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davidylan:
Again confusion reigning supreme here.

1. they are not lying BECAUSE THEY WANT TO

2. But they lie anyway BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AVOID PUNISHMENT OF GAIN REWARD.

Do both premises square with each other? Imagine if i said . . . i'm not really running because i want to but because i want to get to my destination faster . . . well i'm still running FOR A REASON ANYWAY AND ITS BECAUSE I WANT TO! If i didnt want to run i'd just sit or walk!

brein:
Uhm! King Solomon was a man after God's heart, he was loved so much by many, but when God called him (Solomon) he refused to hearken unto the voice of God and so he went ahead marrying soo many wives and God hated his attitude.

duduspace:
what do you think they are doing when they stare at you and study you all all day long?

davidylan:
You mean ALL parents lie and a 3 yr old can mentally process that the parent is LYING, understands the concept and then learns how to use it?
All at the age of 3?

Insult me, that's fair . . . but to then shoot urself in the foot with the above . . . pathetic.

China has one of the world's oldest and continuous civilizations, consisting of states and cultures dating back more than six millennia. [/b]It has the world's[b] longest continuously used written language system, and is the source of many major inventions, such as what the British scholar and biochemist Joseph Needham called the "four great inventions of Ancient China": paper, the compass, gunpowder, and printing. Historically, China's cultural sphere has extended across East Asia as a whole, with Chinese religion, customs, and writing systems being adopted to varying degrees by neighbours such as Japan, Korea and Vietnam. The first evidence of human presence in the region was found at the Zhoukoudian cave and is one of the first known specimens of Homo erectus, now commonly known as the Peking Man, estimated to have lived approximately from 300,000 to 550,000 years ago. Noticeably, it is also known that the Peking Man was able to control and use fire.

also did it ever occured to you that the time it was written there wasn't such a place called india? just because it is on the map today doesn't mean it was called the same thing then, and just so u know historians have placed several tribes in the Old Testament in asia minor, so it is very possible that they did come to visit King solomon.
just to note, greece is a part of the western hemisphere, pls do more research.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=56&letter=R

don't u mean thought that the entire world comprised only of the middle east, and some parts of africa.

and even if they did, so what? most of the world was unaware of the other parts of the world, does that mean that they are illegitimate and liars in their writings. seriously u will look for anything to convince urself of false truths won't u?

davidylan:
dont blame us tudor, after spending 6 months with bone heads like mazaje and huxley you cant help but feel that most of you are simply out looking to score points rather than asking because you want genuine answers.

I dont get it when you say my answers are "unsatisfactory" . . . in what sense is it? That it does not mirror EXACTLY your own  pre-conceived idea of what the answer shld be?
You asked a biblical question and i responded with the biblical answer and its still "unsatisfactory"? Why? Are you the one who set the criteria for those who can and cannot go to heaven? So why do you expect the answer to mirror your mind?

The question was whether non-israelites/gentiles would go to hell IF they NEVER heard about the God of Israel . . . the bible EXPRESSLY says no. What sort of answer where you looking for?

Now to tackle your above questions . . . to claim that "we were not born with a conscience" is FALLACY. Who teaches a 3 yr old to lie? But he wakes up one day and effortlessly tells a lie to get out of trouble . . . what experience taught him to do that?

Did you have to attend classes that taught you that stealing your neighbours goat was wrong? Did you have to visit ethics class to know that stealing meat from the pot was wrong?

My dear, no body is EVER born with a blank slate . . . that is just a flat out LIE you desperately need to force your own opinions into the bible.

2Ch 9:22 King Solomon was greater in riches and wisdom than all the other kings of the earth.
2Ch 9:23 All the kings of the earth sought audience with Solomon to hear the wisdom God had put in his heart.

davidylan:
What law where these gentiles following? There is a natural law put in the hearts of EVERY MAN by which they shall be judged [size=18pt]IF[/size] they died WITHOUT hearing the gospel of salvation.

CAN U PLEASE SHOW ONE EXAMPLE WHERE I HAVE USED GOOGLE TO PLAGIARISE? thou ignorant atheist. ,  .

full of bullshit.Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our message
      and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
      and like a root out of dry ground.
      He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
      nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men,
      a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
      Like one from whom men hide their faces
      he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
      and carried our sorrows,
      yet we considered him stricken by God,
      smitten by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
      he was crushed for our iniquities;
      the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
      and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
      each of us has turned to his own way;
      and the LORD has laid on him
      the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
      yet he did not open his mouth;
      he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
      and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
      so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression [a] and judgment he was taken away.
      And who can speak of his descendants?
      For he was cut off from the land of the living;
      for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

[b]9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
      and with the rich in his death,
      though he had done no violence,
      nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
      and though the LORD makes [c] his life a guilt offering,
      he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
      and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.  


satisfied?

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
      and with the rich in his death,
      though he had done no violence,
      nor was any deceit in his mouth.

He died and rose up on the third day. what's ur problem or question?. . . . . thou beclouded atheist!!!

and it shouldn't be so, but because man hates authority and because man thinks he's perfect, he goes and does whatever and changes the Word to fit what he thinks is right. Rather than trying to understand the scripture he clings to, he vows to make the scriptures change and pass it off as saying he is interpreting the scriptures properly.

The Bible was unchanged for 1500 years, there was no trouble like this. The only trouble arose from those who did not want to believe in the Bible. That is something different, but for ppl who say they do believe in the Bible, but refuse to accept books that were defined as scripture and were never challenged for 1500 yrs, that baffles me. They refuse to accept the authority of the people who wrote and defined the scripture that they would die for. After Martin Luther changed the Bible what happened? Different denominations sprang up. Even those that agreed with Luther still differed with him, and when they refused to accept what he said, guess what they did? They went ahead and watered down the Bible again, they chose what they wanted to believe and continued, and that has been the pattern since. That's why amongst them, you will see one who doesn't agree with the teachings of a pastor and then jump to the other pastor's church, and then when that pastor says something they don't like, they will leave there and go to another one's church, and the cycle continues. Doesn't that say that they don't want to hear what God wants to say, but that they want to hear what they want to hear?

They pick what they want from the Bible and run with it, and contradict themselves all the time, It's funny some of the ppl on NL have interpreted the same verse in different ways. The verse that they interpreted last year will have a different interpretation from them again this year and they will swear on their ancestors' grave that they are telling the truth. They swore that last year too.

It makes no sense.

Because God himself came down and relayed the last message. All the other prophets testified to his coming. The whole point of him coming was to show humanity the actual way to go. That's why what we thought was up was actually really down and what we thought was left was actually really right. What we think is wisdom is actually foolishness. Adam and Eve in Genesis were told by the devil that if they ate of the fruit of the tree they would gain wisdom like the gods, but infact they already had that wisdom and didn't know it. So while they thought they were getting life and wisdom, they were really getting death and foolishness, and that's the key to understanding everything from then on in the Bible. That explains why we needed to have saviour in the first place, why God had to choose a people to set his plan in mothion. So God realising that man cannot remove sins from the world on his own merit, he fashioned himself as a man to do so. That is why Jesus is God, because no man born of a woman and man can take on all the sins (hatred, greed, lust, murder, pride, sloth, etc) on himself, no man can do so, The only one with the perfect love to be able to carry on those sins without succumbing to hate those who put those sins on him, is God, and that's why God had to do it. So God needed to show to us how to get back to the way he initially created us. So he taught us life principles, principles that if applied with love and fully, love for God and love for our fellow man, will defeat any war, any disease, any poverty that the devil can insert to the world. If people started loving their enemies and started exercising patience, and stopped looking for revenge we would hardly have any killings, steakings and so on. If people started exercising self-control we would hardly have aborted babies, children abandoned by patience, no rape and so on. If people starte accepting responsibilities for their actions we would hardly need taxes jo. But people don't. And that is the message of Christ. Life principles, even when we don't sometimes understand them if practiced fully and with love eradicates the world's problems. But for him to do so, he ahd to turn things upside down. The devil in the garden turned things upside down and made us think that right was left, and all. So God turned it around, and made left left and right right. But we are so far gone that what we think left is is not what Christ tells us left is. So that leads us to why he had to suffer and die. For example. A lot of these pastors give the prosperity preaching, and tell that suffering isn't the way to go, but Christ preaches suffering and poverty as the way to get to heaven, now don't mistake poverty to mean that those who are in poverty in the world today are all going to heaven, no that is not the poverty he preached about. Poverty means not attaching yourself to the things of this world, you have just what you need, but are still willing to give it to another who doesn't Poverty means not being attached to mercedes benz even if u have one, it means if that benz were to go away and if u were to loose all ur money, u wouldn't be hurt, u wouldn't think ur life is over, u would still find life and beauty in everything u see, I hope I was clear in explaining poverty. Christ and his apostles preached crucifixion, it doesn't mean u have to go hang urself on the cross o, lol. They preached suffering, suffering as in don't be attached to things in this world that pass away. It means instead of trying to fight those who hurt u accept their hurt and love them back for it, remember the principle of love ur enemies. It means accepting all the hurts that this world would throw at u because they do not understand u, accept all the insults that even those who claim to be true believers would throw at u, accept it all and use it for God's glory. So while we look at suffering as something to detest, it isn't, because as the devil showed us that throw lack of self-control, through hatred, through pride and all vices we have life. God shows us that it is through humility, through patience, through love, that we have life.
So you may see someone on the street or you may listen to someone speak about God and you may see them embrace the simple life, the solitary life, the sacrificial life, do not for one second think that they are in suffering as u would define suffering, they are truly at peace. You may call them foolish or deluded, but at the end of the day, they are the ones with the angels at their side.
The easy road leads to destruction, the hard road leads to life. What is up is really down, what is down is really up.
Unfortunately most pastors don't preach it, and from their preaching they have led many souls to destruction.

There is no need for a prophet, his plan has been fulfilled. I hope you saw your answer in my dissertation, lol. Sorry for the dissertation btw.

oh mazaje, God never dictated, he doesn't dictate, he inspired, do u know what it means for someone to be inspired? I don't mean for someone to be an inspiration, no i mean for someone to be inspired

Because God has an established kingdom, and like any King, he will have his court members, and yes his prime minister the Pope. That's another discussion for later.

It was a unanimous vote on which books were to be defined as scripture

KunleOshob:
Even the atheist (huxley, banom, mazaje et al) are all striving seriously hard to know and study the bible , lol

davidylan:
ah same ol' same ol' from dear confused mazaje.

davidylan:
and? What was your point?
We are saved by grace but is it grace that will come and tell you not to steal ur brother's pencil? Romans 6 was simply saying, now that you know you are saved by grace . . . you shldnt take it as a license to steal and abuse such a privilege.

1. (Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9[b]not as a result of works,[/b] that no one should boast."

davidylan:
[size=15pt]Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?[/size]

the truth is enough for the wise.

1. (Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
2. (Rom. 3:20, 28) - "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin, 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
3. (Galatians 2:16) - "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."

davidylan:
I dont understand why virtually ALL of them appear here as if we stole their money. If God didnt exist why is he so annoyed that someone would even pray?

manmustwac:
Prayer is nothing but superstition. A safe journey should never depend on words prayers. It should depend on a good driver and a car in good working condition.

davidylan:
Of course what do i expect from you? At least you've stopped pretending to be interested in serious debates, you simply log on to dish out your usual dose of personal abuse. Keep it up.

davidylan:
its been thoroughly addressed on another thread that not shockingly included mazaje who now comes here pretending to be genuinely surprised at the "contradiction".

this apparent "problem" can be resolved if only bawomolo availed himself of the internet to find out that jews counted their days very differently from how we do it now.

OLAADEGBU:
It is impossible for a Christian to convert to atheism because a Christian is someone who knows God. QED.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you understand what an analogy means? I said even if a multi-billionaire pays for soap and detergent . . . You are right by saying that it is only insane people that will refuse to use it in this scenario, do you think everyone is sane? My Yoruba Bible tells me that the crazy man says in his heart, there is no God Ps.14:1 check it out, there are some pscychos that don't believe in the existence of God despite all the evidence around us, their existence for an instance.

It is good that you acknowledge the usefulness of soap and detergents but are you sure that all who can afford it now are using it? or that if it were to be made affordable everyone will definitely use it? Can you prove to me that all those who are dirty in the earth today cannot afford soap or detergents?

When free education in Nigeria was introduced did all take advantage of this privilege? Even when Abraham Lincoln signed the emancipation declaration edict of freedom of African American slaves did everyone immediately take advantage of this? It was said that some did not believe or did not want to leave their slavemasters, some died as slaves but did this diminish the authority of the edict? or would you say that the edict was not powerful enough to set everybody free?

Sin is the transgression of the law, what law you will ask and I will ask you to answer the questions below with a sincere conscience, and you will see what law you have or have not transgressed in the excerpt below.

OLAADEGBU:
It was G.K. Chesterton who rightly stated, "If there were no God, there would be no atheists." A thinking person will tell you that it's impossible to prove that God doesn't exist.  Before someone can say, "There is no God," he or she needs to have all knowledge — because somewhere in the universe there may be evidence that God does exist.  And there is, right under our noses.  A building is proof there was a builder.  A painting is proof there was a painter, and creation is absolute proof that there was and is a Creator.  The question is, are you good enough to go to Heaven?

Here's how to know: 
Have you ever lied (even once) or stolen (regardless of value)?
omeone to whom you are not married?
Have you ever hated someone?

"Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, to whom you sent me to offer your prayer: If you remain quietly in this land I will build you up, and not tear you down; I will plant you, not uproot you; for I regret the evil I have done you."(Jeremiah 42:9-10) KJV .

If you said yes to those questions, on Judgment Day God will see you as a[b] lying thief, a blasphemer, an adulterer, and even a murderer[/b].

Jesus said, "Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart," and Scripture also says that if you hate someone, you are a murderer.  This is the Bible's warning — if God gives you justice on Judgment Day, you will end up in Hell.  Forever.  Not believing in something won't make it go away.  You need to be forgiven before that day, and because God is rich in mercy He made a way for you to be clean in His sight: "God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Jesus suffered and died on the cross, taking the punishment for your sins.  He paid your fine in His life's blood, so that you could leave the courtroom.  Then He rose from the dead and defeated death.  Your death sentence can be commuted.  Please, come to your senses— repent and trust in Jesus, and God will forgive you and grant you eternal life.  Pray something like: "Dear God, please forgive my sins (name them). I turn from them and trust Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. In His name I pray.  Amen."  Then read the Bible daily and obey what you read (see John 14:21).  Now go to www.livingwaters.com and click on "Save Yourself Some Pain."

OLAADEGBU:
Let me save your five minutes and solve your misery.  "If there were no God there will be no atheists" said a philosopher.  Do you believe that you exist? if yes then God exists but if no then God does not exist. QED.

If God snuffs the air that you breath out of you for just five minutes you will then know that God exists in time and in eternity but it will be too late to make
amends because you will be facing a fearful Judge and you will not be able to come back to tell the story.

On a serious note, Jesus gave you a challenge in John 7:17 when He said "If any man will do His will he shall know the doctrine, whether it be of God or whether I speak of myself."  That's His challenge.  Take Him at His Word and see what happens.  God will reveal Himself to you as a response to obedience.  The divine revelations of God always follow obedience to His Word, they do not precede it.  Take the gospel truth you have , obey it, and God will give you more truth, that is the way of God.  What is this truth?  He said "He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him." (John 14:21).

@Mazaje
How are you so sure about other people's consciousness.  Like, how do you know that a child's consciousness increases with time, or that consciousness is even subject to increase or decrease?

Or that the person in a coma lacks consciousness?

OLAADEGBU:
I know it may not be a perfect analogy but can you afford soap or detergent? Even if a multi-billionaire pays for soap and detergent and makes it free for everyone to use do you think everyone will take advantage of this and use it? and if anyone refuses to use this free privilege will you still blame the benevolent who has made this provision available for everyone and anyone? The fact that Jesus' PRECIOUS blood shed for the whole of humanity for the forgiveness of our sins is sufficient to cleanse us and put us on a right standing with God does not mean that everyone will take advantage of this free gift. If anyone refuses to believe it or apply it does not reduce the efficacy of the blood of Jesus Christ, it is up to us to believe it, receive it and apply it to our lives if we are to be cleansed and made whole.

bawomolo:
oh here we go. were the Greeks christian?