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tbaba1234: Like i said before, so called contradictions are some people's unwillingness to use their heads: This is almost embarrassing from an atheist to bring this up: Id help you:

Alaqa does not only mean clot of blood, it means that which clings/suspends: You can check the lane's classical arabic dictionary,

if you think im lying, check lanes lexicon (written in the 1800s) check the http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume5/00000421.pdf

There are 4 meanings:
a. Hanging/suspended
b. Suckling blood
c. Leech/worm like substance
d. Blood-clot

Chapter 23 puts everything together

We created man from an essence of clay-
then We placed him as a drop of fluid in a safe place.(s-perm)
Then We made that drop of fluid into a clinging form (baby in womb)
and then We made that form into a lump of flesh, and We made that lump into bones, and We clothed those bones with flesh, and later We made him into other forms. Glory be to God the best of creators. (development of baby) (chapter 23:14)

Notice the use of the word 'then': It shows a progression:

This shows that is a progression not a contradiction: he was made from an essence of clay, after that man reproduce from the s-emen and from the reproductory process

Now lets break it down

We created man from an essence (sulaalah) of (min) clay (tin)

The word sulaalah means an extract, something drawn out or the most subtle, purest and essential constituent
(John Penrice. A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran. Dover Publications. 2004, page 70.)
(Edward William Lane. An Arabic-English Lexicon. Librairie Du Liban. 1968. Vol. 4, page 1397.) http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000121.pdf

Even the classical scholars understood this: al-Qurtubi; the 9th Century Persian historian and scholar, al-Tabari;and the 12th century Iraqi physician and historian al-Baghdadi.Significantly, other exegetes suggest these words also refer to the essential elements of the human body, which consist of various chemical components found in clay.

Oxygen, Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Calcium, Phosphorus, Potassium, Sulfur, Chlorine, Sodium, Magnesium and Silicon are all essential in the human makeup: So our essence is of clay:

Shafi Usmani (Jurist) writes: The words sulaalah means ‘extract’ and tin means ‘wet earth’ or ‘clay’ and the verse means that man was created from some special elements extracted from earth.(Shafi Usmani. Mariful Qur’an. Vol. 6, page 307.)

Hamza Tzortis states:

"The key word allowing for the above interpretation is sulaalah (extract, something drawn out etc.). This clearly indicates that it is not clay from which the human is created but an extract of clay, which alludes to the necessary chemical components required for human life. If this contention refers to the creation of Adam, then it can be addressed by referring to the Islamic theological understanding of miracles. The creation of Adam was not a natural event, rather it was a supernatural event that cannot be explained naturalistically." (Embryology in the Quran)

So man's made up of an essence of clay-

Then We made that drop of fluid into a clinging form
a. Hanging/suspended- baby clings to mothers womb

The Embryo is connected to the cytotrophoblast by a connecting stalk of extra-embryonic mesoderm (primitive connective tissue). The stalk is the forerunner of the umbilical cord. (Barry Mitchell and Ram Sharma. Embryology: An Illustrated Colour Text. 2nd Edition. Churchill Livingstone. 2009, page 2.)

Caviation of the extra-embryonic mesoderm does not occur at the connecting stalk which remains intact to suspend the developing embryo in the extra-embryonic coelom (The Fundamentals of Human Embryology. 2nd Edition. Wits University Press. 2010, page 27.)

b. Suckling blood - baby depends on mother for blood

Due to the rapid growth of the embryo during the second week, there is a need for a more efficient means of nutritional and gaseous exchange. This is achieved when the embryonic blood vessels of the chorion come into contact with the maternal blood vessels of the decidua. (Embryology: An Illustrated Colour Text. 2nd Edition. Churchill Livingstone. 2009, page 10.)

c. Leech/worm like substance- Baby gets food off mum and at some stage looks like a leech/worm.

Another membrane becomes the yolk sac, which provides nourishment for the early embryo. By 24 days, a connecting stalk appears in the middle of the now worm-like body (Dale Layman. Anatomy Demystified.2004, page 366.)


d. Blood-clot-

There is a lack of blood circulation until the third week: a primary cardio-vascular system is developed:

The heart and great vessels form from mesenchymal cells in the heart primordium-cardiogenic area. Paired, endothelium-lined channels-endocardial heart tubes-develop during the third week and fuse to form a primordial heart tube. The tubular heart joins with blood vessels in the embryo, connecting stalk, chorion, and umbilical vesicle [yolk sac] to form a primordial cardiovascular system. By the end of the third week, the blood is circulating, and the heart begins to beat on day 21 or 22. (Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 7th Edition. Saunders. 2008, page 48.)

So Man is made of an essense of clay and develops through the reproductive system (sperm drop and embryo development):

Now that is cleared: Let's move to the other "contradictions"

19:67. But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?

At some point in the history of earth, humans did not exist:
At some point the whole universe did not exist; that point is nothing. when nothing existed.

Ibn kathir says of this verse : Allah uses the beginning of creation as a proof for its repetition. This means that He, the Exalted, created the human being while he was nothing. So can he not repeat this creation after the human had actually become something Similalry Allah says;

And He it is Who originates the creation, then He will repeat it; and this is easier for Him. (30:27)

It talks of a time before creation of man when he was essentially non-existent:

Adam came from dust: The creation of adam was a miracle and does not tie to the human development process or the fact that at some point we were nothing; nonexistent....

Every "contradiction" like i said can be easily dismantled.

Please be open minded...

It is a shame i have to respond to this, even an arab christian or jew will confirm what i spoke of, about the literary genius of the Quran.

a. The controversial thesis of Hagarism is not widely accepted. The authors are even called conjectoral:: And nothing has been said to contradict the literary excellence

Josef Van Ess argued that "a refutation is perhaps unnecessary since the authors make no effort to prove it (the hypothesis of the book) in detail. , Where they are only giving a new interpretation of well-known facts, this is not decisive. But where the accepted facts are consciously put upside down, their approach is disastrous."

R. B. Searjeant informs us that "Hagarism … is not only bitterly anti-Islamic in tone, but anti-Arabian. Its superficial fancies are so ridiculous that at first one wonders if it is just a ‘leg pull’, pure ’spoof’."

David Waines, Professor of Islamic Studies Lancaster University states: "The Crone-Cook theory has been almost universally rejected. The evidence offered by the authors is far too tentative and conjectural (and possibly contradictory) to conclude that Arab-Jewish were as intimate as they would wish them to have been."

b.This does not affect the literary excellence of the book:

The creator of the everything, can swear using any of his creations

The Quran was not revealed in the form of a document or a book, but rather it was revealed by inspiration to Prophet Mohamed (saws) in the form of discourses over a period of 23 years; which the Noble Prophet (saws) recited and declared verbatim to his listerners.
Thus, in the course of revelation, at times it seems that Allah Subhanah is addressing mankind in the first person, most times it seems the Lord is addressing Prophet Mohamed (saws) as in a conversation or the second person, and at times it seems that the Merciful Lord is speaking in the third person, narrating the Truth of what transpired in the past or what will transpire in the future! All three modes of conversation have been utilized by the All-Knowing, All Wise Lord for his chosen last and final Message, which He revealed as the Book of Guidance to all mankind until the end of time.

Examples of when the Lord All-Mighty address mankind in the third person:

21. Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 255: Allah! There is no Allah but He the living the Self-subsisting Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to his creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. For He is the Most High the Supreme (in glory).
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 59 Surah Hashr verses 22-24:
22 Allah is He than whom there is no other god, Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He Most Gracious Most Merciful.
23 Allah is He than whom there is no other god, The Sovereign, The Holy One, The Source of Peace (and Perfection), The Guardian of Faith, The Preserver of Safety, The Exalted in Might, The Irresistible, The Supreme: Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.
24 He is Allah, The Creator, The Evolver, The Bestower of Forms (or colors). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: Whatever is in the heavens and on earth doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, The Wise.

This is part of the remarkable eloquence of the book.

c. Reinach Salomon did not read an Arabic Quran, He is not a literature expert, He did not like islam. He is a historian.

d. This is not a literary statement but it is worthy of a proper response.

The Yemeni government hired Gerd Puin, one of the world's leading authorities on Qur'anic historical orthography, or the study and scholarly interpretation of ancient manuscripts, to study the oldest manuscript of the Quran.

After the publication of the Atlantic Monthly by lester.

Dr. Puin himself has in fact denied all the findings that Lester ascribes to him, with the exception of occasional differences in the spelling of some words. Here is a part of Puin's letter - which he wrote to al-QaQi Isma'il al-Akwa' shortly after Lester's article - with its translation. (i could not paste the arabic here)

The important thing, thank God, is that these YemeniQur' anic fragments do not differ from those found in museums and libraries elsewhere, with the exception of details that do not touch the Qur'an itself, but are rather differences in the way words arc spelled. This phenomenon is well-known,even in the Qur'an published in Cairo in which is written:

Ibrhim next to Ibrhm
Quran next to Qrn
Simahum next to Simhum

In the oldest Yemeni Qur'anic fragments, for example, the phenomenon of not writing the vowel algis rather common. (For the Arabic text of his complete letter,see the Yemeni newspaper, ath- Thauna, issue 24.11.1419 A.H./ 11.3.1999.)


This deflates the entire controversy, dusting away the webs of intrigue that were spun around Puin's discoveries and making them a topic unworthy
of further speculation."

As regard to the Sana'a Manuscripts, there is nothing "shocking" about its discovery. At most, it is claimed that there is a fragment where the end of sura 26 is followed by 37. But this amounts to nothing, since it is permissable to place suras in any order in a partial mushaf. So this is hardly "news" or a "shocking" discovery.

dekung: This Dr. Barret or whatever he is called just told a big lie. How did he come to that conclussion? Did he conduct any experiment over time? My problem with most religious people is the speed with which they jump at any 'scientific' report, provided it supports their belief, which subjecting such postulation to critical reasoning. If children were born with faith how come they still ask questions about God? Every human being is born agnostic. S/he has no idea of anything and as s/he grows up indoctrination makes him/her believe whatever it is he finally cmes to believe. Barret claimed if children were left in the desert to raise themselves they will still worship God. Lie! The Piraha people do not even believe in any deity, they dont even care if or not one exists. They live their lives one day at a time and they can be said to be one of the happiest people on earth.
Every child is born without the knowledge of any deity until his parents tell him 'Jesus is the way, truth and life.....' or 'there is only one God and Mohammed is the messenger of that God'

tbaba1234: Given the circumstances of the quranic revelation, It was revealed over a period of 23 years in different circumstances, in times of peace and conflict, and it remains remarkably consistent.

Write a book for 23 years and see how many times your opinions change. The quran underwent no editing throughout the period, once the revelation comes, it is memorised or written by those who can write. and it is still considered the 'most eminent written manifestation' of the arabic language'.“Notwithstanding the literary excellence of some of the long pre-Islamic poems...the Qur'an is definitely on a level of its own as the most eminent written manifestation of the Arabic language.” [/i]Martin R. Zammit. A Comparative Lexical Study of Qur'anic Arabic. Brill. 2002, page 37.

I have read the bible and parts of the vedas and and there are discrepancies acknowledged even by their scholars.

Any discrepancy claimed is easily refuted. I think, an impartial sincere look at the Quran by anyone will reveal that there are none.

This challenge is not a subjective challenge, It is an objective one. The Quran is only the Quran in the arabic language... Translations do not capture the eloquence an of the book. The word choice, the sentence construction are not captured in translations. The challenge is made up of a number of points:

1. Replicate the Qur’ans literary form
2. Match the unique linguistic genre of the Qur’an
3. Select and arrange words like that of the Qur’an.
4. Select and arrange particles like that of the Qur’an.
5. Match the Qur’ans phonetic superiority.
6. Equal the frequency of rhetorical devices
7. Match the level of informativity
8. Equal the Qur’ans conciseness and flexibility

It is agreed by most scholars muslim and non-muslim that the literary form of the Quran does not fit into the genres of Arabic literature. It is beyond the bounds of the arabic literature patterns.For over a thousand years no one has met this challenge.

Forster Fitzgerald Arbuthnot, British Orientalist and translator, states:
[i]“…and that though several attempts have been made to produce a work equal to it as far as elegant writing is concerned, none has as yet succeeded.
( F. Arbuthnot, The Construction of the Bible and the Koran, London, 1885, p 5.)

Devin J. Stewart states, “Both in the Qur’an and in later saj’(literary form with rhythm and rhyme) we see that shorter saj’ is much more common, but the range in the Qur’an is greater.” (Devin J. Stewart, Saj’ in the Qur’an: Prosody and Structure, p.102.)

Taha Husayn :
“But you know that the Qur’an is not prose and that it is not verse either. It is rather Qur’an, and it cannot be called by any other name but this. It is not verse, and that is clear; for it does not bind itself to the bonds of verse. And it is not prose, for it is bound by bonds peculiar to itself, not found elsewhere; some of the binds are related to the endings of its verses, and some to that musical sound which is all its own.

I have always had an open mind; that is why i have studied the facts of most major religions. Islam is the only one that provides logical answers to all the major life questions.

queensmith: Shout when im angry...nothing wrong in that

seguun: I expected you to at least provide me with a prove from an experiment that shows the absence of antibiotics in a drink in which a fly has been dipped, all you have to say is to make a conclusion from your own words.
You've concluded on yourself the reason the scientists used ethanol was because the antibiotics cannot be released in any other liquid, this the report never claimed.
And don't try to generalise by asking me to read about how antibiotics is extracted. The DNA of a fly is different from that of a tiger, i said this because we are dealing with flies specifically.

tbaba1234: Faith in my opinion has to be backed with reason. The faith the Our'an builds in men for instance is not at all blind or arbitrary, it seeks to be substantiated by the dictates of reason and intellect. The Quran comes with its falsification tests:

Do they not consider the Qur'an [with care]? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy. (4:82)

And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura (chapter) like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers [If there are any] besides Allah, if your [doubts] are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.(2:23-24)

So for me, if you claim that this is true , there has to be evidence to back this up.

We have an inclination towards God in our natural state, but our convictions have to be made consciously and this is often times based on our biased views and prejudices.

I support your views on letting the kids understand the reasons why they do things instead of forcing them. either way the kids form their opinions based on what they are surrounded with most times.

Sometimes we need to step out of our comfort zone and really try to find truth.

Obi1kenobi: I find religious bigots (as you've exhibited) just as egotistical and proud (in a most unsubstantiated way too) and they are generally products of childhood indoctrination incapable of thinking any other way from the rigid dogmatic belief inculcated or beaten into them since birth. I can see the holistic, integrated, organic advancement of rabidly religious fanatics and god botherers in Nigeria.

All your points exhibit crass ignorance but this was the worst. Western civilization wasn't made great by what you probably purport to be the God of the Abrahamic religions. If anything Western civilization witnessed a most unprecedented revival that sent them out of the dark ages when they embraced greater secularity and recognized plurality of philosophical thought. Western creativity and ingenuity under the new found liberation from religious constraints since the rennaisance made the white race the pre-eminent race on the planet coupled with visionary leadership that learnt to seperate religion from state.

The most advanced nations on the earth are the most secular. The most impoverished nations on earth are the most religious and superstitious. Go figure why that is.


It's funny that the dominant religions in this country where absorbed from these "foolish hosts" (as you so sweetly put it). The average blackman's "love and pleasure for material things" is also a motivation for their religious fanaticism. If they are not dreaming of reaping wealth from the "seeds" they are "sowing", they're dreaming of a utopian afterlife where they'll walk gold-laden roads and live happily ever after. The black race is the most gullible and naive on the planet and are quickest to absorb EVERYTHING from their white masters including their religion and proceed to fight over it as if it's their own legacy.

In summary, you really don't know what you're talking about. I can just about cope with the god botherers disturbing my street. Just don't look to saddle your folly on everyone and moan because people don't agree with you.

seguun: Oga! it is you that don't seem to understand the report of the research, in a simple way, it is the presence of the antibiotics on the fly's surface that makes the diseases harmless to the fly. So, if the fly falls into some liquid and its cells saturates in the liquid, definitely both the diseases and the antibiotics will be released in the liquid thereby, making the diseases harmless in the liquid. My point is, if the antibiotics is present in the liquid, it will definitely make the diseases harmless unless you can prove the absence of antibiotics in the drink in which a fly has been dipped.
Mr atheist! stop being mischievous!! when did i say somebody who has cholera already should dip a fly in his water and drink to cure cholera?

tbaba1234: Every kid would undergo some kind of preconditioning , if they do not get it from parents/relatives, they get it from society and friends. Id argue that it is better kids are indoctrinated at home than outside of it. Kids do not just develop convictions, they do so based on their environment. There is another study that claims that if kids were left on an island to develop their own civilization.. They would end up worshiping something [i would look up the reference]. The belief in a divine is within us.

The signs of God are subtle: sometimes the signs come to us and we reject it even though it has already being ingrained in us.The Quran uses the word 'kafir' to describe those who disbelieve: Kafir simply means to hide, to bury, to deny the truth already ingrained within yourself. The word normally translated as verse in the quran is called 'ayat' which actually means sign.

The quran states

We have sent down to thee Manifest Signs [ayat]; and none reject them but those who are perverse.(2:99)

And how would ye deny Faith while unto you are rehearsed the Signs of Allah, and among you Lives the Messenger? Whoever holds firmly to Allah will be
shown a way that is straight. (3:101)

If one is sincere, and asks God for guidance. then guidance will come. As long as the signs are not denied.

seguun: The scientists extracting the antibiotics using ethanol does not mean there will be absence of antibiotics in the drink the fly is dipped into. That is why I asked you to provide us with any scientific experiment that proves the drink contaminates more.

The extracting and synthesising is only to make it easy to study in the lab. They are trying to know how the antibiotics can be used to treat other human health problems.
If you don't mind, show me where in the report did the scientists say there will be absence of antibiotics in any other liquid apart from ethanol?

rabzy: The fact of Jesus existence is unassailable.

seguun: Oh i see! SIMPLE LOGIC indeed!! so your simple logic tells you the diseases on the fly manifest in the drink but does not tell you the antibiotics will also manifest in the drink. Just at least be SINCERE!
In your opinion you've concluded the fly's wings are not on its surface, I continue to ask you, are they situated in its belly?
Yourself admitted it's an on going research yet you keep on jumping to conclusion. Na wa o!

seguun: Mr atheist see how you contradicted yourself, you are already concluding dipping the fly in the drink will contaminate the drink the more in one hand, and you admitted it's an ongoing research in other hand. SHOW ME THE SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT THAT PROVES DIPPING THE FLY IN THE DRINK WILL CONTAMINATE IT THE MORE?.

Even if we go by "on their surface" I still ask you is one flies wings situated in their belly?

May be I should make it clearer to you. The whole point is that a fly that carry such an amount of disease also carries the cure.
The difference between the scientists and the Prophet(saw) is that the prophet mentioned where the disease and the cure is located, the scientists say it's an ongoing research but agree the fly carries antibiotic which unknown before now.

seguun: May be I should make it clearer to you. The whole point is that a fly that carry such an amount of disease also carries the cure.
The difference between the scientists and the Prophet(saw) is that the prophet mentioned where the disease and the cure is located, the scientists say it's an ongoing research but agree the fly carries antibiotic which unknown before now.

They are not to be enticed of the things of this world only to be lured by the promise of heaven by things which are of this world or can be found in the world

Abi now.

So it’s a sin to be taken in by the pleasures of the world but if one abstains one will get to indulge in such materialism for eternity
Basically one will have to travail on earth in order to make it to a place called heaven just to find it’s basically an extension of earth
I would have thought that something that we earthly beings have not already experienced or had knowledge of would have been a more apt "reward".

At least six people have died in Britain after being told they had been healed of HIV and could stop taking their medication, Sky News has discovered.

There is evidence evangelical churches in London, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow are claiming to cure HIV through God.
Sky sent three undercover reporters to the Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN), which is based in Southwark, south London.
All of them told the pastors they were HIV positive - all were told they could be healed.
Once a month, the church has a prayer line, where people from across Europe come to be cured of all kinds of illness.


http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16117269

Then what are the odds a man like that will make such claim about flies and not rats, bees, spiders, cockroaches etc?

And mind you this is an ongoing research which means there is still room for further understanding and modification of the hypothesis, to come close to what the prophet stated some 1400years ago.

Also note that the prophet of Islam did not make this statement as a boast (like hey, come see I know science) it was part of his usual teachings as a mercy to mankind the way he taught us:
Not to drink water while standing
Not to eat with our left hand
Not sleep on our bellies or our backs but on our sides
Not to fill our stomachs with food but just eat enough for sustenance
Not to get angry
Not to walk in one shoe
Not to eat hot food
Not to eat fast
Not to urinate or defecate on the rood or in the shade
Not urinate in a standing water
Not breathe in the cup While drinking water (and I could go on and on)

Bottom line the only way he could make such a claim is either he could see into the future and read the Australian scientists' report OR HE WAS INSPIRED BY THE ALL KNOWING ALL WISE.

deols: Actually, I expected a more logical line of reasoning. TO counter my points effectively would have been to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Islam did not contribute the above to humanity. Rather you come up to say that others do better or Muslim nations fare worse than others.

It would have been understandable if your questins were on whether Muslims do take these parts of Islam seriously. To what extent they have taken to them and how effective they've been in situations where they have tried them in case of the Islamic banking, laws of inheritance and others like them.

deols: it seems to me like you lack an understanding of exactly what you were asking for. you also have your expectations and already perceived 'non-contributions' that you fail to accept anything contrary to your view. Finally, you failed to actually keep to your tone as you ended up agreeing Islam did make those contributions but just not as you waanted it to be.

you'r right

again, you agreed Islam did contribute this to humanity but can be found elsewhere

You want it judged by your idea of best. WHat exactly does best mean and did u understand my point at all? what bank do you go to with just an idea with no collateral at all.

this doesnt change the fact that Zakaat is an Islamic injuction and is specifically something Islam contributes to humanity. As a child,I watched my father put those monies into envelopes to be given to people around. You may not know how that affects their lives. they do. Imagine that everyone capable of doing that does it in the world as a matter of obligation?

how do i expect you to make sense of this when you have failed as a free thinker. Nothing free about your thoughts on the above, let alone this. Your arrogance will lead you somewhere bad if you dont change

so , you think you start travelling by buying the ticket rather than the thought to/ How may I help you o.

Like you are sure of what you are talking about. How are all the above specifically something Islam contributed to their lives? Have you ever tried finding that out?

LagosShia: the rantings of a confused soul disguising yoruba traditional religion's superstitutions and ignorance for tolerance.ive really never read the words of a man more rude than this soyinka hallucinator.comparing yoruba superstitutions and canibalism to islam.

may be he needs a hair cut for him to think stright!

Evil Brain: Don't think you can convince any witnesses to change their beliefs about the blood issue. I'm sure you are aware that they didn't arrive at their current position on blood following any kind of rational thought process. Like in all religions, they believe what they believe because they've been spoonfed by other Jehovah's witnesses. It's pure groupthink.

Personally, I don't care if they accept blood or not. If some JW chooses to die unnecessarily because of his religion, that's his right and his problem. I just want them to stop discouraging others from donating blood so that non-JWs will have a decent chance of surviving when we have accidents, difficult labours or serious illnesses.

The fact is that most JWs I've seen cave in and accept blood when told point-blank that they are, or their child is, going to die without it (I'm a doctor). This is sheer hypocrisy because those same people would have been going around preaching against blood donation and reducing the amount and quality of blood available to everyone else.

When I become president, I'm going to force everyone who publicly opposes blood donation to have "no blood" tattooed to their chest so that everyone will know not to give them blood and shorten everybody else's ration. The anti-blood people get to go to heaven early, and the rest of us get to stay here on earth a bit longer. Everybody wins!

Sweetnecta: ]It is Islam that gave the whole of the north the spine to talk about political participation, even wanting to be leader of the Nigeria, irrespective of academic achievements of the southern nigerians. What north has is Islam, the reason this person, a muslim southern man can consider them his brothers and sisters over non muslim southern man and woman. After all, I share nothing in common with the north.
The first Prime Minister of Nigeria had no University education while the southern politicians for the most part a University educated in specialized degrees suited for governance; Law, Political science, public policy, public administration, etc.

After the military rule, 1979 ushered in another non University educated president, while people with stellar qualifications had to serve under him; his vice president had Ph. D. and a renown architect. Tell me how is a grade 2 teacher training college man the boss of a Ph. D holder if it was not Islam that encourages him to seek the highest position in the land? Any quality the hausa/fulani axis has in Nigeria, and what hausaa or fulanis have in other african nations is borne on them because of what islam encouraged in man, the same way the arabs did not sit back immediately Islam of Muhammas [as] woke them from the slumber of abject poverty. They capture the persians in n time and turned them to psedo-arabs. Even Islam took over hausa/Fulani of Nigeria and many of you disbelievers even sa "Walahi" when you want people to accept that you are honest. Is walahi a hausa word? The futa jalon people "Fulanis" know that it is arabic; and if you doubt me, ask your ancestors in Mauritania; they have their fula or Polur language and "Walahi" is not part of it.

It is arrogance of slave that we make the owner number/cunt him [A yoruba adage that the ignorant man need to ask yoruba people who have time for him to explain].

seguun: [b][/b] At least you admitted flies do carry antibiotic materials, what you are only disputing is whether it is located on the wings or on the surface...I ask you is one of its wings located in its belly?
Also you forgot to add that it now established that by dipping the fly in the drink, the disease in the drink can be cured:

Wings of a Fly: The New Buzz of Antibiotics

  Written By:  Mona Al-Raqas ( Yemen Post Staff )
  Article Date: December 17, 2007 

 

The last thing that might come to mind is that we can find antibiotics on the surface of flies.  over a thousand years ago, Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) said: "If a fly falls down to your vessel, drown it then remove it, for one of its wings has the ailment and the other has the cure," [narrated by Al-Bokhari] Through this Hadith, it has been clear that a fly has bacteria in one of its wings and has the antibacterial defense in the other wing.



People of other religions found it somehow strange and difficult to believe that Muslims drown the fly into their food as they considered it something unacceptable. They believed that flies carry only diseases, and drowning it into food or drink is an unreasonable action. Although flies live on decayed food and garbage where bacteria, germs and microbes exist, Allah made the miracle on the right wing of the fly. He, the Almighty, creates the antibiotics that help annihilating all these viruses.  

In Australia, a team from the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, worked on a research to prove that flies have remarkable antimicrobial defenses. The team's leader, Dr. Joanne Clarke proved this discovery through a number of experiments.

"Our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before,” said Dr. Clarke, who presented the team’s findings at the Australian Society for Microbiological Conference in Melbourne.

She added, "We are now trying to identify the specific antibacterial compounds which will be chemically synthesized from the surface of the flies."

Another researcher from Tokyo University, Dr. Juan Alvarez Bravo confirms that in the near future "people will be astonished to find that flies are being used as antibiotics in the hospitals."

He also assures that scientists are working on the flies to get a number of effective remedies for different diseases. 

Working on this theory, scientists found that getting the remedy from flies is strange but acceptable in science. Other researchers from the United States are trying to find anti-pathogenetic ways from the flies. They also note that having the cure from the flies will be something reasonably acceptable by people the coming few years.

Researchers from Auburn University discovered a kind of protein in the saliva of the fly with ability to help recover wounds and cracked skin. Likewise, researchers from Stanford University discovered a fly substance with ability to strengthen the immunity system in human beings.

According to scientists, there is a big similarity between the heart of a fly and that of a human being, prompting them to use flies to produce a medicament for the human heart diseases.  

Again, many scientists agree that flies carry lots of diseases but never get infected because of the antimicrobial defenses found in one of their wings. 

A laboratory technician Dr. Abdulhakim al- Qobati pointed out that "this is a heavenly miracle from Allah the Almighty to put the disease and the cure in a tiny creature such as the fly."

He also clarified that the fly is a simple way to transfer diseases due to the environment that the fly used to live in. Allah Creates both the remedy and the disease in the two wings of this fly to show His Supreme Power, explained al-Qobati.

When a fly has various harmful bacteria, it needs something defensible to continue its survival and that is why Allah creates the antibacterial supplies in its body.  A fly puts its saliva into food as soon as it touches it. The fly makes some movements by its limbs from its head to its mouth to put the bacteria. Through these movements, it transfers the microbes and germs to food.    

Researches and scientists proved that in the flies' stomach there are some parasites in the form of circular cells. These cells contain of a specific enzyme. In no time, those cells spread out to the surface of the fly through the joints of its stomach. Due to an inner pressure of each cell (caused for example by drowning the fly), it explodes and results its contents in a form of a liquid spray of this enzyme which has strong properties and abilities to dissolve all microbes. By drowning the fly, the inner pressure of the cell is occurred, so the enzyme will come out and kill all the bacteria caused by the fly and this is why Islam demands drowning the fly.

The discoveries of modern researches have been revealed in the Holy Qura'n long ago, "O men! Here is a parable set forth! Listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! And if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to realize it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!” [Sura al-Haj, verse 73]

Hundred thousands of flies' types exist in the universe; however, just ten types share us living in our houses. The female fly lays down more than hundred eggs in the dung of some animals or in the garbage. After one day, the larva comes out and feeds by the surrounding environment. Two weeks later, they become full-grown flies. In four generations, one fly can lay down 1.5 million eggs, but fortunately, the majority dies due to weather circumstances or becomes food for birds and other insects.  Maximally, a fly can live for sixty days.
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The surface of flies is the last place you would expect to find antibiotics, yet that is exactly where a team of Australian researchers is concentrating their efforts.

Working on the theory that flies must have remarkable antimicrobial defences to survive rotting dung, meat and fruit, the team at the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, set out to identify those antibacterial properties manifesting at different stages of a fly's development.

"Our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before," said Ms Joanne Clarke, who presented the group's findings at the Australian Society for Microbiology Conference in Melbourne this week. The project is part of her PhD thesis.

The scientists tested four different species of fly: a house fly, a sheep blowfly, a vinegar fruit fly and the control, a Queensland fruit fly which lays its eggs in fresh fruit. These larvae do not need as much antibacterial compound because they do not come into contact with as much bacteria.

Flies go through the life stages of larvae and pupae before becoming adults. In the pupae stage, the fly is encased in a protective casing and does not feed. "We predicted they would not produce many antibiotics," said Ms Clarke.

They did not. However the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the Queensland fruit fly control).

As did all the adult fly species, including the Queensland fruit fly (which at this point requires antibacterial protection because it has contact with other flies and is mobile).

Such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "You find activity in both places," said Ms Clarke.

"The reason we concentrated on the surface is because it is a simpler extraction."

The antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract.

When this was placed in a solution with various bacteria including E.coli, Golden Staph, Candida (a yeast) and a common hospital pathogen, antibiotic action was observed every time.

"We are now trying to identify the specific antibacterial compounds," said Ms Clarke. Ultimately these will be chemically synthesised.

Because the compounds are not from bacteria, any genes conferring resistance to them may not be as easily transferred into pathogens. It is hoped this new form of antibiotics will have a longer effective therapeutic life.

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