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Salam,

No any problem, abulbanaat. I understand your point. And may Allah, the Exalted, bless and reward you handsomely for the great job, amen.

Abuzola:
Read this

'and he whom Allah guides, he is led aright, but he whom He sends astray, for such you will find no helper/protector besides Him and We shall gather them together on the Day of resurrection on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf, their abode will be hell, whenever it abates, We shall increase for them the fierceness of the fire' ' Quran 17:97

You have said it all.

Won't you ever quit making this noise, Nezan?

dexmond:
@ Mushin

First of all, my name is not Mushin as you've been writing, but Muhsin. Take note.

dexmond:
Now, if Muslims believe that Jesus was a great Prophet (which is true) and a highly respected one at that, why do they ignore his “Sunna” (The Gospels) as recorded by his own companions (Apostles), Just as the hadeeths are the records of the sayings and deeds of Muhammad.?

Hmm. I fathom what you are getting at, and thats simply that we Muslims should believe in Bible for its a record of Jesus(pbuh)'s deeds just like Hadeeth, which is a record of Muhammad (pbuh) deeds. Won't proceed here unless you answer this question to me: do you really believe Jesus (pbuh) as prophet/demigod/god?

dexmond:
What other message apart from the oneness of GOD did they preach? How many of such Israel's prophet do you know? Were there Arabian prophets among them?

Oneness of God is the most important of all these messages. I also want your sincere answer here: do you believe in oneness or triune of God?

Qur'an mentions names of 25 messengers and prophets. Nearly all of them were Israels. But did God ever make any promise that He would not send any other prophet apart from there? Where?

dexmond:
If you believe that they were sent by God, will you neglect any of their message which is complex to understand?

Muslims believe in all prophets sent by God; Christian don't believe in Muhammad (pbuh) and Jews reject Jesus and Muhammad (pbuthem).

dexmond:
I need your sincere answer.

I also need your sincere answer.

dexmond:
Thanks.

Thanks

Salam,

What a thread! I like it. I am too not gonna make much contributions in the discussion for one or two reason(s).

@Abulbanaat,

May Allah, the Exalted, increase your knowlegde and bless you.

May He also expose the fact and the fiction and the persons depending each, amen.

Hi all,

Sorry for my brief absence; that happened inevitably. But am back as kicking and lively as ever. . .thanks to Allah.

Reminder:

Well, to the thread: the OP was openned to discussed Honor Killing, either this practice is Islamic or not. The thread starter and other folks believe(d?) it was and started making noise in trying to attach it to Islam and Muslims. We Muslims aptly enough debunk and refute their earlier assertions. And am damned sure they as well as other non-participant bodies have come to that cocnlusion, i.e. Honor Killing is not Islamic. Isn't it what happened?

But the thread degenarates to something else. I'd like all these interested in other topics being discussed to start fresh thread (s) regarding these issues they wanna discuss and inshaAllah their question/criticism/challenge/etc will be addressed to ASAP.

Thanks

Glad you realize that too.

Alhamdulillah.

LOL I only saw this reply now, abdulbanaat.

Muna lafiya.

You now know.

I remain blase.

Assalamu alaikum,
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Narrated By Mu'adh bin Jabal:

The Prophet said, "O Mu'adh! Do you know what Allah's Right upon His slaves is?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best." The Prophet said, "To worship Him (Allah) Alone and to join none in worship with Him (Allah). Do you know what their right upon Him is?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." The Prophet said, "Not to punish them (if they do so)."

Bukhari - Volume 9 - Book 93 - Hadith 470[/center]

dexmond:
My brothers, you do not read your Quran  . Look your prophet was a sinner. It is recorded in the Quran. How can a sinner be a righteous man?

Quran 47:19
So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women. Allah knoweth (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest.

Can you ever read and understand? Where is it mentioned that Muhammad was a sinner in that verse?

dexmond:
My bible tells me that the wicked runneth when no man pursues him.

Ezekiel 18:4b
"The soul who sins shall die"

All souls MUST die. True or false?

dexmond:
You need mercy for your sins, and you can only get it when you accept jesus for who he truly is

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The prophet Muhammad, on whom be peace, said: "If a man believe in Jesus and then believe in me, he will get a double reward." (Bukhari)[/center]

Left to you. . .

Who Allah guides none can lead astray; and whom He leads astray none can lead aright.

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@fizzybaba,

LOL

@RichyBlack,

RichyBlacK:
I'm not interested in getting into religious arguments quoting verses from the Qu'ran or the Holy Bible. You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe. Period. Every individual should choose whatever they want to believe in. The problem with some Muslims is that they tend to really like the idea of killing someone who does not share in their belief. Is it by force?

Threefold case:

1- You should have interest in such a discussion, else quit coming boards like this very one. And it's good as per as I can think. Why? There is only one true religion; Islam, Judaism or Christianity.

2- Although that I perceive is your opinion, but think of the word PREACHING/EVANGILISATION/PROPAGATION of religion. All these words and more others are use to mean converting one faith from one religion to another.

3- These Muslim are not doing a terribly wrong thing, for there is no compulsion, coercion or the likes in Islam. Even the prophet Muhammad lived with non-Muslims.

1. Why would any Muslim want to kill any ex-Muslim who denounces Islam for a different religion?

Correction: not any Muslim. The rule is only aptly executed by the leader/government.
Beside, what is it contain in other Scriptures regarding an apostasy? Please help me out. . .you will certainly see the same thing. Religion is owned by one and only one God.

2. Why would a Muslim man feel it is "the islamic thing to do" to kill his daughters because they have boyfriends?

This is entirely nothing Islamic. And if you think it's I'll like you to show me any Qur'anic verse or prophetic tradition (hadeeth) that says this. Thanks

3. Why would a woman be stoned to death because of adultery, when the man is set free for "lack of evidence"?

So does the rule revealed by the God says. Why wouldn't we adhere to it? And note, its not just that lack of evidence. The matter is wider than that. If you are interested in that discussion, opening a fresh thread will help it out.

4. Why would a girl be murdered because she refused to marry a man chosen by her father?

Phenomenally nothing Islamic. Just heard it from you and for the first time in my life time. Expatiate, backing up your claim with any, I mean any Islamic saying on that.

These barbaric ways of life must not be tolerated!

No any sane human could or should support or tolerate barbarism.

Islam if far from barbarism. Some of its followers are shamelessly enough barbaric, but in that scenario no religion is excluded.

Any religion that advocates the murder of an individual, not because the individual was implicated in a homicide, but because the individual was deemed to have gone against the teachings or tenets of such religion, infringes on the fundamental human rights of that individual - the right to life, and hence must categorized as a barbaric religion. And members of such religion who believe they have some divine right to take the life of others must be stopped at all cost!

Only homicide? Are you being objective, Richy?

You need to really scrutinize things more and widen your understanding.

Killing is not Islamic; its only subjectively and fairly attributed to it.

Groups like the Taliban in Afghanistan, al-Shabab in Somalia, al-Qaeda worldwide, the Sudanese government-sponsored militia in Darfur, and the endless horde of marauding murderers in Northern Nigeria, who believe some god has given them the right over the life of others must be annihilated at any cost!

I kinda agree with you here. But you get to re-think on that too: haven't "some" of these groups any vindication for their actions and inactions?

As long as their retrogressive, foolish and arrogant stupidity disguised as a belief systems lurks within their cranium, and remains inside their cranium, their is no problem. The world must keep a watchful eye on bloodthirsty goons within the Muslim community who still hold on to stone-age belief systems and neutralize them whenever they allow the idiocy in their heads to harm any other individual who does not share such backward rubbish!

Thank God not all, but within. That tells not all birds are feathered in another words.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all to the right and straight path, ameen.

dexmond:
@ MushinMuhsin

Thank you for taking your time to explain to us the general views of Muslims regarding Jesus of Nazareth. However, you missed the purpose of the thread. The question is “where are the Sermons or call it the Gospel of Jesus in the Quran or the Hadiths”.

Your sincere effort will be appreciated

Hi,

Don't ever expect Jesus's sermon, call, etc in any Hadeeth for hadeeth does not contain such. Go and read the meaning of Hadeeth in my Hadeeth of the Day thread.

Similarly, Qur'an does comprise that but in what sense? Thats where the problem lies. For example, there in my second reply to this thread, a Qur'anic verse clearly says that the teaching of the prophets is the same--as also said Jesus that he did not come to destroy Moses (and other God's messengers) message. What is that message? Fundamentally those Messengers preached Oneness of God, claimed themselves as "mere" Messengers not God, etc, etc, etc. But you people abolish that.

The message of the prophets was ONE message:
Qur'an

"Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us, and that which was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the sons of Jacob, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered. And whosoever seeks other than Islam as [their] religion it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers. How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and (after) they bore witness that the messenger (Muhammad) is true and after clear proofs had come unto them. And Allah guides not wrongdoing folk." (3:84-86)

Bible:

"Do you think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the Teachings of the Prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make the teachings come true." (Mathew, 5:17)

Hence, I kinda feel I'll just waste my time going deep inside Qur'an for what you are looking for.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us to the right and straight path, amen,

Hilarious.

lol ;d

Got little time, in fact less than 10 minutes; but there seems a semantic problem, i.e. how you Christians think the word means and how we do. But it simply means one who will come back, e.g. Prophet Isa (pbuh).

Arkison:
what annoys me much about africans (nigerians and ghanians in particular) is they struggle to change their "tone" once their plane touch heathrow. I grew up in uk, but luckly did most of my secondary school in nigeria and some part of my university. I learnt my native language and I made sure I learnt it very well. After coming back to uk, i met nigerians that when they speak, it is like "yuk" what is this guy saying? other migrants, especially from estern europe, speak clear english, without any effort to change their tone and accent.

A friend of mine came for his MSc last year. When i met him 6 months. . . i struggle to understand what the guy was saying. . . very annoying. . .

That sounds funny.

However, as africans we are generally now not meant to communicate. Apart from African and some south americans countries, all other countries in the world use their native language as language of communication. Even the english colonies . . . most retain their local languages, but Africans, we discard everything. . . we worship the white men. . . we depend on them to tell us what to do. . . we depends on foreign aid. .

I agree with you.

That is exactly what I said on another thread is your problem when debating. You mix up things.

For instance, what brought segregating other people. . .? Say what you wanna say, for I kinda get tired with these snootish, offish and sanctimonious discussion.

Assalamu alaikum,
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Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) said, "Our Lord, the Blessed, the Superior, comes every night down on the nearest Heaven to us when the last third of the night remains, saying: "Is there anyone to invoke Me, so that I may respond to invocation? Is there anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him his request? Is there anyone seeking My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?"

Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 21 :: Hadith 246[/center]

Nezan:
I thought it was written by one aboki after mohammed died of a poisoned esienwu . . . . ?

Can anybody make any meaning out of this reply?

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=334509.msg4692104#msg4692104 date=1255008905]her ancestry is white, her husband's ancestry is white- that means they're both white.


white family in the White House.[/quote]LOL

kola oloye:
@mushin'
I hope you are doing fine. My question is very simple: 'who wrote Quran'

Yeah, I am doing good. Thanks.

Who wrote the Qur'an?

My answer is very simple as well: Qur'an is not merely that written by anybody but rather revealed by Allah, the Creator, to the prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention. It's the revelation to end revelations; containing guidance on the faith about God, i.e. Allah, to end gods.

P:S

You asked me to address your buried thread, I unhesitatingly did. And I in return ask you to do the same but you deceptively refuse to. Hmm *shook head*. I see no justification to continue debating with you.

Say whatever crap you get to; the fact remains.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us to the right path, amen.

sleek29:
Point of correction, i got to know about it in the hadith and also saw that the quran backed up his actions, how do you expect me to believe a man who preached death to apostates, ''By their fruits ye shall know them'', look around the world today and tell me the most unsafe place to live in the world, the place where there's is zero religious tolerance(how many churches are there in arabia), the place where young girls are made to live a life filled with regrets.

And there's nothing you'll say that'll make me accept mohammed's actions as being Godly cuz there aren't

It isn't righteous to have your adopted son's wife

It is evil to sleep with a 9 year old and even if she has reached puberty she still isn't matured enough to be a wife(she played with dolls), you make it sounds as though sex is the only reason you marry a wife.

As one popular wise saying goes: eyes see what they choose to see. So does mind believes what chooses to believe.

You are very opinionated, Sleek29. And I kinda feel I cannot "expunge" that out of you. Therefore hold on your "belief" and let me go on with mine.

Cheerio!