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Assalamu alaikum,

Can't watch either.

Assalamu alaikum,

I wish they could make meaning out of your words, Sir Olabowale.
May Allah, the Exalted, bless.

You sound grossly simpleton, Noetic.

Elohim is just another name for God in Hebrew, don't you know this? For I see you are wholly confuse about that. And the Allah is the Arabic word. I can remember I once educate your ally--davidylan, on that.

And what are the attribute of the God?

1-God is All Knowing. . . But Jesus was not.

When speaking on the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation of his knowledge when he said, "But of that day and hour knoweth nor man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark, 13:32 and Matthew 24:36)

2-God is All Powerful. . . But Jesus was not

While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do. . .(John 5:19)

3-God does not have a God. . . But Jesus did have a God

See John, 20:17; Mathew, 27:46; Luke, 11:2-4, etc.

4-God's will was distinct from his own

See John 14:28 & 8:42; Luke 22:42, etc

5-God is neither flesh nor blood while Jesus is

See Genesis 1:26, Isiah 40:18 & 25, etc

6-Among others.

Thanks

noetic2:
a. Jesus did not come to do away with the laws of the prophets. All His life He fulfilled the law that we might be exempt from the punishment of disobeying the law. . .that explains why we plead for forgiveness in the name of Jesus.

Can I know what are these laws?
As far as I know the laws say we should worship ONE and ONLY GOD.

noetic2:
b. The verse above does not in any way suggest that Jesus is a prophet or messenger. why not go study ur koran?

What about these verses:

"And this is life eternal, that they might know You the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent." John 17:3

"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."(Mathew, 15:24).

noetic2:
Jesus is God.

Has he ever preached that?

Who is the God of Moses, Noah, Jacob and other prophets?

Thanks

kola oloye:
He was praying for you and he also advised that you shouldn't do what Boko Haram did

Nagode, meaning thanks, for the translation.

GEW:
dont u love wicked mustafah and his unmerciful lot

You are an embarrassment to may Christians on this board.

alimat 2:
Since i was born and now that am old i have never seen the Lord change but now am confused

I too will certainly be if He's any other than the God (i.e. Allah), the Eternal, the Exalted, the Creator, the Nourisher, the All Wise, the All Knower.

Waiting for explanation, please. Thanks

Let's retake it, Noetic.

God exists in three person, as you say? OK?

1-Was Jesus a prophet or a god?

2-Jesus died. Yes. Did he die as a prophet or a god?

3-Did Jesus preach Trinity or not?

4-If God was actually a Trinity, why ALL other prophets before Jesus didn't preach it?

5-Why are there clear cut verses that say God is ONE and only ONE?

7-Some even say he's god's son. How?

8-etc

You see? There is an absolute confusion. I want you to think reflectively, Noetic, and answer me. Thanks

PurestBoy:
Back to sender, Unu ge ji ishi u nu buru nye unu ne me, in di onye iberibe

My words have no relation with you in whatsoever way.

Can anybody please translate these words to me? Thanks

Hello all,

Like the discussion.
And my compliment to Noetic. Had never seen the guy respond to questions like in this thread.

Lets continue. . .
I am wholly unclear with your statement that "7. He is NOT a prophet neither is He a messenger." If really he is neither of the two why did he in a myriad verses claim he's sent? For example in this one: "Do you think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the Teachings of the Prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make the teachings come true." (Mathew, 5:17)

Need an explanation before I continue. Thanks

sleek29:
Jesus asked for forgiveness for those who put him on the cross, the prophet asked for forgiveness 70times a day making him a sinner, what if they were wrongly accused and probably confessed to doing it under duress, perhaps they did it out of self defence, let he without sin cast the first stone , God is and will always be the only one without sin

What kind of barbaric killing is that, hot nails on their eyes, lethal injection is even more humane.

Who can help me explain what slee29 means by these words?

Abuzola:
@muhsin, i tend to disagree with the abrogation of the law of the apostate of killing them. Can you open a thread and post your facts/proof that the law killing of apostate is abrogated. I want to learn

Salamu alaikum,

I didn't say the law was abrogated. I rather mean to say the law has been in existence even before the coming of our beloved prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention. That makes it OLD. Clear?

Thanks for the question.

sleek29:
Narrated 'Amr bin Al-Harith:

The Prophet did not leave anything (after his death) except his arms, a white mule, and a (piece of) land(khaibar,jewish settlement he took after invading it) which he had given as Sadaqa

what a warrior!!!
bukhari 4:330

This is one of the many reason why we believe the prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, is a true messenger of God, the Creator. He did all he did for not worldly possession but just fulfillment of God's commandment. Alhamdulillah!

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us to the right path, amen.

noetic2:
2. why are u fond of always turning all debates into muslim versus christians? what has bible sword got to do with islamic killings?

That's what the OP is about. You, a Christian versus Olabowale, a Muslim. Right?

noetic2:
This is horrible.

Now I know why forgiveness is NEVER an option in islam
This is really sad.

Didn't you read hadeeth of today? Here it's:

Narrated By Abu Huraira:

A bedouin urinated in the mosque, and the people rushed to beat him. Allah's Apostle ordered them to leave him and pour a bucket or a tumbler (full) of water over the place where he has passed urine. The Prophet then said, " You have been sent to make things easy (for the people) and you have not been sent to make things difficult for them."

Bukhari - Volume 8 - Book 73 - Hadith 149


Can you objectively explain what his (the Prophet) action here means? Thanks

Abuzola:
Jesus is a murderer

Is that really you or someone circumvented your user-name, Abuzola?

sleek29:
bukhar Hadith 4:271
Narrated Jabir:

The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you)."

killing is islamic

Thats your major blunder. You just see hadeeth and give it meaning. Why do one have to go to school before he's said to be learned? Can't we just pick up a thing, read and claim you are educated? Mts.

What I mean here is: you don't know whatKa'b bin Ashraf did and called for the prophet's harsh response to him, but you just. . . Cut the crap!

sleek29:
Narrated Ikrima:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
super horrific

bukhari vol 4 no 260

Killing an apostate is an old law by the God. Although I can't just quote the verse but am sure that is contain even in the bible.

More over, this issue has had been fully discussed. Maybe its because you are a newbie thats why you don't know. Who knows? Search the archives, man.

sleek29:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Provide us with some milk." Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend that you should join the herd of camels." So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after whey were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died. (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, "They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land."

horrific!!!

bukhari vol 4 no 261

Pity.

Your case is simply twofold:

1-You either are so myopic and hence can't see the words in the bold portion. OR

2-You are so closed-minded and as a result can't make meaning out of these words.

If not I don't think there was/is any rule that will let go of these UNGRATEFUL schmucks. Their merciless and thankless action called and warranted for what was done to them. Think man!

noetic2:
u actually repeated ur words for a second time. I would prefer u ignore my posts. . . .As I cannot have u insult me at ur pleasure.
If my posts dont make sense to u. . .just ignore it.

We are not wholly good, nor are we wholly bad. Some of your posts make sense, while some don't.
I will, thus, attend to those that make sense and ignore the senseless, disposable ones.
Do I make myself clear?

BTW, where did I ever insult you? Can you or anybody show me where?
I only know where I reciprocated your insults. And that was then, and this is now.
I am only and only interested in a civil and matured follow of discussion--thats why am here.
Thanks.

What a woman?

I am with her, at least on Nigerian issue.

@ThiefOfHearts,

I wonder: can't you ever post without insult?
Pls get matured.

Assalamu alaikum,

Narrated By Abu Huraira:

A bedouin urinated in the mosque, and the people rushed to beat him. Allah's Apostle ordered them to leave him and pour a bucket or a tumbler (full) of water over the place where he has passed urine. The Prophet then said, " You have been sent to make things easy (for the people) and you have not been sent to make things difficult for them."

Bukhari - Volume 8 - Book 73 - Hadith 149

Hi all,

You guys lack the technique of sound argument. You better go and read more.

Any way, the prophet of Islam, Muhammad son of Abdallah, suffered all persecution, hunger, poverty and the likes in Mecca, his hometown. He was even forced to migrate to Medina. He didn't fight, did he?

Afterwards, while living in Medina, the kuffars of Mecca started confiscating his and his followers goods they marketed in Mecca and other Arabian lands. He was then ordered to fight back. Muslims were even "ill-prepared", with no mighty power of weapon, fighters, and so on. They barely did it and won at the end because Allah, the Exalted, was behind them.

Yet you can't see a concrete reason of this act? Myopics. You are really unfair.

@Olabowale,

May Allah, the Exalted, bless you.

Isn't that funny? LOL

Please forgive me, but I kinda feel gen2genuis is becoming the dumbest NL member of the year.
Any way, I'll like you to open a fresh thread and claim Allah is not ONE, we'll attend your claim there. But let this OP alone.

@Abuzola,

Well-composed thread. Like it.

noetic2:
can u please ignore my posts like u promised? is that a problem?

Can't you remember how it went after I did that promise? I simply rescind it. LOL

Am I causing you any trouble, man? Lets have a civil discussion. . .at least thats what we are here for, right?

Thanks for your understanding.

LOL Abuzola.

Bana amfani da lambar sai don text message. Shiyasa na baka ita openly.
Abunda nace zamuyi shi ne ka aiko min da taka lambar via that line. Ina amfani da MTN and Starcomms amma. Idan na saka layin sai in dau lambar, then sai muyi magana.
BTW, ai bani da aure. Nima daya nake tallin tal!

Oh my friend, Nezan. You come back. Welcome.

The statement by "I" that the Trinity issue is hush-hush had not even taken my interest yesterday. LOL @ that was what you started with. That typifies, glaringly, that he/she talks aright. Any way, lets reason it:

"Or have they (mankind) chosen gods from the earth who raise the dead If there were therein gods besides Allah then verily both (the heavens and the earth) would have gone to ruin. Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the throne from all they ascribe (unto Him)" (Qur'an 4:171)

Without repeating it, "I" has aptly quoted many verses in both Qur'an and the Bible where its explicitly stated that the Lord, our God, is but ONE. Let me ask you some question that will re-affirm these verses accuracy, credibility and credulity.

The Quesions:

1-Was Jesus a prophet or a god?

2-Jesus died. Yes. Did he die as a prophet or a god?

3-Did Jesus preach Trinity or not?

4-If God was actually a Trinity, why ALL other prophets before Jesus didn't preach it?

5-Why are there clear cut verses that say God is ONE and only ONE?

7-Some even say he's god's son. How?

8-etc

You see? There is an absolute confusion. I want you to think reflectively, Nezan, and answer me. Thanks

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all, amen.

I kinda feel, kola oloye's case is simple. He seems to hold an implicit opinion regarding Jesus's blah blah blah.

I pray may Allah, the Exalted, guide you to the right path, amen.