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[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=37272.msg2948794#msg2948794 date=1224119059]I happen to know for a fact that I believe in the right one. So not scared and not expecting any changes there.[/quote]Can you show us any evidence? apart from the bible how can you prove to us beyond reasonable doubt that jehova is better than allah? have u ever meet any of them? how do you know? what makes jehova better than allah?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=184678.msg2959719#msg2959719 date=1224325919]Don't be such a teaser. They are doing "quite well" - how many of them have been shown to be doing "quite well" after the olympics? How do you measure "doing quite well" if the Chinese government maltreats its own people?[/quote]They are doing FAR better than nigeria which is the most god dependent country in the world which i know. . . . . . .

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=184678.msg2959660#msg2959660 date=1224324936]Hi huxley,

Maybe if you asked about specific countries where people have distinctively rejected God, then you may have your answer. [/quote]China. . . . . . . and they are doing quite well. . . . .

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=184782.msg2959683#msg2959683 date=1224325260]Just take style post those same things he said - not hard to do, abi? [/quote]i don't have the books here with me. . . . i read one about two months ago and he predicted this financial crisis in detail, he even warned of the housing bubble and mortgage meltdown how devastating it will be if it burst. . . .

Chrisbenogor:
They cannot even agree on the nature of God, if one looks closely why has God progressed with human beings. In the old days he had the personality that men had which is killing by brutal means as a form of punishment, in the present now that killing is totally wrong God suddenly does not like to kill again. Na wa

The europeans stole the jewish god who was created by the jews at that time in their own image and transformed him and his personality from the very tribal, manovalent and war monger he was into a universally accepted entity. . . . . The jews must be very bitter and angry at the europeans for what they have done to their god. . . . . .

Chrisbenogor:
@lady
Sorry oh but I could not help but ask where is the justice in killing innocent people? Those mass genocides if they are to be believed wiped out more than 23 million people and that is just between genesis and joshua. World war II was only able to wipe out 43 million people that was with fighter jets and was ships and all that, the hebrews managed theirs with swords and slings and arrows.
The poster tried to raise a point which is that there is really no record of the devil being responsible for these mass killings, the devil's own problem was that he made man see good and evil, which is not such a bad thing but God took his anger squarely on man and visiting it on their generations.
Really what do we know about the devil? He came to steal to kill and to destroy is what the bible says but if we look critically God is the chief architect of killing stealing and destroying innocent people.
So tell me where you see justice in all this really tell me.

where is the love and justice, when god kills or orders people to kill, enslave, steal, rape, lie and destroy each other? what amazes me is how quick christains are quick to point their fingers on allah, saying that he is manovalent, evil and dangerous when their own god is no better. . . . . . . .

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=184782.msg2957800#msg2957800 date=1224277446]Help us post some of Kiwashki's predictions about the same detail - it might be interesting to see. Source, document, publication, all - just out of curiosity. [/quote]go read up his books

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=179872.msg2957611#msg2957611 date=1224274501]It is obvious that you have been reading the Bible out of context and out of time. Those are books written for a particular place and time and in a certain context. You must not forget that God is a God of justice.[/quote]what do you mean by out of context? did the biblical god carry out and ordered all those atrocities or not? why do christains vilify allah and not the biblical god since they are no different from each other? are the moslems reading the koran out of context? or is the bible lying against its god?

[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2957686#msg2957686 date=1224275690]did i complain to you?[/quote]then dont ever compalin when moslem go about killing people because they believe they will go to paradise when they do that. . . . you are quick in pointing fingers and complaining when moslems go on rampage. . . . your god is no better than theirs. . . . .

JJYOU:
MAY GOD HELP US. with people like these

The same god that encouraged people to kill, steal, maim, rape and destroy each other in the bible? say it aint so. . . . .

[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2957540#msg2957540 date=1224273211]Thank you. please stop reading posts that allude to an ambigous book. Your mental state seems to be quite ambigous at the moment[/quote]its your mental state that is ambigious at the moment since you want to be saved by an imaginary being/force that kills babies and children and encourages people to kill, rape enslave and destroy each other. . . . .

Robert Kiwashki predicted the same thing in much more detail back in 1999. . . and he the way he is non religious. . . .

[[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2957321#msg2957321 date=1224269844]Again, none of your business. I don't tell catholics "my opinion" (a blatant lie), i simply point out the FACTS from the bible.
You'D be well advised to understand what you actually speak so gullibly about. Foaming in the mouth does not impress me, ability to intelligently marshall a point does.[/quote]That again is not true , its all your opinion, its all about personal intepretation of a very ambigious book. . . . By the way why is there no universally accepted christainity? why is there no universally accepted christian doctorine? where are there over 30,000 sect and religions in christainty? the reason all boils down to opinion . . . . . . . and yours does not supercede any body's

[quote author=plus_Queen link=topic=179872.msg2957331#msg2957331 date=1224270090]This mazaje must be a very troubled soul.
what a shame[/quote]so i am a troubled soul because i don not believe in the god of the bible. . .  there are over 4 billion people in this world like me that do not believe in the biblical god, does that mean that that mean we should all be ashemed of our selves? and by the what do you mean when you say i am troubled? the only troubled person/being is the god you serve/believe in who ordered people to kill, steal, rape, enslave and destroy each other. . . . say it aint so and prove me wrong. . .  prove to me that the god which you serve is not troubled. . . you castigate and blame muslims and their allah when your god is no better prove to me that the god of the bible is less troubled than allah. . .  the only troubled person is you who rely on your imaginary friend to lead you through life. . . their by making you to see people that disagree with you as enemies of you and your imaginary friend. . . . .

[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2957264#msg2957264 date=1224269043]Not exactly ur business as they at least portend to believe in the same God as me and carry the same bible.[/quote]That is not true, their bible is different from yours, theirs contain additional books. . . their god believes that mary should be honoured and praised just like jesus and yours does'nt so why are you hell bent on makin g them believe in your own god and version of the bible? the catholics culture believes in honouring of the saints, burning of candles and reverance of the pope etc, you own religion does'nt yet you spend all the time fighting and trying to tell them their opiniion is wrong why is your opinion better than theirs. . . i thought its all about opinion isnt it?

[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2957224#msg2957224 date=1224268350]Every man is entitled to his opinion.[/quote]why then do you spend so much time trying to tell the catholics that their opinions are wrong if you really believe that every man is entitled to his/her own opinion??

[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2957214#msg2957214 date=1224268107]every man is entitled to his opinion.[/quote]why then do you blame allah for telling his diciples to do the same thing which your god tells his diciples to do? killing of the unbeliever in this case. . . . don't you ever complian that allah is bad because your god is just the same. . . . . .

[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2957181#msg2957181 date=1224267517]Whoever i choose to "castigate" in my prayers is none of your business.[/quote]Ok but at least satan is a better caharacter than god in the bible. . . . god has done FAR more reprehensible things than satan. . . say it aint so. . . .

[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2957142#msg2957142 date=1224266803]i wasnt complaining was i?[/quote]good for you. . . . when next you pray don't ever castigate the satan because there is no record of him killing babies and ripping pregnat women open but god says he will do/has done that in the bible bible. . . . . i will rather be saved by satan than by a god that orders people to kill, enslave, rape and destroy each other. . . . . . .

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=179872.msg2957052#msg2957052 date=1224265677]Some people ask why does evil exist and why doesn't God just get rid of him.

Well evil exists because we allow it to exist. People do evil things not God. When God pnishes people it is called Justice. When a murderer takes a life, do we say we forgive therefore you are free to go? Absolutely not. He has to pay his dues.
It is called justice.
God is of love and justice, he isn't a pushover. You can't do wrong and expect him to just turn a blind eye.
So you're wondering why God punished people in the Old Testament, it's because they were doing wrong. You don't reward someone doing bad.

People make choice that causes evil on others. When bombs are dropped God doesn't drop them, when guns are shot God doesn't fire them. People do that. So start taking responsibility for the evils of this world instead of blaming it on God.
God gave us brains to use to come up with solutions to the problems we face, instead of using that a lot of you use your brain to blame God. Why don't you come up with a solution to poverty? Why don't you come up with a solution to our dying society? When Christians are trying to do so, the rest of you raise up alarms on us. You don't realise it's all for our good. You're trying to be lawless, without laws everyone will kil each other and do whatever they want. But you all don't think of it like that. No you see God as a hinder to all the atrocious things you want to do.

God gave us hearts to love. When he says the greatest commandments is to love him and love our neighbours, he wasnt lying. If we all loved, we wouldn't hurt and evil will no longer exist. SO insttead of attacking God why not start loving all you meet. Why not show love by lending a helping and and coming up with a solution to the world's problems after all we have the brains for it.

God isn't the evil one here, it is humans and the devil that gets to humans.[/quote]its obvious you have'nt been reading your bible, where is the love when god in the bible kills and orders people to kill, steal, rape and enslave each other? where is the love? god in the bible ordered people to murder each other and you are here talking about love? where is the love?

[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2957072#msg2957072 date=1224265885]I don't have to, i don't need to . . . salvation is not by force.[/quote]so you believe that you are going to be salvaged by a god that kills babies, tells people to kill each other, orders people to enslave each other, rape, steal and lie? na you sabi. . . . . .

[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=179872.msg2957039#msg2957039 date=1224265474]Please where exactly is all this?[/quote]0

God will kill children when they come out of their mothers’ wombs (Hosea 10:14-15)

God will kill children and unborn fetuses because their parents worship other gods (Hosea 13:16).

[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=179872.msg2957027#msg2957027 date=1224265361]In Christianity, there is no such thing as a smear campaign against the devil.

Please take note. [/quote]tell us about the bad things that the devil did to humans in the bible. . . .  what wronghas satan commited? how many people has he killed or misslead?and i will readily give you a litany of all the sordid evils that the biblical god perpertrated against humanity. . . . . .

[quote author=dauda* link=topic=179872.msg2956998#msg2956998 date=1224264818]Defend Him from what? You have the freewill to say what you wish.

I on the other hand wonder why athiests who don't believe God exists believe a devil exists in the first place.[/quote]o boi wake up from your slumber who told you that athiest believe in the devil? you don't know what you are talking about. . . . satan and god are all imaginary. . . . . ok tell me why the biblical god ordered the killings of innocent babies and children in the bible? will you worship a god that tell people to kill your child for no god reason? how will you feel if your pastor kills your child and tells you that the order came from god? there so manyu of such instances in the bible. . . .god told people to wage war and share their women after the war does that sound nice to you? ok justify gods actions by killing babies in the bible. . . . . .

because the lives of nigerians revolve around god/gods. . . . . . .

I still wonder why christains/moslems spend time casting, binding and raining curses on satan when the bible and the koran have both shown/revealed that god is by FAR a worse creature that satan, how many people has satan killed in the bible? and how many has god killed? god in the bible ordered people to steal, kill, maim, ensalve, rape, lie,destroy etc while there is little or no recod of satan ordering people to carry out such atrocities. . . . . if there is a supernatural being that is worthy of worship it will definately be satan not god because god has done FAR worse and commited much more atrocities than satan . . . . so god people as some one here aforementioned come and defend your god and also justify all the death, destruction and evil that he commited or ordered people to commit. . . . . .

[quote author=Riff-Raff link=topic=184394.msg2956162#msg2956162 date=1224256375]because most niagerians are hypocrite, religion is just a charade [/quote]It is, i want to know what the advantages of visiting fetish priest are?

Nigeria is dying because of religion peroid!

and how does visiting fetish people contribute to the development of nigerians? its all a myth. . . . .

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=184294.msg2953024#msg2953024 date=1224197275]Okay, I hear you. Yes, you're right that as a Christian, I believe that there are witches, demons, the devil, angels, etc. But it is wrong and quite unhealthy to assume my position for me before you try to understand where I stand. In just the same way as it would be wrong for me to assume your position in atheism even before you have defined it for yourself, regardless of the fact that there are so many definitions of atheism given by atheists themselves.

One such wrong assumption to make is that, even though I'm a Christian who believes that such phenomena exist, I'm not driven to endanger anyone's life on that basis. Do I believe in the Bible? yes, I do - and my discussions on the forum should clarify that position so well to a casual observer. However, even as a Christian, I do not have the authority to define the way the Bible should be interpreted for ALL Christians, just as you huxley do not have the rationale or moral position to define what atheism should be for every single atheist.

I think that quite a number of people have observed this attitude in many users, and they have called our attention to it. However, the question still remains: what do we gain personally if the main feature of our interractions is to misrepresent and ridicule other people's worldviews even before we understand their raison d'etre? I believe that people can share and dialogue without pushing themselves every single time to just use every opportunity to be extreme.

Regards.[/quote]You just cant have it both ways, you believe in angels, demons, satan etc but when asked to prove their existence you digress and start talking about something else. . . . tell me or show me and example of how angels/demons have impacted the world in which we live in with evidence. . . . left for religion alone people would have been living like savages. . . rational thinking and reasoning is what makes the world a better place not angels, god, demons,jinns and allah. . . . . . . . .

Nigeria is dying because of religion, anything that man needs to do must be done by man himself. . . . religion has divided nigerian beyond what the ordinary eyes can see. . . . Religion serves all the greedy and coruppt politicians well because that is what stops the poor people from killing them. . . . .

Glen becks is a lunatic, i love all those ignorant right wing nuts who thrive on ignorance and stupidity to keep the uninformed and stupid in a box. . . . . the GOP clearly shows that religion is the best source and form of division. . . . . Imagine people like shawn hannity, rush limburgh, ann coulter,larz larson, etc telling people that the liberals do not love america. . . . . its just so unbelievable the conservative(hate)talk radio hosts never see/think past their own interest and ideas ,its either their way or the high way. . . . . i will love to see how they will respond when barack obama becomes the next POTUS. . . . . . .