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2prexios:
Oh my,


thanks and amen.

I know we all have our angles, and that's democratic.


You don't really, really like the Hebrew angle of the Yoruba traditions o.


But I will be glad if you give it a thought. You are a leader.


Please do.

There is a fiber of thread that links Yoruba and ancient Hebrew together. I subscribe to the Samuel Johnson narration of Yoruba migration (which was echoed in Muhammadu Bello's Tarikhi).

Ancient Hebrew, not the modern!

tpiar:
are you implying a link with haram?

Haram means something exclusive. It does not mean forbidden.

OPCNAIRALAND:
You guys check this out....wooo, this makes me want to start studying hieroglyphics now...maybe i can decode like these guys.

Have you guys seen this before? Educate your brother, is this true?

Orunmila/Hor mila/Harum Mila
The messiah' actually referrer to the Word from heaven, (John 6:25-35 and Mat1:18-24) called 'Harum mila' in ancient Hebrew. The Yorubas of Nigeria in their traditional religion of Ifa (Ephod by Septuagint and Ifa or Afa in Hebrew) called the name Orunmila (Hor'mila/Harum mila).

My brother,
Your excitement hints that this a new area of discovery for you. I am familiar with where this information came from. I don't know how you came about this but if you obtained it from the original article, further into the contents they mentioned certain refrerences in the Old Testament which they claimed is devoid of clarity and completion. It appeared as if a certain important track dissapeared with no trace whatsoever. The article called on anyone interested in the completion and clarity to study Yoruba creation story in order to rediscover the lost track.

So if you are looking for confirmatio on whether or not Orunmila is same as Hormilla or Horu' mila, the answe is yes, the same entity.

2prexios:
This suffice for ketu traditional stuff that I promised before my absolute success handle was banned by a mud.

I'm particular about the cognomen, Jaka, which is Yoruba variant for Jacob.

Let's see how various tradition is entangled to this connection between the people of the bight of Benin.

The version existing in mainstream Yoruba as jaka is to be found in the name Oyo Ajaka.

Elsewhere, Jaka is also to be found in Dahomey as ancestral name, Agbomey, (abomey), means 'people of the seeker'.

They have a very accurate tale, but I won't delve into that anyway, but only how traditions connects.

Just like their ketu counterpart, the Agunmenu, a branch of the greater Tori people (agunmenu, egun) equally alludes to Jaca.

'Ahoru Jaca' they called him. He is the progenitor of the 'wae nu'. Wae means 'people of the grey hair couple.' Ahoru means king.

Owa, means grey hair. And the people take great pride in calling themselves 'Ahoru Jaka ni vigevu e', meaning children of king jaca.

Just as you have it in ketu, where a passage alludes to 'Jaka ara weme', meaning people of the book, omoba tente Lori omi, the prince floating on the surface of the sea.

Ohori is a variant of tori. Tori means upon the sea, or probably Yoruba word meaning itori, river tracking, seafaring.

Ohori could mean discovered after the retreat, or ultimately from owori, wandering discovery.

There are worthwhile linguistic resources pointing to various etymology.

Wemeh dangbo

A place is called 'wemeh' in Dahomey, they call it wemeh-dangbo. this actually meaning 'people of the book, great wanderers'.

Dangbo can also be said to mean great serpent, Dan is the word for serpent among the egun people, and it is the totem of Dan, a Bible character.

'Dan shall be a serpent by the way, a viper by the path...'Gen. 49. This was perhaps how oriki began. Was this how Dan became serpent?

Waenu are part of the family that venerated Dan, whom they called 'baba', meaning 'father' in Yoruba.

Let's find a stunner in the line of chanter they recites when they are in festive mood to the totem of their ancestors.

Ato!
Asue!
Apakrioko!
Wenjivigbo!

Egbo flinflin gbo giglo,
Yanbio meh wema ton,
Atoponji maduje,
o babao, o le se.

the meticulous,
the husbands,
wandering killers in the wilderness.
who sire, the great.

he sire the small and sire the grown,
pursued into the people of the book.
atoponji will not eat salt,
O father, he can do it.

Twice now we have come about rhyming terms, jaka, Jaca, of two African people who speak different languages, egun, anago.

Another is people of the book. The people venerating Dan said they were 'pursued into people of the book'.

The ohori says they were of the people of the book, and the weme, (the actual people of the book here by name) said they were a great wanderers.

However, the stunner is, the term 'wemeh' is paraphrased in Wae's chants to the totem of their ancestry,

'meh wema ton' meaning 'people of the book' (meh, people; wema, book; ton, of the). This people never know their traditions align, but I know because I'm mixed.

Try Google 'people of the book' yourselves.

We did have a cutting edge tradition, a resounding history, though chequered, but stunning.

We are not Lab rats, whose history must be determined by foreign forensic-designs from unknown donors,


Let the ruling house look up to God,
Let the slaves look up to their masters.

I love this.


God bless and continue to enlighten you prexios!

absoluteSuccess:
You are a part of my virtual family, not seeing or hearing from you affects me.

But I'm always sure you are strong, and will be back some sweet days for sure.

I can understand. I will try to be regular and show stronger presence.

Aku ipa le mo odun o!

Its almost a year since we last discussed in here.

I have additional information to bring, a lot of new perspectives.

Watch "spectacle des eguns au benin" on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO1wjm9y0VU


Dance with the Egungun and get a good feel from the beats.

absoluteSuccess:
Unbelievable,

Ase ojo niipe,

ipade kii jina.

Gbogbo ile nko o?

I miss you so bad.

Your light shines.

I miss you too. Glad to see you. I see you are still trudging on.

http://medwelljournals.com/abstract/?doi=pjssci.2007.548.552


Look to left under Related Links and download pdf version

macof:
now I don't know how to reply to that.

What resources? Revolutionary meaning to words? This is what anybody can do when trying to link a people with another people. You would be surprised how I can link yoruba origin to the British Isles

What will really get people's attention and make even Olorisas applaud is to show how our hebrew language turned into a Niger - Congo language similar to neighboring languages of Igala, Igbo and Edoid languages.

How we lost knowledge of Yahweh and resorted to veneration of 401 Irunmoles
How we lost knowledge of the mosaic law
How we lost knowledge of our Semetic mythology that we wrote in the Tanakh(Bible) and chose to recreate a yoruba one

Why we are so similar to our neighbors in west africa but not Semites of Asia


You don't have enough evidence to even convince yourself that what you are saying is truth. You just love this hebrews so much that you would do anything to identify with them. . I perfectly understand what that is like.. its only just very disgusting. If you want to talk about tradition as you claim, what happened to the many beautiful prospects of the tradition, our knowledge of the universe?. . I like how lawani talked about yoruba ancients knowing that the earth is spherical like the moon..these are traditions people want to know not unproven and obnoxious ancestral connection with the middle-east

absoluteSuccess:
I really don't know if Abraham is a valuable word to medieval Yoruba, though I get what you mean.
If not through the abrahamic faiths, could the Yoruba have had any idea who Abraham was?
I have a work of Madame Agrippina Souza, a Fon/Yoruba slave and an Iyanifa. She authored an ifa work, titled Dinlogun.
One of the 16 verses of ifa she shared is known as Odu ejilaesebora. This meaning 12 that emanated from ebora.
In the story, there was an ancient couple who were blessed by twin children, the father loved one and the mother loved the other.
This unhealthy rivalry was tearing the family apart and the eldest twin vowed to kill his brother. The mother had to send the other son out of the house to her family.

Now I imagines that this story resembles the story of Jacob and Esau. So I checked what twins were to the Yoruba, lo it is Orissa.

Let's look at the category twins are set to. It is called Oruko Amutorunwa, that is, names with philosophy derived from well source.
So the tradition is to name children born after the twins with names that look like memorial names:
Idowu look like Edom,
Alaba look like Laban.
Then in my childhood, my surname was Sao, it is what Yoruba have as Taye. The Egun called taye sao, they call kehinde zinsu.
Sao look so much like Esau...
Finally, the Yoruba says 'Taye lolu ejire ara Isokun'. Meaning, Taye is the heir of the friendly two from Isokun.
Isokun look so much like Isaac.
Somehow, it is said akeyinde gbegbon, nbabi nbayo. This means that the last of the set of twins supplanted the heirship.
The Egun will quip the kehinde's oriki with 'opo jojo wolu", meaning someone who comes with crowd into the city.
the Ogu usually do what they call 'tu akan na hoho' rite. This sound Yoruba, that is, 'tu okan awon ibeji': etutu, to soften the heart of the twins.
If you have these words, you will see that Bible stories will easily flash through your mind with such resource.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Ladder

absoluteSuccess:
I really don't know if Abraham is a valuable word to medieval Yoruba, though I get what you mean.

If not through the abrahamic faiths, could the Yoruba have had any idea who Abraham was?

I have a work of Madame Agrippina Souza, a Fon/Yoruba slave and an Iyanifa. She authored an ifa work, titled Dinlogun.

One of the 16 verses of ifa she shared is known as Odu ejilaesebora. This meaning 12 that emanated from ebora.

In the story, there was an ancient couple who were blessed by twin children, the father loved one and the mother loved the other.

This unhealthy rivalry was tearing the family apart and the eldest twin vowed to kill his brother. The mother had to send the other son out of the house to her family.

Now I imagines that this story resembles the story of Jacob and Esau. So I checked what twins were to the Yoruba, lo it is Orissa.

Let's look at the category twins are set to. It is called Oruko Amutorunwa, that is, names with philosophy derived from well source.

So the tradition is to name children born after the twins with names that look like memorial names:

Idowu look like Edom,
Alaba look like Laban.

Then in my childhood, my surname was Sao, it is what Yoruba have as Taye. The Egun called taye sao, they call kehinde zinsu.

Sao look so much like Esau...

Finally, the Yoruba says 'Taye lolu ejire ara Isokun'. Meaning, Taye is the heir of the friendly two from Isokun.

Isokun look so much like Isaac.

Somehow, it is said akeyinde gbegbon, nbabi nbayo. This means that the last of the set of twins supplanted the heirship.

The Egun will quip the kehinde's oriki with 'opo jojo wolu", meaning someone who comes with crowd into the city.

the Ogu usually do what they call 'tu akan na hoho' rite. This sound Yoruba, that is, 'tu okan awon ibeji': etutu, to soften the heart of the twins.

If you have these words, you will see that Bible stories will easily flash through your mind with such resource.

This has to be prexios, yes?

2prexios:
Beautiful piece metaphysical, but I'm wondering it seems we have a running battle, if I drop the Hebrew card, you drop the Arab card too.

Lol. Im beginning to think we should discriminate by saying the ancient occupants of Canaan, the ancient occupiers of the land of Midian, the original owners of Mecca or Kaaba, the occupants of the Jerusalem temples...rather than saying Hebrews and Arabs.

The denotion American is a perfect example, Who is American, the European settlers, the African settlers, or the native Indians? You cannot find one trace of native American Indian land in Georgia or Florida, from wherw they were relocated in the famous trail of tears to be resettled in Oklahoma. Even in Oklahoma a deliberate act of white-out has caused their legacy to change hands and Caucasians are the new Indians in Oklahoma. The Indian was the original and native American. Those who today answer as Americans are indeed citizens, not natives, of America.

Left to me Im almost concluding that Yoruba was originally an Arab and the one out of which the Arab culture itself evolved. By analogy, Yoruba is the native Arab, those who answer Arab today are citizens, not natives of, Arabia.

My only contention is that the evolution occured in Afro Asia, in other words Yoruba started elsewhere and settled in Ile-Ife at a later age, as opposed to the reverse. Which would mean Yoruba name was not given to us in our new settlement but instead followed with us from origin to settlement. In that case only those intimate with our culture and race and had knowledge of who were in our ancient land knew to call us Yoruba and also taught to those who did not know the identity of our race.

This makes sense why Ahmad Baba and the Malian scholars and the Andalusian Sufis knew and wrote of us as Yorubas, the people of or the race of Lamarudu (Nimrod) and because the Lingua Franca of the Sudan was Ajami, this name identity was repeated in the narratives of Sultan Bello and interpreted to Clapperton and Landers, from where it found its way to the missionaries and in turn retold in the revised version of Samuel Johnson's book. Our neighbors on the other hand knew of and called us the people of walled city (katunga) or the greeters (Aku) because they were not fully informed of our origin and journey....nonetheless regardless of their knowledge of our history and background, everyone in the West African belt agreed that Yorubas were foreigners!

The words of 9jacrip and macof seems to haunt me, to 9jacrip, why must our history be used to promote the Arab stories? To macof: the christian Yorubas are writing Yoruba history with christian turn of mind, the muslims, with muslim turn of mind.

Depends on whether 9jacrip accepts the modern Arabs as the native Arabs or simply as citizens of Arabia. Lol.

A set of knowledge is maturing in Yorubaland and Yoruba diaspora. Yoruba diaspora had recognized long ago and merged Christian ideologies and creeds into their Ifa practice and removed the confusion that we in Yorubaland are struggling with.

Cubans and Brazilians and Perto Ricans know instinctively that Jesus is same character as Esu.

If it were possible to teach Yoruba muslims that Alhaji and Alejo are same thing and Umrah and Imura are cognates, more importantly that the laterite stone at the entrance to the Kaaba is symbolically the same as the one at the entrance of any Esu shrine in Yorubaland then we begin to recognize a new mindset in our muslims in their visit and return from pilgrimage. They will no longer see Hajj as an elite social status but instead recognise it as the stage of atonement to reunite and reconcile matter.with spirit. In other words, Alhajis and Alhajas will see the light and come to understanding that the Hajj pilgrimage ia nothing more than IRUBO and the Kaaba is the shrine containing in it an altar or OJUBO (the point faced for offering)....the qiblah which Islam requires everyone to face when worshipping.

You cannot enter the BaytAllah (sanctuary of Allah) without first passing through the entrance door, but the significance of that door is the black stone, the symbol of Esu. Literally, Esu is the sentry or divinity through which we must first pass in order to approach God.

So what is BaytAllah and what is Obatala?

In Bible Christians say no one comes to the father but through the son. Who is the son? They said Jesus.

Even if we are numb to intellect and could not see the correlation of Esu and Jesus being one and the same we should pick up on the fundamentals of the rituals and instantly accept the two as one person or divinity.

The primary tenet of Christianity is the Trinity. Well, the fundamental tenet of Esu worship is Orita Meta (the three crossroads). The space formed by a lay line of the crossroads is an eye called the portal or vortice...a very strong energy point. The trigonometric construction of the planery crossroads is what gave rise to the Christian Cross.

So something is rising in Yorubaland that will unite all these knowledge and a time will come when the world will again become students of Yoruba civilization and come to us for knowledge about their own humanity.

For centuries there was a separation between Ifa and Western scholarships. Westerners are studying in Ifa and they are getting obsessive. Similarly, custodians of Ifa knowledge are also encouraging their descendants to get Western education.

Im a certified IT Communicatiin professional and with 15yrs experience, yet I still need the use of a tool to calculate IP subnetting. Ifa diviners subnet innately with no problem and they dont even recognize it as a vital branch of knowledge in computing.

Imagine a child raised in Ifa background and who goes to study Computing, he will understand the basic structure of binary and octets effortlessly because he is in his element.

We must encourage that, we must subscribe to that new Yoruba evolution. We do so by breaking down the inaccuracies and lies and unveil the truth.

Let me move on my brother...

My only inspiration is simply that, they have their own angle too, nobody is neutral. But then, I also stand with Yoruba tradition because its pro-migration, pro-creation and not pro-evolution. I believe the Yoruba tradition needs nobody to lean on to stand, Arab o, Hebrew o, "ife lo wa n'be ta nbore jeko, tile oge to gee je"

Yes, the Yoruba tradition is durable and reformative, it sustains and spins off in new direction when threatened by impending calamity. This is why we still have Yoruba today and Ifa has not died, even though so many other ancient practices have been subsumed or killed off by new orders and faiths. Again, a time is emerging when Judaism, Christianity and Islam will fold back into Ifa. Each of them is going through cleansing and when they each attain their breakpoint everyone loose faith and their humanity and are forced to abandon logic and return to instinct. At that point of rebirth for humanity Ifa would have significant meaning for mankind.

Lets look at Kabiyesi, it means ka bi e si, "to question him not available" is it what Kaaba mean? the closest word to Kaaba in Yoruba is Akaba, except Kaba in Kogi state. Was kaaba significant in Yoruba history? There have to be more cogent point for that o.

To question who You forget Oba is "igba keji Orisa"!
So all attributes to the King will not contain terms like question, whether in the positive or negative order.

Look, lets go back with our imagination to Mecca itself and visualize the Kaaba in its pre Islamic days.and.picture Yorubas in and around the shrine. Its worship time and everyone is gathered to do what to the idols? To prostrate and kneel.and bow. Well, is this not the same manner we greet when we gather around an Oba, who is second in command to the divinity or deity in the Kaaba?

The word Kaaba is a set. We have lost them, even the Kaaba is not in our posession. The only one we have left, like the Araba...is Kaabiyesi, akaba.

If we hold Kaabiyesi to be a position of highness, a higher pedestal above others, and Kaaba as meaning honor, greatness, then Akaba is a part of that word-set.

I will suspect the place we go to give honor to God the Greatest (divinity) is the Kaaba
The person above us we honor is Kaabiyesi
The tool we use to move to a higher elevation is Akaba.

As touching Esu, you did a great job sir. The problem with yoruba history is lack of documentation. But the stunner is that you spell it out as Elegbara. Esu is someebody's name. It was the name given to the matriarch of Yoruba by people who want to vilify her as evil. Look at this one

Efunsetan: Evil Seitan

Elegbara on the other hand is one who saved the congregation, so one mans saviour is another mans hero. The Yoruba knew evil as a word from old, efun, they know the word Satan, sata, sota. Ota is Yoruba word for enemy, and its also a word for places in Yoruba.

Now to combine the two word, the Yoruba will say, ko besu b'egba. Egba is another word for Esu, Esu is not necessarily evil, but a variant form of Odu or Su as in dark. So we can not always see the Esu in Yoruba history as you have it in Scriptures.

Ifa priests are disciples of Esu, that is the dark skinned, she is the mother superior of their institution at the beginning of Yoruba empire.

I think you meant that the role of Esu was misinterpreted and revised with biased outcome. If Esu had not been changed we would never have accepted Jesus who the white man had taught around the world to others who were unfamiliar with Esu. If Yoruba stuck to Esu as his savior, then white man would have had to kill all of us off and erase any knowledge of Esu or make a second trip around the world revising and substituting Esu for Jesus.

Esu was indigenous to us. His new role is what is foreign to us. We have always had the beaded crowns on our land, its part of our ancient heritage and each crown has the face of Esu on it. Its no different than the Pope wearing the insignia of Jesus on his robe.


God Bless.

Before signing out I consider it very important that i again ask for forgiveness if i offend anyone's faith or belief system. Im only pointing to the root of my own culture and finding truth and pride in its greatness.

Noah, Abraham, Moses, Aaron, Jesus, Mohammed, were all Arabas and they divined.

Yoruba stuck on us because we are the true progeny of the line of Noah, a people of divination.

Arabs will supplicate to God and say Ya Rabb or Ya Rabbi. Well, Rabb or Rabbi is not one of the names or attributes of Allah. So who is Rabb?

Irubo - divine grace!


Edumare a fun wa se o, mo ki gbogbo wa ku odun!

6. At the entrance to the Kaaba is a black stone. It is a laterite rock.

Why is this stone at the entrance to Kaaba? Well, it is explained very well in Yoruba culture.

In Yoruba divinity Esu Elegbara is the gatekeeper and interlocutor between divinity and humanity. He is the one thst opens doors so Ori can access the portal, matrix, womb, and partake in divine blessings. Esu is the access to salvation.

Christians, take note...nobody goes through the divine father except through Esu!

Muslims, pay attention...El, Ala, are Yoruba denotes for Allah. El - God, Agbara - Greatness or Powerful. What do you say when you praise God as the Greatest or Most Powerful? You say Allahu Akbar!

Gebar, Gebur is Semitic for Greatness or Most Powerful.
This is where the name Gabrel came from. The Yoruba equivalent is Gebu.


Yoruba associate Esu with laterite rock...and in every shrine of Esu in Yorubaland there is a laterite black stone sitting in there....just as a black stone is mounted at the entrance to the Kaaba.


There is more to discuss on this topic of finding the meaning of Yoruba andthe root of its origin and it cannot all be covered in here. I do want to say to those who are ignorant of the knowledge that Yoruba is a progeny ofthe Abrahamic faiths. Muhammed (May Peace and Blessings of Allah be with him) did not approve of heretical practice but I doubt that he was against Ifa practice considering that all the rituals of Islamic worship took their roots in Ifa principles and the habits of worshipping divinities in and around Mecca.



Im stopping here for now.

Here are some of the questions I raised in the lost post.

1. Hajj is a visitation or a journey tha takes one away from home for a period of time and is Arabic.

Ajo is a journey away from home for a period of time and is Yoruba.

2. Umrah is preparation or readiness for the spiritual Hajj ordained as a tenet in Islam.

Imura is the Yoruba word for preparation or readiness to enter or begin an act.

3. During Hajj pilgrims entering the sanctuary called Bayt Allah shave all body hair, men shave the head in addition, and wrap a white loin cloth around the body to perform circumambulation of the Kaaba.

Ifa initiates, in particular Obatala devotees, shave head and are wrapped in white loin clothe as they entrr into the shrine.

These rituals are corresponding. Is there a connection between Bayt Allah and Obatala?

4. Kaaba is derived from Kaab, meaning in Arabic, a position of grandeur, honor, prestige and glory.

Yoruba say Kaabiyesi to a King in grandeur, honor and prestige.


5. Muslims are enjoined to face qiblah when worshipping in prayer. In other words, face towards the Kaaba to worship Allah.

Ojubo in Yoruba is literally the center or facing of the altar where offering is sacrificed to the divinities.



6.

I just lost a content as long as this post and talking about Kaaba, Islam and many other things that are very fascinating and revealing. Well, i guess God does not want me to share those itema yet...so I will stop here for now. Lol.

2prexios:
Thanks baba. You know you subscribe to Noa, I subscribe to Abraham. The name Ebora is Yoruba version of Abram. It is only in Hebrew culture that you have ebo (sacrifice) central to a peoples existence, as you have it in Yoruba. Ebo is offer, Irubo or Ibo is offering, something (food) you give in anticipation of favour. When Abraham offered ebo, birds came to feed on it, likewise Yoruba will say 'bi a ko ba rigun, a ko gbodo sebo'. Ebo is what you give to the ancestors to receive their favour. If the ebo vanish-Ebora, then it is said 'Ebo fin, Ebo gba, ire wa de Orun'. Ebo is the ancient Yorubas way of saying their prayer. Riru Ebo Ni Gbeni.

Lmao! Thats very true, my obsession with Noa is endless!

You have hit the nail on its head and truly this is the root of the name Yoruba. You provided the skeletal version, I will add meat to it.

Yoruba has no religion. Ifa and Orisa are our culture and sprout with our origin.

We believe in one Supreme Being from which emanated the divinity of deities.

There is creativity, that which the Supreme Being spoke or caused to BE. There is divinity, that which was before creations.

So in creation itself there were witnesses or aids or chaperons or ushers or handlers....whatever suits our imagination to call them.

The divine class is the target of EBO. So that when we offer EBO we do so in supplication for their aid and their guide and their love.

But why even make the offering at all? Their aid and guide and love for what...why?

Because Ori was created, and Ori exists in a malevolent realm and Ori is blind. In order for Ori to see he must have a guide, an aid and the love of benevolence.

So Ori needs a diviner and the diviner is who Yoruba call ARABA.

We have lost many ancient words with origin in the Yoruba language...fortunately ARABA is still with us.

Araba is the master diviner
Irubo is the act of offering
Atan or Aton is the altar dedicated for giving the offering
Ebo is the offering itself.

How did all these end in a people coming to be known and called YORUBA?

The livelihood of Yoruba in its birth, life and death stages is enshrined in IRUBO.

The name AKU stuck on us because every motion and stillness of a Yoruba society is expressed as an AKU moment. We never miss an opportunity to AKU-something. AKU is our time clock for recognising state of motion and inertia. We therefore can call it our statement of ENERGY in the universal rule that energy is never created but changes state and form. ...whether it is kinetic or stationary.

Eku Irin, Eku Ijoko, Eku Ise, Eku Isimi....


Araba is not a borrowed word, it is authentic Yoruba word. Yoruba is derivative of Araba, meaning those who divine. So what is the etymology of ARABA and why is this important?

Repeatedly through the ages and from credible sources in oral and written history it is established that the foundation for the Kaaba was laid by Abraham. It was an altar for sacrificing to the divine. This was before Judaism, which came when Children of Israel were given faith through Moses, who was of the lineage of diviners. Moses' brother, Aaron, was the Chief Priest of the people and from him the articles of faith and the creed of altar worship and blood offering evolved to become a faith.

So Aaron was a Master Diviner, Abraham was a Master Diviner, Noah was a Master Diviner. In fact Noah was perharps the first instructed on animal and blood sacrifice on the altar.

These were all Semitic people, or so we believe. Master Diviner in their tongue is called Rabbi.

Master Diviner in Yoruba is called Araba.

Yoruba would have been in its original something close to Araba, such as Ya'Raba, the followers of Araba or the People of Divination.


Araba, Rabbi, Arab, Yoruba, are all the same lineage in form and meaning.

To truly drive this home and drop a bombshell that for a long time I have restrained myself from bringing up in here, I would like to take all the readers and observers in here back to the Yoruba oral roots.

First, I would like my Muslim and Christian readers to please have an open mind here. This is not a religious discussion, it is strictly an exploration into the culture and meaning of Yoruba and I am not able to fully unveil and demistify the knowledge without touching on subjects very dear and close to your faith and heart. This is not a disrespect or lack of belief, I believe in Oneness of God as taught and practiced in Yoruba philosophy and I also believe in the divinity of his Highness. So bear with me brothers and sisters.


The tradition that Yoruba came out of Midian is true, and it is a fact that the Kaaba in Mecca is a shrine that housed an altar which at one time before Judaism, Christianity and Islam, belonged to Yoruba diviners who housed their objects of deity worship in it and offered their sacrifices in it.

I asked if any Yoruba know where the Yoruba name Salome came from. No one has yet answered this question. How about Gebu, anyone know where it came from? Dawuda, Apata, Gebu, Salome...all authentic Yoruba names used culturally long before we knew Islam or Christianity...and yet are all present in the Bible. How is it possible?


Many people still believe that Arabic or Semitic sounding terms in Yoruba language are non-origin and were results of assimilation from our closeness and sharing border territory with Hausa. I started to expose authentic Yoruba names and terms that are cognate with Semitic tongue and for which no equivalence exist in Hausa language. I would like here now to stretch the expose further and let Yoruba take pride in their own origin and authenticity.

At a time when world order revolved around Babylonia and Egypt and Mesopotamia, Yoruba was a Supreme power and colonist in Afro Asia. Yoruba left and relocated after loosing power and influence and refusing to conform to a new world order that emerged behind it.

Ifa was a progeny of the Abrahamic faiths and the Yoruba cultural rituals is the legacy which founded Islamic prayers.


In Mecca, shortly before the beginning of the ordained Hajj they have a period they call Umrah. Loosely it is called lesser Hajj but technically it was meant as a cushion window between the material and the spiritual

On the distinction between the Sun and the moon. Remember in the Yoruba cosmos, there is a principle of duality. Visualize Sun and Moon in terms of the duality present in the Land of the Living and Land of the Dead!

Sun is the principal deity of the living consciousness.
There are other stars in the day time but are not visible to the naked eye.

Moon is the principal deity of the living "unconsciousness".


The Sun guide our outward actions - will, and the Moon guide our inner feelings - mood.

2prexios:
Bros me, you are right o, but my tot is, it is an oriki of the same sort as 'Olokiki Oru'. It is the same idea that some brilliant ancient wordsmith made to 'midnite britening monarch'. Ancient Yoruba had scholars, maybe they were responsible for all Yoruba keywords. As to RU, riru ebo, I think it is the process of 'carrying' the ebo that is 'ru'. But when you say 'A bo RU bo Ye o! RU is identical with Ye. RU-BO is BO-RU, BO-YE. To bo Ye is to make sacrifice to Ye. Then study the response of the priest: A bo Ye bo Sise o.

Exactly!
So then, what is ebo? Why do we give an offering at all?
You are creeping up on something..

Sorry guys, i had neighborhood friends drop in on their own chosen schedule. Lol.

Yoruba, as far as I'm concern mean Yo (bright) Ru (night) Ba (Ruler).
Put more aptly, Yoruba means the light that rule the night.

Prexios so what is "RU" in Yoruba?

PeterKbaba:
From your analysis, what about:

Yo = Bright= Sun
Ru = Oru= Night
Ba = ba = Ruler

Sun that rule's the night.
Remember the Arab sign is the Moon and the European sign is the Star, while the black man sign is the Sun.

Therefore, the Yoruba's are either the Sun that once ruled the night (Arabs - Moon & Europeans - Stars) in the past. Meaning our forefathers gave us the name which tells a reminder story of our past before we arrived Nigeria or the Yoruba's (Sun) are destined to Rule the night (Arabs - Moon & Europeans - Stars) in the nearest FUTURE!!!

There is no doubt Yoruba was a supremacist nd colonist in past.

I think the RU is altar!

I begin today with a little deviation away from the subject under discussion and touching on the subject of creation and some other sundries that concretely establishes Yoruba as a Biblical people but even more than that, places Yoruba at the confluence of creation and dispersal of tongues,

As far as Europeans are concerned, Yoruba belief that Ile Ife is the cradle of mankind is nothing but a conjecture and myth.

There are Yorubas that are just as blind in the creation story of Ife. When you ask if Ife and Eve are not the same, one a corruption of the other, they snap and view the idea as a backdoor attempt to link Yoruba with Semitic.

Ask the European where they got "LIFE" from....what phenomenon evolved into the mundane and gave them the word LIFE?


How did ORBIT, ROUND and RUGGED become a part of English vernarcular? These are all Yoruba words.

I touched on this in the past using the subject-syntax exercise suggested by prexios.


Rabata
Rebete
Repete
Ribiti
Roboto
Oropoto
Rubutu

Here I have conveyed the idea of roundness in its solid, hollow, cyclic, centric, centrifugal and centripetal forms and did so using the Yoruba tongue and the seven vowels a,e,e,i,o,o,u.

I shall use this same exercise to unravel the meaning of Yoruba, using the root YRB and IRB, This is not the time for that, we still have some underlyimg understanding to uncover before we get to YRB.


Speaking of uncover, SALOME is a traditional and ancient Yoruba name. Does anyone know what Salome means or where it came from?

Mo ki gbgbo wa ku ala ja Odun yi, Edumare to da wa si to s'ike wa d'igba yi, ki o tun se alekun alafiya, okun ara, idunnu, ilo siwaju ati isegun fun wa, amin ase!

Prexios, how you dey my brother? Peterk, i throw salute, alaiye Tony eku afere yoi o, 9ja crips i share heart warming wishes with you, tpia ire akari o ayo ni o! Lol!!

rabzy:
The guy has mentioned Ahmed Baba which dates before sultan bello, asking him to research further is asking him to what anyone else can also do, maybe he has done so and he hasnt seen any earlier reference. If there is, you can also do the search and enlighten everyone.

The Hausa first contact or major contact with the Yorubas is likely thru Oyo, you cant assume they know Ife, and if they have given the name Katungawa to the people they met in oyo, then they will use it for anyone who bears resemblance, traits and similar speech with the oyos. They wont bother whether you came from a valley, a walled or a riverine area, since you behave, believe and talk like the katungawas then you are a katungawa.

Rabzy,
Just few years ago I discovered the use of root words to decrypt sense and meanings in ancient tongues like Yoruba, and ever since I have uncovered a lot of treasures hidden in Yoruba tongue, language and culture.

On this topic I want us to focus on the root word YRB.

Use your imagination to twirl and toss YRB in variety of combinations to create a set of words, terms and ideas limited to the 7 Yoruba vowels a,e,e,i,o,o,u. Sorry I could not put diacritics where they belong, I do not have Yoruba keyboard installed on this phone.

Share with us what you come up with.
Thanks.


I want to add that in case the root YRB is not cooperating with you, use IRB instead.

Y and I in Yoruba are interchangeable if used broadly, ignoring the standard Yoruba dictum.

2prexios:
Your conclusion is quite disappointing. Its not compulsory you believe the semito-hamitic theory before you are able to separate wheat from chaff. So the name Yoruba is from YoBa, then if you are the only Yoruba on this board, that's what you will establish as sane?

I think you guys are not after any facts or deep inquest, but after the migration story, and the reason is not far fetched. If the truth is told you will loose grip of the people and the covering of lies cast upon them.

Thank God for the Awori thread, there are families in Awori that does not believe in Ife or Oyo story. Yes, you have great empire, it is likely the foremost in Yorubaland in prehistoric times, but it does not make the people to come from you, they can not find their history and we are here to confuse them of their confusion or enlighten them about their records.

If we look outside Yoruba domain, its not out of foolishness, but on the available pointers,and if that is a sin, two wrongs don't make a right, you shouldn't be desperate to take any appearance of opposition to ours as the gospel truth, hello o.

Yo ba furo re or yoo ba iya re is as metaphisical put it, its insult, and vulgar. It means it will be ill with your a.ss or it will be ill with your mother. Iba is a form of sickness with the Yoruba, it is the root source of fever or ill-fate, as in

O de /ba/ Olugbon, o muu mora,
O de /ba/ Aresa, o muu mora,
O de /ba/ Owarangun aga, oun naa mu mora ni,
Kii Ba ni a yeri.

"Ba" as used in the above is the same source of the ones that we use as slang these days, or as idiomatic expression in "tie ba e" As such, ba as used in your kabiesi's post is for negative omen. If that is the root word for Yoruba, it shows how superficial our "ace historians" here are.

At what point did this slur become the magnificent phrase and next, so glorious for a conventional name or eponymous name with the Yoruba? So if we can think this superficial as to the origin of the origin of the name Yoruba, it is this same superficial minds that condemn the wise thought of others as crap.

Why was the slur the most magnificent of names for the people and,
How could Yoruba with repertoire of preciosity lose it at naming itself?

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Some so called Yoruba on this section are are funny though, they are under the Aole spell, they will always slave under Fulani and Hausa conclusion on Yoruba. I am not a subject of the North, I have a mind of my own, so I don't look unto Fulani man or Hausa man for guidance.

Prexios, bawo ni o! Eku a la Ja Odun!

Lol, I'm sure you are familiar with the wisdom of Zen's teachings of The Ten Bulls.

They use visual image to illustrate the stages of a mystics progression as he purifies his mind and in each step upward on that journey he sheds the burden of his mind and matter and reconciles his spirit (Ori Inu) with the divine truth (enlightenment).

In 9jacrips response I see a mystic unable to let go of matter, he is imprisoned by his own ego and remains in darkness.

It is absurd that anyone would even suggest that Yoruba derived from a word expression of vulgar, but to find that educated people subscribe to that line of thought is even damning!

kabiyesiii:
How could the name "Yoruba" be of Hausa origin? Let's give Samuel Johnson a break. He was away for a while due to slavery, and despite the circumstances, he did the best he could do. Some of his mistakes in "The History of Yorubas" were not intentional. What of the 21st Century historians we have today, what kind of archeological research are they doing, and what are their references?

Hausa called Ọyọ Ile, Katunga. Hausa would definitely call the the people of katunga, Katunga-bawan. How did that then change to Yoru-bawan (Yoruba)? Even the often quoted Sultan Bello of the Sokoto Caliphate would not explain that.

Yoruba people were known as ANAGO, from the ANAGO language we speak. Mali and Ọyọ Empires were contemporaries, and they had diplomatic relationship. And it was from Mali, that the name "Yoruba" was first used to refer to ANAGO people. As an ethnic description, the word "Yoruba" appeared in treatises written by the Great Songhai scholar, Ahmed Baba, in the 1500s, that refers to people that speaks ANAGO and its dialects.

An ethnic group is usually known by what its neighbors call them. Germans don't call themselves German, but that is what their neighbors call them. And Chinese don't call themselves Chinese, but that is what outsiders call them. Same with Finland (Suomi), Hungary (Magyar) and Japan (Nippon).

At a much later date, the "Yoruba" name filtered to the Fulani, and to the Hausa, to the Europeans and to the rest of the world.

It was through Mali, that Yoruba first encountered Islam and muslims. That was why Yoruba called Islam "ẹsin imale" (religion from mali) and a muslim is called "imale" till today. It is because of muslim fanaticism that Yoruba now call Islam "ẹsin imọle" (fanatical religion). Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS/ISIL, Salafist jihadists, Wahhabism are case in point.

Yoruba were excellent traders. Ọyọ traders were all over, and were nicknamed the "Jews of Africa" (no pun intended). Their remnants, scattered all over Africa, could count (owo ẹyọ) into millions. I would love to know how they were recording those transactions. I hope i still have the genes of these computing geniuses. Our historians need to go to the Library in Timbuktu and translate many of the manuscripts w.r.t Yoruba (Ọyọ), for posterity, instead of "attaching" Yoruba history to the biblical/semitic crap. Garbage in, Garbage out.

The question then is what is the meaning of "Yoruba"? People are usually known by something distinctive about them. A Yoruba returnee group, that settled down in Liberia and Senegambia areas, are known as the "AKU". Yoruba have greetings for everything, and each greeting starts with "Ẹ Ku / A Ku". As a result, their neighbors named the Yoruba returnees, AKU, because they always say "A KU" every time. And the name stuck. Yoruba and their greetings, embedded in their DNA. Yoruba call themselves "ọmọ karọ-ojire", because of their greetings.

Our Ndigbo neighbors nicknamed us N-GBATI (when) because we say that a lot.

To "stand your ground", to "draw the line in the sand" when push comes to shove, YORUBA would say "yo ba iya ẹ", "yo ba baba ẹ", "yo ba ipọnrinpọngba ẹ", "yo ba idile yin", e.t.c. From this common saying, was how the name "Yo(ru)ba"was coined, and it became synonymous with these Great People, of the Great Empire of ỌYỌ AJAKA.

Ọyọ Ile, itself, was derived from "ibi tio yọ" (slippery place). Ọyọ Ile is not the same with Agọ Ọja (present ọyọ). They are as different as night and day.

The Yoruba of today is 180 degrees, out of phase, with the Yoruba of old.

Kabiyesi,

Interesting!

Let us follow the footprints of the claims in your response and see where it would lead.

On the origin of Yoruba

1. Ahmed Baba (Malian) wrote an account on the Yorubas.
2. Sultan Bello said in his book "we are told".....so and so about Yorubas.
3. Samuel Johnson wrote in his book the statement made by Bello.

Before recklessly attributing Yo ba (a prefix for vulgarity) as the etymology of Yoruba, have pondered on the possibility that Ahmed Baba could have been a link in the upstream chain of transmitters of this knowledge? Did you bother to check if a record about Yoruba existed even before Ahmed Baba and how that record was preserved or transmitted?


Katunga or Katanga, I'm finding out, is Hausa word for wall. Oyo Ile was called Katunga because it was a walled city. Yorubas are not a people of wall even though they live in a walled city, so why would Hausa call us Katungawa or Katunga-bawa like you theorized? Ife was the origin and mother city of Yorubas and pre-existed Oyo-Ile. If Hausa called us Katungawa (people of the wall) in Oyo-Ile, then what did they call us in Ile-Ife, a non-walled city?

....continuing from The Myth,

Odúm’la speaks for the Gods;

For, when from the sight of men the Great Gods passed, They left on Earth Órní Odúm’la charged To be a father to a mourning people, To tend the shrines and utter solemn words Inspired by Those invisible. And when Odúm’la's time had come to yield the crown, To wait upon the River's brink, and cross To Old Arámfè—Ífa, in his wisdom, and lives for ever in the person of the Órní.

This is a chronicle of the Ooni dynastic rule.

Titles, Names, Aliases all got mixed up as time passed through the ages.

Aramfe is also called Ifa.
Oduduwa is also called Odum'la.

I draw attention to where they say Orni Odum'la was left in charge on Earth. This is a mindset and position commonly held by colonists.....world super powers or guardians of civilizatiins and world orders!

The Ifes...Yorubas, at one time had a superiority claim on world civilization.

We need to explore deeply and insightfully into the archives and legacies of these people and culture, holistically, and not half heartedly relying all on written chnronicles and dismissing histories passed down orally or in crafts.

Badmus
Bhadmus
Badamasi
Gbadamosi


pick your preference.

From The Myth of Ife....

Life in Ífè is as it was in the time of the Gods


Of Old Arámfè's realm . . . They went away; But still with us their altars and their priests Remain, and from their shrines the hidden Gods Peer forth with joy to watch the dance they taught, And hear each night their chorus with the drum: For changeless here the early World endures In this first stronghold of humanity, And, constant as the buffets of the waves Of Queen Olókun on the shore, the song, The dance of those old Gods abide, the mirth, The life . . . I, too, am born of the beginning:

The story of Ife and Oduduwa and the gods is the mark of a new beginning for humanity, a new world order so to speak!

It's story is also the story of Noah and a new beginning after the earth was cleansed and he disembarked from an ark. He was given a covenant with which to lead the affairs of mankind.

Noah had a dove, whereas Oduduwa had the rooster. Noah had a bag of secrets which he was dispossed of, whereas Oduduwa dispossess someone else of a bag of secrets (Laba).

Noah had Eji Ogbe and the octets inspired in him with animals and measures, whereas Oduduwa also had Eji Ogbe and the octets and the animal rituals and measures.

Ife was the city founded by a new world order built by Yorubas (YRB), aborigenes of a foreign land who established themselves as colonists in the dark world.

Oyo was a colony of Ife.

Because Ife was a sacred city and their holy land where they kept their altars and shrines and temples, it was forbidden for them to spill blood in Ife. They turned Oyo into a military capital and created skill guilds for expanding their civilization and order. To expand territory you must have defense and attack plans.

Oyo Ile had a fort, two city walls, numerous city gates, horse stables and as well iron smiths. Ife on the other hand had cobbled streets, palladiums and boulevards.

Clearly, one was the seat of political power and the other the seat of military power.

There is no inddigenous African culture that designates collective power and authority to a bloodline of priests. Collective authority, in other words, government of the people in cultures rooted in African indigenity is in the hands of wrestlers or hunters or warriors, but never High Priests.

The Oduduwa seat is the seat of High Priests.



I need to go for now, we will talk some more again soon.

2prexios:
They have been called Ayonu by their Dahomeyian neigbours to the west,
And Lukumi especially in the Carribean sea and the new world, and as well, em, Yoruba was earlier called Eyo by bishop Crowther in his episcopal correspondence with London mission of Anglican church. Crowther has the priviledge of reciting the Lord's Prayer in Yoruba (from his Yoruba translation of the English bible) before Her Majesty Queen Victoria, who listened with rapt attention and commented that Yoruba language is sweet to hear and sounds like music.

Let's dial back the hand of time. The take is that Yoruba is synonymous with Oyo.

1. Who founded Oyo?

IleIfe is much older than Oyo.

2. What were the people of Ife called?

2prexios:
They have been called Ayonu by their Dahomeyian neigbours to the west,
And Lukumi especially in the Carribean sea and the new world, and as well, em, Yoruba was earlier called Eyo by bishop Crowther in his episcopal correspondence with London mission of Anglican church. Crowther has the priviledge of reciting the Lord's Prayer in Yoruba (from his Yoruba translation of the English bible) before Her Majesty Queen Victoria, who listened with rapt attention and commented that Yoruba language is sweet to hear and sounds like music.

Let's dial back the hand of time. The take is that Yoruba is synonymous with Oyo. Who founded Oyo?

^^^
AmunRaOlodumare,

I do not dispute that. The OP took hint and changed the heading to align correctly with Obenga's study.

The modified heading is appropriate for the work.