

what is this? you are outrightly lying. . . .

Oh by the way look up Hosea 6:2 on jesus' resurrection

what are you doing lady?. . . . here is what the passage says. . .

Hsa 6:1  Come, and let us return to the LORD; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
Hsa 6:2 After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight.

what is this? what has this got to do with jesus? can you see your dishonesty? you guys are quick to go through the hebrew bible to find non existent prophecies for your jesus. . .the passage has nothing to do with death talkess of resurrection it talk about how the tribal god of the old testament tore and stroked the people(perhaps for worshipping other gods since that is what he is very good at). the writers of the poem uses us in his poem so what has that got to do with jesus?

No where does it say that soon is before 2009 or in 2009. Christ also said no one knows, so in saying soon, no one is actually saying a timeline. It is just used to keep everyone on their toes as no one knows when this "soon" will be. It can be as soon as tonight even, we do not know. No one said it will be in a specific lifetime, they thought it will be, but they never made any predictions. Do not attribute to the early christians what they didn't attribute to themselves. thank you.

even jesus himself told some of his listeners that he will come from the sky with his angels to establish his kingdom and reward the people and that some of them listening to him will not taste death till it happens. . .he told the high preist that he will see him come in his kingdom. . . he talked about the generation of people that were living at that time will see him come and establish his kingdom, he told them about the signs of things to expect( does things he gave as signs have been happening even before he was born). he told some of his disciples that before they finsih spearding his word round jerusalem he will come back. . . .paul also said that jesus was coming during his time. . . .

oh there are so many prophecies fulfilled by christ, since u are so biased and refused to see the other side only what u want to see.

can you bring them forward and lets look at them closely? i bet you that they are either mistranslation of the original hebrew text or outright lies. . .go ahead and bring them forward. . . . .

duduspace:
Yep Lady, if you're caught with your hand in the cookie jar you can always claim to be returning one.

the way this people operate is ridiculous. . . if we were to report things like them then there will be no contradictions at all. . .show me any book filled with errors and contradictions and i will show you that it does not exist. . . lady's relies are just to ridiculous. . . . . . .

duduspace:
I wonder o, brein seems to be in his own world, no wonder why he beleives he will grow wings and fly one day. Abeg make the guy no live for penthouse o, I no fit shout.

how body duduspace,? two days hope you are good. . . . . .

There was a time when people used to burn twins in some parts of nigeria. . . parents will allow others to burn their twins for one reason or the other and not feel bad about it in fact they taught they were doing the right thing by burning their twin babies. if we are born with a natural conscience will parents ever burn or allow people to burn their twin infant children? were the perpetrators not taught that it was wrong to do that? why are morals always evolving if there is any such things as natural conscience? NO SUCH THING EXIST. . .