₦airaland Forum

denex:
Can we just abandon tribal issues?

What kind of reasoning is best tribe?

Is it their fault? is'nt that Nigeria's idea of the best candidate for President, chief of army staff, inspector general of police etc.

Ehindero bought those houses with his literary works

He has written and sold more books that Wole Soyinka and Chinua Achebe put together.

Has Ehindero stopped playing golf in IBB golf club

Nothing dey happen the man go soon start him UN-JoB.

Na today

denex

South East, South West and the whole North are as beautiful as Europe.

While South South the region that provides the golden egg is like Darfur in Sudan

Mamajama:
Fine if it makes you sleep better it is what it is

should consider that as an acceptance of guilt and that you have admited being a tribalist yourself and wrongly accusing people of what you are?

Mamajama:
Dude cool your heels, I had Info on who the IGP was going to be, and as things developed I didn't want to be quoted as letting the cat out of the bag, I wanted peoples opinion if Igbo man can be trusted with the security of the nation. [b]this were the issues raised in the selection process that I heard about.[/b] Duh

If you actually typed the bit in bold why is the caption of your first post "this is for the tribalist".
Man you need to start listening to yourself mate.

@topic

Before May 29, you posted a thread here which read "Igbo IGP a joke". When Aso Rock did all their obvious drama which was so glarring as you even foresaw it. You still have the audacity to call those who criticized Aso Rock tribalist.

Mamajama, forget the fact that the Igbos are at the recieving end here because in our society it is politically incorrect to argue anything in favour of Igbos in our society.

Lets apply common sense, does your argument on this issue conform to logic

The aggressive nature of the Igbos in bussiness is the future of SMEs in Nigeria if managed and exploited very well. It should be appreciated not demonised.

Go and ask the world's most successful CEOs they are very blunt and ruthless. Thank you.

The truth is that every tribe in Nigeria has a view about the other tribe. It takes maturity and exposure to realise that every tribe has its qualities and faults.

But when people who are meant to be educated begin to hold myopic prejudice against others it is just shameful.

For too long I chose not to be abusive on Nairaland, but lately I poured out all I knew about someones tribe when he attempted to play his politics of "Igbos are his problems". To prove my point.

Nigeria is such a diverse Nation with different culture and religion, the only common culture across cultural devide is "hatred for the Igbos"
Why has a Nation chosen to toe this path, they accuse us for the War. The issues our forefathers argued about that led to that war is still hauntingus as a Nation.

Yet Nigeria and Nigerians will not change its ways and stop hating. They have hated and blamed a particular ethnic group for all their problems for 40yrs yet our country has not been a stable and industrialized economy as a result of that.

Is'nt it about time people stop hating and respects other people's fundamental human right.

Mamajama:
Sharing my personall views on IGBO man and their character is not insulting to me, take it how you want it. it's my constitutional right to speak my mind.

I guess it is also the constitutional right of a white american to call you niger and make racist abuse on you because he has freedom of speech.
God knows the kind of Lawyer you will make when you round up your Law Degree.

well my brother if you wait for when you solve Nigeria's pressing issues before you invest, then get ready never to invest. Because people will not stop being hungry, people will not stop needing improved education because the definition of quality education evolves.

While there is need to address the basics there is also needs to address the long term projects. Such long term projects drives the little things that put food on the table for ordinary Nigerians, such long term projects are mainly in the domain of Federal Governments.

The little things that affect our lives should be provided by LGA chairmen and Governors but they are not doing it.

Are u aware of Niger-Delta University?? sited in Bayelsa

The facilities in the University when it was built can only compare to Igbenidion University.

Besides that there are Universities in Abraka, Ekpoma, Ambruce Ali in Delta
That being said they can upgrade Universities in Nigeria to World Class standard

But that should not nullify the essence of the satelite in space. There is a lot we need to do with that satelite

Like having video coverage of all the pipeline Network in nigeria for security and tracking down militants with the help of cutting edge technology.
Our police need to go digital to fight crime.

I hold the view that Niger-Delta crisis will be better managed with Asari out there than Asari is Prison. At least he is educated, attended Unical where he studied Law until got rusticated for activism. His dad is a high court Judge so he could be easier to negotiate with than the likes of Jomo Gbomo, Ateke, Prince Igodo or Soboma George.

He could also understand more the meaning of threats than those other guys who have been unable to put the different splinter groups in check. So maybe he should be released.

However, we must note that Nigeria is not Britain where they debate in house of commons before they can hold terrorist for up to 28days.

We have to put into consideration the position of our Law on this matter.  If our law allows his being put behind bars if Nigeria thinks he is a threat to National Security, there nothing anyone can do about it.

In 1998 he was VP to the IYC to make the kiama declaration, by 2001 he led the IYC to pursue self determination by every means necessary, in 2004 he formed NDPVF which declared an all out war against the Nigerian state. He is a self confessed admirer of Osama Bin Laden which is against Nigeria's policy of global terrorism. He confessed publicly and speculations are rife that he might have financial links with al-qaeda.
He has made comments and involved in activities that amounts to Treason.

Whether he gets Presidential amnesty is entirely up to Yar'adua and the President must not be bullied to do that. But first Asari-Dokubo has to grow up and guard his utterances.

then better call on confederation, Nigeria as it is now has a President who is the President of Nigeria not president of niger-delta or south-south.

As a matter of fact, the govt of Nigeria is not even looking after people of other zones at the moment and they are not feeding on dust.

wan naijaria 

1. There is saying that "you can only circumnavigate a peper (chili) tree you can't climb it"

2. There is another one that "it is only a mad man that attempts to block two parallel roads at the same time"


Goodmorning Nigeria  [/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000][color=#990000][/color]

angel 101

I have read your two posts on this issue, I beg to suggest that I am not clear your stance on this issue.

You have been talking about discussing the issues, if you are ready we could have an honest debate about this issue.

You see, you dont solve problems by merely throwing money at them. There needs to be a well thought out plan.

The truth is, there is no point trading blames here and there. Within the present Nigerian structure there could be a way to better the lives of the citizenry or better still we can choose to adop another structure.

As far as am concerned the under-development witnessed in Niger-Delta is also withnessed in other parts of the country. The way out of this is by a proactive fight against corruption.
1.Let the members of the public be aware of allocation given to state governments monthly,
2.let state govs/LGA chairmen come up with planned projects for their people which will be vetted by an independent body to ensure that the budget is commensurate to work expected to be delivered
3. let there be periodic milestones set by every State and Local Government on which their progress will be assessed by and independent audit body.
If corruption allegation is established, appropriate punitive measures should be taken. It is also import to either strike out the immunity clause or put a condition that gives govt agents the right to charge elected governors.
(immagine a company where the CEO can not querry first line managers, how will such company succeed)

With such policies govt everywhere in the country at every level will be up to speed to deliver dividends of democracy to their people.

It is not about 13%, 25% or 50% derivations. All those are nonsense as long as the necessary structure has not been put in place to ensure accountability. That will only make more money available for Celestine Omehia to buy 2 jets as against 1 bought by Odili, that will only make more Money available for Uduaghan to sponsor all the Presidential Candidates accross the different political parties as against Ibori who sponsored only that of PDP. All of which has no values in the lives of Niger-Delta people.

Besides that the NDDC should be empowered to among other roles it has been playing in the past become some sort of audit body that keeps a close watch on Niger-Delta Govs to ensure they deliver on their promises and are not mis-appropriating funds while their people wallow in poverty.

There should be Youth rehabilitation, the militants should be adopted in the army and sent on assignments up North like Kaduna or maidugiri where they will be kept in close watch. Because I do not think those boys can easily on their own drop their guns and start earning N50,000 when they were counting dollars by merely kidnaping white men. Besides that if they are close to home they could be tempted to go back to their old ways.

On the part of President Yaradua, he has to broaden his projects in South-South to other six geo-political zones as there is poverty in the land across all zones. Neglecting all other zones to deal with Niger-Delta issue alone is simply brewing youth restiveness of the future.

However as an alternative, Nigeria should be restructured to a confedration and let each zone manage its own resources so that no one blames anyone else for her problems.

You are back to the same issues, when I start defending them you start getting angry

The problem with Niger-Delta is the same as the problem in every other part of Nigeria.
The ruling elite class in the North held power for so long and this nation achieved nothing. As a matter of fact it will not even be very fair to blame the whole North for this because there are as poor as hungry people on the streets of Mina, Kaduna, Katsina, Ogun just like we have everywhere.

But I get tempted to blame the North sometimes because they tend to buy the deciet sold to them in the name of ethnic and religous interest. But they in all honesty don't believe in them. That is the major problem with Nigeria.

My annoyance with you is that you singled out the Igbos to discuss them because they are your common denominator in Nigeria. The only common culture accross ethnic and religous devides in nigeria is hatred for the Igbos.

Since 1970 there has been no Igbo as Nigerian leader, none as chief of Army Staff or whatever. Why can't you lay the blames on the tables of those who have been at the helm of affairs in Nigeria and leave the Igbos alone.

IBB, Buhari, Shagari, Obasonjo, Murtala Mohamed, Abacha, Abdusalanmi Abubakar, Yaradua, these were your leaders in the past 40years. None is Igbo.
The recent Rifinery sold to Femi Otedola and Aliko Dangote, they are not Igbos.

So why can't you guys learn to discuss your problems and the way forward for you and leave the Igbos out of it.

In the Present Government, Vice President, Chief of Air Staff, Chief of Defence Staff, Inspectoral General of Police,  are from the South-South. These are very vital positions, the igbos can not boast of any of the position yet people will not stop demonising the Igbos. Even the PDP Chairman they zoned to South-East has not even come to us meaning that at the instance we have nothing.
Yet people like you will not let the Igbos be.

I honestly did not even picture where Akwa Ibom is relative to Ondo State.
This story is like to be a farce

ono:
McKren,
All these your rantings makes no tangible contribution to the issues at hand. See, I have many friends from your ethinic group, I respect them and I will not like you to turn this thread to another ethnic bashing one. And I observe, during the course of our discussion, that you veered off the main line of thought - like spinning out of control. You became very angry over nothing. It will be fruitless joining issues with you again on this one. Maybe when another topic springs up somewhere we can discuss reasonably. So, like I said earlier, if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute again, please back off.

You don't seem to understand that you started it by mentioning Igbos in your thread.
May be you don't even know when you abuse the Igbos because you guys have become so used to it.
You claim to have respect for your Igbo friends but I don't think you do, otherwise coming to the internet to initiate unprovoked attackes against their tribe will not be your pass time.
The first set of politicians who back your plight are Igbos yet they are the ones you are so happy to crucify for all your problems.

@Ogb
For the guy who is dreaming of kidnapping Mckren, sorry am not available for thieves to kidnap. I am not an oil worker.
Besides that I like to advice you that your honey moon will be over the day it becomes obvious that Nigerians are your major target for kidnap. Past crisis in our country have shown that no ethnic group or geo-political zone has monopoly of brutality. A word is enough for the wise.

Affluent Nigerians with children in primary and post-primary schools in Lagos State and its environs may have been the latest target of hostage-takers in the Niger-Delta region. This is following the recent abduction of a five-year-old girl, Chiloka Madubugwu, by some hoodlums from a private school (names withheld), in Orile-Iganmu area of the state.


Sunday Tribune investigations revealed that no sooner than the girl was kidnapped that her abductors transported her to Port Harcourt, Rivers State, called her father, Mr Jude Madubugwu, and demanded for the sum of N3million as ransom for her release, failure which she would be slaughtered.


However, Sunday Tribune was informed by an authoritative family source that prior to the telephone call by the hoodlums, who were still at large as at the time of filing this report , the family lawyers of the Madubugwus, Messers Festus Keyamo and Co, advised them to be on the look out for any strange call, papers on their wall or doors and gate among others since cases of kidnapping and demand for ransom had become so rampant in the country.


Accordingly, the source, who craved for anonymity at the weekend, added that true to type, a strange call came the following day from somebody who gave his name as Master Butchery, just as it stated further that the so-called Master Butchery gave an instruction that the parents of the victim should pay N3million.


Speaking further, the source said, “before the father of the five-year-old girl could ask who the caller was, the caller switched off the phone only to call back the following day, requesting that the girl’s class teacher who had been arrested by the police over the incident, be released forthwith, as not releasing the teacher immediately amounted to risking the life of the kid.”


ST findings further revealed that when Master Butchery was asked on the mode of payment, he was said to have told the father of Chiloka that he shouldn’t be faster than his shadow while stressing that every necessary detail on how it would be paid would be given to Mr. Madubugwu shortly.


Meanwhile, Mr. Madubugwu was alleged to have paid the said N1million ransom for the release of his child to a newly opened account owned by one Kingsley Abu at Aba branch of a new generation bank, as the kidnappers were said to have withdrawn the money at the Port-Harcourt branch of the same bank later after which the girl was dumped at a branch of a eatery in Port Harcourt, Rivers State, where a pastor friend of the Madubugwu had gone to pick up the girl.


Consequently, when Sunday Tribune visited the school for confirmation of the story, the headmaster of the nursery and primary school said it was true.


He, however, pointed out that the school authorities had even before the incident put in place security measures to prevent such an unfortunate incident. However, when he was asked why the school security guards and teachers had to allow the hoodlums to take away the child before the arrival of her parents on that fateful day, he said he had no answer to that.

Leave Niger Delta, Britons urged

Nigerian militants have been responsible for kidnappings
Britons have been advised by the UK government to leave three states in Nigeria's oil-producing Niger Delta.
In updates to travel advice on the Foreign Office website, citizens were warned that Bayelsa, Delta and Rivers States are unsafe.

The site states this is because of the very high risk of kidnapping, armed robbery and other armed attacks.

A Briton was one of four foreign oil workers kidnapped in Port Harcourt, capital of Rivers State, last week.

Since January last year, 31 British nationals and more than 180 foreigners have been kidnapped in the area. One Briton has been killed.

I think the oil companies have to look seriously at whether or not they can continue to work there

Labour MP Frank Doran

In its travel advice, the Foreign Office says British nationals who do stay in the region do so at their own risk.

It states this is because "of the very high risk of kidnapping, armed robbery and other armed attacks in these areas".

It also advises those who do stay in the three states that they are doing so "at their own risk" and says they should take professional security advice.

Coastal attacks

Most foreigners who go to the area, such as oil workers, already travel there with armed police escorts.

Recent attacks in the area have led to a 25% cut in Nigeria's oil production.



Those on ships and oil rigs off the coast of the Delta should also be aware of the "high risk of kidnappings and other armed attacks", the Foreign Office said.

Aberdeen North Labour MP Frank Doran, who has campaigned for tougher travel advice for oil workers travelling to the region, said the situation had become "very, very serious".

The UK government, the Nigerian government and private security firms could not guarantee the safety of Britons, he said.

He added: "I think the oil companies have to look seriously at whether or not they can continue to work there."

Oil company Royal Dutch Shell said it would support the relocation of its expatriate staff based in the Niger Delta who wished to leave.

In a statement it said: "The safety of our staff is our primary concern and we continually review our security measures and take a precautionary approach

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6734173.stm

NIGERIA
Shell offers to move workers
Royal Dutch Shell said it would relocate any expatriate employees who want to leave Nigeria's oil-producing region after the U.K. issued a new travel warning about the area.

"We have decided that we will support the relocation of those expatriate staff members who are based in the Niger Delta and wish to leave," Shell spokeswoman Eurwen Thomas said Friday in an interview from London.

The relocation applies to any foreign national working for Shell in the Niger Delta, not just British workers, she said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/4875522.html

Julius Berger pulls out of PH airport contract
Hopes of quick resumption of flight operations into the Port-Harcourt International Airport appear dimmed following the withdrawal of the main contractor, Julius Berger Plc from site. The company, which is handling the resurfacing of the airport runway, airfield lighting and other civil works, was said to have withdrawn from the site due to the upsurge in of hostage-taking by Niger Deltan militants. Spokesman for the Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria (FAAN), Akin Olukunle who confirmed the development to journalists on Tuesday, said the construction firm had completed about 35 per cent of work before pulling out, assuring however that the project would be completed as scheduled. Olukunle said: "They have done 35 per cent of the job, and we are hopeful that they will return to work because of the intervention of Mr. President in the Niger-Delta crisis. It is true that they pulled out because of hostage taking." He stated that FAAN was waiting for Federal Government's approval for the expansion of the apron of the airport and the airfield lighting to Category Three. The airport was closed down early last year for total refurbishment and provision of security

ayefele200:
i agree with that but disagrre again, imagine OBASANJO in suit,, imagine how awful and irritating he;s going to be, or all those glutton leaders, with fat belly, i think AGBADA, is still the best,

That is why I suggest they should wear whatever they are comfortable with.
Not disguising it  as National Identity or interest, there are more important National Intersts we jeorpadize.

Look at Governor of Cross River State, he did not wear their traditional attire to public functions but yet he arguably performed more than any Governor in Nigeria.

Leadership is not about trivialising issues and playing on cheap sentiments to score cheap political points.

As far as am concerned, its not enough to wear agbada to International Fora.
Displaying love for Nigeria but at the slightest opportunity we will betray our National Interest, at the slightest opportunity they will bank our money in Swiss Banks.

National Identity and Interests is not about wearing Agbada.
Why I do not subscribe to compelling them to wear suits. I think they should wear whatever they find comfortable including suits.

achike:
look at this yoruba want to be .anyway this is good news.

Sorry but what do you find good about this news??

really is xtycod from Akwa Ibom, may be this is one of the reasons he likes casting aspersions on Yorubas.

While not trying to overflog issues here, I will dwell on each of the points raised by Levi.

1. An eerie and deliberately skewed policy of national development in which non-oil producing areas of the country receive federal attention and infrastructure more than the oil-producing states.

It has been established beyond reasonable doubt that the Nigerian state (herein called the majority ethnic conflagaration in Nigeria), after the discovery of crude oil in commercial quantities in the Delta, decided that whatever proceed is realised from the sale of crude would be used in transforming the lives and areas of the people in the majority ethinc groups in the country, first, before any other tribe can share of the proceeds from the sale of crude oil. So, they went about exploiting and plundering the resources of the Delta people without the consent and approval of the people of the area. They armed a handful of selfish ones among the delta people and used them against their people in achieveing their objectives.

At the height of this injustice is the promulgation of Decrees that were destructive, dehumanising and completely immoral in the late 70s by the then Head of state - General Olusegun Obasanjo. He later metamorphosed into Babacratic OBJ in 1999 and never repeal those draconian laws throughout the duration of his stay as President. This is for obvious reasons: The continuos plundering of the resources of the Niger Delta people for the benefit of the majority ethnic groups.

The Igbos went to war with the Nigerian state because of crude oil deposits in the Delta. They want complete and unhindered ownership of the resources there. But their greed was met with the ''might'' of the Nigerian state. They were forced to settle the matter out of the war front.

I am happy you are getting angry that is the very essence of my attack, i don't do war of words on nairaland but have chosen to on this occasion and it is working.
Talking about the Yorubas or Hausas not defending themselves, the above post by you reminds you how Igbos or no Igbos came in here. I did not type it you did. You guys will never learn to leave Igbos alone.

You guys do not reap where you did not sow but chose to accept other people's properties to  mortgage your own future, are you not ashamed of yourself

Look at the boys who are your freedom fighters, Ateke Tom, Soboma George, Prince igodo. These are retired thieves and pick pockets of yesteryears.
Tell them their game is up, Nigerians are no longer intrested in hearing their criminality diguised as strugle for freedom.
They are thieves they should go find a legitimate bussiness.

Aberdeen the oil capital of Europe does not pay oil benefits to people of Aberdeen, Huston the oil capital of US does not pay oil benefits to people of Houston in Texas. They all have one soverignty and the cental government manages the resources.
What did you sow? did your forefathers plant the oil in the Niger-delta??

The problem of Niger-Delta and Nigeria as a whole is one of poor governance, the Governors and LGA chaimen in your states are not Yorubas, Hausas or Igbos. Poor Governance is suffered everywhere in Nigeria. So why can't we have peace.??
make we hear something abeg

If you feel so bad about the war, and the fact that your forefathers wanted to reap where they did not sow (which is one of the reasons your tribe is roaming all over Nigeria building castles in the air), try fighting the Federal forces again to prove them wrong!

You feel so good about the war why are you guys deploying thieves to make Nigeria unattractive for foreigners. British High commision has warned its citizens from your state, Shell is offering to relocate expatriate staffs, God help us if all the Oyibos go they will resort to kidnapping Nigerians that are well off.
shame what a cheap way of making ends meet.

You and your people are building castles in space cos you do not know what you are fighting for, you are fighting for local contro of resources yet you celebrate the present structure of Nigeria. Does that look to you like knowing what you are doing?

another 100years??
40years has gone and nothing has been achieved.

This country once exported Coal and its in other regions, the world is going green. Soon Uranium will be the world's hottest comodity. Nigeria's Uranium deposit is not in the South-South so I don't know why all the noise about oil.

If Nigeria want local control of resources by each geo-political zone, the South-east will be the first to embrace it because we are self sufficient.

I like it when you now talk like this; exhibiting the double-speak attitude of the typical Igbo man. You were not fighting for oil but for your freedom, before now. But now, you're fighting for oil and others took over ''your'' oil. Abeg, make we hear word!

I also like the way you reason like a clueless and brainwashed riverrine fellow. You started the gospel of Igbos were fighting for oil and I am reminding you that those who you claimed were not fighting for oil shared the oil wells among themselves, the same people are those who stoutly opposed 25% derivation in the National Assembly. Yet you keep on presenting baseless arguments.

The properties in Portharcourt was paid for by the FG. You guys willingly accepted the pennies and pounds given to you in return for all those 1930 - 60 buildings [ I doubt if any of such buildings still exists] Besides, Portharcourt has grown so large now, we can easily accept to give you guys some plots of lands elsewhere to compensate you for your loss - if you don't push too hard.

Which corroborates my earlier fact that your lazy forefathers were duely rewarded for their betrayal.
Even at that, the Igbos have still bought back most of those properties from you in PH. They still own more properties in PH. So which do you want to give back to them?

That we will die of hunger without oil is a childish conclusion from you

Tell me what else you can do other than fight for oil benefits, Nigeria's best academics are not from the South-South, you are not known for trade and commerce, you are not known for agriculture.
The so-called fish farming you want to lay claims to, yes Nature has provided you natural resouces to it yet people are too lazy to exploit it.

I simply don't know why you guys feel so special?

exhibiting the double-speak attitude of the typical Igbo man

There you go again, double-speaking a typical attribute of the igbo man. You dont.
You are praying for a head on fight between the two major tribes so that you get what is truly yours, yet you are here preaching the gospel of unity and One Nigeria.
In this case double-Speaking is an understatement, this is clear hypocrisy.

Was Nigeria divided when Isaac Boro started his struggle, everybody seems to be fighting for unity of Nigeria. God knows what that unity means.
The Igbos were fighting for oil, the North who were not fighting for oil when the war ended the shared oil wells among themselves, the Northern Generals.

And your for fathers were so contended with the free properties they were given that belonged to the Igbos. They were not back stabbed they were rightly given their share. What else can a group of lazy fellows want.

Without oil you guys will die of hunger in nigeria.

It's true that we went into that war with the intention of uniting the country. We have been stabbed in the back by those whom we thought have our best interests at heart

Congratulations!!!!!!! It took you 40years to realise that, it will take another 40years to redirect your struggle against those who are marginalising you and leave the Igbos alone.

That was how in the run-up to last election the South-East led by the likes of Iwuanyawu was liasing with South-South people on how to produce a common candidate. Most people in South-East have already given in to a South-South Presidency.
Edwin Clark came out from no-where and started talking about old allegiance to the North. I began to wonder what the basis of that alliance was??
If Goodluck likes he should not play his card well, if he keeps on playing politics of "Igbos are his problem" we will rather ensure that a Yoruba man becomes President instead of him.

The victors are those you trusted, what are you fighting for then

The truth is that you are in a battle in which you don't even know your enemies. You are simply on a wide goose chase.

Go and research when 13% derivation was voted for in the National Assembly, go and research those who supported it and those who stood against it.
We are not afraid of different geo-political zones controling their own resources yet you prefer to blame Igbos. Tell me how we benefit from the oil in the Delta, tell me who has been in control of oil wells in this country.

You guys have no clue what you are doing.