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vedaxcool: @ op well good for you, Islam lost nothing by ur conversion if there had been such conversion, for all it is worth, there are many individuals Islam can do with out. The prophet pbuh predicted that a time will come when people will openly deny God, and certainly we live in that time, I remain clear, when I read such conversion "stories" it remains their lost, as Allah gains nothing from ur belief or disbelief in him! Seeing the atheist jubilant makes laugh it validates my thoughts towards them that they suffer serious insecurity in their disbelief and are looking for a herd to make their irrational claim as normal as in we plenty wey disbelief in God! Alhamdulilah the disbelievers seek to extinguish the light of Allah, yet Allah continue to perfect his life.

Really?. . .Who is it that suffers in his/her belief more than muslims?. . .Why do mumslims kill people for apostasy?. . .People that are comfortable in their beliefs will not go about killing others in the name of their mythical god and trying to fight for him, no?. . .People that are comfortable in their beliefs will not kill apostates or persecute them. . .Why does islam encourage the killing of apostates and killing in the name of allah?. .Muslims are comfortable in their beliefs indeed. . .I laugh in arabic. . .

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The authors of the bible and koran can not be put together in the same sentence with the word Illiterate. . . .They were highly educated people with limited knowledge compared to what we know now. . . .

Logic Mind: virgin birth is the worst in my opinion.
if your fiancee came and told you a coco-and-bull story about how her belle was from a holy spirit, i dare you to believe that!
shiiiiiiiiit!

Virgin birth. . .lol. . .those that believe in miracles will not find it hard to accept that. . . .

[quote author=emöfine2]Well personally I’ve always been a little wary of this idea of compulsory love – worship me or perish sounds like extortion to me.

A being that had engineered the whole system so deliberately limited the available options to eternal subjugation or perpetual torture appears pretty conceited to me.

But I guess that's how I interpret the message.[/quote]The compulsory love thingy is kind of crazy no doubt. . .The doctrine of offering or sacrificing unto god sounds silly as well. . .Why offer or sacrifice to something or somebody that is alleged to have everything?. . .Pure nonsense. . .

This is for the atheist and agnostics in the house. . . .What religious doctrine do you dislike most and why. . . .

Mine is the apocalypse doctrine which is the belief that the world is doomed, and nothing we do will change it, and all changes we made will be removed and permanently replaced with some "god"'s version of perfection (so as to prevent anyone from wanting to make the world a better place for those here now). . . .

I also abhor the doctrine of jihad. . . . It makes killing people acceptable to people that will normally find it completely unacceptable, as long as you are indoctrinated and made to believe that your enemies are also the enemies of your god and he wants them killed, killing for god then becomes acceptable. . . .

I dislike the new pentecostal sow money and reap abundant blessing nonsense...makes me sick......

tbaba1234: All the questions on the legacy of evil thread had been answered. I would just keep repeating myself.... Not my favorite sport.

Firstly, we are looking at existence in relation to our existence.

By necessity, the creator of the universe must exist outside of it. Otherwise, we end up with the absurd conclusion that the universe created itself. Meaning it existed and didn't exist at the same time. The cause of the universe therefore has to be outside it.

We know that our universe began to exist:: This existence is independent of its creator.

Your statement does not even make scientific sense:

Before the universe there was nothingness::: where is the potential that is eternal?

False, the scientific explanation says which is what we know says that the universe began to expand from a singularity, the singularity is not nothing. . . .Its false to say before the universe, there was nothing. . .What the singularity is , we don't know and that is what scientist are trying to figure out. . .

The only eternal manifestation must be the cause of all that exists(from our perspective). We (muslims) have good reasons to believe that is God. Because the attributes this cause exhibits is coherent with the muslim definition of God.

Contradictory attributes like all merciful and justice, no?. . .Mercy means treating people better than they deserve, while justice means means to disburse the right retribution, how then can you say that allah is all merciful and a god of justice at the same time?. . . .

freshmoney: How do you react when someone wishes you an awful death? You'll be mouth-sealed? Not surprising, atheists are obtuse humans; always tongue-tied, dim-witted. I hope they get denied of all good things in life so they get taught that one doesn't mess with one's creator.

Unfortunately for you, atheists get so much of the good things in life, some of the top ten of the richest and most successful business men according to forbes are atheists. . . .You are just angry because people reject your delusions. . . .

@OP are you a deist?. . . .

freshmoney: By the blood of Jesus, I will not witness a painful death. My family and me will live to testify to the glory of God.

That road crash or some disease is not my portion. You may claim it, for all I care.

what about the hundred of millions of christians that have died and will continue to die that way? How are you better than them?. . . .The christians that get killed in various churches by boko harm nko?. . .How are you better than them?. . .

By the way why are you angry?. .

If you want to remain in the marriage then the woman must not live in the same house with you because you REALLY need time to heal and recover from the shocker. . .Try methods like IVF so that you can conceive on time since the natural way seems to be delaying. . .I hope you conceive and have a child soon so that you don't lose your respect and dignity in the house. . .My mum's friend was in the same situation as you are, only that she never had a child and the lady she brought from another town and got her educated through polytechnic is now the main woman in the house because she has 4 kids while my mum's friend has non. . .Sad. . . .I hope you conceive soon. ..

freshmoney: If any of you grows up from a core Yoruba background, you wouldn't be here saying this. I rarely see elderly people saying they are atheists. Whenever you are being attacked by evil people spiritually, if you turn to God at that time frame, I hope he rejects you; but his love is so great that he will always answer one's prayers. No wonder Atheists die mysterious death. Please stop making people join your bandwagon

Left to me, I understand that Nigerians are full of evil people that can manipulate people spiritually. As for me and my family, I will serve the Lord Almighty and he shall protect me against all evil as he has been always doing. He will multiply every thing I lay my hands upon and he will see me through in all my attempts.

Your statement is a LIE, atheist do not dies mysteriously, they die just like any other group of people, death has NOTHING to do with religious belief. . .If you have any evidence to show that atheist die mysteriously go and head and provide it(we don't deal with hear say here) else remain a liar. . .

maclatunji: Fatie, you know it- God exists!

Yeah and he is a trinity. . .Go read his word, that is the bible. . .

freshmoney: You'll never believe it until it happens to you. People like you only get close to God when you are spiritually/financially challenged. I pray you don't get to see the downside of life, then you will realise how important God is in one's life.

If you have credible evidence to support your assertions, bring it on and I will believe you. . .

freshmoney: @Mazaje: Before you start defending your belief(Atheism), how do you explain a situation of two to three people hearing steps on the stair case, hearing sounds of kitchen utensils being made use of? How do you relate a situation where someone speaks into your ears while you aren't seeing that person. It is not that I over-heard it or read it in a paper. It happened to me, really. I am not schizophrenic, neither am I delusional. None of us, 2 men and a woman, each over 30 years, is moronic.

This incident happened in my own house for quite a number of days until we prayed fervently and fasted for some days, the demons disappeared.

I will believe you when you produce a video recording of it. . .remember extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence. . .There was a program they used to be broadcast on national geographic back in the days called ghost hunter. . .Its about a skeptic that used to investigate all ghost claims and hunted houses. . .People come to him which such stories and he gives them a special tape recorder and video recorder to place in the rooms or kitchen hey claim the sound emanates from. . .Watched live 10 episodes and nothing was captured by the machines. . .sometimes the man lives in the so called haunted houses alone for weeks without experiencing anything. . .If you provide credible evidence I will believe you. . .Until then I will not accept words of mouth alone. . .After all many people above 40 years witnessed when pastor TB Joshua brought a man that was dead from over 10 hours back to life. . .

maclatunji: Fatie, you know God exists. Seek his guidance and don't mind these naughty people who just want to be seen to be different. The atheist just digs a bigger hole for himself and will eventually be buried in his own ignorance.

Just as all muslims will be buried in hell for rejecting jesus as the son of god. . .

Enigma: I agree with the red bolded. Both risibly and annoyingly they peddle utter tosh as "intellectual discussion" just because most of the audience is not sufficiently informed to be able to challenge and/or expose their nonsense. I generally ignore them and laugh at them privately and usually only get involved when some nonsense is passed off or represented as part of Christianity either ignorantly or, with the evangelical atheists in particular, fraudulently.

This deluded one actually thinks his deluded opinions matters to any body here, who cares?. . .LOL

davidylan: Again desperately comparing apples to oranges.

Pretty much all knowledge is accrued from the opinions and reasoning of others. That you believe you breathe in air is a fact that you were not born with but learnt through the scholarship of others. Ditto for my faith in the bible, agreed it is a compilation of the experiences, faith, belief and opinions of others... i dont merely parrot it, i have enough experiences of my own to be able to independently state my reasons for holding such faith.

You are a liar. . .You parrot the bible ALL the time. . .And the bible REMAINS the opinions,mythologies, thoughts, fantasies and imaginations of others. . .Tell me why you believe in Jesus without the bible for example. .With out the bible will you believe that the Jews(Your gods) were once the chosen race? Will you believe in virgin birth, 3 gods in one and all the nonsense you keep parroting all the time?. . .Can you explain what god is without the bible?. . .You have NO experience without the bible and as such you always run to it to explain what and who god is to you and to others. . .Enough of you stupid lies and meaningless yappings. . .

The OP on the other hand believes she is an atheist but is virtually unable to convince us of WHY she holds such belief. Rather she wants to read books/arguments she can then regurgitate as her own? Its much the same with many of you atheists here. There is virtually NO independent argument from any of u, just a mishmash of the incoherent thoughts of your gods.... and you dare accuse theists of being brain washed?

Another idiotic comment that is completely without any sense. . .Convince us why you are a christian without the bible. . .Deluded goon. . .

double post. . .

freshmoney: I have been closely following atheists disbelief of God here. Well, I guess it's about time asking you guys just a simple question.

Do you believe Spirit/Ghost is real?

If No, state your reasons
If yes, why don't you then believe in God?

I have had different experience of spirit encounter( Please do not say mind control here!). It was real. Very real. And some people here will testify to spirits being real.

I don't believe in ghost spirits etc. . . They don't exist. . .I do not believe in god because all gods are man made entities used by humans to explain away things and phenomena they don't know and understand or to provide supposed answers to things and concepts they want explained and can not explain it with their limited but advancing knowledge. . .I don't believe in religion because all religions are nothing but man made culture and way of life. . . .Your experience is subjective, just like that of a person that will tell you he was abducted by aliens from another planet. . .People make different claims. . .I was recently in Nigeria and one pastor I saw on one of the stations on TV was telling people how he raised one of his church members from the dead. . .The woman came and stated that she was dead for over 15 hours before he raised her from the dead. . .People making claims is not a new thing because we know that people tell lies all the time to further one agenda or the other. . .We even have a pastor here that claimed to have raised a person from the dead here. . . .

davidylan: it is quite telling that you need to read up on the opinions of others to convince your friends of your supposed point of view.

You own religion is based on what?. . .Is the bible not the writings, thoughts, imaginations, fantasies and superstitions of others?. . .What about the version of god you believe in?. . .Is it not also the ideas of others?. . .I laugh most times when people like you talk. . .I jst laugh at your reasoning. . .You ENTIRE religion and god are ideas of others and you are here yapping nonsense. . .

tbaba1234: It is one thing to question, it is another to insult and throw around names...

I am not muslim because i was born into a muslim home. Islam provides rational answers to the burning questions of life. The contentions of the atheist are incredibly shallow...

You are a muslim ONLY because you were born into the religion, if you were born into a christian family in enugu the answers that christianity provides to the burning questions of life will be what you will be espousing here. . .Islam does NOT provide any answer to any thing. . .close to 80% of the worlds population do not accept any of its answers and they are doing extremely well with out any of the answers islam provides. . .Islam provides answers yet some of the worst places to live on earth are islamic countries, eh? interesting. . .

maclatunji: Fatie, there is no amount of books you read that will divorce you from God. It is impossible, you know it in the deepest part of the bottom of your heart.

She knows deep in heart that allah is an imaginary being that lives ONLY in the imaginations of muslims that have been indoctrinated since childhood to accept that hypothesis. . .

Why do you think atheists continually make efforts to prove the 'non-existence' of God? It is because they are empty and need to antagonise to remain relevant and have any sense of worth.

Why do muslims ALWAYS try toprove that chrstianity is false, why do muslims ALWAYS use th bible to justify islam? Why d muslims ALWAYS fight for a supposedly omnipotent god?. . islam is peace yet it is responsile for wars all over the world, why? Why do muslims kill apostates?. . .hen will allah come and kill his enemies the jews and christians?. . .why does he depend on muslims to fight for him?. .Is it because he is imaginary?. .

Image123: Oh well oh well, so now we're supposed to argue the superiority of the Bible? Never mind, take your chances, i'll take mine, you were warned though.

The koran has warned you already, you will rot in hell for not believing in allah and his last messenger. . . .

Image123: Maybe you are, i'm not. It's there in the BIBLE. Abi you feign ignorance about it being a spiritual book?

Another spiritual book called the koran says you are going to hell for believing in the bible, its not a threat just a statement of fact. . .

Image123: You must have seen this coming. THE BIBLE SAYS SO. It's called a spiritual fact.

The koran says that all those that do not believe in what it says will rot in hell forever. . .spiritual fact. . .

Part of the verders say that you will reincarnate as a bat. . . .spiritual fact as well. . .

Chrisbenogor: As for you BABA I dogbale and SEMPE at the same time. Long time oh, una still get power for here.

BABAAAAAAAAAA. . . . .You just disappear commut, no be so ohh. . .How you dey brother?. . .Hope you are good? best wishes. . .

Image123: Suit yourself. Though it'ld be good if you quit living in denial, saying threats don't work on adults. Maybe its due to your lack of exposure sha, most of you think the world hangs on nl and the internet.
BTW, i'm not scaring anyone. Scaring is "you better repent or you go to hell". Those who know me on nl would know that i hardly employ that tactic. I'm simply stating facts, that anyone who says he/she does not need God anymore would regret it for all of eternity. It's part of your education.

Pls what are the "facts". . . .The sun exist is a statement of fact, you know that hell exist as a fact because?. . . . .

greateros: posts like that of Image123, sweetnecta, ishilove and rastamouse are the exact reflection of what religion stood for - threat, counter threat, use of fear of the unknown, delusional quotes from books compiled by people suffering from chronic case of schizophrenia and what not!

Human nature has this inclination to freedom hence the silent struggle to breakaway from enslavement be it religious or otherwise especially when there is a positive pointer indicating to you that your chains are man made!

3000 years ago it was the roman and Greek gods and today, very few can still remember the names of those gods!

3000 years from now, men would av been totally liberated from the chains of religious enslavement and true enlightenment would av taken root that's when men would begin to put the remaining 80% of the unused brain to use - imagine how life would be then - a life without religious deception and religion-induced problems!

@poster. from your replies, i see your conviction is grounded in pure realization and awakening - its not going to be easy so brace yourself for the attacks and insults that will follow your decision especially from relations, friends and loved ones. If possible, i will advice you to keep your new conviction to yourself for now.

Finito. . . .

Avicenna: I was born into a deeply Islamic family. I am regarded as a sort of Alfa in my area. I had my wolimat early so I know all about this. The very concept of Allah is what I do not agree with which I have therefore shunned. One thing I have realized during clinicals,is that cadaver remains cadaver just useful for medical research. I took solace in that their 'soul' is in a better place but the concept of soul itself remains unproven. I no longer believe in a Book that I was forced to accept as the truth. For instance,you quoted parts of the Quran. I do not believe in Allah from whom it came from,so I do not regard it anymore.
As for my medical studies,actually it helped reach my conclusion. Nothing has changed. I remain my kind and compassionate self.

Actually the koran came from men who wrote it and ascribed it to some invisible and imaginary deity called allah, i have repeated many many times that there is NOTHING written inside the koran that could not have been written by humans that lived during the 7th century AD. . .The claim that mohammed was an illiterate REMAINS A BIG LIE. . .The claim was made so as to deflect the charge that most of the stories in the koran were copied in the bible. . .If they come up with the lie that mohammed was an illiterate then they can claim divine revelation because an illiterate can not read the hebrew scriptures. . .Mohammed and his cronies just took already organized and established religions(christianity and judaism) worked through it and formed their own religion out of it. . .Nothing new there. . .

harakiri: I am neither married or engaged but i can tell you this. . .When you open up everything to a woman, you should be man enough to take the backlash. Dude, WOMEN TALK ALL THE TIME! ! ! The only confidential information a woman is capable of keeping to herself is damaging information about herself e.g

(1)She didn't graduate from school and has a fake degreee
(2)She has had at least one dozen abortions before she met you
(3)She still loves her ex and they communicate often
(4)She had a child at the age of 17 that is being taken care of by her parents
(5)She has contracted STD's several times before she met you
(6)Etc

These are the ONLY types of secrets a woman is capable of keeping. If you tell her how much you earn, be rest assured that all your in-laws know how much you earn. If you are having issues with your own relatives, be rest assured that her people already have that info. If your "thing" doesn't work right, be rest assured that they already know (especially her mother). If you're broke, they know. If you came home on easter night drunk, they know.

Point is, do not reveal any info to a woman that you wouldn't want shared to third parties because THEY WILL ALWAYS TALK! Just do your best to manage the situation and talk less and less about sensitive issues.

Nuff said!

So on point. . . .My woman tells her family and friends everything about us. . .It didn't come to me as a surprise cos i have had my experience with different women. . . .Women generally love to talk and will always talk. . .

@OP

Stop telling your wife things you don't want a third party to know about. . .Have a honest conversation with her and just stop telling her things you don't want a third party to know. . . .No need for divorce. . .

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I am very familiar with Hamza and his tactics. . . . .He uses the same methods christians apologist like william lane craig use. Actually he copies ALL his arguments from them, while they created the arguments he ONLY plagiarize their arguments and insert the word allah where they originally inserted yahweh in theirs. . .Why is it that muslims are NOT original and only resort to plagiarism?. .

logicboy: So you say that the bible is flawed and the koran is flawless? As an atheist, this is a joke to me. Both books are flawed.

-The Koran is worse as it borrows the failed story of Adam and Eve. How did Adam and Eve's children have children without incest?

-The Koran is one of the most impossible books to read in English. I have never read it in Arabic but the style of narration in English is just haphazard.

-Tell me, is the Koran not as sexist as the bible when it allows a muslim man to marry a non-muslim but a muslim woman can not do the same? I have a muslim girlfriend, by the way.

tbaba123 keeps repeating this LIE that there are no errors in the koran, but when you take him up on the challenge and show him there there ARE errors in the koran he resorts to some ridiculous tactics and excuses like, it wasn't translated very well in english, so he goes around picking words giving them many different meanings and using the very different meanings to apply on the same word in the context that the koran uses it, if that one fails he then resorts to say that the error is in interpretation and not from the koran itself. . . .That is what ALL muslim apologist do. . .the use this ridiculous tactics all the time. . . .They suspended logic and rationality and even throw what the koran actually says under the bus just to prove a non existent point. . .