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[center]I sure believe that if TB is fake,time will tell because God will expose him. But if he is for real,God will also forgive us for reigning insults on him.
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[quote author=Lord_Reed]1. Adam and Eve were created to be progenitors of God's family on Earth.

2. The statement of marriage came immediately after Eve's creation so that question is moot however it can be said that Adam and Eve were "co-fellowshipers" or worshippers of God.

3. No, Adam and Eve did not fulfill God's design for them as they aborted the plan due to disobedience.

So what point are you driving at?[/quote]1. Adam and Eve were created to be progenitors of God's family on Earth.-It is true that we are progenitors of God's family here on earth amongst other things.But not created to be but already are becos HE (God)created us ! Isaiah 43:7 made it clear that man was created for the glory of God ! Now the big question is this; Will God be glorified in our disobedience and sin ? The answer is No ! We saw God's stand on this when man disobeyed HIM and how HE got annoyed with man and place a curse on man !So,man was created for the glory of God and this is evident in righteousness and obedience!
2. The statement of marriage came immediately after Eve's creation so that question is moot however it can be said that Adam and Eve were "co-fellowshipers" or worshippers of God.-They were co-fellowshippers or worshippers because they believed i guess !This was evident in their adherence to the instructions/commandment of God before they were tempted by the devil.Since the statement of marriage came immediately after Eve's creation like u rightly put it & the statement of marriage did not come after they disobeyed God,this goes a long way to tell us that these co-fellowshippers or worshippers like you called them,were never encouraged to be married or received the blessings of marriage beos they were sinners or disobedient but becos they were obedient hence bein co-fellowshippers or worshippers of God !

3.No, Adam and Eve did not fulfill God's design for them as they aborted the plan due to disobedience.- If Adam had disobeyed God before the making of Eve,do you think Eve would had come through Adam ? If you say yes,this means that God has got no problem with sin when committed by man and would had allowed them to remain in the garden after they sinned after all HE doesn't care.But if you say no,then that goes again to show us that if Adam & Eve had sinned before the promises and blessings of marriage,God wouldn't hav commanded and blessed marriage. God designed marriage for HIS very own to HIS own glory.However,the command and promises therein had already gone forth before the fall of man & God never takeS back HIS gift to mankind.-Romans 11:29 ''For God's gifts and his call can never be withdrawn.''

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TV01: If what you are postulating is that only believers can truly fulfill Gods purpose for marriage, then I won't quibble. And that is not to say I would totally agree, but I could better understand that view. That does not mean that marriage is not "meant for all mankind", or that unbelievers cannot have blissful/blessed unions.

I guess the "objection" is that "Marriage" scripturally prescribed as good for man(kind) and instituted as male/female. Any other slant is an assertion. There is no where it states that is is predicated on belief or a requirement for salvation.

I just need to see a succinct scripturally based outline.


TV

Marriage is not a requirement for salvation and never had it been ! The questions to be answered before we finally reach a consensus on this issue if we truly wish to are below :

1.Why was Adam & Eve made ?
2.Who were Adam & Eve before the commandment of marriage was given by God ?
3.Did Adam & Eve fulfill their cause as planned by God in the garden of Eden before their eviction?

If we can [b]sincerely[/b]answer the above questions,i think there will be no need to continue following this thread !
God help us

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Taking you back how? We are talking about marriage so I don't know which "ones" you are referring to.[/quote]Should we start all over ?

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ifeness: Christians and many others believe that being “born again” means to profess your sins and believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins. Then they falsely believe that they will go to heaven when they die based upon that shallow belief with no other effort. Why would eternal life be that easy to obtain?

You have a choice to believe the truth or continue in the false perception that Jesus will save you without you doing anything to save yourself. Jesus was only the metaphor for demonstrating how to realize the Divine already within each of us and escape the pain of return after endless return. Almost all of us have been here before or in some other lower realm. Some have even fallen from higher realms. We lose our memories when we return so that our previous lives do not hinder our progress in the current life.

Being born again means disconnection from the "I" or the ego mind. The part of you that thinks you are seperate from the God mind. Truth is we all make up the God mind and reincarnation will contineu until we correct that.

Bible verses are not needed to do the right things or to know the right things to do. We are multi-dimensional beings who have the gift of dreams and visions. These our our God attributes

What a mystery ! It will be difficult for you to understand ifesnes ! This is not trying to be logical,or trying to not think becos you are a free thinker, or trying to use mere human sense,it is also not trying to analyse base on some cultural or traditional belief system. IT IS THE WORD OF GOD ! Only the holy spirit can help you through this !
I don't really know how to help you now,but if i can just tell you that the blood of Jesus made everything possible i.e,not having to work to be qualified but GRACE via HIS blood made the fruits(may be works) in us evident !
In summary,the grace of God through the shed blood of Jesus will take us into heaven JUST LIKE THAT ! If you choose to believe fine but if you and any other here do not agree,so be it !
As for me,i don't struggle to be perfect in other to make it into heaven,i allow the holy spirit to help me for i have seen Christianity not to be my responsibility but a response to Jesus'ability !

God help us all

[quote author=Lord_Reed]The Master himself did not attribute marriage to any group of people. Here He tells us quite plainly marriage is meant for man and woman, your "salvation condition" not withstanding. The simple requirement for marriage is male and female which He stated quite plainly.

If the Master the very Cornerstone of salvation when speaking of such an important topic did not credit marriage to the state of one's soul whence the argument?[/quote]You guys like to take people back ! How about the ones the Master gave a nod to,do we follow HIM ?

God help us

Pyrrho: Elton john being gay doesn't mean he f*cks in ur face. Elton John being gay isn't immediately perceptible. Would he write gay on his fore head?
Or is elton john a porn star?
On a second thought, absolute freedom is anarchy, bt being gay doesn't count as absolute freedom. I try to see the difference btwn being gay and straight... And I still can't make it wrong or bad, but assert that it is abnormal.

A gay may think you are abnormal for thinking that his gay advances and practices are abnormal ! What do you think ?
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Pyrrho: I absolutely am against such a law. No one should be forced into the church or into accepting the preaching of the church, neither should the church(group of free people) be forced to join gay people. I repeat! The law court should be enough binding.
It is intrusion...

You see what i mean ! They say they have the right but say we don't have a right !
If i'm a pastor of a church in the Uk and encounter such,definitely i will be glad to match into prison for the gospel of Jesus. This is the persecution Christ talked about for HIS sake.
God help us

shdemidemi: Like I said before, what they had was a commandment not a gospel. As believers today, you and I don't have a commandment like Adam and Eve, we have the gospel of Christ. Although, we both have our volition to choose for or against God. They were not Christians, they were not believers of this gospel if you understand what I mean.

Saying they were not believers of 'this gospel' will mean saying something else.But they should be a believer of a gospel but definitely not this one,you understand what i mean ! See below meaning of gospel :

1.The teaching or revelation of Christ.-This gospel !
2.A thing that is absolutely true.-That gospel(the word of God before the death of Christ )

I understand what you are saying and i also want to believe you see the angle am coming from.

God help us all

Pyrrho: It would be wrong for such laws to be imposed on any church, shrine or mosque. Or even people. Court marriage should be enough binding for gay couples.
Also, I am only talking about being gay. Gay-marriage is consequent to being gay, which is inevitable if being gay isn't a crime in the first place.
And I believe people should believe in whatever they want to.
God help us, if people can't be reasonable.

Please see below quote from yahoo news after the approval of same sex marriage in Britain July 17:
''Under the terms of the the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill, religious organisations will have to "opt in" to offering weddings'' Please help me with explanation for that quote !
No one should force anyone to do what he does not want to do but there are laws in the land that you must be forced to obey!

God help us

[quote author=Okija_juju][b]Dude..

I'm a married man.. Insha Allah soon to be a father. So please drop the being gay bit. If care is not taken, I am a bigger homophobe than you sef. However, I am not blind to rational and logical reasoning. A man is born from birth looking like a Man but having female organs.. You call him a Heamaphrodite. Should we kill him? You say no.. Its not his fault. A Man is born and raised in a balanced home and society, but grows up to discover he is only attracted to men and not women sexually.. You say Jail him/kill him, but have you stopped to think about how his brain works? Lets even say he is mad. A mentally unbalanced person. So are you therefore sayin we should kill all mad persons?!

Wait!! WHAT IF IT WAS YOU WHO WAS UNFORTUNATE TO BE GAY?! Should we have killed you?!

Okay!! What exactly about gay people worries you so much that you feel the need to kill them, harm them or lock them up?! Is it that you are afriad that seeing gay people around you might entice you and turn you gay?!


If per chance your kid happens to be gay, would you kill that child?!




Go and sit and think properly..


[/quote]May be we should legalize serial killing,armed robbery,kleptomaniacsm and 'criminality' becos we were born that way,feel that way and more people are towing this lane !
NO 'CHRISTIAN'(NOT EVEN PAGANs) SUPPORTS KILLING A MAD MAN(gays like you called them)! But legalizing gay marriage makes the judiciary look as though they are mad !
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Pyrrho: Sorry, If it was easy to believe in the way u ask God, then we wouldn't have any gays.
Gay being wrong remains ur opinion. Being abnormal, I affirm. But wrong... How do I change how someone else feels about something, when it doesn't harm others?

I want us to discuss ! Are you a christian ?The reason for the question is just to ensure it doesn't lead to argument.

God help us

shdemidemi: You referred to the commandment God gave Adam as a gospel!

It was not a gospel bro, what they had with God in the garden was a relationship with a command, It had nothing to do with belief.

if it had nothing to do with belief,how then was it disobeyed ? If Eve had believed in what God said that the day you eat of it you will surely die,how then was it disobeyed ? It was unbelief that led to the disobedience of the command !
See below scripture to show you that Eve disbelieved the word of God and believed the words of the devil :
Genesis 3:1-5''Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.''
Go through the scriptures with an open heart then you will see the angle am comming from. It's not a contest ! There is no winner or looser we are both Christians who are learning and beien encouraged by ourselves with the word of God as a basis for study !

God help us

Afolabs101: Firstly, I condemn in its entirety the act of torturing a fellow human being to death. In Nigeria like these other countries, homosexuality (state of mind) is not illegal, but engaging in homosexual practices is. So the law is clear, people caught in the act of homosexuality are guilty of a crime and are to be prosecuted and sent to prison.

Now, armed robbers are lynched because the people say the police will release them and there is the likelihood of the robbers coming back to exact revenge, making a clear case of defence. In the case of gays, there is no danger to other members of public unless the gay in question is violent or a rapist. So there is no need to kill them in order to "protect" the society at large.

Now for those who want to quote the bible to justify treatment of gays, please remember that it is a cardinal sin to take the life of another. So you can not say because someone is gay, we have the right to kill them.

Nigeria has laws in place that make any homosexual acts illegal, so if you catch someone engaging in this crime (just like any other), have them arrested.

For those who are here rejoicing about the torture and death of this man, remember that his killers committed a sin in the form of murder. Murder is murder, there is no justification

You have spoken well bro,any one who supports the killing of anyone no matter the offence is not a Christian !

God help us

[quote author=Okija_juju]What are you driving at?!

Go online and google gay animals.. Infact, Wikipedia it.

[b]I just saw a video online now of a Dog and Cat fvcking..

So whats your point again so I can help explain.. [/b][/quote]We are not animals ! We 'reason'like humans infact we should reason like God !Even that juju in okija can't say this !

God help us

Pyrrho: I have chosen to rely on the ability of reason God gave me.
Do u think God doesn't know that gays exist?
People shouldn't try to help God like he is handicapped. Killing that man is bad, even as I continue to think about it.

Beating the man(even if he was a gay) is bad not talk of killing him ! Jesus never commanded anything near that !

God help us

Pyrrho: It doesn't matter in law, cos we ar nt all christians, we can't govern ourselves by christian doctrines.
God has already help us by giving us the reasoning. I have a feeling u knw dis already.

You sound intelligent and calm ! Christians have no law ! We operate on grace !But the grace with the help of the holy spirit never allow us to obey laws contradicting the word of God ! Let's say i'm a pastor in a local church in Nigeria,and there is a law instructing all religious bodies (church)to allow gay couples who intend to solemnize their unions in churches do so. Do you think i will be a party to that as christian ? The bible instructed us to obey all authorities that we are subject to so long as they aren't contradicting the words of God !

God help us

all4naija: Then keep Christianity to yourself. And, stop disturbing others with your belief.

i do not think one should disturb anyone,even Jesus whom we follow said we shouldn't force anyone to accept the gospel of grace ! So why should i stop or disturb you from disobeying the God you do not know and even want to know ? But will i keep quiet and allow my kids flout or go against the words of God becos i don't want to disturb one atheist,pantheist or a pagan? God forbid.

God help us

Pyrrho: I feel the pain of Mr know-it-all...
I sometimes feel like weeping.
But I don't blame these people who curse and discriminate against being gay.
If u knw the basis of law, which is embedded in ideas such as freedom, justice, liberty and rights, you will realise that there is no legal ground that SHOULD stop anyone from doing whatever he likes, as long as he doesn't impinge on the rights, liberty, freedom of his neighbor.
As much as don't understand how one could be gay, I sincerely can't develop, or provide any legal justification against gays being gay.
Most Nigerians haven't contemplated on ideas such as right or wrong, and even worse the principles of law are not original to Africans, until they think as independent beings.
Why would a man be attracted to another? I can't understand either. Nevertheless, they are, and what should we do about it? Foolish men would say kill them, just because they don't understand, t[b]hey rely on the doctrines of those who they believe are wise. Morons...[/b]
I just wish I wasn't right... But I owe it to myself to be a free-thinker.

Life is a choice ! Some even decide to take their own lives ! It's also a choice to believe there is God,heaven and hell! If you don't believe,God won't force you to believe but HE cares ! Our ignorance is our mountain ! If one says,kill a gay,he is not a christian becos Christ never taught that ! One who claims he is a free thinker,reasons also !
God help us

Pyrrho: Why?


And even if it can't happen like you said. Try to prove to me how being gay is a crime.

For Christians,it's a sin !

God help us

mickyarams: Most of the comments here only proves there is something seriously wrong with Africans. We have leaders that loot us dry and sleep with girls young enough to be their grand daughters, we don't attack them but we get our knickers in a twist over two consenting adults doing whatever with themselves. How it is anybody's business I don't know. Even Jesus himself never mentioned anything about gay people, people keep quoting texts from the old testament the same book that asked us to stone adulterers to death even though Jesus said He who has never committed any sin should cast the first stone. The same old testament that ask us to sell our daughters as slave if you are in debt.
It seem to me most Africans cherry pick what they want from their holy book to suit prejudice and trust me I am not gay or an activist, I love women too much it's just all these hatred towards our fellow human should stop.

I'm still looking for the text or the exact words of Jesus concerning FORNICATION ! Pls micky,i'm not picking on you O, becos in my own case i 'love' gay people ! But what i want to know is if Jesus would had rescued this Cameroonian who was lynched becos he was a gay activist,and ask him to go and 'continue' to support gay marriage ? Well,to answer part of the question,even if the man was a gay,Jesus would had rescued him if he was to be in the midst of the mob in human form,but what i am not sure and decided to leave for you to answer(if u are a Christian)is if Jesus would rescue him and ask him to go and continue with his gay practices or support for it as it were ?
God help us all

chidindufrank: If you're gay,please move to USA,France,UK and Germany. Africa is not for you. The last thing we africans would condone is gay acts. No sane african supports this evil. Gay is bad

And if you fornicate & comit adultery,we also don't need you around !

God help us

chidindufrank: If you're gay,please move to USA,France,UK and Germany. Africa is not for you. The last thing we africans would condone is gay acts. No sane african supports this evil. Gay is bad

If lying is evil,practicing gay is equally evil But if on the other way round,pls don't call bein gay evil !

God help us

shdemidemi: This topic is not right atall in any ramification, believers have failed to see what the priority is. Marriage can never be and it is never for only believers because the term believer actually came with the gospel. Adam and Eve had no gospel to believe, they were made as man and woman in a relationship with their creator. The only one they had ever known and heard from before the arrival of the serpent. God did not create man because of marriage, therefore, marriage is not an end but a means to an end in the life of every believer.

A marriage is the the union of any man and a woman (descendant of Adam and Eve) in matrimony. Marriage was designed to be peaceful and blissful if God's principles were applied. We must understand the reason for marriage from God's perspective before going into one. Without God we would handle problems within our marriage like an unbeliever would (wisdom of this world) and we might likely get a similar result. We must dismiss from our mind the moral, political and cultural stands to understand God's own perspective as regards marriage.

I know you study ur bible shdemidemi,i want you to see the insight here and not just for argument.
I ask you first,were there instructions given to Adam and Eve by God in the Garden ? Incase you dnt know there were,pls see below:
Genesis 2:16-17''And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.'' Pls don't agree with the word of God quoted above since you said that there were no gospel for Adma and Eve to believe. I now ask,if one who believes in the gospel is a believer,what then is the gospel ? Is the gospel not the word of God ? If God commands,are we not to obey ? If we disobey,will God be happy with us ? Ofcourse No becos we saw what HE did to the disobedient occupants of the garden !
It is very true that God never made man becos of marriage but from the the scriptures we can see that God intends using marriage to duplicate HIS creation ! See below scripture for back up:
Genesis 1:28'' God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.''
If you still oppose the above word of God,then there is really nothing i can do but wait upon the holy spirit !
Okay,if God's principles were applied marriage will be peaceful and blissful ! In other words,if these principles of God are not been applied nothing good comes out of it right,going by the highlighted above ! ? All i know i could say is there are principles to everything that must be followed. If you fail to follow this Godly principles,nothing works for you not minding if you are a christian ! Marriage is for mankind whom God intends originally to be believers and not some disobedient folks ! But never the less,HIS grace abounds and all receives this blessing irrespective of your position. But i tell us all,there are special meat for the children that aren't meant for dogs !

God help us all

TV01: The conclusion here is not necessarily a fact. It's at best an opinion unless supported by further evidence.

There were no unbelievers at that point so it's a mere assertion that it was created for believers. What need was there for a distinction of any kind? It's sound like a fallacy to introduce belief/unbelief into the mix? And rather pointless.

(I see parallels - in a wierd way - between the gay claim that marriage discriminates against them, as their love is just as real. It's a fallacy, marriage is based on function, not feeling)

It's evidently more factual to say that God instituted marriage for "Mankind". And of course for believers there are certain imperatives for marriage.



This is not conclusive. The fact that God calls for marriage between believers does not logically lead to to the conclusion that it's not meant for unbelievers. What is in view is not marriage, but belief.



Again, not really furthering your assertion. Sin did not void the marriage. The curse was on all mankind wasn't it? Child birth is still risky, women live to please men , it's a mans world and I still work way too hard !

I'm not saying you are wrong, merely you have not really nailed this. I join you in that prayer, but otherwise my position remains; marriage is for mankind and believers have certain morés to follow.

Ihedinobi hi, what sayest thou? I have never really considered this. If you have any insight, please share. Briefly please.

TV

Concerning marriage bein made for mankind,i asked again,what was the original intention for God making man in his own image and likeness ? May be to be disobedient and become God's enemy !
Concerning believers having certain mores to follow,wouldn't it hav been perfect if all were believers so we just follow and not to have certain mores to follow ?
All perfect gift come from God and marriage is not an exception !God intended for man kind to be perfect and received one of the perfect gifts(marriage)from HIM. BUT WHAT HAPPENED ? Did God withdrew the gift of marriage from HIS creation ? NO! Because HE knows there will be a plan B to bring mankind back into HIS embrace !
When you say there were no believers at that time,i began to wonder who Adam/Eve were while in the garden before the deception of the devil(serpent)Don't you know that there was an instruction regarding do's and dont's ? They were keeping off the fruits of those trees becos God gave an instruction and THEY OBEYED-making them BELIEVERS. When the serpent came,deceived them,they ate from that tree,thereby DISOBEYING GOD-making the UNBELIEVERS ! So why are you saying that there were no believers then ? Do you think God placed curses on them for OBEYING HIM ? NO,it was because of their DISOBEDIENCE.The relationship with God was immediately severed ! Belief was in view hence the blessing of the marriage union !
Concerning what sin -disobedience did to marriage,it brought curses(hard labour in child bearing & hard labour in surviving ! Just to mention a few) into the marriage BUT left the initial blessings of God(fruitfulness,subdue and the rest)in the marraige.

I repeat,i am not saying that unbelievers should not marry,neither am i saying that [b]GOD SAID [/b]they shouldn't,all i'm saying is that the original plan of God for marriage was for mankind who were made to be in the image & likeness of God to be OBEDIENT(believers)of their maker,GOD !

God help us

Considering the below,i think the MAN is the victim who thinks he took something off the woman in an adulterous relationship!
Proverb 7:21-23
''With her enticing speech she caused him to yield'
With her flattering lips she seduced him.
Immediately he went after her, as an ox goes to the slaughter,
Or as a fool to the correction of the stocks,
Till an arrow struck his liver.
As a bird hastens to the snare,
He did not know it would cost his life.
See also Proverb 6:27-29
Can a man scoopfire into his lap without his clothes being burned?
Can a man walk on hot coals [/b]without his feet being scorched?
So is he who sleeps with another man’s wife;
[b]no one who touches her will go unpunished.

Please what do you think ? I think i will also like to hear from our atheists,pantheists,pagans and Muslim brothers !

God help us all.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Please see below scripture to show you that i'm not against unbelievers getting married neither i'm i saying that God said unbelievers shouldn't marry but what i am saying going by the title of the thread is that THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF MARRIAGE BY GOD WAS FOR BELIEVERS !
1 Corinthians 7:13''And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.''
From the above,we have seen that a believing partner sanctifies the unbelieving partner.This is the exact reason for approving the foundational mistake of getting married to an unbeliever.May be you got married to him or her before REPENTANCE.Pls see this scripture:1 Corinthians 7:14 ''For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
But have you wondered why the bible NEVER supported that believing spouse should divorce ? Pls see the scripture below before we proceed:
1 Corinthians 7:15 ''But if the husband or wife who isn't a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is no longer bound to the other. But God has called you to live in peace.''
From the above,we can see clearly that God desires the marriage to be for believers not minding that HE also allowed them to get married if they want.Marriage was originally for believers but the mercies and love of God allowed all to be partakers NOW but it wasn't the original plan.
Holy spirit,pls help my brothers here to see this rhema as you made me saw it !

God help us all[/quote]

debosky: The creator designed human beings for union, so yes - every human being created by God is eligible to marry. Of course, without following the creator's template, you will not be able to fulfill the ultimate potential of marriage.

Please note that even when Adam and Eve sinned, (and those that came after them) none of them were deemed not suitable to marry. Even Abram - the father of faith - only had his encounter with God after he was married, and he was to all intents an 'unbeliever' at that point.

Please see below scripture to show you that i'm not against unbelievers getting married neither i'm i saying that God said unbelievers shouldn't marry but what i am saying going by the title of the thread is that THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF MARRIAGE BY GOD WAS FOR BELIEVERS !
1 Corinthians 7:13''And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.''
From the above,we have seen that a believing partner sanctifies the unbelieving partner.This is the exact reason for approving the foundational mistake of getting married to an unbeliever.May be you got married to him or her before divorce.Pls see this scripture 1 Corinthians 7:14 ''For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
But have you wondered why the bible NEVER supported that believing spouse should divorce ? Pls see the scripture below before we proceed:
1 Corinthians 7:15 ''But if the husband or wife who isn't a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is no longer bound to the other. But God has called you to live in peace.''
From the above,we can see clearly that God desires the marriage to be for believers not minding that HE also allowed them to get married if they want.Marriage was originally for believers but the mercies and love of God allowed all to be partakers NOW but it wasn't the original plan.
Holy spirit,pls help my brothers here to see this rhema as you made me saw it !

God help us all

[quote author=Lord_Reed]In other words the fruitfulness was only for believers so why are sinners fruitful? Why are sinners prosperous?[/quote]The fruitfulness ORIGINALLY was for believers not minding that God allowed it on all after the fall of man !
See below words of Christ
Mathew 5:45
''that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. When God said to Adam and Eve(man) be fruitful ! Was he referring to a sinning or an unbelieving man ? NO,but to HIS like !When things changed as a result of the fall of man did God continue to bless man ? NO,instead he placed the ever first CURSE as against the initial blessing on man !
To the woman Genesis 3:16'' "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." Pls consider the highlighted !
And to the man-Genesis 3:17''"Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
But what happened there after ?

God help us

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Here is Genesis 2:
23 And Adam said: “This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.” 24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Were does it state that the man and woman have to believe in God?[/quote]PLS WHICH MAN AND WOMAN was Gen 2:23 referring to ? You think before the days of Law and even during the time of Law God had dealings with unbelievers ? God was referring to believers ! To HIS obedient children(Adam and Eve).
See below HIS words for to HIS own :
Genesis 1:26-28''Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”So God created mankind in his own image,in the image of God he created them;male and female he created them.
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
So my brother,from the scripture above,we can understand that man was originally created in the image and likeness of God ! But did man continue in this way that he was made ?
May be i should ask you if 'we' as sinners are still like God ? Or may be this one will be clearer;Is Shekau the Boko Haram leader like God in all his actions and inaction ?
Something happened to man that changed or perverted the original plans of God ! The devil is responsible for this perversion !
Let me stop here as i await ur points for us to proceed !
Adam and Eve were not sinners(disobedient)until the devil came ! The marriage plans that led to multiplication was orchestrated by God so all (seeds of Adam &Eve)can be obedient through through the obedience of their father and mother but the reverse was the case until something happened !

God help us

If you are married and still hide money from your wife,you are a boy and a bachelor who shouldn't consider himself married!

God help us

debosky: ^^

Biblical evidence tells us those were the first man and woman created, so yes I do agree there were no other humans, therefore no other unions before theirs.

Thank You for believing in the word of God (bible) ! Since Adam and Eve were the first to get married and from the bible we saw clearly how God orchestrated the union(marriage)Did HE (GOD)allow the union(marriage) for perverts,unbelievers,satanists,Atheists,demons or for HIS obedient creation(children) ?
This takes us down to the question of who were Adam and Eve ?

Debosky,i think we are saying the same thing but anyone who does not agree that Marriage was originally for Believers should answer the above question !

God help us