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Friend22:
In science there is nothing like rumour.
Establish facts or get lost with your fictitious stories.

There's no link between coronavirus and 5G.

There's no link.

This whole thing is just been peddle by stupid people with no known scientific background.


So, bubonic plague that killed people was because of 2G network?
or what?

Please, you people should go sit down and learn and stop spreading fictitious stories.

When you tell them same thing, they find it hard to believe. It is even most painful when you see the educated of them think in like manner. Science does with proven and well established facts. No one is interested in leading a tenure of conspiracy theory in Science.

As they say it, that is how it is.

jagojunior:
You didn't address the part that spoke about changes in the optical properties of oxygen therefore make it difficult for hemoglobin to absorb and bind well with the defective oxygen.

What's life without oxygen?

I'll like to read your inputs on this. Thanks

Radicals live for 10^-5, that is 10 micro seconds. If an Oxygen is radicalized, it takes such time to either repair itself of get binded with perhaps an Hydrogen ion to form OH-.

If you can understand that before such occurs, then it must come from an ionizing radiation because Oxygen has two atoms and the atoms has electrons. To be able to change it's properties, such radiation must poses enough energy to cause the electrons to be either excited or ionized. In this case, 5G frequency won't do such.

sonnie10:
There is no way you are going to explain these things that a person who is not willing to learn for him to understand.

At a point during my days at school, the lecturer had to use very simple illustration to explain the effect of radiation on human DNA.

He made us wrote the words CAT, RAT, BAT ( which are the normal spelling for the animal cat, rat and bat). These he told us to consider as the normal nucleotides in the DNA.

Then he showed us what happens when ionizing radiation interacts with this nucleotides.
Mutation or fragmentation could occur, resulting in the letters being rearranged. As an illustration, we then saw how we could now have non existing words like CAA , TAM, RTB when those normal nucleotides are destructed by ionizing radiation. These are precursor to cancers. That is how cancer occurs from exposure to harmful sources of radiation.

In this case, the radio frequency in 5G technology not being an ionizing radiation does not have the short wave property to be absorb by body tissue let alone break the protein bond that binds those nucleotides.

This is the most basic form of a layman’s explanation to the effect of radiation on DNA.

You are right. In radiation protection study, the weight factor (Wr) of a photon and electron is 1. Meaning that for the fact it is photon, it adds absolutely nothing to what was received in the computation of equivalent dose rate (Ht).

And I have been championing that we begin to build Nuclear Power Plant. Very soon, SA will finish their and Ghana will start. Yet our people are not even ready to learn. I am sure, by the time they will want to start a Nuclear Power Plant Project in Nigeria, these people will raise a lot of conspiracy theory.

Seunn11:
You have not explained why the need for close proximity of the so called 5G towers!!!

I did already, as usual, you don't want to believe it

Here in France for instance, the background dose rate is about 4.5mSv. Same dose rate that people around the Fukushima region refused to go back to. But here, everyone is enjoying their life, even under such low dose rate.

You should be talking about the ionizing radiation those that frequently take flights are under? Those should be your major concern and not the harmless 5G frequency.

Sirwallace:
And doctors told them the radiation is responsible for their sickness. And who the fvck take a vaccine for radiation.

If you actually know the effect of radiation on human body, you will not spool what you just said.

What kind of height of ignorance is this?

some of them have not even seen a radiation caused injury

Seunn11:
Have you ever heard that you should not drink water from plastic bottle already exposed to sun? Have you? Why do you think they said that?? Even when you as a person is also exposed to the same sun.
It is all because of the ease with which polymers ionize in presence of various radiations!

Same way microwave does not pose any risk but when you place it on some materials that are not microwave compatible, they ionize it and form radicals.

You are struggling too hard to prove the simple fact that 5G does not pose any risk to anyone as it does not ionize the least particle in terms of mass -electrons.

Seunn11:
Can you explain the need for close proximity of the 5G towers?

In health and radiation studies, they are two effects that Ionizing Radiations (IR) will have on you. It is deterministic effect (It happens instantly and it's latency appear in days or months after exposure. I will send a picture of a radiation injury. In Deterministic effect, it is known that severity increases with dose.

The second is stochastic effect, and it doesn't occur immediately. It takes time to manifest. It is known that frequency increases with the dose. When you are in close proximity with IR or say EMF radiations consistently for a long time, you are bound to experience stochastic effect which may manifest in years time. So you should be bothered about the stochastic effect of subjecting yourself under such radiations. But since it is even non ionizing, it's not been proven that someone has experienced any effect due to it. We are constantly under the Sun with powerful UV radiations.

sonnie10:
@ at Uranium, lol. Even nuclear radioactive capsules used in Nuclear medicine is highly guarded and totally accounted for. Some comments here are so ridiculous. Do they think a robust and powerful organization like international atomic energy would sit around and watch people mess around with these things?

Exactly. If only they know how some of these substances are guarded.

When we want to use high radioactive materials, sometimes we wait for it as if it is a powerful person that we are waiting for. Even the least ionizing of them are well protected and properly accounted for let alone uranium and plutonium.

Funny comments

canDy4eva:
...So you are in France and determining what happens here?

Work with your 5g or even 6g and allow us work with our 2g, Biko.

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canDy4eva:
...the civilized people killing her citizens abi?


The last time I checked the 4g we are using is also harmful.


We say NO NO NO to 5g

kk

Weedsmoker:
The op analysis is very wrong,I will be back to debunk his claims in few minutes.

I have a PhD in industrial radiation.

I will be waiting to learn from you bro

Seunn11:
Microwave is already used in telecommunications!
Are you studying in a hole!

Even in Nigeria, I have a friend who work in such company where they use microwave in telecommunication.

canDy4eva:
Please stop this!


May posterity not hold this against you!

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Halo22:
The 5G network z not even the issue cos it is not a radioactive, but the problem is what is normally used to propagate its wavelength (uranium) which is highly radioactive. However the OP did a very educative research in order to redirect people's mindset.

Chai, how did we get to this point. Sonnie10 can you imagine this?

How on earth did a country like ours inherit people of such reasoning and mentality

sonnie10:
What that guy is trying to explain has even proved wrong by the use of MRI for human body imaging. At the early stage, scientists were concerned about the interaction of the electromagnetic waves with the protons within the cells of the human body. They were particularly worried about the reorientation of this proton part of the cell during MRI procedures.

A lot of studies have been done in this regard and there is no evidence of such harmful effect.
Up until now, there is no report of people having any adverse reactions from electromagnetic effect non ionizing radiation source like MRI when used in safe manner, how much more 5G technology.

God bless you brother. I couldn't have said it better than you.

Sirwallace:
I read the guy assertion and I laugh at his ignorance. Imagine condemning a theory without any prove to counter it. Where he got the fake news of the chinese destroying their 5G mast is another misinformation.

Just like we have fools in Nigeria, they are many foolish people in the colonial masters countries like the idiots in Birmingham.

All my days in secondary school to the university, radiations with high ionization energy like alpha particles couple with the fastest of them all gamma rays and hard x-rays are dreaded radiations everybody was scared due to their energy and fast speed.

A common radio waves from 5G causing such damage and people fell for it just because one stupid senator and some cunny fraudster pastors bought into the silly conspiracy.

Whenever I go into the lab, we handle radiation sources, but we because the concept is already well understood, we know the limit and how to handle the sources. People work in Nuclear Power Plants and they live even till old age.

To me, the risk of living in Nigeria alone is higher than even some ionizing radiations.

Danniedpastor:
You don't have to pay attention to me because I've not said anything on the matter on ground.

I'm only saying that no human knowledge is perfect.

Don't forget that , America knew nothing about the Corona virus. That was because China concealed it from them.

The knowledge you have might just be a filtered version.

Stay blessed

Of course, I am just saying that what I wrote here is a basic knowledge, basic physics and one that those with understanding of what radiation is already know.

But you want me to join in the bandwagon of those who believe conspiracy theory such as this? From people that knows absolutely nothing about it. In my post, I didn't mention anything about China and US, it's non of my business.

I just concentrated on whether or not 5G is responsible for Covid-19? Which I have shown above to be false and an assertion that should be discarded by any sane person.

merahki:
Intelligence is knowing what and when and how to delearn, unlearn, learn and relearn when necessary.
I have read your post- it is an insightful read. I am a doctor, so I understood many of your terms, and had a trip to a science centre before, etc
So with no disrespect meant, I go...it is absolute unintelligence and egocentric to think that only “our” knowledge is the absolute truth
Can you tell me that without a categorical doubt that everything you know about 5G is true? If yes, how do you know this? Who fed you the knowledge? Is there any missing link/clue that you may have been hasty to toss away? Can there be an alternate truth? Or you already know the absolute truth? Why would the world leave people behind on technology and especially when there are gaps in every other life sphere? Do you not see a possible if not probable dodgy intent behind this?
I just want to learn and I enjoyed reading your topic (to the extent that Physics would let me!)
Cheers

I am responding because of the emboldened and I do not have the intention of talking physics because I am not even an expert in physics. I created this thread because it is basic physics and I have understanding on what radiation is, how it is measured, it's impact on people. I can tell you about radiation and you can atleast say it is coming from someone who understands it.

Now, I am presenting to you what is called Cohort Study. It is a Life Span Study of survivors of Hiroshima Nagazaki bomb blast where over 100k persons were followed for many years. This is believed to be the most reliable information on the effects of radiation on matter.

1st image is categories of those followed and their closeness to the epicentre. Remember over 200k people died instantly due to the bomb blast.
2nd image, is the observed effects. Now these are highly ionizing and harmful radiations.

This is in response to how I got my info.

Imagine as a doctor that you told a pregnant woman that stress will lead to miscarriage, and she asked you these questions you asked me below:

Can you tell me that without a categorical doubt that everything you know about pregnancy is true? If yes, how do you know this? Who fed you the knowledge? Is there any missing link/clue that you may have been hasty to toss away? Can there be an alternate truth? Or you already know the absolute truth? Why would the world leave people behind on technology and especially when there are gaps in every other life sphere? Do you not see a possible if not probable dodgy intent behind this?

How would you feel?

InvertedHammer:
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MrPhysics probably read a Physics textbook written in 1973 that he checked out in University of Ibadan's library. I won't put it beyond Nigerian professors to be teaching from the notes they prepared in 60s. We can learn to excuse his half-baked education...not entirely his fault.

Human Physiology is too extensive to be explained only with its relationship with non-biological science like Physics.
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I like you because you sit behind your keyboard to say whatever you want. And then cross it with a forward and backward slash

Well, I am not speaking from knowledge of 60s, I am currently studying Nuclear Engineering and it's not in Nigeria.

NairaMaster1:
You only spoke on the Physics point. The aspect you know nothing about is the biochemical effects.

EMF is not friendly to protein.
I would have taken this write up serious if he had even ACKNOWLEDGED the effects of radio waves on human health.

Even elementary physics exposed the effects of EMF and RF or RW on human health.

It may not be CORONAVIRUS per se, but it's autoimmune effects.
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there are a lot of contrary study published in recent years.

Most of them concerned about evidence of biochemical or cellular effects of electromagnetic fields.

There are many papers showing that a weak EMF (NOT 5G) has no significant effect on biological systems.

I have studied the effects of radiation on cells, DNA, and the creation of radicals of ions whose life times are so small and can cause mutation. However, these are ionizing radiations.

Well, like I said, EMF of the order of 5 Ghz can not ionize the body, it does not posses enough energy to rip off electrons on DNAs. It can only cause vibrations or heating which is so insignificant that it may never be noticed.

All those tests of course would show you such possibilities on cells at a very nano or pico level.

Have you heard about Cohort Studies? It is a life span study on survivors of Hiroshima Nagazaki bomb blast. We have that only 2% of those who have died died of cancer related issues. This is after 50 years. Most of the survivors are still living.

Danniedpastor:
You are defending this 5g basrf on your knowledge of physics. A knowledge a mortal thought you.. Have you asked 'what if my teacher was not told the whole truth'? "What if the conspiracy is true?

Do you think all the knowledge you have is perfect?
Please be careful because we are heading in to another phase of human existence
This is not a conspiracy theory... stay awoke

A mortal that did a lot of experiment, presented to group of experts and it was acknowledged to be true and a fact.

Now you want me to listen to you, a MoG on this subject? Absolutely no, you don't have the right to speak on such subject

oxiide22:
are u sure you are a nuclear physics graduate?

No sir.

persius555:
1. 5G did not originate in China. Huawei, the leading radio telecommunications equipment manufacturer is offering 5G radio equipment at very cheap prices compared to global competitors.
The South Koreans were first to launch 5G network back in early 2nd quarter, 2019.
5G is a global standards for mobile licensed Communication.

2. Microwave don't cause cancer. Microwaves cause water molecules to vibrate and that produces heat. The American Cancer Society (ACS) goes further to calm your nerves: “Microwaves…do not make food radioactive.

3. Long time exposure to UV light is dangerous to your eyesight. Isn't that why you are adviced to wear UV protection glass during eclipse.

4. During X-ray and MRI scans, you are are made to wears protectives over your eyes because they are high energy mmWaves of very short wavelengths. Short term exposure is what enables laboratory technicians take cathode images of your bones structure.

This is absolutely correct and well highlighted.

In some therapeutic scans, patients are injected with radioisotopes with a very short half life. Even though they are radioactive, we all do know it does not pose any major risk to the health.

babyfaceafrica:
We owe these guys appreciate and gratitude


What is this?.. Are they giving us free?.. Who begged them?.. They are making money from it handsomely so why should I thank them?.. With all the technology and civilization, Covid-19 humbled them all!!

you buy this, buy that. Yet your country can't even buy a technology to construct good roads, good network, and good infrastructure.

The only native technology you have is corruption and it's already dealing with us.

Come on!, appreciate them

InvertedHammer:
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X-Ray is not harmful to human health?

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If this is true as it is, when then do people claim a radio wave is harmful to the body?

InvertedHammer:
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If those racist French doctors show up in Nigeria, MrPhysics will join the queue to get vaccinated because he read a book that states that vaccination is good. So much for our education. As a Nuclear Physicist he claims, ask him if he can identify a kitchen microwave in a lineup.

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You guys loves jokes. So let us laugh along while we educate people.


You said you saw some wrong numbers or figures on the post, please point it out, so I can also learn. It must have been an oversight. Could you point it out?

Fariq:
You only talk on the physics aspect without the biological aspect which concerns life.

5G network operates at 60 Giga hertz which is oxygen absorption band. I.e 98 percentage of the energy at that frequency is absorbed by atmospheric oxygen.

This changes the optical properties of oxygen, which in turns makes it difficult to bind to haemoglobin when inhaled by a person.

In the human body, oxygen binds to haemoglobin in the red blood cells which then circulate to all tissues of the body.

Less binding capacity of oxygen to haemoglobin = less oxygen to the tissues of the body = shortness of breath and related complications.

5G is also linked to immunosuppression that weakens the body immune system. Having in mind that the body immune system is responsible for defense against foreign pathogens including coronavirus.

@mrphysics

There's nothing that is impossible. I didn't say the body can't absorb radiowaves, it does ofcourse. However, what effect does it have on the body. These waves are non ionizing and poses low ionization potential. I highlighted in my post that anything containing (H, C, N, O) can't be ionized by waves that is below 12.4 eV (which 5 GHz fall under). It means it does not affect it's make up by modifying it's fundamental particles.

Anything can be linked to immunosuppression, linking is one thing but it is not fact. I read all these link to this, link to that, are there facts?

GeneralPula:
[s]Oga, no be only you pass Phy for school. No dey compare wetin dey sup with the present with what you were thought in school then. A lot of things don occur, things don change. There’s evil on ground. You gotta understand that! [/s]

You Nigerians are something else.

Most of you live by making high level statements backed up by Nothing and expect to shove it down the throats of learned people.

It doesn't work that way. You don't prove truth right, you prove it wrong. So start by proving the truths I wrote up there wrong.

lampi:
nice write up but have you thought of the effects of 5g on unicellular organism like virus. because you only discussed it effect on complex organism. the concern about 5g is not if causes cancer or not but the mutation it cause in virus DNA . so you just have to review ur write up

It's still the same thing bro. DNA's are proteins with strands made up of Carbon, Oxygen and Hyrdogen. Viruses are made up of fundamental particles and for mutation to occur, it should be able to ionize them so as to modify them. Mutation is just modification of the cellular structures or DNA strands.

In radiation study, there are stochastic and deterministic effects. And you are talking about deterministic effect from non ionizing radiations? You have to conduct a cohort study by following about 100k persons whom you irradiate from 5g waves for a long time in order to see if it has effects on them.

Except when you have done that, I think 5G remains harmless.

mako007:
We just want to breathe.

Yeah, it's fine but you have to breathe well. We are all breathing in Nigeria, yet asking the government for amenities that will enable us breathe effectively.

For instance, I am in France, internet seem to be nothing here, telephone calls too, text messages. But in Nigeria, this is not the case. People pay high too for internet but get poor network, data that gets exhausted within hours.


You want us to keep living this way? Can you compare it's risk to the risk of driving from Abuja to Enugu or Lagos? How about the risk of driving from Abuja to Kaduna? Which one poses more risk than the other? 5G or the ones I mentioned?

mako007:
Bro I'm texting you via 3G right now, 5G doesn't guarantee we won't have network problem, stay woke!

I'm not into the theory of 5g being the cause for covid-19 outbreak or not , I'm only saying since this same 5g is for the people and the people don't trust it in these perilous time when all we want is just to breathe then it should be discontinued till this outbreak is fully contained. Government of the people, for the people and by the people, right?

What a way to think about it. So once a group of rumor mongers and propagators raise the air on anything again, then the government should discontinue it?

What a way to live. How did we get to this point?

mako007:
Must we use 5g? If the populace don't feel safe using it, irrespective of being correct or not I think it's best for it to be discontinued for a while till the world heals then we can start trials and see. Haba!

But you will keep complaining of network problem? How do you want to develop your country if you allow religion to becloud your sense of judgement? Is that how civilized countries think?

You were shown facts and figures and you want the entire country to remain primitive because of the opinions and views of religious people who do not understand the concept?