₦airaland Forum

searchlight:
but guy let's be realistic. if you think that the north will vote APC Yoruba candidate against a northern PDP candidate come 2023 then you really don't have sense. if you think Yoruba can be president without the support of SE and SS then you are a BINGO. north voted Jonathan in 2011 yes and that was when Nigerian still have an atom of unity in her. when we tell you that Nigeria has never been this divided you called us name. the result is that each region will vote their person. when buhari was running a regional govt you hailed him while we complain and then you thought you were doing us now you know you are doing yourself. In a nearby future a southerner will not win election in the north. that's the consequences of buharis govt. your stupidity will surely come to hunt you

PaChukwudi44:
No one said she should not expose their names.The koko here was " why did she try to hide the name of Drug pusher Kudirat Afolayan?

Generalnomercy:
You need psychiatric examination...

Them no born tinubu well.

he should chase Igbos out of Lagos since he has power.

pazienza:
Apart from the now failed president Buhari, name another president that won with Yoruba support and was fully installed?

Yoruba hate speech started from Akintola and his Yoruba ronu IGBO hate speech. Tinubu and your Oba Lil Wayne had continued where Awolowo and Akintola stopped. Children of hate will always hate.

OBJ won the presidential elections twice with IGBO block votes, same with Yaradua once and GEJ once.

FOLYKAZE:
You are right. One will get full understanding of Yoruba words when we don't interpret it literally. That is how it applies even in our day to day word usage.

I deducted the Human evolution majorly from Ifa verse. Thing I created a thread about it in the religion section but it is missing after nairaland data lose. No thanks to Seun.

The creation stories in different cultures always start with appearance of light. Also religion captured light. But in Yoruba story, Obatala was mentioned at the first person to start up physical world creation. As we know, Obatala represents light, purity and consciousness. Therefore, it would make sense to explain Obatala as the light from the explosion of the particle. Do you see big bang theory?

Why did Yoruba attribute life starting from Yemoja? Yemoja is representation of feminine, productivity, life and water. Science help us to know life started from water. Could this mean Ifa foresaw all these before modern science? Why didn't Ifa attribute life to Sonponna or Osanyin?

Have you head how Yemoja made her way to earth when Aginjù made attempt to kill her. The story held that Yemoja had pregnancy for his son, Aginjù. An abomination in the spirit world. So Aginjù knowing he will be punished severally took upon himself decision to kill his mother. Yemoja ran toward earth, but she crash landed and hit her bowel on rock which makes her belly cut open and everything in her belly flushed out. These things are water, vegetation, wealth andso more. Science theory posit Icy comet bombarding the earth as the origin of water. Making sense?

I will interpret Sango as electrical energy. There is a thread for it in the religion section. So I pick up stories, study it hard by relating some Ifa verses and explain it naturally and scientifically.

In the Ifa corpus where I picked that theory of Ogun been calcium, the verse explains that Apes and Men (gave them name and perceive them as one) lives together in a village (named the village too). They were tasked to make sacrifice so that they won't live in the forest like other animals. It was only human that made the sacrifice.

And note that each verses in Ohun enu ifa and odu Ifa merindinlogun comes with interpretations. Prof Wande Abimbola who himself is a renowned Babalawo explains that the verse was referring to Ape and Human and that we are from family tree. That was where Edun of Ibeji came into the picture.

The whole focus is to validate our stories with indisputable facts, not some myths of other people. Yoruba creation story is not fiction or myth as been described by the unknown. They are facts from pre-science era. A myth will never validate myth. Myth and fiction are not true occurrence or heavy fabrications. But when we analyze these stories with facts, they become true legends.

There are things you can't dispute in my submission. Firstly, every metallic object is Ogun. Secondly, Calcium is a metallic element which builds bone. Thirdly Yoruba story describe Ogun as bone moulder. Therefore Ogun is calcium.

FOLYKAZE:
Omo Iya, no be fight. Thing is I don't really accept it when people infuse our legends with people thousands of miles away from us. Why always the middle east? Why not far east where we have miniscule Ifa system like Iching or Geomancy in Europe?

However, you may explain your point of view. I will respect your viewpoint. Thanks

You stay in your village, and after school you come to Lagos and then to Abuja, and you start abusing people left, right and centre. These are the kind of people who are causing a lot of problems; there must be peace before you have governance."

stephleena:
And guess what? if there's a presidential re-run, we go follow PDP.. over and over again..

What do we expect from the government of the north, by the north,and for the north?.

Look at how they dumped ROCHAS..same treatment awaits Orji Uzor if he pushes too much.

Whiteangel1234:
The South West and Yoruba broke the southern Unity and it will remain damage for a long time to come .

The North will continue to Rule us and unlike 2015 if the South West is hoping or expecting the South East to start another agitation get killed while they continue to negotiate with the North forget it .

There will be no agitation from the South East in the Next 4 years not even an attempt to contest 2023 Presidency so PDP can freely zone it to the North

For 2 times Buhari run with an Igbo VP and we rejected him totally in the South East , He gave South West the same offer they all voted for a know Dictator because of VP position how can anyone sane mind vote Buhari ? Is he the best Nigeria can offer ?

In 2002 Okadigbo decamped to the All Nigeria Peoples Party to become Muhammadu Buhari's running mate in the 2003 Presidential elections, but lost to the People's Democratic Party candidate's (Olusẹgun Ọbasanjọ and Atiku Abubakar) by a landslide victory

again in 2007 Buhari picked an Igbo man as running mate he was rejected the second time in the South East .Edwin Ume-Ezeoke was Buhari running mate in 2007

9jatriot:
This colabo would have added corruption to the constitution and make it criminal to be a Nigerian and not be corrupt. All non corrupt Nigerians would have been thrown into Jail for the corrupt guys to take over.
God forbid.

lacapine:
I have a 17 years old maid who would be 18 in June. She came when she was 12 and she is like family now. She is in SS1. My problem is her issues with boys. Always keeping boyfriends of which I discourage her big time. Had to ask her why she keeps them, she said because her classmates/ friends have boyfriends.

I have screamed and threatened but she will still keep. What am I doing wrong? Should I allow her just keep them? I teach her sex education though but she says she isn't sexually active. Today, I saw the picture she and the guy posted on facebook holding each other. I lost it today. I flogged and punished her. I'm I being too hard? How do I help her? We wanted to help her till university days but with these, we are scared and reconsidering sending her back after ss3.

How best do I handle this situation.

FOLYKAZE:
Wetin consign Ibeji with Isaac nitori Ọlọ́run?

The way you guys infuse Yoruba legends into your foreign religion is alarming.

First it is Esu been Satan

Oduduwa from mecca

And now Isaac with Ibeju.

Make una stop this yeye attachee. We are who we are.

FOLYKAZE:
He is going to add that initiation into Ifa and Islamic pilgrimage is the relative reference. Mentioning clean shave, white clothing and long walk (into Igbodu/Medina).

Also Alfa is from Ifa.

Mad people.





@OP. There are many words in the panegyric and Ifa corpus that shouldn't be deciphered literally. Also, Isokun could be symbolic or became non-existent or mystical. It is a location just like Ife-Oodaye which is unknown till date. I think the most important thing here is the message been passed across.

Even in that Ibeji panegyric, an animal, Edun was mentioned. The panegyric explains that Edun and Ibeji are relatives from the same family tree. There is a verse in Ifa that buttress more on this. Could you believe Ifa is explaining Human Evolution there? Edun is a Ape specie.....just like we are taught human and ape are cousin.

My point is, when we don't ask the right question, we may arrive at the wrong answer. The premises of our question then should be understanding or having idea of what we ask.

This is it. When someone ask 'who' is Ogun in the creation story that moulded bone. Everyone will scramble and start search for a person who bears Ogun. The word 'who' could easily drive the audience away by making them think Ogun is a person. But when you analyze deeply, you will find out that Calcium builds bone; calcium is iron ; iron is Ogun. Therefore the Ogun been referred to in the creation story is Calcium. So the right way of asking that won't cause confusion is 'what' instead if 'who'.

To understand what Isokun is, we need to analyze the whole panegyric and some Ifa verses that mentioned the it. That way, we will be able to conclude if the place is existent or mystical

lilfreezy:
Then why are yorubas occupying the entire prison in the UK? Or igbos are not allowed in the UK too abi anuofia!.... And always put "G" while typing Igbo before i e-slap u