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Deep Sight:
The existence of God is a logical and empirically verifiable construct.

Really. . .The arguments for good might sound logical, they have never been shown to be empirically verifiable. . .How many Gods created the universe and what did they use in creating the universe from nothing? provide that empirically verifiable evidence Mr deepsight. . . .

Deepsight have you watched the video i posted, it addresses the some of flaws of the kalam cosmological argument. . . .

This new nairaland is shit. . .

Nigeria has turn into Pakistan and Afghanistan. . .From hostage taking to bomb blast. . .

wirinet: Your knowledge of elementary science is worse than I had originally assumed. The core of the earth produces electromagnetic waves? Do you even know what electromagnetic waves are or how they are produced. Please tell us which range of the spectrum is produced in the earth's core and how it is produced.

Asteroids and comets hit all the planets and moons within the solar system so I do not understand your arguments concerning meteors. The last major impact was a small comet in Tunguska, Russia in 1908, and its devastation was extensive.

Please take time to learn of science issues and developments before you hit the post button.

I don't really know why he keeps displaying his lack of knowledge of science as if its something to be proud of. . .This is the same person that stated that fossils found on mountain tops are evidence for Noah's flood. . . . .

OLAADEGBU: Anyone can use the Bible to justify their evil practises.  So I wouldn't be surprised if evolutionists used it.  Let me give you an example, an atheist can use Psalm 14:1 to say that "There is no God" when he takes it out of context.



The norm is you atheist evolutionist taking the Scriptures out of its grammatical and historical context.  I quote Dr. Walter Kaiser, former president of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary and Old Testament scholar, who states:

"The laws concerning slavery in the Old Testament appear to function to moderate a practice that worked as a means of loaning money for Jewish people to one another or for handling the problem of the prisoners of war. Nowhere was the institution of slavery as such condemned; but then, neither did it have anything like the connotations it grew to have during the days of those who traded human life as if it were a mere commodity for sale. . . . In all cases the institution was closely watched and divine judgment was declared by the prophets and others for all abuses they spotted"

Job recognised that all human beings were equal before God, and that all should be treated as image-bearers of the Creator.  See Job 31:13-15.

If I have despised the cause of my male or female servant when they complained against me, what then shall I do when God rises up? When He punishes, how shall I answer Him? Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One fashion us in the womb?

Peter H. Davids, in commenting on Paul’s remarks to the slaves in his epistles, states the following:

"The church never adopted a rule that converts had to give up their slaves. Christians were not under law but under grace. Yet we read in the literature of the second century and later of many masters who upon their conversion freed their slaves. The reality stands that it is difficult to call a person a slave during the week and treat them like a brother or sister in the church. Sooner or later the implications of the kingdom they experienced in church seeped into the behavior of the masters during the week. Paul did in the end create a revolution, not one from without, but one from within, in which a changed heart produced changed behavior and through that in the end brought about social change. This change happened wherever the kingdom of God was expressed through the church, so the world could see that faith in Christ really was a transformation of the whole person"

Those consistently living out their Christian faith realise that the forced enslavement of another human being goes against the biblical teaching that all humans were created in the image of God and are of equal standing before Him (Galatians 3:28; Colossians 3:11).  The most ardent abolitionists during the past centuries were Bible-believing Christians.  People such as John Wesley, Granville Sharp, William Wilberforce, Jonathan Edwards, Jr., and Thomas Clarkson all preached against the evils of slavery and worked to bring about the abolition of the slave trade in England and North America.  Harriet Beecher Stowe conveyed this message in her famous novel Uncle Tom’s Cabin.  And of course, who can forget the change in the most famous of slave traders? John Newton, writer of "Amazing Grace," eventually became an abolitionist after his conversion to Christianity, when he embraced the truth of Scripture. (AiG).

And you will not feign ignorance that we do have servants working either for us or our parents back at home.  How did we treat them?, like equals or like slaves?

Here are what some Christians have said about the bible and its support for slavery. . . .

"Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God, it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation, it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts." Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America. 1,2

"There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral.". Rev Alexander Campbell

"The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example.", Rev. R. Furman D.D., Baptist, of South Carolina

You should be answering the question your fellows are unable to answer.  Where did the information in the DNA originate from?

You made the ridiculous claim that we all descended for one man and woman, if your claim is true then there should be DNA evidence to back it up,since there isn't then it means you are talking trash. . .

Anyone who does not know our Lord Jesus Christ experientially cannot say that they are true Christians.

People know Jesus experimentally differently with no acceptable set of rules, so your talk makes no sense. . .

FXKing2012:
I'm really at my wits end as regards these videos u keep asking of, ok do u have a video of the imaginary meteorite that wiped out dinosaurs? If u dont have the video then why do u believe in that theory? How are u even sure it was a meteor that caused the famous crater in Mexico which scientists link to the extermination of dinosaurs when u dont have a video of the meteorite hitting the earth?
There is more to life and to the world to what we see with our eyes; there is always more than what we can empirically test, pls stop this superficial and myopic way of reasoning. And simply becos u cant see something does not mean it's not there.

I have a final challenge to all atheists and if u cant take up the challenge and instead choose to keep holding on to this myopic way of reasoning then I'll conclude that all u atheists are merely arguing just for the sake of it with no real intent of finding out the truth.

No body talked about dinosaurs and meteorites, you did, so its up to you to defend that claim, who told you that I believe or accept that theory?. . .

OLAADEGBU:
You are committing the logical fallacy of question-begging epithet here.  By the way, this does not in any way address my point about the racist and white supremacist view of Charles Darwin and his croonies.

Just the way racist and white supremacist have been using the bible as their justification for slavery and segregation. . .

What you are doing here is to confuse yourself by misunderstanding the proper biblical passage in its grammatical-historical context.

I thought you claim that the bible is fresher than tomorrows newspapers and your God remains the same yesterday today and for ever?. . .So when slavery was the norm your God was there advocating slavery, right?. . .Just as when genocide was the norm your God was also there advocating genocide, your God was also in the game of advising people on how to brand their slaves, no?. . . .

Using the views of some heretical sects does not prove your point either.

The Bible does not even use the word race when it refers to people, it is the evolutionists that coined that word when it comes to describing peope groups.  The Bible describes all human beings as being of "one blood" (Acts 17:26), which shows that we are all related as we are descendants of the first man, Adam (1 Cor. 15:45), who was created in the image of God (Gen 1:26-27), and this makes us all equal in the sight of God.  We became descendants of Adam as only descendants of Adam can be saved because of Jesus Christ who is our mutual relative by blood when He died and rose again from the grave.

Where is the DNA evidence that shows that all humans descended from one man and one woman. . .There is no DNA evidence to back up your baseless assertion of all humans descending from one man so drop that nonsense. . .

We may have different opinions and that is why we have many denominations but what we have in common is our faith in the Deity, death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is foundational to our faith.  "The foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are His" (2 Tim 2:19).

False, many christians have different conception and idea of who or what God is. . .Many ascribe what ever concept they want to their God based on the bible stories and project it unto others. . .

Enigma:
@Olaadegbu

And it is not just those few you have mentioned; there is a long list of "scientists" from even before Darwin's book actually to the present day who have used the Darwinist theory or line of thinking to justify racism. And obviously, there is the eugenics debacle, Hitler etc etc etc.

Our "friends" would of course close their eyes to these.

A more general point: do you ever see our friends hold "science" responsible for Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Or for napalm use in Asia? Or its role in abortion (especially in absence of health risk to either patient or foetus)?

This is why I was pointing out the point about double-standards to kay17.

Just as many christian leaders have used the bible to justify slavery. . . .

Quotations by learned men from the 19th century:

"Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God, it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation, it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts." Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America. 1,2

"There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral.". Rev Alexander Campbell

"The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example.", Rev. R. Furman D.D., Baptist, of South Carolina

"The hope of civilization itself hangs on the defeat of Negro suffrage." A statement by a prominent 19th-century southern Presbyterian pastor, cited by Rev. Jack Rogers, moderator of the Presbyterian Church (USA).

"The doom of Ham has been branded on the form and features of his African descendants. The hand of fate has united his color and destiny. Man cannot separate what God hath joined."  United States Senator James Henry Hammond.

"If we apply sola scriptura to slavery, I'm afraid the abolitionists are on relatively weak ground. Nowhere is slavery in the Bible lambasted as an oppressive and evil institution: Vaughn Roste, United Church of Canada staff.

By the way I am not dogmatic or indoctrinated to say that science doesn't have its disadvantages, even atheism has its disadvantages and I am ever willing to accept it and state it, unlike some indoctrinated fellows here that will tell you that the universe is 6000 years old or the bible is completely without errors and contradiction based ONLY on indoctrination and nothing else. . ,

OLAADEGBU:
Read the book of this one person titled The Descent of Man, 2nd ed., New York; A. L. Burt Co., 1874, p. 178, Darwin wrote:

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes … will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla." -- Charles Darwin

And don't say that this is just the ranting of a deluded man because the quotes below shows how he has influenced disciples after himself who share the same racist thoughts.

Your God is one of the greatest advocate of slavery. . . . However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46 ). . . . .

Back in the days the white slave owners used passages in the bible to justify enslaving blacks. . . . They asked who could question the Word of God when it said, "slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling" (Ephesians 6:5), or "tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect" (Titus 2:9). . . . .Genesis 9:25-27 says that "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers. He also said, 'Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japeth live in the tents of Shem and may Canaan be his slave'. . . . . . "

Many christians traditionally believed that Canaan had settled in Africa. The believe that the dark skin of Africans became associated with this"curse of Ham." as a result slavery of Africans became religiously justifiable to many christians. . . . .

"No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathous relative has a fair field and no favor, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites." -- Thomas Huxley

And as a result Henry Fairfield Osborn, a disciple of Thomas Huxley wrote this in support of their white supremacist and human racism view:

"The Negroid stock is even more ancient than the Caucasian and Mongolians, as may be proved by an examination not only of the brain, of the hair, of the bodily characteristics, but of the instincts, the intelligence. The standard of intelligence of the average adult Negro is similar to that of the eleven-year-old-youth of the species Homo sapiens." -- Henry Fairfield Osborn

Lets read what Charles Darwin thought about science.  He thought that bears evolved to become whales.  How scientific is that?  The scientific method was formulated by a Christian who had the Bible for his inspiration, if you must know.  Here is one example from Charles Darwin’s own writings in an early edition of The Origin of Species, 1859, p. 184.

"In North America the black bear was seen by Hearne swimming for hours with widely opened mouth, thus catching, like a whale, insects in the water. Even in so extreme a case as this, if the supply of insects were constant, and if better adapted competitors did not already exist in the country, I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale"

This is the kind of bad science practiced by evolutionists and taught in schools and promoted in the media.

You bible is filled with your God advocating racism, segregation and slavery. . . .So what exactly are you talking about?. . . .

I can only speak for myself using the Scripture as my final authority not the infallible ideologies of sinful men.  Let the likes of davidylan and viaro speak for themselves.  We shall all stand or fall by the written word of God.  If the foundation be destroyed what can the righteous do?

Sure, you can only speak for yourself because that is what the whole spirituality and its brouhaha is all about. . .Just self project yourself as God and pass of your personal opinion, ideas and fantasies as the only truth. . .There is no way of establishing any truth when it comes to spirituality since everything is made up without any agreeable standard or platform to work with. . . .The same scripture you use as your final authority is the same scriptures davidylan and other christians who are old earth creationist use as their final authority, and the holy spirit told them based on the scriptures that the universe is no 6000 years old. . . .If you want to argue why not go and argue with the elusive holy spirit for sending different signals and understanding to different people with regards to the age of the universe according to their understanding of the bible stories. . .

Pastor Kun:
@Mazaje
The monuments themselves that cannot be built by modern men with all our modern technology is enough evidence that they got some help from more advanced 'beings'

Are you sure?. . .The modern man can build 100 pyramids in half the time it took the ancients to build one pyramid if he wants to. . . Yo can never compare the complexity involved building the tallest building in the world(located in Dubai) with the pyramids or any ancient monuments. . . .

plaetton:
The Vedic literatures tell of beings in Flying machines shooting weapons at each other. Imagine if you were reading these Texts 300yrs ago. I'm sure you would consider these tales to be improbable myths, Right ? But today, we do have airforce pilots in flying machines and shooting weapons at each other, don't we?

We all need to have an open mind, but that means why shouldn't call out crap for what it is. . .The Verders did not talk of flying machines as you are trying to portray here, there is a huge difference between flying wheeled chariots pulled by animals like birds and horses and flying machines. . . .The are NOT the same. . .The way you guys spin wha is written to agree with your bias says a lot as far as am concerned. . .I do NOT deny the possibility of alien life out in other parts of the universe, in fact I believe that there are some form of life forms in other parts of the universe, but as it stands now we just can not know cos of our limiting technology and equipment, but saying that they came down and helped ancient men build civilizations and monuments with out any evidence to show for it beside endless spins and twist of ancient writings and paintings is complete crap as far as am concerned and it should be called out for what it is. . . .

FXKing2012:

I'm yet to read any post with a very logical reason as to why there is no God or why we are not alone in the universe. This tells me the skeptics only hold on to their point of view either for the sake of being a rebel or for the sake of attention.

Please how have you established or proven that we are alone in the universe?. . . .No astronomer I know has ever made such a claim, as it stands right now we do NOT have the ability to know or determine if we are alone in the universe. . We currently lact the equipment and technology to know that. . . You just keep displaying your ignorance and refusing to learn, first you said we have observatories like hubble that sees light very far away but could not find any life out there, any body that knows about hubble and its mission will not be making such an ignorant statement. . .

FXKing2012:
Seriously if anyone is making baseless argument that wld be u. You see how planet earth is perfectly located and how the delicate balance that sustains life on earth is itself sustained yet u think it's just one big coincidence. Common sense is enough to make even the worst skeptic see that there is no way itz all coincidence.
THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!

Do you have a video recording of Yahweh creating the earth? Until you provide such and evidence then I will take it that you do NOT know what you are talking about. . . .Lets assume that nobody really understands gravity. If I tell you that it exists because there are invisible elephants hidden in the earth that cannot be experienced by mere mortals, the fact that you cannot disprove that theory, nor replace it with a better one, doesn't make it right. It makes it highly speculative at best, and more likely, just a convenient fiction. You can believe whatever you want and I hope that it works for you, but trying to castigate and feel somewhat superior to others for not sharing your belief and delusions is just not it . . . .Having no explanation for an event means nothing more than we don't know. That's it, we simply do not know yet. It is ignorant to conclude that God did it. There was a time we couldn't explain anything about the female reproductive cycle and back them women that had their monthly period were tagged as unclean by your God, we also couldn't explain the stars back in the days and when we couldn't your bible says that they will fall down into the earth some day and that some of them were fighting along humans in wars. . .

This man takes the opinion of one person and tries to make it seem as it it covers the opinion of every other person. . . The bible has been used for centuries to advocate slavery and segregation. . .If Christianity is all about equality then why was the bible used to advocate that system of living for centuries? Even the God of the bible is himself a strong advocate of slavery assuming the stories of the bible are true. . . . .A book whose central tenet is that unbelievers are condemned already and light(believers) and darkness(unbelievers) can not be a book used for equality, even in the mind of the deluded. . . .

There is actually no need for discussion creationism with science, since science is based on a set of guidelines that are defined and universally accepted to be true among those in the scientific community while spirituality has never been clearly defined and does not have a universally acceptable way of testing or knowledge among those that talk about it or believe in it, spirituality is a game of making things as you go. . . .Science has universally acceptable values, on the other hand no two believers in the same God will define spirituality the same way or even share the same beliefs about it, no wonder it is always called personal and involves faith, in essence it just that means people should believe what they want to based on their personal feelings and prejudice and not because it is real or has evidence to back it up. . .

The evidence is there for all to see, the cell theory or principle of flotation is the same for any body that reads it and understand it and tries to apply it in real life in constructing ships or floating bodies in water, but when it comes to spirituality, OLAADEGBU  will read the genesis creation story and conclude that the earth was created 6000 years ago in exactly 6  24 hour days, Adam was the first man and no world was every created before him, while davidylan or viaro who are christians will read the same story and conclude that the earth was created billions of years and the day mentioned is not the normal 24 hour day and there was a world that existed before Adam. .All of them will lay claim to this elusive spirituality that has never been defined and completely lack universal acceptability or adherence. . . .No two people will tell u what exactly is spirituality or even try to apply it the same way. . .Spirituality simply means making things up as you go and pretending to know things that you have absolutely no knowledge about. . .

FXKing2012:
You really do like to play around with words, dont u.
You say the Voyager mission was meant to help extraterrestrial life find us, now how is that different from us finding extraterrestrial life? Both still comes down to making contact with extraterrestrial life.
SETI was founded with the intent of eavesdropping on space using radio wave to know if anything unnatural is out there or was ever out there, yet u say it's not an attempt to find extraterrestrial life?

Seriously I think u are the one who do not understand these concepts or perhaps u are just a little confused due to 'too-know'.
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You just keep making baseless arguments, even the entry you gave from wikipedia about the voyager clearly stated that it was more of a symbolic attempt and not a real attempt at finding extraterrestrial life, have you read the limitation of the SETI? Read about it and stop regurgitating rubbish. . .As it stands right now we have NO way of knowing for sure if life exist in other parts of the universe. . .We have not yet developed that technology yet, we can only make attempts but out attempts are very limited and can not tell us for sure if life exists out there. . . .

@ Wirinet, nice to have you around. . . Best wishes. . .

noetic16:
how about posting the transcript?

Its unavailable, but it squarely addresses all the questions you have asked and all the points you have made. . .I hope you find the time to watch it, else no problem. . .

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When and where exactly did the ancient people write that some group of aliens help them in constructing anything?. . .Lets take he pyramids for example where exactly did the people write or according to which tradition does it say that aliens helped them in constructing it?

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If indeed aliens visited the earth in the past, why didn't they teach us their technology? why help build ancient monuments that serve mostly as religious monuments and leave? Why didn't they teach the ancients how to make interstellar space ships?. . .Why limit their contact and contributions to mere pyramids for example?. . . .I would have expected them to share some of their knowledge with the ancient men and teach them how to advance like they had. . .This entire argument is just ridiculous. . . .

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You are welcome mate

FXKing2012:
@MAZAJE, If u truly want your friend to be well why wldnt u wanna bring him for the service? If u truly wanna know if God can perform miracles why reject the opportunity to visit the school to see things for yourself?
How can I say orange tastes bad when I've never tasted it? If I say I dont believe in gravity then I shldnt be afraid to jump from the top of the building.

Go get you faith level increased at the healing school, come back and we will continue from there. . . .

And if u say there is no juju, are u saying all those politicians running to baba alawos are dumb? Were u in Nigeria when OPC was fighting the police some years back? Did u see what happened? Did you see how police bullets could not harm the OPC guys? What do u call that pls?

Yes all the politician running to babalawo are dumb just as Islamic militants that believe they will go to heaven when they blow themselves up. . . .The fact that many people perfrom certain acts doesn't make the acts true or real, millions of muslims gather in mecca every year to stone the devil as part of their islamic ritual, do you believe that any devil lives in saudi arabia that needs stoning?. . .Stop lying about police bullets not harming OPC guys that is a lie. . .Post the video recording or remain a liar. . . .There is NO OPC member on earth than can stop a bullet from penetrating into his body unless if he wears a bullet proof vest, the bullet misses him as a target or the bullets used are blanks. . .Remember, extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence. . .Bring any OPC member and I will come with my AK47. . .We will see how it will go. . . .

Do u know the meaning of the red handkerchief/rag members of the Nigerian army tie to their guns? Do u think the army hierarchy are dumb and dont know wat they are doing?
Think on these bro.[/b][/color]

People engaging in superstitious acts doesn't make the superstitious acts real, it only shows that people are superstitious. . . If juju is real they soldiers will not even use guns in the first place, they will use juju to fight. . With all our juju the Nigerian military is not even among the top 50 best military in the world so what exactly are you saying? If Nigeria is to go to war with a country like Russia we will lose regardless of how many red handkerchiefs are tied to guns by the Nigerian soldiers. . .You clearly do not know what you are talking about. . .

@ OP, make sure you check your facts before reporting them, most of what you wrote are urban legends written only to induce fear into people, they have nothing to do with the truth, they are mostly lies or twisted stories. . .The Campinas  story of the Brazilian lady is a hoax. . .This topic has been beaten to death and exposed as a fraud on this thread long ago. . .Here it is. . .https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-366682.0.html

FXKing2012:
I believe in Miracles. If the dead could rise, then a bone growing is nothing. Do u know that Evangelist Rehard Bunke (not too sure of the spelling), a German evangelist, raised a dead man sometimes back in Nigeria during one of his crusades. Even the doctor who certified the man dead could not believe it.

Read about the scam here. . . .http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke2.html. . . .Firstly, many people have died at Bonnke crusades. . . Why didn't he raised them from the dead?. . .Secondly, Bonnke himself needs healing because he has poor eye vision and needs a medicated glasses to correct his vision, why doesn't he heal himself first before lying about healing others, since he himself is seriously in need of healing as a result of bad eye sight?. . . .

@mazaje, It beats me how someone cld be this stubborn even in the midst of evidences. Problem is you are already so biased against miracles, so even when there is a miracle u are so quick to label it an act.

You made a claim and its up to you to provide evidence and stop crying. . .You claim a blind person and an amputee have their sight and their limbs amputated limbs restored, yet you are unable to post videos if the amputee receiving his miracle or the name and medical records of the person that was born blind the receiving his/her miracle healing. . .Provide them or remain a liar

Forget abt me and my level of faith, it's about you believing in God and your friend getting healed. So, for pete's sake, get your friend to the healing school and see if he will not get his healing. That is a very simple and fair challenge which shld put an end to all these arguments.

Your lever of faith has everything to do with it since the challenged was thrown at you. . .Stop making excuses. . .Go to the healing school and develop your own faith since its obvious that you lack faith in the bible. . . .

If u say u dont believe there is black magic or juju, pls visit south western Nigeria or even Tanzania and u will see black magic in action right before your very eyes. Pls stop living in a state of denial.[/color]

What is juju?. . . Can you post some videos of Juju in action for us to see, remember to provide evidence when making claims, unsubstantiated claims based on hear say will be tag as a lie. . .Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence, that's how its done. . .

noetic16:
I am humbled lol . . . You retain deep admiration from myself.

I am hoping to debate with mazaje again on this forum, and hopefully expose his ignorance repeatedly

Its good to be back.

Yes ohh. . . . .looking forward to that. . .

FXKing2012:
Hope u are not an atheist?

He is a christian. . . .

You have not done something yet you say the thing will not work. In philosophy we call that a fallacy.

Looking at the task in context the fallacy is yours, why don't you go to the healing school improve your your faith since you lack it and then come and retake the challenge. . . .The challenge was for you. . .Go improve on your faith since you lack faith and come back. . . .

The sick people who go to the healing school are really sick, nothing like acting. The healing sch takes place 4 times a year with thousands attending each session, so are u telling me they keep getting all these thousands of actors every session yet no one has come forward to claim that he/she was bribed/asked to act accordingly. I never knew we had that many actors in Nigeria (lol).

Many people attend but how many people born blind get to receive their sight? I assure you that any body that claims to be born blind and received                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           his/her sight back is an actor. . . . .Stop making claims that you can not back up, just provide the name of just one of the people that was born blind or whose amputated limbs was restored as you claimed. . .Persons name, name of hospital and medical records will do. . .Else the nonsense you have spewed remains a lie. . . .

Are u even aware people come from all over the world for the program. So are u telling me the church also connives with all those westerners u see there? Remember westerners are the most skeptical set of ipeople and they will never believe anything unless they see it wt their eyes. So for them to believe that shld tell u smthing
You are outside and judging what happens inside, does that make much sense? You have not been there to witness these things for yourself yet u condemn it. There are some u dont even need a medical report cos they are obvious for everyone to see. An example is a lame/paralysed person or even an slowpoke

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So what if people come from all over the world?. . . .Many westerners are equally deluded and superstitious, after all the religion you are practicing was brought to you by the westerners. . . .Its very false when you say that westerners will never believe something unless they see it since very many of them are religious and superstitious as well a lot of them still believe in witches, ghost, ferries, magic, Gods etc. . . .People can pretend to be paralyzed. . .Go through  SirJohn's topics(a nairaland member), he once exposed the sham that is the healing school here on nairaland. . . .Here is the topic. . .https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-193649.0.html

noetic16:
1. whats the basis of this affirmation? considering that you are yet to produce any empirical evidence to suggest that Yahweh does not exist? how do you explain the esoteric personal experiences of millions of people the world over, who attest to the existence of Yahweh? To state that Yahweh is a man-made creation acknowledges His existence, what differs is the cause of His existence.

2. You are being unscientific and superstitious here. Within the limits of science we can analyse IFA, the yoruba god of divination. Through the penchant ability of its adherents to seek its counsel about future events or the causes of present events or solutions to problems. We can hence, assert that IFA exists because it adherents (babalawo) are able to communicate its (IFA) thoughts to us, many of these communication is personalised and hence true in individualistic sense. By all rationality, IFA exists and so does Yahweh.

3. However, you are free to choose to disbelieve the existence of Yahweh. All I ask is . . . .Where is your evidence that supports your assertion?

4. Why the universe was created is quite different from who created it. perhaps if we can agree that the universe if the product of superior-intelligence then we can infer that it does have a creation. what are the chances that a jeep has no manufacturer?

Here is a video that answers all the questions you asked.  .It is titled Gods do not exist, I hope you find time to watch it. . ,

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noetic16:
^^^^ mazaje, i hail oooo

My man is BACK!. . .How far my man. . . .I dey hail well well ohh. . .Hope you are good out there?. . .

FXKing2012:
I have faith but my faith may not be enough to restore your friend's arm. I can pray for you and cause changes in your finances, I can pray for u and nullify nightmares, curses, etc. Again I have shown u from the Bible that there are different levels of faith

Why don't you go to the healing school and increase your own faith so that you can heal others as promised. . .

Below is a link to the videos u requested. These are videos of people with different ailments who got their healing after being prayed for. They come with doctors' report before and after the miracle.
http://www.enterthehealingschool.org/index/itv/index.php?v=61

I'm highly disappointed you could on take on my challenge. I really want your friend to be well.

Your challenge is a joke. . .It will never work and you know it. . .The people in the video you sent are all actors and liars, I want you to drop the name of just one person that was born blind, pictures of the person when he/she was blind, independent medical reports form doctors that confirm that the person is blind, and the video of the person when he/she was receiving the healing. . .Only then will I know that you know what you are talking about. . .