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Image123: And they've finished running from city to city, from your perspective.
At least, we can thank God that you read that Jesus said that no man knows the time. Keep wishing the Bible's wrong, i'm waiting for Jesus, go and pray if that bothers you.

Image123: @mazaje

Well, it's a better thing to repeat than to repeat ignorant statements like "What has the verse you posted got anything to do with this topic? you are here quoting from a verse that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic."

Well then, your ignorance is by choice. One thing the passage proves is that there was NO SURETY that Jesus would return in the lifetime of His disciples, contrary to the phabuu you've been feeding us.
CONTEMPORARY ENGLISH VERSION
John 21:22 Jesus answered, "What is it to you, if I want him to live until I return? You must follow me."
John 21:23 So the rumor spread among the other disciples that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say he would not die. He simply said, "What is it to you, if I want him to live until I return?"

In your face again,
Luke 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for[b] the powers of heaven shall be shaken. [/b]
Luk 21:27 And THEN shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, [size=18pt]This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.[/size]

It is in the period, time, generation that these signs happen that Jesus would come. The events follow one another. The things\signs before and preceeding the second coming of Christ are yet to happen. Nobody knows when these things would happen, but when the begin, be sure that Jesus is 'near the corner' i.e His second coming BTW, not the rapture. Do you even have the capacity for this? smh. The generation that experiences the signs would not pass away until Jesus comes. And like i told you earlier, EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, including you mazaje, and your high priest friend.

How that's clearer to you than the disciples, the apostles, and christians beat my imagination. Take orrection, and beat it.

plaetton: excellent one and something to deeply reflect upon. Another one to reflect upon is why western countries do not teach bilbe knowledge in their public schools. The reason is quite simple. They cannot risk the damage that such toxic material could do their young who are their future. The have been there and they have done all that in previous eras. We should learn from them.

Image123: @mazaje
You do err out of true ignorance. How can one ask what John 21 has to do with what we're discussing? We are talking about Christ's return. It's real pity if satan blinds you to something so obvious. Here it is again.
"Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23.Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? " (John 21:21-23).
This is clearly talking about Jesus coming again, i wonder why atheists are usually assertive on issues they know next to nothing of.

snthesis: this is like the dumbest post- eva pardon my latin
which is easier is to do create living being or repair a part of a living being

Image123: I don't want the Bible to be true. It's true whether i want it or no. You're simply misunderstanding Jesus, the Saviour of sinners. None of the disciples affirmed that Jesus would come in their lifetime. On the contrary, it appeared that they felt Jesus would come back after they were dead.
"Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? " (John 21:23).
And i said there are christians currently persecuted in Israel, i didn't say there are jewish christians running all over israel. Stop putting sly words in my mouth.

Image123: @mazaje
i'm not spinning it, simply explaining it. It's up to you to show me/us that it is wrong. You've read Revelation, you've read Peter? They corroborate what i'm saying. You're only being narrow-minded because you want the Bible to be wrong. And yes, there are christians currently persecuted in Israel, and they'd not complete a run round until Jesus comes. Maybe you think israel is the size of your village or something. I hope emofine would not scream in horror when she sees what we've done to the thread BTW.

snthesis: like seriously, you want signature marks
do u know the origin of signature marks? let me help you out, signature marks is an aspect of branding to differentiate between different competitive manufacturers. but in this case we have only one GOD, only one Creator, He is not competing with anyone. hope this helps.

good tin u mentioned back in the days< it was recorded right!!! now fast forward to today , wat do we have? Mazaje asking for the same thing< sum1 else wud ask tomorrow with even more detailed requirements yea ask EA7

brainpulse: He has a way of answering the question of the people He created if they work and follow His rules. He is the one that created you, not you that created him, you can not create any being you can only give birth to you likes. So if you want to hear him speak to you, you should be ready to do everything just as nobody can work to Oprah's show anyhow you have to do everything to talk to her(Oprah) and she also will talk to you. I have heard him talk to me before and it was an awesome experience that changed my life for good

Image123: @mazaje
To the other two passages Matthew 26v64 and Matthew 10v23. These and such-like passages are pointers to the divinity of Jesus, His omniscience, and His personality as the WORD. He used words like He was the Word. His words in the gospels reveal that He knew the gospels would be written, and He spoke not just to one, but more than one, even to all.
He spake to satan while people around could only see Peter. He spoke to spirits while people around only saw sick folk. He spoke to demons and forces while people around only saw raging waters and the insa.ne. He spoke to Nicodemus in a speciality that speaks to every man till today, saying "you MUST be born again". When He spoke to his 12disciples and the high priest(as you suppose, not imagining that 'you' could be plural as seen in the Amplified), He was speaking to all INCLUDING YOU. Revelation 1v7 is more emphatic. It says "Behold He cometh with clouds, and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM " etc including mazaje, not just the high priest. It's not limited to the death of the high priest. It's an event you will see, keep waiting. I Am

snthesis: Good , so we have defined a basis for your acceptance of a God.

assuming God did this and it was recorded in all the books of the earth, wanna bet that a few years down the line, people will refute his existence and ask Him to do it all over again. funny enough what you requested for is all around just as you requested, nothing added , nothing subtracted- verbatim, but will you see with ur eyes and believe, or hear with ur ears and understand

GOD proves his existence by the works of His hands - i.e the world around us, He created everything for you to believe in HIM, its so very simple. take a look at the creatures, the birds, the trees, the intricasies of life and be amazed at how complex but seemingly extraodrinary the thought process involved in making us and be amazed. start from the single cell and end up with a deep look at yourself, and be in awe.

lets apply some logic here- how do you prove the existence of a car maker? simple answer, by the products i.e a car. in other words a mercedes benz c class is a creation of the daimler benz group. The daimler Benz group is a God unto the Mercedes Benz C Class. the automation in that car is not up to a billionth of a fraction of the complexity in creating a single cell amoeba.

Image123: ^you're simply believing what you choose to believe in exercising your freewill. The passage is clear enough for the sincere reader.
Question: tell us, WHEN shall these things be? mark 13v4
Answer: of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son. Mark 13v32
If you have good study materials, you may also observe that verse 24 to 31 is a paragraph. And that Jesus was referencing the generation to experience the events in the paragraph. How rational is it to state VERILY in verse 30, and then go on from verse 32-37 to state UNCERTAINTY if it's the same event and people?

snthesis: i forgot to add that this thread will be interactive



back to ur question: why will he rely on me to talk to others about him on His Behalf?
its not an exclusive preserve to me, i just made myself available for His Use, merely a worker is His vineyard.

why wont he answer ppls question himself
are you suggesting a talk show? as in God is on Oprah Winfrey answering questions from people >>> is that your expectations? would you believe that He was the one?

Image123: Thank you. Neither did He say that the period will be before His disciples die, or that it would be 2000years ago. He said it severally that no man knew the time. It would be contradictory to emphasize that He told them the time.

Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mar 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the TIME is.
Mar 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Mar 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Hour there signifying period, not necessarily quarter to four or stuff like that. There are a dozen more scriptures that clearly state that the time is unknown, or if you prefer, undetermined. I would not bore you with them. Let's look through some of the scripture you've quoted though.

I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Mark 13:30
'This generation' refers to the generation that would experience all that is talked about in mark 13. Things like
Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mar 13:25 And the s[b]tars of heaven shall fall[/b], and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
These are yet to happen to the best of my knowledge. I'd explain the other two later, or perhaps on phone. My computer battery is down.

Image123: Please give me a yes or no. I need that little part clear for take off, thank you.

Image123: ^
Did Jesus say nobody knows when He'd come back, even Him?

Image123: mazaje
Where's your hope that I'd die and go to Heaven two days ago? Now, you come to mock me. I no fit tire to wait na, my superiors no tire. Plus Jesus didn't say it'd come back during the lifetime of his first twelve disciples. What He said was that no man knew the time, not even Jesus the Son of man.

Image123: That's very sweet of you mazaje. Fortunately, it's in God's hands when i die and go home. Tomorrow would be fine BTW. I wish you could also hope and pray that Jesus should come soon and put an end to this hopeless world.

musKeeto: Thank you, Sir. You expressed clearly what's been on my mind for several days now. I' like to ask a question though; do you think there's hope for the Nigerian in particular and the black race in general?

tbaba12345: This will be my last post : I hope we continue this discussion someday: because there are many other proofs of revelation.

If i chose one meaning: the excuse would be

"He chose the one that looked closest to that stage of embryonic development"

However we can see how a perfect word was chosen that covers different aspects of that stage;; It is part of the remarkable nature of this book that it incoporates all of the meanings of the word into the sentence structure and it is not not just here

the word choice astounds me all the time::: just one word is used to describe a stage: To me that is just remarkable::

Even if you say, choose one meaning:: It stills describes something that happens in that stage of development:: The attempt to link it to galen is the biggest fail of the atheist narrative:: Even a 5 year old arab boy can see the difference in the words::

I know you always try to find an explanation that excludes God: I think the delusion of the atheist viewpoint has been fairly evident here:

The attempt to try and explain the unexplainable is almost ludicrous, Conspiracy theories, unknown egyptian oral traditions; Greek deep ocean knowledge... comeon man!

It's been fun

Enjoy your weekend::

tbaba12345: He never said Islam brought peace to europe: Adnan made references to the telling contributions of the Islamic civilisation to the european: And that is a fact: No one denies that.

Olodo: the word is protected in the Arabic language: Tamida the word used is this case could mean to shake or sway: Sometimes the english language is insufficient to translate a word in the Quran and we result to sentences to capture the full meaning: Wrting a translation does not give you the chance to do that: so you select a word that captures the meaning best based on your understanding and vocabulary,

The Quran is only the Quran in the Arabic Languagr

Alaqa does mean all of that: If i favour one meaning over the other then id be dishonest

The miracle nature is the fact that one word can capture things happening simultaneously in the development of the embryo at the same time; Even during the linguistic analysis of the quran in many areas: one word can capture different ideas: a translator can only capture one at a time:

All of the meanings here are straightforward by the way::

The embry clings to the womb, suckles blood and looks worm-like

Where is the dribbling there??

tbaba12345: ^ lol:

He still won the debate and some of the points; you try to laugh off are valid:::

Different translators use different words to transmit their messages::

There is a lot of pseudo-science by muslims on the internet but the one on embryology is right on all points it talks about::

I have an early rise tomorrow::: I would respond to all your comments tomorrow::

ciao::

tbaba12345: Hamza seems to defeat all the atheists, he has faced in debates: i wonder why??

The translation used up there are from scholars not me:: the difference is interpretation....

I watched that video a while back and i can't see any owning::

Hamza is not a scholar,

The worst one can say about any physical phenomenon in the Quran is that it is ambiguous, not inaccurate::

tbaba12345: Haha!!! i was just a bit busy:: wanted to round off::

I will make it clearer now:

We clothed (kausana) the bones with flesh (lahm)

The word kasauna means: to clothe, to dress, to garb and to attire. It also carries the meanings of: to hang, to drape, to face, to line and to case. Further interpretations of the word include: to encase, to cover, to put, to slip and to give the appearance of and make look like.The word lahm means flesh, meat, or a piece of flesh or meat. (An Arabic-English Lexicon. Librairie Du Liban. 1968. Vol. 7, page 2492.)

The word kasauna denotes the migration and aggregation of the myoblasts: which organise into dorsal and ventral muscles muscle masses surrounding the developing skeleton. These physiological developments are illustrated by the meanings kasauna carries, such as: to clothe, to dress, to encase and to cover. The word lahm is not just limited to the limb muscles but also applies to the muscles masses surrounding the axial skeleton.

Barry Mitchell and Ram Sharma explain the covering of the limb skeleton:

The limb muscles differentiate from myoblasts in the proximal part of the limb bud, and soon receive their innervations from the ventral rami of the spinal nerves. The myoblasts then migrate distally and soon become organized into a dorsal and ventral muscles mass surrounding the developing skeleton, carrying their innervations with them. (Embryology: An Illustrated Colour Text. 2nd Edition. Churchill Livingstone. 2009, page 24.)

That is exactly what i mean:

What has the above got to do with anything written in the koran . . . .

John Allan and Beverley Kramer confirm

Soon after the cartilaginous models of the bones have been established, the myogenic cells, which have now become myoblasts, aggregate to form muscle masses on the ventral and dorsal aspects of the limbs. These muscle masses, the relevant compartments, form the flexors and extensors of the joints. Rotator muscles are also formed so that flexors and pronators are related and extensors and supinators are related. (The Fundamentals of Human Embryology. 2nd Edition. Wits University Press. 2010, page 148.)

The process of muscular formation is not just limited to the limbs. Once the skeletal framework is in place, muscles start to form around the developing skeleton.

The critics

Critics of the quranic description of the developing human embryo maintain that the word lahm (flesh) is not the most accurate word to use and the word adlat (muscle) is more appropriate. This approach is insubstantial because the word lahm is far more comprehensive word as it includes muscle and other aspects of flesh such as tendons and connective tissue in its meaning, all of which are involved at this stage.

John Allan and Beverley Kramer explain:

Ultimately, the muscles and tendons become attached to the bony structures so that they can produce their actions across the joints. (The Fundamentals of Human Embryology. 2nd Edition. Wits University Press. 2010, page 148.)

This statement proves the imposition against lahm to be ineffective. Simply specifying ‘muscle’ would not be comprehensive enough to describe what occurs at this stage.

Conclusion:

We clothed (kausana) the bones with flesh (lahm)

The kasauna and lahm (the key words in this stage): the migration and aggregation of the muscles cells around the developing limb and axial skeleton, to form muscles, tendons and connective tissue.