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Prexios,

On this topic, finding the origin of the name Yoruba is parallel with the quest to find the first Yoruba society.
If we can locate the first Yoruba society, we will find the origin of the name.

What names have Yorubas call themselves in the past?
Also, is there any record of any ancient society with the YRB root word?

macof:
Says the man who claims to understand Yoruba language but can't decode a word he claims to be Yoruba
Claim claim claim
Enough of this...an intelligent theory is welcome but then carrying ur theory all around with such aggression without any basis only gets u to make a fool of urself

I don't owe any explanation because this is general knowledge which you know of, it's u bringing up something new that needs to Iexplain
I read you also have another one
That Yoruba means Europa so now we are Europeans?



Wtf is this?
Wat has Agboniregun got to do with this?

Agboniregun was the chief of Oketase(the holy community of Ifa Practise world wide) during oduduwa's reign
where did u get ur aborigine/Agboniregun link from?

So any two words that mean absolutely nothing alike automatically become cognates and etymologically linked.because they sound alike?

NOTE TO PREXIOS
When opening topics for discussion will you kindly indicate if its for intellectual deep dive or just to banter words on the surface.




Macof, please go back to reading Homer and leave Yoruba topics alone. You are educated but you lack insight and the depth of understanding needed to discuss Yoruba culture and customs, arts and myths.

This topic is not for textbook scholars. OP is asking a question that you can never find in any classroom or online materials. It will take people who have understanding of the root words contained in Y-O-R-U-B-A to get to bottom if it, and if you cannot connect the link between Agboniregun and Aborigene, I doubt very much you can make headway with what OP is requesting.

Excuse yourself from this topic my friend!

macof:
I jst said It could very well be Bariba, Nupe or Kanuri
Hausa nowadays is a general term for northern Nigerian people

And as I know Ba is nt a thing for Hausa language...it's the "wa" ending that is
Anyway I don't speak Hausa what do I know
But then you don't either

I take a deep dive into any subject that arouses my curiosity and interest. You will not dispute the fact that my share of knowledge here has contributed to your acquisition of information and facts you did not know exist.

Yes, you are correct, I do not speak Hausa but in the time you have not seen me here I have busied myself studying the structure and syntax of Hausa language and I am here telling you that YA is not a pattern of nomenclature they use to call themselves or others.

Hausa uses BA traditionally to ascribe ethnic groups.

BAYARABE is how Hausa call a Yoruba person.

There is no group, Nupe, Hausa, Bariba or Kanuri that ascribed YORUBA and donated the word to us.

You are craving to stand out as an intelligent thought and therefore you choose to argue topics on the side of scholars that foolishly argue Yoruba was donated by Hausa.

What you need to do is abide by the orderliness of traditions and customs that have proven over the centuries to be fact-tight and indispensable.

ROSSIKE:
Linguistic Evidence Supports Yoruba Migration From Egypt Thesis


For a fast read, scroll down to page 101:



Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regularity

http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_16/ankh_16_t_obenga_ancient%20egyptian%20and%20modern%20yoruba.pdf


As you read through the study, you will find that many Yoruba words that correspond to Ancient Egyptian are also shared by Igbo, Akan, Bini, Wolof, Bambara groups etc.. (just pronounced or spelt slightly differently), showing that many West African ethnic groups have deep Nile Valley connections from antiquity.

This has to be some cheap scholarship work to gain name rrcognition. How can anyone compare an ANCIENT language with a MODERN language for congruency?

You compare ancient tongue of one with ancient tongue of another if the purpose is to find commonality.

macof:
50miles from where?
Definitely if you want answers about Oyo ur best bet is to speak to an Oyo man who was born and trained in the traditions
I haven't seen anybody say "Yoruba" is originally a word from Yoruba language before this thread

People all over the world get to be known by the names others call them...so there's nothing degrading in a Hausa turned Yoruba origin of our ethnic nomenclature

another funny thing is, it might not be Hausa but Bariba, nupe or Kanuri language. All that is sure is that it came from some northern people- which everyone these days tag as Hausa

Really?

Between Agboniregun and Aborigene, who donated the name to the other?

When an English person call people Aborigenes, does this mean Agboniregun never existed as a name amongst Yorubas?

Does Clapperton publishing Yoruba to refer to Oyo people mean the word YORUBA never existed amongst the Oyo people prior to that?

2prexios:
Hello macof pal, tis been a while chatting with you, cute intellectual. Alright no bribing: please check where Oyo was before Aole, record has it that its 50 miles? to present site {will update this later} its across the Niger. Yoruba is not an Hausa word: Clapperton got Yarba from sultan Bello, then he got Yorrouba? tranversing Yorubaland with Denham and Richard Lander in 1825. Because a man can answer a question on the street of Oyo about the name Yoruba does not make them an authority. At Ado, we have ABIYO (a bi yo: Oyo camp) so I dont worship Oyo or Ife.

Thank you my brother.

Of all the Empires and civilizations of the Soudan, Oyo and Ife were the last to be contacted by the white man.

They heard of the Greatness of Oyo and the Yorubas back in Mali. They heard about Oyo being an Empire on the River Niger. They already had interest to explore the river but this information increased their interest. Recorders and publishers back in Europe were receiving bits and pieces of information on contacts and topography and using this information to chart navigation and course maps. There were bands of explorers who, searching for the middle of Niger, went Eastward from Mali believing its flow went in that direction, they ended up on the Nile instead.

Many perished in their search to find the seat of Oyo empire. Clapperton was on a different mission and he rode across the desert. He arrived Sokoto in a period of warfare between Fulani and Kanuri. Sultan shared information about the history of Hausas and the Kanuris but not about anyone else. Clapperton enquired to know whether any civilization existed further inland and who would those be. Sultan then went into sharing about the Greatness of Oyo. Beside the narrative to Clapperton, Sultan himself was a scholar and a writer and had written in Ajami ( the lingua franca across the Empires of Soudan back then) the history and background of the people of the Soudan, amongst them the Yaroubs!

Clapperton documented his findings and sent back home for publication. The written records referenced Sokoto as the source of the story about Yorubas. The spread of this record among scholars is what led to the popular belief that Yoruba was a donated word from the North.

It is shameful that Yoruba scholars, instead of correcting the error, joined in the bandwagon of those who credited Hausa as the source of the word Yoruba.

macof:
Look to oyo you say? no Oyo man would tell u anything different from this
"the name Yoruba was derived from wat the Hausa speakers called the Oyo empire"

no one said "oyo" so don't twist things here. Oyo was coined by Oranmiyan himself
But we talking "Yoruba"

Old Oyo-ile was in Oyo state along the boarders of Kwara state not Niger state

You dont understand Hausa language, can't even decode and break Yoruba to its roots in Hausa language but yet you maintain Yoruba was donated from Hausa language.

Can you then explain the disparity in naming of neighbouring peoples with BA and why Oyo was skipped and given YO.?

Even Hausa call himself BAHAUSHE, in the order and protocol of naming people.

So if Hausa is the origin of YORUBA, don't you owe some explanation here?

macof:
Why don't you ask a person who speaks Hausa very well? That's our best bet rather than coming up with random theories that isn't getting us anywhere

My brother, why are people that do not understand Hausa language telling us Yoruba was a donated word from Hausa?

I am charging those people to explain why Hausa will label others BA but give YA/YO to us.

If the cap fits wear it.

Hausa will refer to Kanuri person as Beriberi or Babur.
Hausa refer to Nupe as Banupe or Banufi.
Hausa will also call Borgu person a Bariba.
Hausa call the highlanders of Plateau Bachama.

These are people with whom the Hausa culture and civilization share history and frontiers.

Why would they then single out the Oyo people, with whom they likewise share civilization and customs, and append to them a YA or YO, instead of a BA as they traditionally do with the rest?

2prexios:
Yoruba is the name by which the south-western people of Nigeria and her Diaspora are known. This effort is an attempt at getting to the root of the eponymous name ‘Yoruba’. What could this ancient word mean?

The fact that the term ‘Yoruba’ has not really been studied in order to be decrypted shows that perhaps, less is gong on as research geared towards understanding the checkered Yoruba history at this era in time.

The onus lies on us to investigate as deeply as possible the meaning of the mysterious name Yoruba so as to learn from its secrets. This present title is the most recent effort at understanding Yoruba history from new breed of writers.

Tan mo o?
ko wa so.

We found hundreds of affinities and matches between Yoruba language and languages that were grandfathered from Roman/Latin tongues.

Words like:
Ritual and Oracle from Yoruba Orisha
Divine from Yoruba D'Ifa
Aborigine from Yoruba Agboniregun
Endure for Yoruba Iduro
Metallic Iron for Yoruba Irin
and so on and so forth..


When you inspect the art forms you see also semblance in the civilization and myths and beliefs.

Roman myths have their parallels in Yoruba myths
Roman art forms have their parallels in Yoruba art forms.

A study of semitic language will also reveal hundreds of matched ideas and meanings and thoughts.

Words like:
Ruku for Yoruba Orukun
Iqra for Yoruba Ika (to read)
Alhaj for Yoruba Alejo
Sajadda for Yoruba Is' Oju de
Al for Yoruba Olu

All the Semitic religions have physical rituals that are symmetrical with the Yoruba indigeneous worship rituals.


When we ask the question to define the meaning of Yoruba we must look for clues in the antiquities of those with whom we share similarities and affinities of civilization, art, worship and tongue.

Prexios, email me we need to talk.

3physical@gmail.com

2prexios:
They don't know o, the name Yoruba originated with Yoruba people. It is one of the antique terms plucked to identify Yoruba from the 1830s.

Alaye mi, how u dey?

The people saying Hausa donated the name have tunnell vision....I will broaden their sight and mind.

Lol....

The origin of the name Yoruba is with Yorubas themselves.

This name was not given to us by anybody.

Aborisha, where did you get this photo and what motivated the inquiry?

The lady is holding ritual symbols that dated back centuries but this is not the complete set, some items are missing. Is this the only picture you have of the cult?

winbyforce: Make I sign in ,Ekiti abroad . Not proud of much right now. My ancestors,especially the one that got his PhD from UCLA,be looking at me from heaven and saying ''What is wrong with this boy ke? Don't fall our hands o'' Dear God,please help me

I find this touching....very open and honest!
God will show you the way and make the path easy for your own success, and your ancestors will not depart from you, Amen.

2prexios: You are spiritually lifted my brother, you write like someone highly inspired. I believe God has elevated you so high in spirit and material success, this shall be permanent forever more. And more are coming your way, I'm sure of it.

I always look forward to your writings, you know each one of us posses different styles of writing, from tpia to macof, to tonyspike and to amo4ce, but you are in a class of its own in your style of writing, its just very different kind of writing that I always delight in it because, i don't know how to describe it, its full of wisdom I swear, so you know why I'm always up in arms now.

Some other great writers that I love so much on this platform are Bigfrancis, Fulaman (though we are not always on the same page, but I always read his post ), teracotter, 9jacrip and pagan9ja. These are good bloggers. And my new friend now is Howmanage, we've sort of connect. He's also very good and an elicitor per excellence.

I'm sorry I forget to mention my good buddie...
and my Apeke, the real firebrand sublime
(you know her)

lol. Thank you, you make my head swell with pride.

We should continue praising Alaafin on this outing and not derail.

God Bless Kaabiesi!!

tpia1: ^ bro, pm your "apeki", all these parables aint it.


just saying, no offence.

Rotflmao...

you have not changed one bit!

I miss you tpia...

I love your passion for the homeland, very inspiring and contagious. Lol.

I did not comment on your topic on Olokun because it was already off the rail when I got back here but I'd love to patronize you and say you posess the "fire that burn without consuming".

God Bless you.

thinkdip: Well if u were born in the millennium era, you might not understand what am saying. Now, I have realised that our ancient birth yoruba names which was always given to us through the way we came out from the womb when we were given birth to had faded away. Now, what we bear now is the western culture names and forget our ancient yoruba names..some are the name I know and while I feel we should continue naming our child at least one of these names so as to carry our culture ahead.

1-IGE-It was well known that when a child at the point of birth come out with the leg first, this child is always called IGE
2-OKE-A child who is covered around with a sac when given birth to
3-OJO-When a child is been given birth to with the umbilical cord crossed around his neck
4-DADA-When a child comes out with hard coiled hair at birth.
Well am OJO, but most of these names are no where to be found again..why?

Good point!

We had pride in these names back in the days when it was common to see in the community people in danshiki, kembe, bante, buba, iro, ibori, fila, agbada and so on... Yoruba identity was vivid!

You look around today in the communities people are in jeans, shirts, cargo pants, skirts, blouse, tie, suits. Yoruba identity is blurred.

The consciousness for Yoruba nationality must be accompanied by Yoruba identity in public places. This has to be driven by policy makers at the top. Our leaders are academia-centric, they view Western ideologies as an ideal standard and thus shape our society to be as close to that as is possible.

This is my view!

2prexios: Kaabo, se daada lode...

I've almost done a thread calling you back to where you belong. Please metaphysical, share your worldview about Yoruba with us at the arena, your insights count. You are indomitable, and so intelligent. You can't stop now because you have come a long way and I look to you in many ways.

I'm also very expectant of amo4ce and tonyspike, my jolly good fellows.
God bless our native Africa.

bawo ni oo?

Prexios, i miss you and your insightful contributions. Yes, Im back, and we are going to have fun teaching and educating about Yoruba culture.

Macof, nice article.

I salute all Ekiti sons and daughters. More progress and success to your efforts.

Oodua a gbe wa!!

Long live Yorubaland!

Op, thanks.

very beautiful.

These pictures belong in a gallery.

Alaafin has taste for rich fabric and colors. Ive seen many of his pictures, very regal from top to bottom.

Im proud to see my Emperor and his Queens in such an imposing appearance on a foreign soil.

Alagba Obaede,

Oro po n'nu iwe kobo!!
Eku 'kale, eku afere yi o!

2prexios: Guess why I'm now the happiest of men? My metaphysical is back! I love you my brother, please don't go. You know how much I miss U. Without "U" there's no "US"

whatssup my brother.
Long time, happy to see you!

Thank you macof for sharing this info.

Amor4ce, Prexious, it's nice to converge with you enlightened souls again.

This is a nice topic to use in exploring the hidden messages in a number of documented Yoruba myths, classics and tales: Igbo Olodumare, Ogboju Ode ninu Igbo Irunmale, Ireke Onibudo, The Myths of Ife, and so on..

First, people need to know who and what Irunmale is and what incarnation is. Likewise, we need enlightenement on the concept of birth and death, without which a reincarnation is meaningless.

I see also that you attributed "IWA" as Eniyan, Oduduwa and Oluiwa. We should discuss Iwa in a different context so as not to derail the subject of Irunmole and Reincarnation.

In summary,

1. What is birth, what is death?
2. What does it mean to be reincarnated?
3. What is the nature of Irunmale/Irunmole?
4. What is the nature of Orisha?
5. Can mankind come as Orisha or not?
6. Can mankind become Irunmole or not?
7. Can Orisha become Irunmole or not?

In fact, who is mankind?

Sholah96: To englishmen, baton is used to knead dough during bread making by chefs, not in bakery o!

so why do we have to call omorogun a baton?

If North Africans had gone in search of an English equivalent for matsah, the whole globe will be calling it pancake.

If the Chinese had changed the name of his "lo mein" to anglo the whole world would be calling it "noodles".

Why cant "akara" just be that, why do we need to find English equivalent so it can be called "beancake"?

Each culture promotes its prominence through language and tongue. Why are we so consciously dead?
Any wonder why none of the African languages make the list of public awareness literatures, like Arabic, Korean, Chinese, Sanskrit, and so on?

Everyone in America know about "fufu". This is because we did not give it an anglo name. Let's follow that example. Make them pronounce our native terms instead of yielding to their language as a standard.

Sholah96: Igbako is called 'saucer' and omorogun is 'baton'

So what is saucer, and what is a baton to an Englishman? Morevover, what is their utility in an English household?

Kanoro: Yes that is true but as far as I know, that was all made from bloomeries. Cast Iron was a necessity for precision parts such as muskets. If you make an item by hand such as a gun part or a cogwheel, human error will likely cause it to function improperly. Cast iron allowed you to mass produce items in moulds of the same size and shape.

We cannot at all times rely on written records as the authoritative evidence for historical facts. There are elements of hand crafting in bronze works and wax and stone arts, as well limestone that predated writing and passed down through oral media.

Our brass, bronze, wax, limestone, clay casts were native knowledge that predated Europeans access and have been assessed and valued as world class, why would it be a mystery or a wonder that an iron cast also existed as a parallel craftsmanship in precolonial Africa?

OP,

These utensils are Afrocentric, unique to the land! English language is a foreign tongue and not everything African must have an equivalent European term.

We must strive to teach any interested European to learn to pronounce "igbako" and "omorogun" in the native tongue, rather than attempting to find a soft-tongue for them to identify with.....the way some of us have done with our native names, anglocizing Yemi to Yemee, Ayo to Ayour, SHOLA to SHOLAH!

Stop the enslavement!