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madridsta007:
There are successful and well mannered black ladies in the West. However, being “well-mannered” as defined by the West is different from being “well-mannered” as defined by a “homegrown Nigerian man”.

A homegrown Nigerian man expects his black lady to love him and their kids, cook in the home, be homely to his friends and family, etc. A well-mannered Nigerian lady brought up in Nigeria is likely to provide this. However, the “well-mannered” black lady whose growth has been in the West does not think like this. Hardly. Divorce, disrespect, “alone time”, etc, are norms you have to deal with. Unless you want to deceive yourself, that’s just how it is.

It’s up to you. But these are the risks. Well-mannered Nigerian brought up ladies have their own risks too; but the risks on their side are less.
Other nationalities and races are good too; but we are talking about the “homegrown Nigerian man”, who wants to probably eat Eba and egusi and not salad and tomatoes for lunch. The “homegrown Nigerian man” will want to scold his child for misbehaving; the woman will want to “tell the child off”.

Can you deal with these?
Homegrown Nigerian men, can’t deal. Unless they want to lie to themselves. They will pretend and wish they married differently.

cerpvad:
Yes. You are correct with that position.
I just dm you. Check your dm and respond

funmisticqueen:
there's a reason why I ignore your existence.

Let me continue to do so.

So, kindly mind the misogynist business that pays to you. Goodbye

BRATISLAVA:
Unbelievable.

BRATISLAVA:
Why quoting me?

cerpvad:
^{He who pays the piper dictates the tune. Marriage is woven around power and class interface. Earning power and social class are two main factors I always advise guys to consider before marrying a lady. If she earns more than you and she's from a wealthy family, guys, run for your life. Some ladies, after using their earnings and wealthy family to entice you into marriage, would bite you back with a lifetime controls, blackmails and giving you depression. In fact they would be feeling too big to have sex with you.}

See where you missed it all. look above. Immediately after the actual statement that you isolated and quoted, the next sentence starts with "Some ladies". If you were not discursively indolent, you should have realized that with the presence of that indefinite modifier "Some" in the body of that post, the writer does not condemn ALL WEALTHY WOMEN like you have erroneously perceived.

From discursive perspective, you do not isolate a particular utterance from the rest while assessing a writer's main opinion on a subject. Equally, some utterances are mere exaggerations or overstatements just like the aspect which you bolded and quoted and should not be used to represent main opinion. In fact all exaggerations or overstatements are not valid opinions.

However, I don't expect everyone to be technical on how to deduce a writer's point of view. Since you fall into that category, you can drop your last words and let's move on from this topic for good.

midnighter:
I know you followed it with "some ladies" to qualify your statement but the actual stance in itself was wrong.

Is it "dont marry just for wealth" or "avoid wealthy women"? Those are 2 different things.

BRATISLAVA:
What happened, midnighter?

BRATISLAVA:
It's brainwashing once you can't think outside of it. You can't approach relationships with a clean mind because the teaching is always there.

Look at the main student of mgtow here on nairaland. martinez39 is simply a misogynist ... He has lost objectivity while he pushes the agenda: hatred and subjugation of women. On this thread he never gave reconcilatory advice. His aim is to hurt women through other men with myopic one-sided mgtow theories. You can see it in his questions and responses. He cannot evaluate info except it's in favor of men.

k4kenny:
You deliberately ignore my responses and look for something off point to post.

cerpvad:
Look here, your problem is that you seem not to have adequate expertise to differentiate between a main statement and supporting statements. I have made it clear that the actual statement you quoted out of context is a mere exemplification.

'run for your life' in the actual statement is an exaggeration. No exaggeration should be taken to represent a valid point of view of a writer.

k4kenny:
No, it was fully memorised by thousands of people before it was put in book form. Today we have millions of people worldwide who have fully memorised the Qur'an IN ARABIC.

DeepSight:
How much critical thought have you put into your Christian faith, if I may ask. I would be specifically interested in any rational explanation of the following ideas -

1. The Trinity (if you believe it)
2. The doctrine of salvation by the sacrificial death of Jesus of Nazareth (if you believe it).

Secondly your last words above mentioned willingness to consider an alternative point of view. I would be very interested to know just how willing you are to consider alternate points of view yourself, thank you.

DeepSight:
1. Lets start with death and disease.

With respect to death, does it not concern you just a litte that at some date in the not too far future, everyone you love will simply simply disappear - to a place and realm you cannot say for sure?

2. Fair enough, although you surely agree there is sufficient distress in the world to raise questions about the motives of the creator.

3. Last I checked, people still suffer death and disease in Egypt and Germany.

4. Last I checked, all human beings die - regardless of how"vast and varied" their experiences are.

5. Not sure I understand this, as my reference to history should make it clear I am not speaking about just "today's terms."

6. I didnt suggest things will always remain the same. Change is constant.

7. Once again my apologies for that jibe. I am over 40 and I dont know anyone of my generation who hasnt seen enough to understand how dark the world is.

1StopRudeness:
I don’t argue with atheist anymore.... I believe they are necessary....their questioning and doubt will help challenge christaindom and Muslimdom and with time help remove the human-constructed, selfish part of worshipping and honoring God....

China has already started making moves to adjust the Bible and Quran thus avoid banning it so as to reflect more tolerant doctrines over time

the truth is religion which is man made has messed up faith in God..we so called religious people are even found displaying unholy and dis-speakable acts....we have used “God is loving and will forgive” to erase the need for total consecration and holiness which the people of the world should know us for...we just ritually go to church and raise “holy”hands..there’s really no difference btw us and them...in some weird occasions... they are even better than us

...however, God has always been clear. In the book of Isaiah he said that there will come a time no one will force his fellow man to come and meet God, cos we would know in our hearts that he is God and we will be his people.....long before all this religion people just knew there was something greater than them in the universe....I believe that these period that people are becoming less interested in religion, questioning everything is kinda expected and good as it will usher in the phase God talked about in Isaiah ..

OyinO:
The place you call Middle East today is actually East Africa until the Africans were massacred and driven westwards and elsewhere. Every religious remains found in that part of the globe (Mid East) were the works of ancient Africans stolen, plagiarised and corrupted when bloody Aryans invaded and took over the land, then rewrote and redefined everything. You can keep going there for two million years to come, but Africa will continue to sink deeper and deeper because it's a falsified version of European and Arabic spirituality that you are practising. It will yield nothing other than more corruption, adulteration, degradation, degeneration, devaluation and decomposition of African Universal essence of existence on planet earth.
If we don't retrace our own original accounts and develop and practise it, it's simply an eternal futile merry-go-round effort of vanities. The three Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Islam and Christianity are slave masters' religions imposed on conquered elements (Africans) for global political agendas and empire building. These three religions have NOTHING TO OFFER AFRICA AND AFRICANS. Lastly, what is wrong, remains wrong whether everybody is doing it. Also, what is right remains right whether nobody is doing it.

1StopRudeness:
You are quite resilient...:I’ve been it at for mores over 3days.....your husband or boyfriend must be someone that will willingly concede defeat....cos u are clearly someone that will never let go of a matter

DeepSight:
OK - Gentleman's code: I apologize if I came across that way.
Please accept.

Its just what you said wondering how the word is terrible. Surely you have read or watched some history, and surely you have watched the news.
No vex, I really am asking these questions from a point of view of sincerity.

PS: Have a look at my old topics on this forum. You will see I am anything but flippant.

k4kenny:
O only responded to what was worth responding to. The rest was total hogwash formulated by men of ancient times. Majority of your faith is not based in what Jesus (PBUH) said, rather it's what the early church have decided to brainwash people with. It's no wonder that Christianity is the fastest depreciating religion(Google it), the same Europeans that enslaved our ancestors' minds with cockandbull stories are leaving Christianity in their masses.

Once again, use your mind. It's a gift we must put to good use.

Thanks for the good wishes

DeepSight:
Talking about ducking and diving.
This is just escapist.

Acehart:
Imagine a detective who only makes a decision based only on evidence without considering eyewitness testimonies and many other factors that inform wise judgment. That’s how a scientific atheist is - he has never proved beyond reasonable doubt (either to himself or the community) that there isn’t a God. When you ask a science-induced atheist how something came out of nothing? He dwells on the ‘something’ and ignores the ‘nothing’ until the argument is no longer objective. Once one is an atheist by choice, there is little one can do to change him - that battle is the Lord’s. For the OP, he is a contradiction and his reasoning - a-dime-a-dozen type found amongst who enjoy pleasure, is his drive towards atheism.

Happy New Year

DeepSight:
This is a weird question because if one never came into existence the question of being better or worse off simply never arises.

At the minimum, their lives should be sensible and meaningful, and needless random misery and tragedy should not be a recurring decimal.

This forces me to assume you are around sixteen years old and belong to a privileged, wealthy and insulated family.

Partially. Only partially.

Humans didn't invent death - they only invented stories to explain death.

An omnipotent and omniscient God could do better.

I haven't rejected God. I only reject the concept of God advanced by society.

OyinO:
There are three ORGANISATIONS that rule the world. Military Power = Washington DC, Religious Power = Vatican and Financial Power = Switzerland. None is in Africa but the enslaved Africans run after them in futile attempt to take part and share in the power. Legend Fela sang about these things but dumb Naija people never cared to listen. Pope in Rome, Nigerians spend billions going to Israel for religious pilgrimage, while the dumb Muslims run to Mecca spending billions in religious pilgrimage. Who is coming to Africa for pilgrimage? It's a system of dominance and political plus military power between the Aryans and Africans are the foot soldiers for sacrifice. What has Christianity and Islam done for Africa over the centuries? NOTHING BUT CONTINUOUS DIVISION, HATRED, CULTURAL DEGENERATION AND CORRUPTION.

Octaves:
Don't care more about the choice of word than your suggestion that there was wrongdoing on the part of the pope.
There was no wrongdoing at all. The woman Owes the pope an apology for grabbing him so roughly and refusing to let go. The pope like any other person has the right to free themselves from unwanted groping hands.
The Pope's you was an example of humility not evidence of wrongdoing

Mpanyi:
Oga, call a spade a spade yourself. When we talk about slap in this part of the world we think about hitting somebody on the cheek with the palm of the hand, which was not the case. The headline is truly misleading and the whole incidents should be taken into account. When I heard slap, I was like pope done f**k up. However after reading the whole thing I just hissed. that was not a slap as we understand it here.

cerpvad:
It is because you considered that actual statement in isolation that's why it appears to you to mean that all wealthy women should be avoided. Sometimes, sentences should not be considered in isolation to deduce the writer's general opinion. If you consider the general sense of the discourse, you will discover that my general opinion is not that all wealthy women should be avoided. That would be an absolutely invalid assertion. Rather I was trying to warn that guys should be cautious about wealthy women, not that all wealthy women are bad. Equally, guys should preferably try as much as possible to marry down their social class.

cerpvad:
Earning power and social class are two main factors I always advise guys to consider before marrying a lady. If she earns more than you and she's from a wealthy family, guys, run for your life. Some ladies, after using their earnings and wealthy family to entice you into marriage...

cerpvad:
When you pursue a lady and end up marrying her because of her social class and wealth, be ready to face the music whenever it starts playing.

uninspired07:
Ok. You’ve been noticed.