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Romance › Re: Can A Christian Married Couple Engage In Oral And Anal Sex? by MuttleyLaff: 9:37pm On Mar 04, 2020

Michellekabod2:
muttleylaff your attention is needed here

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Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 9:18pm On Mar 04, 2020

TATIME:
I have decided to ignore you completely but this called my attention!

Truth is like the sun. You can ignore it and/or hide from it, for as long as you want, but it doesnt mean its going away, lol.

TATIME:
Point of correction, i'm NOT your brother in anyway, i'm just your neighbor!
Farewell!

I am not the enemy, lol or a bogeyman, but OK still and thank you, neighbour. I appreciate.

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 5:19pm On Mar 04, 2020*

MrLankeeee:
You primary think Adam and Eve were the only people on Earth. Who did Cain marry?

A&E, where the only two people, to start with, on Earth.

As for Cain, We'll, he married his parent's daughter/granddaughter or his niece.

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 5:17pm On Mar 04, 2020*

Empiree:
oh oh you want to keep dragging it?. Yes, I can drag it further for as long as I want it and still prove to you that Yoruba and English meanings are different.

[img]https://s0/images/MuttleyLaffsipsTea.gif[/img]
Of course, you can continue arguing blindly as long as you want and/or have your fill, lol.

Empiree:
Lobatan

That means there is nothing in "Jesus" name. Why don't Christians call him Yahshua if Yahshua was his real name?. It means there is nothing like 'in Jesus name'. It is fake name given by White people. Therefore your Bible confirmed that in Jesus name disbelievers hope.

Besides you didn't humble enough earlier when I told you there was no letter J until 600 years later. Now you confessed with your own mouth. So anytime your pastor chant "in Jesus name" you should know that he's a disbeliever.

Look at my dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, living in a glass house but throwing stone, lol. Why dont you tell, why saying Koran, Qur'an or Quran, Moslem or Muslim and Muhammad or Mohammed hmm?

Empiree:
And where did you get "Jesus is your Lord and Savior in your Bible?. Did he authorize you to say that?

"She will give birth to a son, and you will name Him Jesus [He Saves], because He will save His people from their sins.
(i.e. “And she shall bring forth a Son, and she shall call His name Yeshua, for He shall save His people from their sins. )"
- Matthew 1:21

"The Savior—yes, the Messiah, the Lord—has been born today in Bethlehem, the city of David!"
- Luke 2:11

"John saw Jesus coming toward him the next day and said,
"Look! This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."
- John 1:29

Christianity Etc › Re: “you Are Irresponsible If You Are Not Married At 35” — G.O by MuttleyLaff: 11:07am On Mar 04, 2020

paxonel:
ok,
I wanted to say Paul, not Peter.

Everyone knows that Peter was married

Don't mind that chap from the pulpit talking a right load of old codswallop

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 9:02am On Mar 04, 2020*

TATIME:
Well it may not sound well enough to you because it's NOT the wisdom from man, it's the wisdom of God.

It is really not a matter of not sounding well enough my dear brother in the faith, but more of that the "Jesus chose no female Apostle because God don't reckon with females as the prime specie he created in his likeness the way he views males." sic, comment that God doesnt reckon with females, just sticks out like a swollen red throbbing sore thumb.

Are you aware of what "... don't reckon with ..." when used in relation to females means, hmm? Dont worry to answer because I spell it out for you. "... don't reckon with ..." when used in relation to females means, to think of females as being nothing important to be considered with. You comment, means females are discounted by God, that they are beings not worthy of God's consideration.

A&E are prime specie, not just Adam only or Adam alone, lol. Pray over this and give it a good thought, you might see light enough to make you retract your comment or improve on it

TATIME:
Apostle Paul said it will always sound foolish to unbelievers [1 Corinthians 2:24] yet it will yield positive results in the midst of true believers. Galatians 5:22-23
That's what has been uniting Jehovah's Witnesses globally in Love, Joy and Peace, whereas all others finds it so difficult to speak with one voice! The problem humanity has been experiencing from the beginning till now came in when the first female took the lead in what is spiritual, so if God and his son chose not to appoint a female as one of the Apostles, i think there must be a sound reason for that and i've seen more than enough amongst JWs!
Maximus69 has also become one of the 8.6 million foolish believers globally who have turned to slowpokes for this reason in Love, Joy, Peace and the rest of the qualities mentioned in Connection with God's holy Spirit!

Here we go again, you've gone off, not just only robotically reading from a script but also doing a proof-texting with 1 Corinthians 2:24 and Galatians 5:22-23 as well, lol. Smh.

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On Mar 04, 2020

Empiree:
Told you already this should slide. It is your Bible language barrier and I have already translated "knew his wife" to Yoruba.

"¹⁶ Kaini sì kúrò níwájú Ọlọ́run, ó sì ń gbé ilẹ̀ Nodi ní ìhà ìlà-oòrùn Edeni.
¹⁷Kaini sì bá aya rẹ̀, lòpọ̀, ó sì lóyún, ó sì bí Enoku.
Kaini sì tẹ ìlú kan dó, ó sì fi orúkọ ọmọ rẹ̀ ọkùnrin Enoku sọ ìlú náà"
- Gẹnẹsisi 4:16-17 Bíbélì Mímọ́ Yorùbá

My dear Muslim brother friend Empiree now that you've been caught with your pants down and your yansh is exposed, you want to stop making fetch happen and here now waving a white flag and extending an olive branch, lol.

Answering those three questions makes you feel uneasy because you do know, as can be seen in the Gẹnẹsisi 4:16-17 Yoruba Bible above, what "sì bá aya rẹ̀, lòpọ̀" means. Yes, "knew his wife" when translated to Yoruba is "sì bá aya rẹ̀, lòpọ̀" and it, just like I've already numerous times advanced to you, means, making love with his wife or having loving sexual encounter with his missus

Empiree:
Anyways, sink this in

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You've had enough of blindly arguing about Cain not making love with his missus in Genesis 4:17, now you want a different dose of education with this cheap shot you're playing at, hmm, lol?

Fyi, its is for inexperienced lay person, man on the street Muslim brother friend like you that we play along that our Lord and Saviour of the world name is Jesus. Each believer that knows his/her onions, will, if you ask nicely, tell you that Jesus' name really isnt Jesus but it is Yahshua. Let it sink with you that, Jesus, is His name in Greek, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: “you Are Irresponsible If You Are Not Married At 35” — G.O by MuttleyLaff: 2:01am On Mar 04, 2020

paxonel:
OK,
Peter in the bible who never got married at 35 is very irresponsible

"¹⁴When Jesus arrived at Peter’s house, Peter’s mother-in-law was sick in bed with a high fever.
¹⁵But when Jesus touched her hand, the fever left her. Then she got up and prepared a meal for him."
- Matthew 8:14-15

"³⁸Jesus left the synagogue and went to the home of Simon, whose mother-in-law was suffering from a high fever. They appealed to Jesus on her behalf,
³⁹and He stood over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. And she got up at once and began to serve them."
- Luke 4:38-39

"³⁰Simon’s mother-in-law was sick in bed with a fever, and they promptly told Jesus about her.
³¹So He went to her, took her by the hand, and helped her up. The fever left her, and she began to serve them."
- Mark 1:30-31

Peter was happily married before age 35. John the Baptist and others with Jesus never at all married though

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 1:40am On Mar 04, 2020

Professorcplus:
Does that mean that God support incent

Of course, to start with, God had no problem with incest

Professorcplus:
You guys are just trying to cover gaps in the bible. Adam and Eve story is flawed and nothing more than fairly tales that shouldn't be debated.

"It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out.
(i.e. It is the glory of God to hide things but the glory of kings to investigate them.)"
- Proverbs 25:2

Professorcplus:
For the sake of discussion, there's no way you will answer the question without assumption. Beside your assumptions were wrong because in the bible Cain already god married before Adam and Eve born daughters

Out of interest, please show when and where in the bible was Cain already married before Adam and Eve born daughters?

Professorcplus:
And why must you made assumption in God's word seek of Holy Spirit revelation.

"But the Holy Spirit will come and help you, because the Father will send the Spirit to take my place. The Spirit will teach you everything and will remind you of what I said while I was with you."
- John 14:26

"The Spirit shows what is true and will come and guide you into the full truth. The Spirit doesn't speak on his own. He will tell you only what He has heard from Me, and He will let you know what is going to happen."
- John 16:13

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 1:39am On Mar 04, 2020

Empiree:
See this, it is a twist and you will continue to twist until you give it another meaning entirely if i choose to keep digging. It is plain english my brother "he knew his wife there". But you tried to interpret the phrase to mean copulation or what yoruba called "o ti mo obirin", abi?. You are trying to commit theological fraud here LOL.

Your Bible says:
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation.

"Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain,
and said, “I have acquired a man from the LORD.”"
- Genesis 4:1

"And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bore Enoch:
and he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch"
- Genesis 4:17

"And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth,
“For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed.”"
- Genesis 4:25

Mister bible scholar esteemed scripture interpreter Muslim brother friend Empiree, please answer these following easy, direct, simple and straightforward questions now, lol:
1/ What is the difference in Genesis 4:1, similar in Genesis 4:25 and Genesis 4:17 and where Adam knew Eve his wife and Cain knew his wife?
2/ Does "... knew his wife" in Genesis 4:1, similar in Genesis 4:25 and Genesis 4:17 not mean copulation or "ka mọ obirin" to you at all ni?
3/ Are you still insisting that Adam at Genesis 4:25 for instance, hasnt met Eve before ni, and so the phrase "... knew his wife" doesnt mean making love to his missus, ni? Smh.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by MuttleyLaff: 10:13pm On Mar 03, 2020*

ibinaboonline:
At the end of the day, you don't have to cover up for God and He's not asking you to.

What is there to cover, hmm ibinaboonline? It seems you have major problems with seeing others say things as it is and say it without mincing words. Why would I be covering up for Abba, my heavenly Father, hmm. Why would I even think of anythng like that, when its not an Adam and Eve, back in Eden thing going on, lol. Besides, I'll rather than cover up, prefer to be placed in the cleft of rock, and watch God replays back to back, lol.

ibinaboonline:
Go back and read the story, it is very precise, God Himself said He will harden Pharaoh's heart and He did.

Yes God will harden Pharaoh's heart, because Pharaoh was a willing and raring to go candidate in the heart hardening department. Pharaoh is like that one thing about to be barbecued that by itself with own hand picked up a keg of petrol and poured all its body.

ibinaboonline:
Think about the implication of what you're saying about David. He wanted to count and God just 'allowed' him to? A man wanted to make a mistake and God just'encourages' him? Really?

"⁶One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satana also came with them.
⁷the Lord asked, “Satan, where have you been?”
Satan replied, “I have been going all over the earth.”
⁸Then the Lord asked, “What do you think of my servant Job? No one on earth is like him—he is a truly good person, who respects me and refuses to do evil.”
⁹ “Why shouldn't he respect you?” Satan remarked.
¹⁰“You are like a wall protecting not only him, but his entire family and all his property. You make him successful in whatever he does, and his flocks and herds are everywhere.
¹¹Try taking away everything he owns, and he will curse you to your face.”
¹²The Lord replied, “All right, Satan, do what you want with anything that belongs to him, but don't harm Job.” Then Satan left."
-Job 1:6-12

"¹On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
²and the Lord asked, “Satan, where have you been?”
Satan replied, “I have been going all over the earth.”
³Then the Lord asked, “What do you think of my servant Job? No one on earth is like him—he is a truly good person, who respects me and refuses to do evil. And he hasn't changed, even though you persuaded me to destroy him for no reason.”
⁴Satan answered, “There's no pain like your own. People will do anything to stay alive.
⁵Try striking Job's own body with pain, and he will curse you to your face.”
⁶“All right!” the Lord replied. “Make Job suffer as much as you want, but just don't kill him.”
⁷Satan left and caused painful sores to break out all over Job's body—from head to toe"
Job 2:1-7

Hmm, so you want to add "allow" to your already 99-plus problems you have a problem with, huh?

Do you know how birds beautifully fly or how fishes elegantly swim erhn? It is a rhetorical question, I wasnt expecting a response from you because I will tell you how birds beautifully fly or how fishes elegantly swim, lol. ibinaboonline it is by grace, it is because of grace that birds are able to beautifully fly or how fish are able to elegantly swim. It is by God's grace that birds are able to effortlessly fly and why fish are able to swim easily and well. Now watch this ibinaboonline, remove this grace, lol, and let's watch, wait and see whats to become of the se flying birds and swimming fishes, lol.

Of course, you can deny not feasting your eyes on Job 1:6-12 and Job 2:1-7 above, lol, so now please tell ibinaboonline, when God withdrew and stepped as a protective hedge to Job, what opportunity did this action let Satan do?

"²⁰Then a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will entice him.’ ‘By what means?’ asked the LORD.
²¹And he replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ ‘You will surely entice him and prevail,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’ "
- 2 Chronicles 18:20-21

ibinaboonline, in 2 Chronicles 18:21 above, did God allow or not allow the spirit to carry out the deception, hmm?

ibinaboonline:
I feel your feeling of danger o. But it is rather clear to me. God is rich in mercy but that mercy won't be available forever. That's biblical reality that I'm not making up. People will go to hell and that won't change the fact that God is merciful. God is not all mushy, He is fearful too. The journey to eternity begins from here.

"Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, He abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done."
- Romans 1:28

Romans 1:28 above, captures precisely Pharaoh's dramatic reversal of fortune.

ibinaboonline:
He said, 'I will harden his heart' but we try to explain it away because it scares us. This merciful God will say to people' away from me' and they will perish in hell because their time is up. That's what I'm trying to explain with this post: the time can be up even here on earth and the door will be shut.

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind."
- 2 Timothy 1:7

Speak for youself, if anything scares you, dont rope others in with you just like that

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Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 6:09pm On Mar 03, 2020

TATIME:
Maximus69 is just 9 months old in the organization, and he's fast grabbing every facts as quick as possible.

Do you know it was you that first came into my thought after reading that Maximus69 comment. I actually did start a post with "TATIME, come and rein in your brother ooo" because I knew he is young in the faith, which is why he's gung ho and often shoots from the hip, but I just aborted the idea and so scratched it off

TATIME:
What he is saying is that Jesus chose no female Apostle because God don't reckon with females as the prime specie he created in his likeness the way he views males.

Note the similarity between what happened to Adam and Job, Satan was behind both scene and his main target is the male "Adam/Job" NOT the females!

While Adam fell for the bait, Job stood firm and after the whole event have been unraveled, God never asked Job to marry another woman it's the same woman that born another set of ten children for Job!

Whereas Adam and Eve were cursed, definitely if Adam had stood firm to resist the temptation God would just ask him to take Eve straight to the tree of life and feed her, then Satan would have been destroyed immediately, because the prime target wasn't Eve but Adam! 1 Timothy 2:14
So it's evident that God doesn't reckon with females as he often does with males!

Ouch, that was a below the belt and hurts. C'mon TATIME, wake up, wake up and smell the coffee. Smh.

God not selecting/appointing women as Apostles, has nothing to do with God doesnt reckon with women. Haba, you as a ministerial servant can and/or should do better than this now

Maximus69:
Abeg brother i have ignored that one for long.
Later he will say i'm his brother in faith.
When our line of thought is in total contrast.

You still are using that old tired line "... i have ignored that one ..."
Keep on being "be under _ _ _ _ _ _ yolk", OK, lol?

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 6:09pm On Mar 03, 2020*

Empiree:
what you have successfully done was that you further proved to me The Bible is history book not essentially Divine.

Empiree, my dear Muslim brother friend, what I've all along being advancing to you is that the Bible isnt necessarily a history book, but rather it is a theological book and at the same time is divine. Just as an artist is inspired to create art and/or paint a masterpiece, so the Pentateuch mostly written down by Moses and other books by the prophets, Apostles, ghostwriters like Joshua etcetera are each and all together inspired by God that altogether form what we have thats called the Bible. When an artist paints from inspiration, who physically does the painting? Is it the artist that directly paints or it is the what/who is inspiring that directly paints, hmm Empiree?

Empiree:
I can understand why historians would claim his wife acomplained him to Nod. I know I have frustrated you enough. Nice try from wherever website you got that from.

https://www.firstorlando.com/wp-content/uploads/greek1-768x768.jpg
You're pretending you understand how Cain's wife accompanied Cain into the land of Nod exile, lol. I suffer brothers, in so much dire need of proper and correct bible education, just like you, gladly.

The name of the website, if you're too shy to ask, is "biblehub" It is a good one stop resource tool, if you need to look inside the bonnet and find out or see whats under the bonnet, lol. I have pasted up above, a screenshot of the "biblehub" portal

Empiree:
They realized the only option left was to claim his wife followed him while at the same time the same image you posted says "he knew his wife there". Then later said his wife must have went there with him but there is no biblical text to prove that and you do not have unique external source to back it up.

His wife went with Cain to the land of Nod, then "he knew his wife there", meaning there at the land of Nod, Cain made love to his missus. Whats so hard for you to wrap your head round in that, mister man dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, hmm?

Empiree:
Anyways, that's gone but you proved to us that Bible remains a book written by different historians contrary to popular saying that Moses write old testament.

Look at my quote below, where I typed the Pentateuch was mostly written down by Moses and other books by the prophets, Apostles, ghostwriters like Joshua etcetera

Moses wrote 99.9% of the Pentateuch. Moses wrote part of the books in the Old Testament, and not all the books in the Old Testament Empiree, lol. C'mon, please, for a change, get your facts right now.

Empiree:
Again, a priest confirmed the book of Genesis was written by different writers.

At the rate you're going Empiree, my dear Muslim brother friend, your nose soon is going to be longer than Pinocchio's You obviously dont know the meaning of redactors, that it why you misintepreted the priest's writers to mean the original writer(s) of Genesis Fyi, Moses is the original writer of Genesis, thats part of the other 5 books he wrote that made up the Pentateuch, which is part of the 66 books in the bible or even sef 73 books, depending on which side of the fence you stand, lol

Empiree:
Even if these writers were righteous people, they are not hujjah (evidence) for Bible credentials.

You have 99 problems, and one main problem you have is that you just keep on ignoring the fact that the Quran piggybacks on the Bible sha, hmm, lol

Empiree:
It is like Muslim hadith. Hadith is not entirely Divine because there are different narrators of Hadith and they are not 100 evidence except what is in harmony with Qur'an. Qur'an is the only source of Divine guidance that is guaranteed.

The Muslim Hadith is like the Talmud. The Talmud is not in harmony with the Bible, the same way your Hadith isnt in harmony with the Quran. You kid yourself thinking the Qur'an is a credible source of Divine guidance that is guaranteed

MuttleyLaff:
Are you kidding me with this?!.
In past submissions, I have posted about translators, the politics, their ulterior motives and hidden agenda behind individual bible translations

You just keep on ignoring the fact that the Quran piggybacks on the Bible sha, hmm, lol

Empiree:
So you will not find different writers of Quran, never!!!!!!! Because it can not be authored by anyone other than Allah. On the contrary is the reason why you have ghostwriters and ghost authors of the Bible.

Are you done clowning, hmm?

Empiree:
as I said before you just implicated yourself more bcuz Joshua was not a Divine. Nor did he have Divine authority over what is right or wrong. For fact that he credited his work to Moses proved hanky-panky

Are you saying you expected Moses, from the great beyond write his obituary and/or eulogy himself, hmm?

Empiree:
Historians will always be historians. Whether they wrote accurately or not their accomplishment could not be Divine because when it comes to story book or history book there is always minus and plus (distortions)

Empiree:
So Bible is in the same status of Hadith even Hadith has more intergrity because we have hadith classifications and chains of narrators.

The Bible is unequalled and is in a class of its own. The Talmud and Hadiths are mates, nobody takes them serious, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right"
- 2 Timothy 3:16

You've just with this comment proven you are not only a kofam and bonafide JJC but you're also inexperienced and a bible illiterate. It is an inexperienced and a bible illiterate person who believes and will embarrassingly type that Bible was written by Moses and that the Bible isnt God's word.

I am fully aware I have wasted Exodus 33:12-23 on you. What do you think Moses was doing for 40 days and night at Mount Horeb, hmm? Painting his toes nails erhn, lol?

Fyi, I deliberately pasted Exodus 17:14 up there with "recite" emboldened and underlined for you, so you perhaps, might have an epiphany from the word when you think of the meaning of the word Quran, lol.

2 Timothy 3:16 above, informs you that the Pentateuch mostly written down by Moses and other books by the prophets, Apostles, ghostwriters like Joshua etcetera are each and all together inspired by God.

Which of the two came first Empiree, hmm? If you say the Bible is not God's word, it means, by proxy then, the Quran too could not be God's word, this not only because the Bible was the first on the block before the Quran and even written first, but that the Quran has narratives similar and stories identical to what's in the Bible.

The Quran, even mentions Zabur, as in meaning, king David's Psalms of the Old Testament. Are the Psalms too not God inspired then, Empiree my dear Muslim brother friend, hmm, lol?

How long did it take Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to complete reciting the lines archangel Gabriel ordered him to, lol? 40 days and 40 nights, hmm, lol?

Empiree:
is there any problems, sin or crimes in having virgin in paradise?. You think it is like boring CHRISTIAN Paradise?. Yes, Christian paradise is boring.

"But as Scripture says: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him.""
- 1 Corinthians 2:9

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 12:56am On Mar 03, 2020*

TATIME:
This is true!

Jesus' foster father (Joseph) and his biological mother (Mary) had sons and daughters, the Bible only made mention of the Jesus' brothers (males) by name but the numbers of the females was excluded talkless their names! Matthew 13:55-57

Maximus69:
This is the more reason to understand why Jesus never appointed any female as an Apostle!

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1/ What has "the more reason to understand why Jesus never appointed any female as an Apostle" have to do with the good observational points agwom (i.e. OP) and TATIME made, huh?
2/ OK, now that you've brought this up, what then is the "more reason" to understand why Jesus never appointed any female as an Apostle, huh?

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 12:33am On Mar 03, 2020

Empiree:
I have no problem with this. How does this correlate with Cain in Nod

[img]https://s5/images/NodCropped.jpg[/img]
You see, my dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, you have this problem of not able to get your head round how and where Cain got his missus from. You like historians abi? Do you then see in the above screens grab's blown up circle, where in that "Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament" write-up, it is advanced that Cain's wife went into exile with Cain, to the land of Nod (i.e. the land of wandering)

Empiree:
So you acknowledged ghostwriter in the Bible and it is still "inspired word of God", right?.

https://www.pigazette.com/VirginsIsis.jpg

My dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, that Deuteronomy 34:1-8 that you gleefully quoted but that you attributed the authorship of, to be that historian(s), did you not know that it was Joshua, lol, an accomplished author in his own right, who is the ghostwriter that wrote that Deuteronomy 34:1-8 obituary/eulogy etcetera literary or journalistic piece and/or other texts that are officially credited to Moses, pbuh, as the author ni, hmm, lol?

Listen, dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, and let me break it all down for you. If you think that the Bible is not the "inspired word of God", then the Quran too is complicit, it too cant be seen to be the "inspired word of God". The Quran wouldnt be "inspired word of God" because of it being guilty by association with the Bible. C'mon now, it's common knowledge that the Quran, as a matter of fact, is piggybacked by the Bible, lol, so if in your eye, there's anything wrong with the Bible, then then there'll be loads worse with your "Holy Book" lol, bwahahaha ha and that is true. Take for example, the above pasted picture, lol. I know, I know that the Quran doesnt itself talk about 72 virgins, thats only the Hadiths, but even though the Quran might not have specified 72 number of virgins, it does promise Muslim men with virgins in Islamic heaven. If only the men did read the fine print, lol. I am not going to quote the Hadith here nor mention the several descriptions related to houri(s)/virgins because they are either gross, ludicrous and/or too graphic

Empiree:
Yeyeman

You're a first grade yeyeman plus plus with that your funny white burka wearing ghostwriter with shadeshade glasses put on inside the house. Who does that? For wearing a burka, must have even thought itself to be a woman, lol

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 12:57pm On Mar 02, 2020

Empiree:
this is your idea not biblical record. You assumed by virtue of your common sense that his wife must have followed him to the land of Nod. Was the land of Nod vacant or occupied before they (Cain and wife) went there if I am to agree that he went there with his wife?.

Did you think them gray matter in the head are just decorations and not to be used ni, hmm?

The land could have been vacated or not vacant, but bear in mind that the word "Nod" in Hebrew, means wander or wandering.

Empiree:
Your cooked up idea that because Adam lived for long his children must have spread out and lived in different cities including Nod. Problem with this is that you forgot that Cain was the first set of twins and his ordeal took place quite early before Adam had other children.

Your problem is you can't seem to accept that Adam and Eve had many sons, daughters, grandchildren and great grandchildren other than the three boys/men, Cain, Abel and Seth

Empiree:
For fact that Bible scholars presented different theory hinted they aren't sure. You could confirm that from my previous post on the priest.

To you, those Bible scholars are two-headed exceptionally knowledgeable super human beings with exclusive insights isn't It, lol?

Empiree:
So you didn't get to think "the Lord said" 2nd speaker or 3rd speaker?. It means there are historians narrating stories. If you believe the Lord said means the Lord commanded Moses, did the Lord also command him to write his (Moses) in death?. When your grandfather died did he write his own obituary?.
Here Moses (according to you) wrote his own death and burial.
Deuteronomy 34

The Death of Moses
34 Then Moses climbed Mount Nebo from the plains of Moab to the top of Pisgah, across from Jericho. There the Lord showed him the whole land—from Gilead to Dan, 2 all of Naphtali, the territory of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the Mediterranean Sea, 3 the Negev and the whole region from the Valley of Jericho, the City of Palms, as far as Zoar. 4 Then the Lord said to him, “This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it.”

5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. 6 He buried him[a] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. 8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.

MuttleyLaff:
"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right"
- 2 Timothy 3:16

You've just with this comment proven you are not only a kofam and bonafide JJC but you're also inexperienced and a bible illiterate. It is an inexperienced and a bible illiterate person who believes and will embarrassingly type that Bible was written by Moses and that the Bible isnt God's word.

I am fully aware I have wasted Exodus 33:12-23 on you. What do you think Moses was doing for 40 days and night at Mount Horeb, hmm? Painting his toes nails erhn, lol?

Fyi, I deliberately pasted Exodus 17:14 up there with "recite" emboldened and underlined for you, so you perhaps, might have an epiphany from the word when you think of the meaning of the word Quran, lol.

2 Timothy 3:16 above, informs you that the Pentateuch mostly written down by Moses and other books by the prophets, Apostles, ghostwriters like Joshua etcetera are each and all together inspired by God.

Which of the two came first Empiree, hmm? If you say the Bible is not God's word, it means, by proxy then, the Quran too could not be God's word, this not only because the Bible was the first on the block before the Quran and even written first, but that the Quran has narratives similar and stories identical to what's in the Bible.

The Quran, even mentions Zabur, as in meaning, king David's Psalms of the Old Testament. Are the Psalms too not God inspired then, Empiree my dear Muslim brother friend, hmm, lol?

How long did it take Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to complete reciting the lines archangel Gabriel ordered him to, lol? 40 days and 40 nights, hmm, lol?

My dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, you probably thought that emboldened underline above was a decoration, lol. I knew you wouldn't be thinking right, so pre-emptively type in that info there. Obviously, if you know, you know, but someone like you, who doesn't know, wouldn't know, so you're forgiven for your ignorance.

Empiree:
Can you think?. It is so clear that historians are the speakers not Moses and definitely not God. This is why in my previous post the priest said there are different writers in Deuteronomy. Why did you choose to argue otherwise?

Please stop continually publicly embarrassing yourself. Go research or look up what ghostwriter means, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Allow Suffering? by MuttleyLaff: 7:03am On Mar 02, 2020

sonmvayina:
God is not a man or human being.. So God does not know what suffering is...
You are just projecting your human emotion or experience as God's...
You are experiencing suffering because you are a man, with blood running through your veins..
But God is not a man... God is existence itself... The divine consciousness that everything emanated from...

"And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of Us, knowing good and evil.
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.""
- Genesis 3:22

1/ Do you, at all know what the phrase "good and evil" in the above Genesis 3:22 bible verse, in the original text indicates and/or represents, hmm?
2/ Do you know what is the implication of know good and evil?
3/ Are you familiar with remarks about God's longsuffering in silence, hmm?

sonmvayina:
What is suffering?

Suffering is the opposite of pleasure, blissfulness and/or happiness

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 6:53am On Mar 02, 2020*

Empiree:
Isn't the bible verse clear enough, that Cain was the focus in the verses of Genesis?.

If you realise that Cain is the focus in the verses of Genesis. If you admit that the bible verse(s) clear enough has Cain as the focus in the verses of Genesis, then why and/or what's the fuss over someone else, like Cain's wife, who isnt the focus?

My dear Muslim brother friend, to let you know Cain's wife, isnt part of the focus at all, is the fact that Cain's wife doesnt have a name mention to reveal her identity, lol.

Empiree:
Why the twist now?. In your subsequent comment you admitted to the possibility human presence in the land of Nod.

Do you know how old Adam lived before he died, hmm? Yep 930 years old Adam was at the time of his last breath and/or death. That is a very good 930 years, long enough time to father sons and daughters, lol, aside the three boys, Cain, Abel and Seth, dont you think my dear doubtful Muslim brother friend, lol, hmm?

I am waiting for you round the corner, to ask me for biblical evidence(s) of A&E's sons and daughters other than their three boys, Cain, Abel and Seth, lol.

Empiree:
It is very important bcus the question is still being asked today. It is a major historical defect of Bible account.

Empiree, A&E had sons and daughters other than their three boys, Cain, Abel and Seth, lol. It is not rocket science that these sons and daughters of A&E and the grandchildren and great granchildren left their parents' home to set up home elsewhere, like in places like the land of Nod for example.

Now, when I first hinted it to you, it flew right over your head, as if like a Naija Airforce fighter jet, so I'll repeat it here again so it sink in. If you keep bleating that "... a major historical defect of Bible account" then take it on the chin that the Quran, that came later after the older Bible book, is then guilty by association with the Bible, of this your "... a major historical defect of Bible account"

Empiree:
Here we go. It is not a crime. That's not the problem. Problem is, since Adam was the first creation, who were the people in Nod before Cain went there and where did they come from?. This is major biblical flaw.

The people were the sons and daughters of A&E and the grandchildren and great granchildren who left their parents' home to set up home elsewhere, in places like the land of Nod in question, for example, lol.

The supposedly major biblical flaw, exists only in your imagination brother, lol. Please stop it already, this your deliberate and attempted misrepresentation of facts.

Empiree:
Am not JJC. It simply proves that Bible could not have been written by Moses nor God's word. It means historians collected pieces of information and called it "Holy Bible". This is what muslims have emphasized for far too long telling you guys that Bible is not inspired by God.

"Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write this as a memorial in a book and recite it in the ears of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.”"
- Exodus 17:14

"And Moses wrote down all the words of the LORD. Early the next morning he got up and built an altar at the base of the mountain, along with twelve pillars for the twelve tribes of Israel."
- Exodus 24:4

"¹²One day Moses said to the LORD, “You have been telling me, ‘Take these people up to the Promised Land.’ But you haven’t told me whom you will send with me. You have told me, ‘I know you by name, and I look favorably on you.’
¹³If it is true that you look favorably on me, let me know your ways so I may understand you more fully and continue to enjoy your favor. And remember that this nation is your very own people.”
¹⁴The LORD replied, “I will personally go with you, Moses, and I will give you rest—everything will be fine for you.”
¹⁵Then Moses said, “If you don’t personally go with us, don’t make us leave this place.
¹⁶How will anyone know that you look favorably on me—on me and on your people—if you don’t go with us? For your presence among us sets your people and me apart from all other people on the earth.”
¹⁷The LORD replied to Moses, “I will indeed do what you have asked, for I look favorably on you, and I know you by name.”
¹⁸Moses responded, “Then show me your glorious presence.”
¹⁹The LORD replied, “I will make all my goodness pass before you, and I will call out my name, Yahweh, before you. For I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.
²⁰But you may not look directly at my face, for no one may see me and live.”
²¹The LORD continued, “Look, stand near me on this rock.
²²As my glorious presence passes by, I will hide you in the crevice of the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.
²³Then I will remove my hand and let you see me from behind. But my face will not be seen.”"
- Exodus 33:12-23

"²⁷Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down all these instructions, for they represent the terms of the covenant I am making with you and with Israel.”
²⁸Moses remained there on the mountain with the LORD forty days and forty nights. In all that time he ate no bread and drank no water. And the LORD wrote the terms of the covenant—the Ten Commandments—on the stone tablets"
- Exodus 34:27-28

"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right"
- 2 Timothy 3:16

You've just with this comment proven you are not only a kofam and bonafide JJC but you're also inexperienced and a bible illiterate. It is an inexperienced and a bible illiterate person who believes and will embarrassingly type that Bible was written by Moses and that the Bible isnt God's word.

I am fully aware I have wasted Exodus 33:12-23 on you. What do you think Moses was doing for 40 days and night at Mount Horeb, hmm? Painting his toes nails erhn, lol?

Fyi, I deliberately pasted Exodus 17:14 up there with "recite" emboldened and underlined for you, so you perhaps, might have an epiphany from the word when you think of the meaning of the word Quran, lol.

2 Timothy 3:16 above, informs you that the Pentateuch mostly written down by Moses and other books by the prophets, Apostles, ghostwriters like Joshua etcetera are each and all together inspired by God.

Empiree:
This is empty comment without proof. Quran compared to Bible?.

Which of the two came first Empiree, hmm? If you say the Bible is not God's word, it means, by proxy then, the Quran too could not be God's word, this not only because the Bible was the first on the block before the Quran and even written first, but that the Quran has narratives similar and stories identical to what's in the Bible.

The Quran, even mentions Zabur, as in meaning, king David's Psalms of the Old Testament. Are the Psalms too not God inspired then, Empiree my dear Muslim brother friend, hmm, lol?

Empiree:
No way. Quran was Divinely inspired through archangel Gabriel to Prophet muhammad not some historians cooked up stories.

How long did it take Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to complete reciting the lines archangel Gabriel ordered him to, lol? 40 days and 40 nights, hmm, lol?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by MuttleyLaff: 6:16am On Mar 02, 2020

Acehart:
Good morning,

We see in the Book of Romans Paul’s expression: For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened; Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity. (Romans 1:21,24)

The tense in which the God’s sense of hardening is spoken about is the same sense as Paul’s explanation of God’s judicial action - sentencing them to the most extreme limit of the heart’s inclination against Him - judgement. Even in the original language, two words for “harden” are used; and that attributed to God agrees with Paul’s argument.

God gives the same benefit of grace to all but as the scriptures said: A man who hardens his neck after much reproof Will suddenly be broken beyond remedy (Proverbs 29:1). God reached His limit and judgment was pronounced.

(There is a limit to God’s reproof and Pharoah more than most got it in full measure - God did everything possible for his believing, but he resisted. God knows those who will believe Him but He will speak to all men about His righteousness nonetheless. God doesn’t tempt or influence any man to do evil.)

"¹⁵By now I could have lifted my hand and struck you and your people with a plague to wipe you off the face of the earth.
¹⁶But I have spared you for a purpose—to show you my power and to spread my fame throughout the earth.
¹⁷But you still lord it over my people and refuse to let them go."
- Exodus 9:15-17

"So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and He chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen."
- Romans 9:18

Good morning Acehart, lol, it seems you havent considered Apostle Paul's Romans 9 exegetical, the linchpin verses, by the way, are Romans 9:17-19, but with where, special focus can be centered on Romans 9:18, that's reproduced above.

Pharaoh and Egypt among a lot of other important things, like be a superpower incubation refuge for a building up nation of Israel, were deliberately and divinely selected for such a time as then, but this particular reigning Pharaoh in Exodus 9:15-17 above, lol, was specially selected and appointed by God because he naturally is going to, while under the right conditions, be susceptible to becoming stubborn and so lead to a hardening of his heart. God wasnt hardening any Pharaoh's heart that wasnt already raring in the first place to by itself and own accord harden up. Besides all that God was going to use the badass Pharaoh to shine.

Acehart, I am fairly sure, if you're going to be sincere and honest, you'll be the first to admit that, God doesnt directly hardened or directly darken people's heart. I am equally sure, you'll accept and agree that, it is a withdrawal of the presence of God that hardens or the absence of light of God that darkens up, and that when God withdraws His restraining Hand and/or illuminating and soothing Light, yawa go gas ooo, lol.

God hasnt a "His limit" to reach, God has no limit, lol, but God reaches your limit or God passes judgement when the limit of iniquity is reached or when sin like that of the Amorites, reaches its full measure. Pharaoh was committed to hardening his heart, and so God allowed him to, with His blessings, lol, be thrown out of His protection.

Christianity Etc › Re: Isn't A Sin To Insult Satan? by MuttleyLaff: 6:01am On Mar 02, 2020

sonmvayina:
Yes.. That is true, that is Enlil.. He is Lord of the command....
But the creator of all and Lord of the old testament was Marduk.

[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img]
If you swallow big bullshit,
you go shít big bullshit, lol

sonmvayina:
The lugal dimmer Ankia which literally translate to the divine king Of heaven and earth..

""Declare and proclaim among the nations.
Lift up a banner and proclaim. Don't conceal anything.
Say, 'Babylon will be captured. Bel will be disgraced, and Marduk will be destroyed.
Her idols will be disgraced, and her filthy images will be destroyed.'
"- Jeremiah 50:2

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by MuttleyLaff: 5:46am On Mar 02, 2020*

Eviana:
I totally agree with your "school boys" illustration and overall response here.
Your last two paragraphs basically sum it up.
Yep, you are also correct about King Darius...good example.

MuttleyLaff:
Well something like that

"But when his heart became arrogant and his spirit was hardened with pride,
he was deposed from his royal throne, and his glory was taken from him."
- Daniel 5:20

Reminds me of King Belshazzar, in Daniel 5:20 above, who too became so conceited that he became mouthy, just as like Pharaoh

I never mentioned or used King Darius.

King Darius was about Daniel and the lions den but I know you meant King Belshazzar sha, lol

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 10:15pm On Mar 01, 2020

Empiree:
Lol, told you to forget about "married to his wife".

Your wish is my command

Empiree:
Genesis says Cain left presence of his Lord. It didn't say he left with his wife and family to the land of Nod.

First and foremost, is the only family before turning vagabond he had was his missus, as in meaning, he only had a wife and not yet kids. Cain was the subject of the narrative, and it went without saying that he left with his wife to become a vagabond.

Empiree:
Why did you conclude he left with his wife?. That's biblical scholars that assumed that. Also the passage in Genesis inferred that there were people living in the land of Nod where Cain got his wife pregnant. Genesis didn't say that Cain went to land of Nod with his wife.

Genesis didnt say Cain went alone to the land of Nod without a wife either.

Empiree:
Again my question is where are those people in the land of Nod and his wife from if Adam was the first creation?.

If it was important to know, the Bible would have advanced that information. In the grand scheme of things, it is inconsequential so ithe information was left out. Capisce?

Empiree:
Read the attachments below. Your priest response to the answer has implications. First implication is that he admitted there might be people living in the land of Nod.

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]

What going on here?. What's with "your priest response"? Is there anything wrong with you typing "the priest's response ...." ni? So what if people are already living in the land of Nod? Is it a crime or illegal for people to live in the land of Nod ni?

Empiree:
Second, he admitted that writers felt that way which means Moses didn't write Genesis as Christians thought. Priest answer shows there are more than one writer of Genesis

So make we go fry beans because of there are more than one writer of the book of Genesis, erhn, hmm? Are you just JJC lately, knowing this, lol?

Empiree:
Third implication is that this Bible could not have been God's word.

By proxy then the Quran too could not be God's word too, lol. Ẹgbe kẹ gbẹ, na bad society, lol, dont you think, lol. You put your foot right in it lol, trying to play smarty-pants. The implication, then, my dear Muslim brother friend, is that you're in for a rude awakening to know that the Quran, is guilt by association, lol

Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding Malachi 3:10 by MuttleyLaff: 9:15pm On Mar 01, 2020

Lovelyn451:
Interesting

Acehart:
What did you find interesting about the writeup?

Interesting that it didnt slant into tithing at all, but more interesting and seriously, is the wonderful richness and enormous depth of the write up

Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 8:44pm On Mar 01, 2020

Empiree:
Okay, maybe you have problem with "he married a woman". How about he (Cain) impregnated a woman in the land he went?...

Smh, your problem is, you arent aware your nose by the minute is growing. Tell me, is it now a crime to impregnate ones wife after emigration ni?

Empiree:
Anyways, the story is in Genesis 4. Read the whole story. In Genesis 4:16 says Cain vacated his family (Adam and Eve) after murdering his brother, Abel. Genesis vs 16 says Cain left and had a son (Enoch) with a woman. Question is, where did woman that Cain impregnated in the land of Nod come from if Adam was the first creation?.

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
So what if Cain left the presence of the Lord and his Mum & Dad family

Where in this your special Genesis 4:16 read, do you see in Genesis 4:16, that Cain married in it, huh? Where did you read

If Cain, at Genesis 4:17, had sexual relations with his wife, did it not occur to you that Cain, must have left the Lord's presence with his wife ni, hmm, and that it is the same wife he got impregnated upon getting to Nod? Everyday is a educational biblical school day for most of my dear Muslim brothers sha, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by MuttleyLaff: 8:17pm On Mar 01, 2020

Acehart:
Hi,

On one hand you agree with me and on the other hand your disagree with me. Let’s look at the following verses:

Exo 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

Exo 7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

The word “harden“ in verse 3 translated as qâshâh is different in meaning from “harden” in verse 13 translated as châzaq. Your quote from 1st Samuel is synonymous with châzaq.

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
So what if its synonymous.

Forget whatever 1st Samuel it is that I quoted because the point of the quote, is about who directly is doing the hardening of hearts here. Have you at all, comparatively high and well enough, looked at Exodus 7:3 and 7:13, huh? In the context of Exodus 7:3 and 7:13, do you really at all, understand the distinction between "qashah" and "chazaq"?

Fyi, 1 Samuel 6:6, echoes Exodus 7:13, they, the Israelites, just like Pharaoh, by their own accord, stiffened (i.e. "chazaq'') their hearts. God did not stiff it for them. God paved the way for "chazaq'' to happen, the moment He permitted "qashah" by withdrawing His restraining Hand on their hearts. He didnt directly do any "qashah" nor personally do any "chazaq'' either.

Acehart:
If we stick with the meanings which I put in parentheses when quoting Eviana; they are two different things. Many times when we suggest that any writer in the Bible is in error (He should have written this instead of that) is an affront to the Spirit of Christ. The scriptures are inerrant.

Brother, did you think I havent envisaged you will try to bring up verses like Exodus 4:21, 7:3, 7:13, 9:12, 10:1, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10, 14:4, 14:8, hmm?

I repeat that, God indirectly hardened Pharaoh's heart and I already with the boarding school boys, have explained how this was done. Pharaoh was left to his own devices to do his worst. God, by implication of withdrawing His Hand on Pharaoh's heart hardened Pharaoh's heart. This is why I specified "divine hardening" coming into play when God stopped putting His restraining Hand on Pharaoh's heart that was preventing Pharaoh's heart from hardening up. The other one I specified was "self hardening" and this played out three times, as we see in Exodus. 8:15, 8:32 and 9:34

Brother, the scriptures are inerrant, doesnt mean translations are inerrant too, lol. Please dont tempt me to list a few blatant bible verses errors made by translators, lol.

Acehart:
The writer wrote that God hardened Pharoah’s heart and that isn’t a mistake. The only question we are permitted to ask is: what did he mean?

Smh, are you for real or you're just making this up as you go along, hmm? Where from and/or who told you that there is only one question we are permitted to ask and that is "what did he mean" Pftt.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Cain's Wife - Where Did He Get Her? by MuttleyLaff: 7:03pm On Mar 01, 2020

Empiree:
Bible, right?.

Nope, the book of A&E is not bible. It is apocrypha, as in meaning, its dodgy and/or of doubtful origin.

Empiree:
I wouldn't have problem with that. Problem is Bible said one of Adam's sons went to another to town and married a woman from there.
[s]Question is, how did they exist or who birthed then if Adam was the first creation, then his Eve, then their 2 sons, Abel and Cain?[/s].

My dear Muslim brother friend, with all due respect, where did you in the whole Bible read that "... one of Adam's sons went to another to town and married a woman from there" hmm? Haba! Abeggy fear God nah.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by MuttleyLaff: 6:44pm On Mar 01, 2020*

Acehart:
You said: people misunderstand the “hardened part”. With your explanation, I think many more people will continue to misunderstand because the scriptures says God hardened Pharoah’s heart but you have said Pharoah hardened his own heart - a contradiction.

"Why harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened theirs?
When He afflicted them, did they not send the people on their way as they departed?"
- 1 Samuel 6:6

Eviana, by saying Pharoah hardened his own heart is 10000% correct and no chance making a contradiction

Acehart:
When we look the scriptures we see that God is the sole source and instigator of repentance- He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy on. Didn’t we read that “the goodness of God leads to repentance”? Wasn’t Manneseh ‘more evil’ than Pharoah? yet God caused Him to repent.

Why are you comparing apples with oranges, hmm? Of course, Manasseh was just as badass as Pharaoh, if not more, but there was a beacon of light and/or ray of hope at the end of Manasseh's tunnel, unlike in Pharaoh's case, who was irredeemable and in collision course with the light in his tunnel that was that of a fast moving freight train

Acehart:
The best way to explain “hardened” is to look at the interaction between fire and wax: The closer fire is to wax, the softer it gets; Jesus said, “… everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.” (John 3:20). Yes, many of us had experienced the truth in this verse in that when we have sinned, we avoided situations (e.g., not attending worship services and/or small group meetings) where we would be reminded of our broken fellowship with God. We avoided the light that would shine on our darkness. Yet God found a way to approach us in our “waxen” state and we repented - what goodness!

Read the following next coming, as it gets the better of your best way to explain “hardened”

Back in the day, talking of when being in dormitory at boarding school now, when two kids are raring to fight, usually a senior(s) or their mates will try to prevent them from having the fight and slugging it out. Sometimes, the senior(s) or their mates, will relent and give in because the boys are still doing "agidi and gra-gra" that they want to fight. When the principal finds out about the fight and then asks, who made them fight, the answer he usually gets is, it's the senior or the mates who did, and this because of the fact that the boys were been separated and blocked from fighting each other, but wouldn't have any of that, so the senior or their mates allowed the boys to start having the fight. So in a way, thats how it is concluded that the senior and/or their mates allowed and made the boys fight, although they, the boys in actual sense were raring to fight initially/fight as well and so to an extent were impossible to stop or prevent from having the fight.

It is similar with Pharaoh and God, just like the boys' seniors and room mates didnt per se make the boys fight, but just stepped back or aside for them to go ahead fighting, so God didnt directly harden Pharaoh's heart.

Acehart:
But when God withdraws His presence, it can be likened to when a kindled fire is put far from wax: the wax turns stiff and remains so. God intended to save Pharoah through the messages of His prophets; and signs and wonders, but He rejected God - he hated the light so that his wickedness would not be exposed. For this, the psalmist said: But as for me, the nearness of God is my good (Psalms 73:28) - this is our boast.

Pharoah’s heart is an reflection of what happens when God’s rejection of a nation or person is in effect (Isa. 54: 8 ). So God hardened Pharoah’s heart and not Pharoah hardened his own heart, as you said; the scripture is not wrong.

Pharaoh's heart with God's Hand on it, was like a sponge saturated with water (i.e. word of God) and so prevented from drying out and hardening, but the moment God withdrew His restraining Hand on Pharaoh's heart, Pharaoh had the freedom to do as he wish in his heart. That is how God indirectly hardened Pharaoh's heart.

We see divine hardening, as in meaning God letting Pharaoh have his way and self hardening, as in meaning, Pharaoh had his wish and way comes into play.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by MuttleyLaff: 6:43pm On Mar 01, 2020

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by MuttleyLaff: 4:14pm On Mar 01, 2020

TATIME:
Hardening here refers to speak without using force. If a man (not manly enough to beat you) should walk up to you and demand for your salary, would you easily give it away? But what if he THREATENED your existence with a gun, how difficult will it be for you to surrender?

That statement simply means God used Moses who seems powerless, harmless and old to speak on his behalf, and there is no threat to Pharaoh's very existence. But when his son (heir to his throne) died, Pharaoh realized that it costs this very person Moses is talking about to kill him if this so called God could come into his own palace to kill his heir!

He later decided to go on a suicide mission seeing that his nation has been devastated completely to the extent that the Israelites aren't just leaving but GOING AWAY WITH 90% OF WHAT REMAINS AS WEALTH IN EGYPT!
The plagues destroyed so many things in Egypt while the Israelites felt safe and secure in Goshen, now they're leaving and taking away 90% of the GOLD in Egypt!
Pharaoh decided to die with them!

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MuttleyLaff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWAUhadJzTk

The access to have Jesus Christ represent you, is the right to free legal aid, you share of with every other human being. It doesnt matter how unpopular, nasty or horrible a person you are, if you believe in Jesus Christ and want Him, anytime, in your life, before or after death, to take your case, He will, He will take your case as an Advocate, Defense Attorney, Defence Counsel, Lawyer, Solicitor or Barrister and win it for you. Instead of you representing and defending yourself, it is Jesus Christ who this way comes to your aid and brings His expertise to the task.

Read earlier post above yours and even read further on below Original.kalokalo for more. The chance is still there after death and there is a good reason for the provision and just set up

The YouTube video is flawed on many fronts and is riddled with false and inaccurate information, especially and deliberately intended to mislead with. There are more holes than Swiss cheese in the warped YouTube video

The word Jesse and name Jesus Christ is an anathema for the Mr Smith and Mr Clark of this world, so his nature will never let Mr Smith accept Jesse as a Counsel to represent and defend him. This Jesus Christ deep-seated feeling of aversion is applicable to the frosbel.2, D.antedasz etcetera of this world declining the free legal aid service of Jesus Christ.

The fact and truth of the matter, is that Jesus Christ depicted as Jesse, in that YouTube video, already 2000 years old, was wounded for human beings' iniquities, He was bruised for human beings' sins, endured punishment that made human beings well and because of his wounds human beings have been healed, there is no need for Jesse to be punished again for Mr Smith and Mr Clark, all that Mr Smith and Mr Clark needed to do is to accept Jesus Christ, confess Him with their mouth and believe in heart, but do you really think that will happen huh? Hell will have to freeze first before any chance of that could be considered it will happen

Even at crunch down, like in a court room, as depicted in that YouTube video, you can tell a lot about a person's character from how they act when the chips are down.

Case in point, because of Mr Smith's and Mr Clark's chronic and hardened nature, they will rather go to the dark abyss, than lose face by accepting Jesus Christ as Saviour and personally acknowledging Him and having Jesus Christ as a Counsel to represent them. Notice in the YouTube video that Mr Smith and Mr Clark represented themselves. Need I go on? Need I say more?

There is a local parlance in vernacular that says: "Ọgẹdẹ fẹ bajẹ, a nsọpe o npọn" loosely translate, "the plantain is not staying fresh, wants to go brown and bad, but in denial, we're saying its ripening, lol" Pharaoh, just like a bunch of bananas, wanted to go bad. He had his way and wish, when God let go His hand on his heart. God never directly hardened Pharaoh's heart.

Pharaoh true to his nature and character, by his own, self hardened his own heart. God just stepped aside for him to do just that after so many restraints, so many miracles etcetera and to no avail, lol

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by MuttleyLaff: 4:10pm On Mar 01, 2020

xcabczyxabczzzz:
Because he is petty a character.

Well something like that

Eviana:
Very well written....people misunderstand "the hardened" part.

Pharoah hardened his own heart...through his repeated defiance/failure to repent from repeated warnings/signs from God through Moses.
His cup finally filled up and his choice had been sealed.
People always have a "choice", but there is a "cut-off" time...of which we do not know.
Reminds me of King Saul.....

Hebrews 3:15 (KJV)
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation

"But when his heart became arrogant and his spirit was hardened with pride,
he was deposed from his royal throne, and his glory was taken from him."
- Daniel 5:20

Reminds me of King Belshazzar, in Daniel 5:20 above, who too became so conceited that he became mouthy, just as like Pharaoh

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart? by MuttleyLaff: 4:08pm On Mar 01, 2020

ibinaboonline:
If God Wanted Pharaoh To Repent, Why Did He Harden Pharaoh's Heart?
Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart?

About two weeks ago as I write this, I read a thread posted here on Nairaland forum with the title; ‘Why Did God Send an evil spirit To Torment Saul?’ scrolling down the comment section of the thread someone wrote; ‘The better question is why did God harden Pharaoh’s heart?’ While I have written and published a response to the first question, I’ll like address the second one.

I do understand how the Bible’s account of God hardening Pharaoh’s heart would be confusing. In fact, this particular story is a favourite for Bible sceptics always looking to discredit the sacred texts of the Holy Scriptures. You could read Pharaoh’s story in the Bible book of Exodus 5-12. The account is about an Egyptian ruler who enslaved the Hebrew tribes living in Egypt and subjected the people to a life of hard labour, extreme maltreatment, and slavery.

It got to a point where the God of Israel raised a prophet- Moses- to lead the Israelites out of captivity in Egypt to a land of their own. Then God sent Moses to request peaceful passage of the Hebrews out of Egypt from Pharaoh the Egyptian ruler. Not surprising, Pharaoh turned down this request even though Moses explained that the request was on the orders of the Hebrew God. In fact, Pharaoh retorted that he knew no such God and was not liable to listen to Him.

Exodus 5:2
"Pharaoh said, "Who is the Lord, that I should obey him and let Israel go? I do not know the Lord and I will not let Israel go."" NIV

You see, a remark like that from a powerful king like Pharaoh hardly goes without an answer from the King of kings. It is important to understand that God had been aware of Israel’s sufferings and the harsh treatments meted out to them in Egypt for many years under the rulership of a pharaoh who neither feared God nor cared about the anguish of the Hebrews. Pharaoh and the Egyptian government had ample time to reconsider their treatment of the Israelites but they didn’t nor showed any signs of reducing the sufferings of their subjects.

Eventually at the fullness of time, Pharaoh’s cup was full. Why did God harden Pharaoh’s heart so that none of the miraculous signs he saw could change his mind? God hardened his heart because his cup was already full. Pharaoh had already been sentenced, do you understand? You see, when you hear people say ‘it’s never too late,’ don’t believe it! Did not the Bible say,

Ecclesiastes 12:4
"Remember him (God) before the door to life's opportunities is closed and the sound of work fades. Now you rise at the first chirping of the birds, but then all their sounds will grow faint."

Contrary to what many people think, the door to life can be shut even before physical death occurs; it can be too late. Pharaoh had more than enough time to relieve the Hebrew tribes of their heavy burdens but he chose not to do so even though his predecessor treated the Hebrews with remarkable kindness. Pharaoh had a final chance to show some respect to God the first time Moses came to him to request the release of the Hebrews, but Pharaoh not only insulted God but proceeded to double the sufferings of the Israelites.

So the door of escape was shut to Pharaoh because his cup had filled. Yes this is a reality; cups fill! The miraculous displays that followed in Pharaoh’s presence in Egypt was God’s way of demonstrating his power and righteousness not only for the people of that time but also for future generations.

Consider the sons of Eli. Eli was a priest but his sons were scoundrels who degraded and disparaged the worship of God and even seduced the temple servant girls. The Bible says;

1 Samuel 2:22-25
"Now Eli was very old, but he was aware of what his sons were doing to the people of Israel. He knew, for instance, that his sons were seducing the young women who assisted at the entrance of the Tabernacle. Eli said to them, "I have been hearing reports from all the people about the wicked things you are doing. Why do you keep sinning? You must stop, my sons! The reports I hear among the Lord's people are not good. If someone sins against another person, God can mediate for the guilty party. But if someone sins against the Lord, who can intercede?" But Eli's sons wouldn't listen to their father, for the Lord was already planning to put them to death."

The Message Bible Translation of verse 25 reads,
"But they were far gone in disobedience and refused to listen to a thing their father said. So God, who was fed up with them, decreed their death."

This account of the Bible is as serious as it is revealing. Eli knew what his children were doing but he did not put much effort in forbidding them because he himself got fat from the proceeds of their crimes against God. The Bible says that the boys did not listen to their father’s corrections and God was fed up- their cups were filled to the brim. It was too late for repentance. They were still alive but God had ‘closed their books.’ It is written,

Galatians 6:7
"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked."

With Pharaoh, God did not harden the heart of a man who had a chance of repentance. The miracles Moses performed in Egypt may have scared Pharaoh enough to cave in and release the Hebrews but it wouldn’t have changed his heart. When you have a chance to do the right thing; don’t harden your heart. Your conscience is a testimony that the door is still open to you, but the door won’t be permanently open, and conscience may die. If you harden your heart, a time may come when it will be too late.

MuttleyLaff:
God did not, per se, harden Pharaoh's heart, Pharaoh, was rearing to harden his heart but couldnt because God's Hand was on it.

The moment God lifted away His hand, Pharaoh let hell loose. God doesnt do bad evil, no bad evil is in God. David too counted, on his own accord and following his impulse, not that God moved him to count. God allowed him to carry out what he had decided in his heart to do.

Christianity Etc › Re: Isn't A Sin To Insult Satan? by MuttleyLaff: 3:19pm On Mar 01, 2020

orisa37:
Please don't underrate my Tolerance.

I am not underrating your tolerance, but only saying you're a pair of flip flop slippers trying hard acting like a pair of louboutins. You're really are tempting fate, throwing down the gauntlet to the devil

orisa37:
I am more hopeful than Job and I know very well that CHRIST has conquered the World for me.

I hope you also know very well that, unlike you, Job didnt goad Satan. Job didnt, by himself and out of his way, go looking for Satan's trouble. Job didnt invite, didnt challenge and/or confront Satan for a showdown

Preciousgirl:
Can a Christian insult Satan?
Thanks

orisa37:
It's unchristiainly to call Satan a Bastard.

Fyi, if someone is an unpleasant or despicable person, there is nothing wrong in stating the obvious. It is not an insult, it is not an opinion, but it is a statement of fact that Satan is a bastard.

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