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Martinez39:
Lol. This statement doesn't make sense. I was only trying to show that the victim mentality you are displaying is a global phenomenon that is why I mentioned USA. Also, I wanted to show that even if women are liberated and give equal rights and opportunities as men, they will still cry victim.

There is nothing holding women back and there is no structure in place to make things easier for men. Everyone, men and women, must work and earn. Even you yourself are a doctor, isn't that equal rights and opportunities? Didn't you earn your MBBS in the same way men did? Was there any structure put in place to make things harder for females or pay them less? Even in your class, aren't there boys that were withdrawn after failing in med school? Where is the male privilege you are talking about? You are liberated enough to lead the life you want yet you cry patriarchy and embrace victimhood.

Zeewirld:
..That doesn't change anything.If she was doing it when the man was financially capable, I don't see what should stop her from doing it now, worst case scenario,she could employ a maid for that purpose.

It is not when your partner is down that you trash them,you are meant to cover their unclothedness at that point.

Money is an enabler. I don't know how the man treated his family, most especially the wife when he was the breadwinner because this might be part of the reasons why she is behaving that one.Women are generally very loyal.

RisenPhoenix:
When you are in a toxic relationship as a man, it consumes your time, saps your energy and drags you down. Have you heard of the saying: "behind every successful man there's a woman"? Well, that woman is not the type who keeps her husband stressed, she's the one who pulls all the emotional stress away from him and keeps him focused and encouraged on his important tasks. This woman is adding financial value to the relationship, but only in exchange for keeping him stressed and unproductive. He will never grow with her.

I am not writing a script for telemundo here. I am trying to help the op out of his rut.

Acehart:
I don’t know whether to thank you is appropriate. But it’s nice you read my long response.

RisenPhoenix:
It's not too late. Get a divorce, she's now a liability on your back. No man can function after he has been emasculated. Hustle hard, marry a more supportive wife, and try to keep in touch with your kids as much as possible.

The last thing you want to be in when you are in economic downturn is a toxic relationship that drags you further down; mentally and emotionally.

Good luck.

DuxofMen:
There's nothing wrong with being a feminist. It depends on your definition of feminism. One of my colleagues like to announce that she's the most submissive feminist in the world. We all know her, she's hard as nails, very tough, very uncompromising but doesn't joke with her husband. In fact it's a common joke in our office, when she's being obstinate, that we'll call Mr A. to talk to her. She's a deaconness in church and I've heard her say many times, that many of those who propagate feminism, don't know what true feminism is all about. For instance, being a submissive wife is true feminism rather than looking for equality.

DeepSight:
Some also insist that we have a pre existence and chose to come here. Whilst this is possible, I am not sure it is something that can be asserted with proof. What we are left with is the scenario where we suddenly find ourselves in this world with no prior memory simply dumped into what is for all purposes a cesspif of misery.

No matter how beautiful you might imagine life to be, aside from the fact that it is pitifully ugly and cruel for other people who form the majority, there is always the spectre of death awaiting us all. Again I know some people insist that there is an after life, but again, who knows this as a fact?

Consequently my question is what right does any creator have to put conscious beings through such misery and for what purpose in which they don't have a say? For me the defense of God's sovereignty is not sufficient because you are speaking of conscious beings here. If the only defense is God's sovereignty, then in the immortal words of Christopher Hitchens, why would we applaud a celestial dictatorship? A celestial North Korea?

The world is a terrible place. Sure, you can see beauty here and there, but the overwhelming experience of it is horrifying. Whilst some tend to insist that all the evil or negative experience in the world is a consequence of human excess, this is neither true nor sustainable. Natural disasters, diesease, and the very spectre of our mortality speak enough to this point.

k4kenny:
Yeah I was expecting that. That message was meant for the people at that period of time, not for all of mankind. Why would god wait for thousands of years before sending what you claim is the sole way to salvation? What was the criteria for salvation for the people before Jesus? What did Jesus (peace be upon him) himself say about eternal life?:

John 17:3
Eternal life is knowing there is ONE GOD and Jesus, whom HE HAS SENT.


The way, truth and life simply means he (Jesus, PBUH) has been sent to show the children of Israel the WAY, with the TRUTH and guide them with his LIGHT to the one true God. This can be said for ALL prophets and messengers God sent to all of humanity from the beginning of time.

After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

56:35 Surely We have created them a (new) creation, 56:36 So We have made them virgins

Ardar:
I hope you're helping her with the house chores if there is no help? Who knows if the burden of both catering for the needs of the family and also cooking and cleaning is one of the issues here.

englishmart:
Whatever truth it is that can't be proven. Regardless, Happy New year

ZzZzzzzzzzzzzzz:

Acehart:
Another issue about creation is the seven day process which the Hebrew text gives. The translation for ”day“ is “Time period”. If you do some form of computer programming, you would know that a time period is never less than zero or greater than infinity. “Time period” is easily the most adjustable parameter and easily the most inconsequential parameter. 6 billion years is within a time period or seven time periods. But you have not gone to great lengths to know this. If God was silent about the time period size, a programmer will know why - it is inconsequential.

k4kenny:
Jesus is the only way to God? You people are just funny. So what happened to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses who came before Jesus? Where are they now?

Jesus never said anywhere in the bible that he's the only way to God. Name one verse in your bible where he said that. Most of your theology is not really backed up by the scriptures. You just take a verse and give it an entirely different meaning.

John 14:6

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

k4kenny:
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What principles is your God sticking to?

Islam never stated we were created perfect, perhaps you misunderstood whoever told you. What Islam states is we were all born with a natural disposition (fitrah) to worship 1 God. But society changes this perspective as we grow. If you'll open your mind and search for the truth it'll come to you by the permission of Allah.

@bolded nothing is impossible for God, change that notion now!!!! In fact this is why I say our ideas of God are completely different. The biblical God rested after 7 days of creation, claims to be omnipresent, yet didn't know Adam had eaten from the tree, regretted creating humans . Regret means helplessness(what an insult), also needs a human sacrifice to forgive sins I can go on and on. You religion actually diminished the greatness of the Creator and you guys aren't paying attention.

simplesearch:
The difference between Christianity and other religion is not that of authenticity but validity. Not about which one is more authentic than the other but which one is the true way to God....

Jesus is the only way to God, and no matter where and what religion you are born in you can personally come to God through Jesus Christ the only way to God, there is no other way to God and you definitely can't come all alone by yourself. You need a mediator, an advocate, and that person is Jesus.

themonk:
You are stockpiling a huge load of irrational arguments, I do not see any context where a human being should own another human being as property. You mean the context which preachers use to brainwash people? I asked you direct questions and you never answered them because guess what? they Bible is not straight forward and it is interpreted by a bunch of clergymen every Sunday to mean what they want it to mean.

I lost hope in this argument when you said people owned slaves because “who will do all the work?”. The 13th amendment will feel insulted by this question. Do we have slaves now, And who is doing all the work? I mean a God that is all knowing could not tell the Jews to organize their society in a way that is just?

Don’t ever say the white man did bad by enslaving blacks again. Maybe would be a slave that lives his/her chain and accepts his/her position as property if you lived in that era. The truth is modern man is more just that the biblical God based on empirical evidence. You conveniently avoided the topic of God instigating tribes to war against other tribes.

When supposedly rapture takes place God will tell you there is no heaven and he meant you are going to heaven in another CONTEXT. Just keep brainwashing yourself.

themonk:
I am going to ask you direct questions now.

Did God enable humans to kill each other?
Is this character consistent with someone who is loving?

Direct questions would be:

Did God enable humans to own each other as property?
Does this exemplify someone who is just?

Guy1979:
One thing about the Bible is that it is highly contextualized. That's why you shouldn't just Read... rather Study... the Bible...to understand the Who, What, Why, Where, When.

tayrebini:
Understanding the bible is about context.

Two people can say a story but they tell it differently but the message isn't lost. They may choose to different areas of emphasis possibly on people or place but the message will still be the same. Settle this in your mind.

k4kenny:
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What principles is your God sticking to?

Islam never stated we were created perfect, perhaps you misunderstood whoever told you. What Islam states is we were all born with a natural disposition (fitrah) to worship 1 God. But society changes this perspective as we grow. If you'll open your mind and search for the truth it'll come to you by the permission of Allah.

@bolded nothing is impossible for God, change that notion now!!!! In fact this is why I say our ideas of God are completely different. The biblical God rested after 7 days of creation, claims to be omnipresent, yet didn't know Adam had eaten from the tree, regretted creating humans . Regret means helplessness(what an insult), also needs a human sacrifice to forgive sins I can go on and on. You religion actually diminished the greatness of the Creator and you guys aren't paying attention.

themonk:
On a normal day I would not respond to this because it does not directly answer any questions I posed. It just beats around the bush and gets to nothing.

I am not jumping to conclusion. I have read the Bible severally and God directly instructed a particular tribe to go to war against another tribe repeatedly and even gave them power to kill other tribes. I am going to ask you direct questions now.

Did God enable humans to kill each other?
Is this character consistent with someone who is loving?

You say slavery was different back then. I actually did a bit of research to see if maybe slavery meant a maid or something but no. Slavery is the act of acquiring your fellow human being as property, here is a Wikipedia link that talks about it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

Direct questions would be:

Did God enable humans to own each other as property?
Does this exemplify someone who is just?

God could have just told Abraham to free all his slaves and that would save people from a lot of pain and show his just behavior. The summary of this whole thing is that the God of the Bible cannot be trusted to do what is right and if there is an esoteric knowledge that explains how this things are just please let me know. You keep talking about “context” and “guidance”, various versions of Christians have interpreted these contexts differently over time.

None of Early Christian writers ever said that stars falling down from the sky into the earth as was said in revelation was figurative. But when science discovered that those stars are are so so bigger than earth they changed the narrative to these stars means the great men of earth or another version would say the fallen angels. There is no consensus among bible scholars and christian denominations about meaning of these things so I will say they are either under different holyspirits(which is supposed to interpret the Bible) or the Bible is literal in which case it is junk.

Please I need you to explain or justify a God enabling or encouraging slavery and tribal wars. Show me how these things are justified or point me to a place I can read about it. Please only point me to materials by sane authors.

Liposure:
babe, u too much.am just reading all ur comment on this thread n am astonished at ur level of intelligence. OMG what manner of woman are you

Liposure:
honey, i understand your viewpoint on d issue of atheism and i totally reason with you. However, u must come 2 accept the fact dat not everybody would agree with u as its a free world.And religion is personal thing.

englishmart:
anybody can choose to embark on any journey they deem fit. It doesn't mean the journey is correct

themonk:
Can you exactly tell me in what context it makes sense that a book of justice would encourage humans to own their fellow humans as property?
While at it tell me in which context it makes sense for a loving God to send a particular tribe to war against the other tribe even when he created both.

Like I said before if these things aren't figurative, it makes zero sense. If your argument is that God changed in the New Testament and started behaving differently, how are you sure he won't change after rapture? I mean he could wake up one morning and say, I no longer love all my children just these particular ones, others can go to hell. The idea is I cannot trust a God who did these things to love me. Slavery and Tribal wars cannot be encouraged and justified in the same breath, if you know of any esoteric knowledge that explains this you are not sharing I would be happy to help.

Sorry if I sounded condescending.

There are pastors who kill, when I mean kill I mean spiritually. Just the same way prophets in the bible could send a bear to devour kids under the "Spirit of God". There were native doctors who do good things only like heal people. The idea is that these spirits are in man irrespective of religion and instead of being deep in religion be deep in spirituality.

DeepSight:
Not at all. I mean it most seriously. And would appreciate a serious answer . . .

whitelotus:
First shut down hell. A permanent punishment for a temporal sin? Hell no.

1StopRudeness:
Atheist are the most entitled, bitter, angry sets of people in the universe ...they blame God for everything, they automatically want the “love” and “mercy” attribute of God to fallaciously mean no one should not die, fall sick or suffer and they must always get a yes answer to their request.....

and that’s why their greatest enemy isn’t the” non-existence God” but people like them who believe in God...I mean for a God who doesn’t exist, they put in too much effort insulting him...

.. just see their statement, all they do is rant about what God ddnt do.. all they do is insult, I read tru some of the thread, one complained that God ddnt give him a job when he asked hence he doesnt exist, another said something like nothing created the us cos a God who allow others distort his word has no power ....very fallacious thinking sets of people

k4kenny:
And you understand the nature of God? Kindly explain to me then.

Roycemadeit:
That's why our pastor's have not written another Bible? They study the one from thousand years ago. Lol

Jewessgratitude:
I never supported men beating women. I'm only saying women should advoid doing things that will attract beating. Simple!

themonk:
Human sacrifice that incurred more sins from those who sacrificed Jesus. I mean this is a God who encouraged slavery in this book you speak of, encourage some tribes of humans to go and kill other tribes even though he supposedly created both of them but he loved one more, this is unjust isn’t it? The Bible cannot be a moral compass, I mean Christians that have the guts to even argue irk me. I don’t like to argue with people about religion but I’m so concerned when people try to convince others it is a moral compass or a coherent, informative and infallible book of justice. Stick to your religion and just believe that things you see there you will get to understand later. Except you have any esoteric knowledge about the Bible or you read another bible different from the one I read or you just ignore the holes like most people do please just have faith that what you believe will be just and truthful and at the appointed time God will reveal everything to you.

Yes, miracles and divine manifestations work through the Bible but it also worked through ancient religions. In Igbo land they where bad and good native doctors and in Christianity there are pastors that kill their enemies and even neighbors and pastors that don’t. Some might argue that these pastors are possessed by evil spirits lol, these people haven’t read the Old Testament. The thing is if you are smart enough this should tell you that this thing is deeper than you can imagine. Go out and do research and compare what you believe with reality, theoretical and arm-chair Bible arguments don’t work.

themonk:
Which of these two should go against your nature?

1) Forgiving and forgetting someone’s sins without repercussion.

2) Sending your son to die on the cross in a horrendous manner so you can forgive humans.

Is this even a question?

midnighter:
When I used the word "can" I was not referring to his ability or inability to wipe away sins. Of course He CAN wipe away sins. The question is, WOULD He wipe away sins and under what circumstance? When I say "wipe" I mean totally forget them such that there is no punishment for them in the afterlife.

As far as He is a MERCIFUL God, He is also a JUST God. Sins must be accounted for and punished; this is the law. The punishment for sinning against God is death and condemnation to Hell. Who will suffer this punishment, if not us?

They used to spill the blood of a spotless animal as a substitute for a human, to cleanse his sin. The Israelites did that as a temporary measure to cover their sin and experience forgiveness because it was better than nothing. It still doesnt solve the conundrum.

Even before Abrahamic religion reached our shores, the concept of an atoning sacrifice was a huge part of traditional religion. People and animals were regularly sacrificed to the deity of the shrine. Yet it was never enough. Every year, more dead people and animals.

How many dead rams does it take to absolve a sinful human? How many dead humans for the good of the tribe?

We all have to die, because we are all sinful. Does God want punish His beloved creation? Does it please God to send us to Hell? Or would He do absolutely anything , including coming down to Earth in the form of a poor, illegitimate carpenter's son, to stop that from happening?

These are the bases of the problem, and the solution.

DeepSight:
Is it possible that it is God who requires our forgiveness for subjecting us to a sadistic creative experiment?

HRHQueenPhil:
as in... I tire, then bringing how I am jealous of the couple like seriously. Like it's opinion calm down.. Even men follow join mouth though I think dey are 15year old boys. Babe, u will live long and become very rich becos its rare 2 see someone with sense on this platform