₦airaland Forum

id911:
He is occupying that post illegally. All of you people clapping and hailing this govt illegality, one day a president from another tribe would appoint a man o'war or even a civilian to be police ig or chief of naval staff or even the chief of army staff and nothing will happen

Theres nothing new in that. Did Jonathan not give sea and marine security of this nation to Ijaw militants?

IranjeIdita:
-- Oranmiyan left because of linguistic and cultural clashes he did not have patience for -- research that.

--- It is common knowledge that prior to the incursion of the colonialists. Kidnapped or legitimately taken Africans at the tail end of slave trade provided multi-lingual services to the colonialists.

It is also common knowledge that prior to slave trade, few Africans who have been fortunate to travel and come back or partake in slave trade provided multi lingual services to the Europeans.

You should know I would be anticipating question such as this.

Portuguese did not use slave returnees to cohabit with the coastal kingdoms. England used returnees to aid missionary work, not invasion and conquest. When Europeans invaded America and overtook the land from Indians, they did not use slave returnees. Many examples exist around the world of a foreign invader taking over a land and a people in the absence of an available common medium of verbal exchange.

Like the Oonis, Oduduwa never had any land in the valley outside the palace or where his fellow hill settlers live at Idio. Oduduwa like the Oonis never had ang real authorities.

We should not expect him to have land. Now, let me share with you the balance of power in all the affairs of humanity involving State rulership under a Monarchy.

Land ownership rests with natives and indigenous peoples of a land. Indigenous people are always the land barons. Anywhere a Monarchy exist, trace the root of that dynasty and you will find they are settlers. In the creation of mankind, the gift of civilization is tied to sovereingty. This is the essence of The Covenant. The covenant is what IFA talks about in the dew that descended at the beginning of creation. There is a followup to that covenant and it happened after the great flood in the time of Noah. No need to take you into the Bible but suffice to say that the Monarchy owns the throne, the crown and the authority. Security and civilization trail sovereingty. This is sacred knowledge and is deep.

In summary, power is balanced between the Throne and the Land.

When Dosunmu ceded Lagos to Britain the Idejo Chiefs (Land Barons) refused to sign the treaty and warned that the land did not belong to his dynasty and therefore had no power to give what did not belong to him to the British. The colonists could relate with their reasoning because they themselves understand the balance between throne and land and they practiced it back home. Therefore they exercised authority as colonial power but never usurped authority on land ownership.

If you go to Bini, same story. The Igodomigodo Chiefs exercise authority over land. If you got Hausaland where Fulani Emirs rule, same thing.....the traditional Hausa title holders are the custodians and owners of land.

So you have not improved or advanced this discussion further by telling me Oduduwa and Oonis never had land, that's the norm and Ife will not be different.

There is only so much info I can put out. I have tried on this thread and like every related thread I keep within the limits if what can be stated. Sir, any further diggings on Oduduwa should be pursued via other means such as traveling down to Ife, reading Professor Eluyemi's work on excavations in Oke Ora and look up Obadio Farotimi Faloba, he is the head of Obadio clan and maybe able to help you with more of what you need.

I thank you sincerely for your inputs and contributions, I have learnt some things in interaction with you but you have left many questions unanswered. We are all learning. God bless you!

IranjeIdita:
I am old and exposed to Ifa enough to know it has several faces to it and it depends on the individual to empoy his knowledge when applying what verse to whatever situation.

In Ifa mythology it says Ogun made Ade Are for Oduduwa and it is the reason Oonis wear Ade Are to greet Ogun on Olojo. In actual life, it is the business of the Isoro to take care of the Ade Are, they are the ones who know the materials it is made of and it requires for maintenance. In fact, the Osogun has no business with the Ade Are at all.

Now, would I pick what ifa says or what the actual history is in Ife?

What Araba narrated was one of the creation stories in Ifa, QED.

You can infer whatever you want, I am done with that.






I guess calling Igodomigodo Bini takes away the fact that they are the same place with the same historical names and places.





Looool.

No one called Oduduwa a foreigner or a stranger, except you.

You are purposely painting a situation to support your notion of Oduduwa compulsorily coming from Middle East, Canaan, Mecca.

Enjoy every bit of it.

I have said what holds amongst the communities in Ife which researchers verified from excavations, I leave you to your assumtptions sir.



LOOOL

Your mind is already tilted toqards a conclusion, it is only right for your eyes to see what your mind wants it to see.

I do not even have the time and strength to subject my mind to conjectures and imaginavtive fanatasies of anyone when archeologists and historians (local and foreign) have deciphered most of what the forefathers shroud in secrecy.

I beg to be let off this exchange with you sir, thank you.

You got it. Thanks sir!

IranjeIdita:
Oduduwa is only said to be a foreigner because his own community during the period of the autonomous 13 hamlets was not in the valley that make up the confederacy but ontop of the hill. Where he came from is where all Oonis go to during the beginning of coronation procession which is a re-enactment of where Oduduwa came from, wars he fought, places/compounds he visisted and what he did there and the role of those whole switched to his side.

An analogy: You have your family compound with lines that are recognized but someone who lives in the same community as you, say opposite your compound, comes to disrupt the arrangement of your compound. To you and everyone, he is a foreigner/outsider.

If he was a foreigner from entirely different lands then how was he able to convince notable figures who were under Obatala to switch to his side? In what language did they communicate Arabic, Canaanite, Aramaic, Yoruba? How come no traces of Arab, Israel, Egypt phenomenon are found in the palace, the throne or coronation?

Keep in mind Oranmiyan in the mid centuries when Ife had opened up more and received migrants and sent of emigrants, went off to Bini but left because of language problems. How much more when Ife was still an enclosure and these communities were mostly unknown to each other not to talk if the Arab world?

1 - You said in a previous post (and I'm recalling your own statement)..... that the place Oduduwa SETTLED INTO is where they don't want people to know and visit because it is sacred and the grounds is used for coronation. So it appears the ground became sacred on account of who Oduduwa was. When a person settles a place it means they migrated from elsewhere.

Where did Oduduwa migrate, or come, from? If you don't know please just say so.


2 - The foreign Portuguese that came to the coast of Bini and Eko (and gave it the name Lagos), how did they converse with the locals? The British (foreigners) that came behind them and penetrated inland, how did they converse with the locals? Did the Portuguese fight war with Bini or Eko, did Britain fight war with every ethnic group before corraling us into a Nigerian sovereign under their flag?

If it was possible for Portuguese to establish trade relations, and for England to colonize without war, why would it not be possible for Oduduwa?


3 - Oranmiyan did not leave because of language barrier. Yoruba was the court language in Bini palace for centuries. This is established and documented as history.

If you don't have knowledge of a event just maintain silence or admit you don't know. Embellishing it does not help us here. We need truthful accounts and knowledge sharing, not spins.

Oduduwa was born in a part now part of the present day Ife, at least, Oke Ora when excavated, artifacts dating to many centuries back were found and it revealed it as a place being properly occupied with a proper communal system.

You have been very explicit and precise in naming different wards and communities and compounds of Ife and you have done it in such a impressive manner that I now know Ife more than ever I did before. I will not accept you slipping Oduduwa's birthplace into a melt you call "part of", you need to come up with a name and precise compound. If he was so grandeur a person that his settlement became sacred ground....can you imagine what his birthplace would be and the reverence that will go with it?

C'mon, you can do better than this! Name his birthplace.

Sovereign power? Well, it is to be noted that Oduduwa after winning the civil war had no crown except from the one made from leaves from a particular tree on Oke Ora. He relied heavily on military, spies planted as chiefs (Otun Ife) to hold his place. Most of the hamlets regarded (and still do) their clan kings as sovereign. Oduduwa was always shut away in the palace and managed to secure spaces for the hill settlers in the valley.

Speaking of sovereign, Ife was split in two with two kings. Oduduwa and Obatala for the most part till Oduduwa's army forced Obatala to fall under his authority, something that did not work but in turn made Oduduwa submit to Obatala's position as the head. Oduduwa relied on Obatala for his authority in Ife & every Ooni does.

It appears to me that the clans kings already exhibited sovereign power before Oduduwa.

1 - what tree was that, give name or specie of this tree.

2 - In every society and civilization where a foreign sovereign conquer the native, there is always two authorities. The conqueror is the absolute sovereign power, the land belongs to the native. In the sharing of power the land barons uphold the King's throne, in exchange for the providence that sovereingty brings in.

Name one civilized society with a hereditary sovereingty that is an aberration to this dual balance in power.

No one disputes the Ife natives had clans and headships....but they had no sovereign power.

Here again to refresh your memory....there are three significant trademarks of the Yoruba race and they are as follows:

1 - Sovereingty
2 - Sacred Art
3 - Worship and Spirituality

Ife gained this as result of the foreign Oduduwa that migrated from another land and settled amongst them. Those migrants are the real Yorubas. Your natives in Ife pre Oduduwa were Ugbo and other aborigines.

IranjeIdita:
That creation story is one of the many ones from Ifa. You do not expect the Araba or the Ooni to tell the white man the actual gist when even many Ife indigenes do not know the actual gist.

You are not sounding credible with responses framed like this.

Ifa teaches truthful rendering of events. Its principles are substantially universal. You are saying Ooni and Araba departed from Ifa principles and weaved a fabulous story to tell the white man and hide the truth of their beliefs from him.

That is ridiculous and at same time scandalous!

The only reason for this attachment to the theory of Oduduwa from the east is because of ahmed baba, muhammed sokoto story of Oyo's migration with them from Middle East which Samuel Johnson in his Oyo-centric origin story of Yoruba inducted Oduduwa into the gist.

If none of the above happened we would not be here speaking of this.

First, let us be perceptive and conscious and not use terms and words liberally.

Middle East is a modern coinage in comparison to the time marker we are discussing. So drop its usage here. There was nothing called Middle East in time of Ahmed Baba or Muhammadu Bello. They spoke of Canaan and East.

In Canaan and in East the people had altars, they had shrines, they had temples.

In Middle East they have churches, synagogues and mosques.

When you write Middle East the perception you create in peoples mind is that of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. Particularly of Jihad and conflict.

Do you see the difference and why we need to discuss this topic with as little bias as is possible?

Maybe you forgot what you typed.

Here: There are many principals in the aboriginal Ife, Oduduwa, Obatala, Ogun, and so on.

The placement of the others is not hidden, why is Oduduwa the only one veiled behind a secrecy?

What is the need to cover his origin, why can't people know and visit?

Anyway, I think you are seeing 'foreigner' in the context of modern age of borders and boundaries.

Borders and boundaries is not a modern creation. Human beings have always been territorial and posessive. Demarcation of domains and area of direct influence and power is ancient.

There are two words to describe a person not native to the land - a stranger; a foreigner.

Stranger is one who looks like the rest but is not known in the area or in the land. A stranger is never said to come from a foreign land.

Foreigner is one who does not look like the rest and is unknown in the land. He comes from a foreign land.

Study the Ife Heads and you see the depiction of the Oonis contain features of foreigners.

I hope you don't return with a response dismissing it as a deception to hide true representation of Ooni's origin.


I will give response to the rest later.

OlaoChi:
https://shawnwhatley.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/kowtow-300x168.jpg no need to argue

so sir, does this mean yoruba and chinese have a common origin or spiritual connection?
i laugh at the bold. and you claim to be a yoruba?

are those chinese observing obeisance to elders or are they in a temple worshipping?

How is tatoo spiritual?

IranjeIdita:
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Please share Araba's narratives.

The places you can find proper narratives on Oduduwa in Ife apart from Idio are from Iddo, Obameri's compound, Gbonkaa's compound, Baba Sigidi's compound at Oke Ijan to mention a few.

Orunmila is not an awo of Oduduwa, he was a chief diviner and an abitrator during the civil war. Oduduwa met him on ground.

I am a son of Lagos, not of Ife, I therefore do not have familiarity with the different wards in Ife or the authorities vested to speak about Oduduwa. Nonetheless, ARABA of IFE is not included in your list and I wonder why OOni choosed him, and not those you listed, to give the historical narrative to Wyndham in 1921.

http://sacred-texts.com/afr/ife/ife4.htm

In this publication, Ooni spoke first outlining the creation story (the mythical Ife), this is followed by Araba giving the history (the deeds of Ife)

Iranje, I know you are not Christian, Muslim or Jew, but have you read the Bible or Quran or Torah? If not you should read these scriptures. I say this because nowhere in the accounts narrated by the Ooni and the Araba is Christianity, Islam or Judaism mentioned but yet the Ife version of creativity and deeds are exact mirror of EXODUS (which was lifted from Torah, popularly called Old Testament), and in the Quran of Surah Baqarah, Imran and Nuh.

1921 Ife already had Christians and Muslims in large population, yet not once does the account narrated by Ooni and Araba mentioned or referenced the Abrahamid religions as source. It is a total departure from the account attributed to Muhammadu Bello. Even at that, Muhammadu Bello is not the originator of the Yoruba/Canaan/Nimrod story. He said explicitly, "according to what we are told".

Who told him this?

Let's go to the North for a moment. Underneath the Islamic practice in North the Hausa indigenous belief systems still exist. The heroism of Bayajjida is re-enacted yearly and celebrated like we do for Oduduwa. I wrote about this some months ago but knowing people in Nairaland, the truth of it was not acceptable to many.

In Daura, every year they bring out a specific sacred drum and they beat a eulogy praising Lamurudu, who they acknowledge in the chain of progenitors for Hausa States. Likewise they practice the IYA cult (being the feminine essense of mother earth and the cosmos).

This practice in North has nothing to do with Islam but an acknowledgement of their root. We also acknowledge our root and reference Ife as cradle of our society, like they do Daura.


THE MIGRATION FROM THE EAST

As well as the stories which describe the creation centred at Ife, there are traditions that
the Yoruba migrated from the east, the lands of the Bible and of Islam. The following
story is the version of the Revd Johnson, which he interpreted to mean that the Yoruba
were descended from Coptic Christians.

The Yoruba are descended from Lamurudu, who was a king of Mecca. His sons
were Oduduwa, who became the founder of the Yoruba, and at least two others
whose descendants moved to Gogobiri and Kukawa in Hausaland; their kinship
with the Yoruba is shown by the common scarifications.



If a Muslim say Yorubas are from East you people look into his background, if he is Christian, you will say he is biased on the Bible. If he is Muslim you all say he is biased on what Muhammadu Bello shared to Clapperton and his account is toned to Islam. If he mentions Israel you all call him Jew wannabe. If he is the Araba of Ife you all say he is not authorized to speak on origin story. If we ask whether or not Oduduwa is foreigner you say no he is not and that spin is based on awos of Ife knitting a conspiracy to block visitation to his origin.

Here is my view of you based on what I have so far read from your contributions, you are descendant of the indigenous ethnic group in Ife and the idea of subordinate to a foreign sovereign power is no longer comfortable with your world view, therefore you bring up all kind of excuses and diversions to evade the evident truth. Ny all means any mention of foreign root for Oduduwa must be shut down. Any mention of Mecca or East must be denigrated as Islam bias. Any reference to Samuel Crowther or Johnson must be dismissed as Christian bias. You fail to see your own bias and denial of the evident truth.

This malady is the same problem that the Edo people agonize under - they raise objection to Ife as the place where their Oba came from. Therefore this gives them superiority rather than subordination to Yoruba.

The greatness of Ife and all Yorubas is Sovereingty, Sacred Arts and Worship. The truth of origin must come through these channels, not by studying rocks and its age or fossils and sediments. I don't care how long Ife has been in existence, at a time the people of Ife were subjugated under a set of foreigners that came in migration from East and these foreigners is what we call Yoruba, and no doubt they are distinct from the indigenous Ugbo people or whatever the first occupiers of Ife were called.

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Sir, are you a linguist then?

No, Im not.

Esoteric energy in sound?

Yes, esoteric energy is present in all physical dimensions. Thoughts is ether, it issues out of the tongue as word but the word is accompanied by a energy that vibrates the air and disperses it into the ethereal. That energy is the sound. It is creative and it is destructive. Those who understand its properties know how to manipulate and expand it...or compress and subdue it. Let's leave it at that.

Oh, you feel confident you know the placements of the other principals asides that of Oduduwa? Do you?

The only reason you feel this way is because some of the other deities are worshipped outside Ife with large followership.

Oduduwa and most of the deities who were his followers have very small followership in Ife and they are not worshipped outside Ife.



It is not a mis-speak, it is actually the truth, sadly.

I am not talking about other principals of Ife. I am fiocused on Oduduwa. He is a foreigner. His settlement in Ife maybe off-bounds, thats not my pursuit. I am focused...Oduduwa is a foreigner. Before Ife he was elsewhere. Where is that elsewhere?

Even as a son of Idita, I know how things are kept or obfuscated to people who are not omo-ile and how things are purposely obfuscated to the obinrin ile (females from the compound). Nobody knew or knows much about Obatala in or outside Ife because like most deities in Ife, it is strictly a family thing and it was only in 1950s that outsiders were getting initiated and inducted into lesser chieftaincy positions where much won't be revealed to them - the aworo group (oduduwa, obameri, gbonkaa etc) are still very much stuck with initiating/inducting family members only plus their level of charm & esoteric stuff is too harsh and rough that it scares their own compound members not to mention outsiders.

You speak arrogantly about your breed, pushing it in other people's face. You don't know who I am. It doesn't even matter who I am for the focus of discussion on the roots of Oduduwa and his connection to Canaan.

Right infront of my family compound is the Idito shrine. The Adimu of Lagos is rooted to the Adimula of Ife. When Adimu comes out his first stop is Idito. He finishes his prayers there, makes a 180 degrees turn face my grandfather house and walks up to the door and converse with the head of my family then departs. Could Idito be a corruption of Idita? Very possibly. Let's get off subject of breed and background.

Was Oduduwa born in Ife? If not, then where was he born?

Why Oduduwa's settlement is hidden to prevent visits is because it is the starting point of coronation for ooni elects and it is only visited by initiates during that period only. This is the norm for most deities in Ife - no one goes to Obatala's palace at Iranje Oko/Idita except alato is to be fed or there's a message requiring we go. It is off in the forests and well, due to the greedy sale of lands by relatives houses are beginning to sprout around this place.

So Oduduwa is the one that brought sovereing power to Ife. Where did the sovereingty come from?

IranjeIdita:
I am done here but quickly:
In the frint page, the statements credited to the Hausa people was in reference to Oyo people not Ife people.

Here:


The post on the front page further separated Oyo from Ife.

Here:



Apparently, the Hausa folks who said these things regarded Oyo people ONLY as Yoruba who migrated from middle east. They treated Oyo to be different from Ife, a country they were far away from.

I hope the Canaan, Egypt, Israel, Mecca theory will now focus on Oyo as the Hausa king only spoke of Oyo.

In the era of Imperial Africa the seat of power is always the point of reference for a people.

When they speak of Egyptians, no mention is made of Nubia, a Kingdom in the Egyptian Empire.

When they speak of Ashanti no mention is made of Adagbe. Daura was the spiritual foothold of Hausa States but Kano was reference point.

So speaking of Oyo as Yoruba was in line with protocol of the then State diplomats.

Moreover, the explorers of Africa either came from desert region or from the sea. The capital of Yoruba was farther away from either routes. They heard about Yoruba but never wentwentto visit.

What brought about Muhammadu Bello's narration was appeal to Livingstone to intervene and stop Oyo from selling muslim slaves to Christians. If Ife was the center of Imperial power they would equally have referenced it with same story of Canaan and Nimrod and call it Yoruba.

If you notice Muhammadu Bello went on to say the Yoruba country is beautiful, their land has hills and trees and gardens and the ships of Christians come to their coast. A visual map of the entire landmass from Oyo Ile, which started at the bank of Niger, which was Northpoint of Ife, down to the coast.

This discussion has had good amount of biases, let us not sink deeper with more biases in thisbstruggle to score points.

We are interested in enlightning share, not digs to win argument and then destroy a legacy that we all are cherishly connected to.

IranjeIdita:
If your only concern is the mythical aspect in Ifa then you should be bothering about Oduduwa and his 5 toed cock creating earth not about a human moving between canaan and Ife.

My interest is actually on the congruence of Yoruba culture with AfroAsia. If the acclaimed progenitor of Yoruba is Oduduwa and said to be foreigner, then where are his foreign roots?

Speaking of mythical Oduduwa, in the Myths of Ife, narrated by Araba of Ife, the highest ranking and titular head of Ifa priests, and in presence of Ooni to John Wyndham, mention is made of several landscapes that cannot even be found anywhere in the latitudinal belt that Ife is geographically located in.

Like awos fabricating Oduduwas origin, were these narrations by the Araba fabrications as well?

Lol this is funny.

I don't even have the strength to start typing the historical etymologies of those Yoruba words and how they are different from the canaan stuff as well as the crown issue.

May God give you strength, and I hope you find the time to share knowledge and enlightenement about these issues. Etymologies, root words and sounds in particular are very important to me.

Word is formed but sound is emanated and carries with it a signature. I am drawn to the esoteric energy in sound and its octaves.

Oduduwa as a foreigner was a fabrication spread by awos in Ife to keep his actual location in mystery and prevent people from going there.

Ife awos know where he is from there's really no need to go on a brain racking spree that will fall apart in the face of proper scrutiny or say if these awos decide to come out full scale with the secret details that has had you and others bothering your innocent brains over a non existent connection.

There are many principals in the aboriginal Ife, Oduduwa, Obatala, Ogun, and so on.

The placement of the others is not hidden, why is Oduduwa the only one veiled behind a secrecy?

What is the need to cover his origin, why can't people know and visit?

I am surprised you would admit awos are in a conspiracy to mislead on origin of Oduduwa.
I hope this was a mis-speak.

OlaoChi:
it is due to the absence of written history in the culture, although Yorubas had a secrete writing system under the Olurogbo cult still being studied, I don't think it was used for recording historical events.

I didnt know the Akan also prostrate, Also prostration has been performed by the Polynesian people to honour dying Chiefs and Priests, the Chinese have the Kowtow tradition quite similar to Yoruba Idobale. It would be rather silly for any of us to begin to give Chinese origin for Yorubas based on this alone. the consequence of this act in my opinion is the understanding of the human mind, certain acts performed across cultures is rather a pointer to how the human mind relates with common aspects of life than a mutual origin. these acts could have developed independently, one didnt have to have ancestry in the other, or share a common origin. Take for instance the idea of tattooing for various purposes around the world, does this mean Yoruba and Samoans or Indians or Japanese share a common origin. I should also mention that the Hebrews did not have tattoos

Kowtow is not prostration, neither is it similar to prostration.

Tatooing is cosmetic, does not have spiritual value and should not be introduced.

highrise07:
The assistant national secretary general of Miyetti Allah Cattle Breeders Association, MACBAN, Ibrahim Abdullahi, has said that the solution to the lingering crisis in southern part of Kaduna state lies outside Nigeria.
Southern Kaduna has been experiencing violent crisis for years now. The latest spell of violence has claimed hundreds of lives.
Killings have continued deployment of security forces to the area.
The latest killings occurred on February 20 when unknown gunmen invaded communities in two local governments Jema’a and Kauru, killing at least 14 people.
The attacks have largely been blamed on Fulani herdsmen, said to be carrying out reprisal killings following the alleged killing of herdsmen and their livestock in the area during the 2011 post-election violence.
Speaking to PREMIUM TIMES in Kaduna recently, [b]Mr. Abdullahi said most of the Fulani people involved in the killings were not Nigerians. Similar claim by the state government sparked outrage.
“It has to do with foreign nomads coming into the country. There are three or four international grazing routes, most of which passed through Kaduna state,” he said.
“Two of the routes are from Cameroun down through Lere and Kauru local governments, another one is from Chad Republic that came through southern part of Plateau state down to Zangon-Kataf and there is another one from Niger Republic through Kano/ Katsina down to Kaduna,” he said.
Mr. Abdullahi said it so happened that herders who were moving their cattle for greener pasture got caught up in the post-election violence.
“Many of them were killed including their cows and some of the cows were taken away. Those of them who survived returned to their homes and reported what happened.
“We got to know that most of them spread across Cameroon and Chad swore to come back for revenge. We therefore, advised the governor at the time, the Late Yakowa, to take urgent action.
“The governor agreed with us and formed a committee to go and meet with the Fulani leaders wherever they are and reconcile with them,” he said.
Ibrahim Abdullahi
Yakowa’s effort
Mr. Abdullahi said the late governor also agreed with the advice given to him to compensate all those who experienced losses in the attacks, and he agreed.
“As a result, we started meeting with all those we know have been affected. I was mandated to go to Cameroon and Chad Republic.
“My first port of call is to a Fulani leader I know that lost over 200 cows and about six boys. I arrived his house in the evening and told him I was an emissary of the governor of Kaduna state over the unfortunate killing of his boys and cows.
“He asked me to go and rest since I came from a far place and that he would talk to me in the morning. Early in the morning, he invited me for breakfast and I narrated to him my mission.
“He said he was shocked that the governor had the guts to send someone to him after ordering the killing of his boys because they are Muslims and I told him that his information was wrong.
“I said I am a Muslim and truly the governor is a Christian, but, I also told him that most Muslims like me in Kaduna are willing to take the risk I took for Yakowa because he was a good man and would never order the killing of anyone.
“The man said he agreed with me and if anything, the fact that the governor agreed something was wrong and took the step he was taking showed that he was a good leader of his people. Tell him I have forgiven him, I don’t need any compensation and that he has a new emissary in me as far as Cameroon is concerned.
“I will make sure I reach out to all the other affected families in Cameroon on behalf of your governor,” he said.
Mr. Abdullahi added that his host took him to a warehouse within the man’s estate and what he saw shocked him.
“I saw all sorts of sophisticated weapons and I was told they were kept in readiness for a revenge attack in Southern Kaduna,” he said.
He also said the man invited him for a “short trip” into the forest and he saw a large camp and several young men receiving all forms of training on warfare.
“Shockingly, these boys were being trained by white men,” he said.[/b]
Mr. Abdullahi said he bid the man farewell but could not proceed to Chad Republic as arranged because he was running short of money.
“I decided to return to Kaduna and I met the governor the next day and gave him my report.
“The governor told me that he was travelling the next day to the South South and would remobilise us to go to Chad for the second part of our assignment, unfortunately, Governor Yakowa died in a helicopter crash,” he said.
Mr. Abdullahi said when former Governor Ramalan Yero took over, they met with him and gave him the report of what had been done so far and the need to complete the task.
“Our fear is that any other family affected in the attacks would have known that we were in Cameroon to appeal, especially those in Chad Republic.
“Our failure to go and meet them as far as they are concerned is because they do not matter. I expressed that fear to the former governor. He simply collected the report and said he would get in touch; he never did,” he said.
The Fulani leader said it is good that Governor El-Rufai has continued from where the late Yakowa stopped.
Mr. El-Rufai admitted at the peak of the crisis that he sent payments to the suspected killers outside of Nigeria, as compensation for their losses.
The governor defended his action as being in continuation of what Mr. Yakowa died.

Mr Abdullahi is a good story teller. He needs to stop herding cows and start writing stories....for Fulani readers!

justtalents:
I was wowed when I saw these pictures of white couple taking their wedding celebration to Yoruba level. So these white people also gbadun(enjoy) our https://justtalentsofficialblog.com/2017/03/04/amazing-white-couple-celebrates-their-wedding-in-yoruba-traditional-way/

no aso ebi, no owambe...which kin Yoruba be dis now?

Just kidding!

Wishing them Happy Married Life!

IranjeIdita:
It depends on what the objective of your research is.

Across the globe we find similar phenomena in cultures and yes they can be further researched and treated as an open ended comparative study in most cases but not commonality of origin. Why? Early history of independently different cultures have shown similarities, surface level or deep, without any necessary similar origin.

Besides, in researching (the science) or writing history (the art), there are set rules to be followed. Else, historians would have written histories of many nations following the patterns displayed here. Look for two cultures with some similarities then slap them together as one.

I have a question: since it is generally agreed that the earlist men lived in Africa first. Why is the theory pushed by you, absolutesuccess, 2prexios and Olu317 not done in reverse?

That is Ife existed first and the Jews, Canaanites, Egyptians tookwhatever similarities we find in their culture away from Yoruba land to the places they settled rather than we looking up to them as the source of our migration and culture?

I have no conclusions, only questions exist in my mind. If I have any bias it is in favor of oral records having more authenticity than Eurocentric publications about Yoruba.

I just recently asked a page or two ago that could it be possible Oduduwa coming to Ife was a return to roots. So I am not concluded in favor of one above the other as origin but I am thoroughly convinced that a connection far more than just a chance exist between Yoruba and spiritual Canaan.

Aare and Aaron, Araba and Rabbi, Nineveh/Levite and Ile Ife, similarity of form and function of the Mesopotamian Crowns and Yoruba Crowns..and many others that border or are actual participation in the idea of altar, rituals and devotion.

We hear Oduduwa is a foreigner. What we are doing is chasing footprints to establish where he is from. I am not a fan of the Israelite origin. My push is for Ancient Hebrew origin, which is far broader and more expansive than Israel.

OlaoChi:
That is what studies is about, you study what those before you have done, it doesn't take credit from them. History especially doesn't belong to anybody, revealing details of an historical event is not an invention, history invented is fake This is what you don't get and you call yourself an intellect, you invent history I do not. I simply learn from Historians and retell when such conversion cmoes up. Mr. A can do field research and reveal a detail and Mr. B read his book can retell to people who didn't read Mr. A's book, it is not appropriation. There is no copyright in History the same Mr. A can write an entire book on English history from his knowledge of other books he has read on english history. I am not an archaeologist, Babalawo/Olorisa, I am not even available to do field research.

I laugh at the bold . Hypothesis that fall under the Belief theory has shaped and helped improve the world. An example is Copernicus' Heliocentrism known for making the Model of having the sun at the center rather than the earth, when christians due to belief-system thought otherwise. Copernicus made this theory based on his observations of the Planets Mercury, Venus and Mars. it wasn't until so many years after his death that it was finally proven. If Europe still relied on Christianity and Belief-system we will still think the earth is at the center of the universe (funny as we wouldn't even know the difference between universe and Solar system)

You put yourself in the chaos by calling yourself a historian, you are in fact contributing to this chaos. yoruba history has been told by whomever, however for so long that any well meaning yoruba person should try to set things straight and not be a self-acclaimed historian without portfolio , otherwise as a people we become a joke, an example is the popular oduduwa came from the sky on a chain to create the earth and founded ife, how people mock yoruba due to this by saying oduduwa was chased from heaven and fell from the sky bla bla. When earlier historians failed to put the records straight, how can a Historian propagate such a thing as history?. or dududwa being the son of lamurudu the king of mecca who was chased out for idolatry at and a historian propagated this. Yoruba should have had enough of all this jokes coming as history.

there is a thick line difference between Belief theory and belief system - one is in the field of Academia; the probability of rational thought in spite of what is commonly believed, which is still ready(in fact must be) to undergo scrutiny. the other is a set of beliefs that form a culture, religion, political ideology. So if you as a so called yoruba doesn't follow the yoruba belief system but Jewish, you are in a wrong place to even discuss yoruba history, which cannot be without bias for the jews

You can stay in England and study the history of place A and publish on it using library resources alone and never putting foot in A. My contention is you cannot do that with Yoruba because our history, spiritualism, arts, beliefs are all interwoven and hard to separate.

If you follow the discussions of this thread from opening it becomes clear, that even people on ground in Yoruba are committing same error and calling rites of worship a history.

Where in Africa, beside the Yorubas, do you find people prostrating? I am yet to identify a culture not Yoruba that prostrates. Prostration in Yoruba are two types, a show of reverence for age and wisdom and the head is held up from the ground, and then a prostration in which we kiss the ground with the forehead in homage to the Orishas and conciliation of the material man to the spirit realm.

So if for example we find that the Akans also prostrate, then in what respect and what is the significance value of the act, in other words...if the act is not performed what is the consequence?


To Iranje,
In reference to your statement about studying history and cultures indeoendently,not for comparison, if you come across an aspect of a people that repeats elsewhere does it arouse your curiosity as to whether or not a vommon thread exist between the two separate and distinct cultures?

IranjeIdita:
It is relative.

I am a PhD student focusing on culture history; Ife history to be specific but I dabble into other cultures not to draw comparisons or similarities but to study them as independent phenomenon.

I am not questioning your expertise, its why I opened with "respectfully". Lol.

Im speaking generally now.

Where we find an object in use at location A is also used in location B and C, bearing similarity in construction and with same application, should we dismiss it as a chance distribution, or does it need further look into perharps to establish commonality and origin?

In particular we find religious objects and articles of faith in Yorubaland duplicated in a specific spot on the globe,not once or twice but in consistent multiple occurrences. I would say mundane objects are perharps chance distribution but I would be more cautious attributing "chance" to rites of worship.

Im moving about and so my participation is disjointed. When I settlr in at home later and can collect thoughts I wil share more.

IranjeIdita:
OK sir.

This stool is possibly widespread across civilizations in the world, it is nothing. Except they are used for the same ceremony by similar people.

Respectfully, outside Ife, how much do you know or are familiar with customs and cultures around the world?

IranjeIdita:
I can mention the names of everybody in that picture. Some are alive, some have passed and some who are not part from Idita have been bannished.

That is a stool (withholding the local name) used by Yeyelorisa (Yeemo's representative) to sit. The stool is used twice during the festival - when Yeemo (Yeyelorisa) took (takes) omi ero & other stuff to the Ooni where the Orunmila (Araba Agbaya) & his 15 awo olodu merindinlogun, the otun ife & Mode'wa are also present.

Now, what have you assumed that to be in Israel.

This is just a seat, there's igba obatala carried by an Arugba.

Iranje,
Thanks for that info. No, not Israel, Ethiopia. They have similar article but i dont what theirs is called.

This is also Yoruba worship but this is not Igba. What is this?

This is picture of Aru'gba in Yoruba.

Soap stone images found in Esie continue to intrigue experts but our own people dismiss them as idols, myths and oral biases. Now this young researcher will write a book on his study, conducted in our land and then we will begin to reference him as an expert and scholar whose work is flawless.

Where are our own scholars and experts to go to Esie and study and interprete what ancestors are revealing to us in this priceless collection of endowments?

Leo Freobenius visited and spent time in Yorubaland and all his productions on our history are completely of tangible values. What he could not take away into archives he reproduced in arts to mirror the actual object. In the end he found it convincing that he was in the land of ancient Greeks. Frobenius travelled through all parts of Africa, beginning in North Africa and working his way down to the Tropics and past us to the lower hemisphere. Nowhere else did he report of a people parallel in civilization to the Greeks.

Look at the following images in comparison of knowledge between Yoruba and Greek.

Was Oduduwa a returnee to the land of his ancestors and origin in Ife?

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Regardless of opinions and conclusions or theories put forward by both domestic and foreign scholars, visual arts remain an inseparable endowment of humanity. It is safe to say that Yoruba ancestors recorded events and marked them for proper placement in geo-political reference.
Their arts are records and it speaks clearly to us. In our study of ancestry and origin we dismissed these arts as mere oral tradition full of biased ideas thus putting more trust in written records formulated by assumptions and theories and preclusions. There are even authors who never stepped foot in Yorubaland but yet took upon themselves as experts on Yoruba and published what they termed history, their only resource is a library in a far away land.

There are numerous arts and oral history in our posession and available for thorough investigation and understanding. For example if we look at the Ife Heads (Bronze excavations from Wunmonije Compound) we should see that two features are represented marked distinctly by the eye and its lids. In one set the eyelids angle up and align with top of the earlobe. In the other set the eyelids angle down and in profile with the bottom of the earlobe. Racial types are differentiated by subtle changes in angle, profile and thickness of forehead, eyebrows, eyelids, cheekbones, nose, lips and chin.

I don't have time to dedicate to this chat at moment but a lot on mind I want to say but I would just leave pictures for now and maybe in a revisit I can share more in length.

This is a religious discipline and an act or practice common amongst West African cultures, and even European cultures, all the way to Middle East, to East Africa. Some use cane, some use chain, sticks, knife, and so on. All the big racial groups of Africa have this practice and still do it till today in remote forms.

Yorubas, Benins, Hausas, Edos, Hamars in Ethiopia, Fulanis, Mandings, Ashantes, ...

There is story of an Alaafin whose slaves were flogged for subordination and the marks left on their bare backs healed to become a fine tattoo that caught the fancy of the women in the palace, at which it became tradition to tattoo princes in order to enhance their masculinity.

The moral of the story has universal application as evidenced in the photos below. Flogging and its appeal has been commercialized and even introduced into the bedroom for taste of ecstatcy.

An action figure made to recognize it as an acceptable heritage.
A sensual mademoiselle posing, invitingly, with her whip/cane for a willing victim of her venom.

So please dont criticize it as a backward practice, unlike those from East, Yorubas just happen to keep pace with civilized human race who all still practice the custome in one form or another.

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absoluteSuccess:
Wow!!!

Metaphisycal, you have the key to the city.

May the ancestors continue to bless you.

Keep the flame of wisdom alive.

Thank you my brother, much blessings back at you.
Edumare a gbe wa!

Grandma in Yoruba is Gogo

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