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Chi59:
You need prayers

You, pchukwudi and OP need them more than I do

AgamaProf:
Speaking in tongues is inspired by the holy ghost. Do not force yourself to speak in tongues. It's the spirit that gives utterance. The disciple of Christ had to wait for the holy ghost.

When people dont know the original and only purpose for the gift of speaking in tongue, they'll will misuse, abuse, distort, invent and twist the gift

Chi59:
Ill health is affecting my prayer life. I remember those nights when I used to roar in tongues. aaarggghhhh!

Inadvertently roaring curses and damnation upon self. Just thank God from saving you from the end time deception of the demonic spirit

Chi59:
So in all that was written, that's all you could glean from it? You were actually looking for holes where there is none.

Nobi today yansh don tay for fowl back now. This is an over flogged subject in the same league and category as those spreading and promoting obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing.

Chi59:
Prayer in tongues is extremely powerful. It is an advanced level of prayer. When you enter that level eh, you will be experiencing things, seeing things, hearing things that ordinarily you might never experience while using your mother tongue

In my best Paul's style, impression and imitation, I ask: Who has bewitched you?

Take it from me and authoritatively from the bible too, that the only level you are entering with those false and demonic tongues you speak, is the realm of darkness and the ungodly.

Dhumancanvas:
If you wanna put it that way then fine. I can't argue with that. While I live my life compassionately I don't have it in mind that I'm doing for Jesus or anybody in particular tho

There really isnt anything to argue about here nwanne. As a matter of fact and truth, you aren't the first who thinks that way that you don't have it in mind that you're doing for Jesus or anybody in particular and even wont be the last. It's like, whether you believe in the law of gravity or not, except bar a miracle, doesnt, prevent it from its course of action, when defied or unwisely violated

jiggaz:
We are living in increasingly dangerous times, thereby leading us to feel stressed, anxious and worried.
We don't know if there will be a world war three before Jesus comes back.
But one thing is for sure: we need to know the promises of Psalm 91.
There is a place in Christ that we can be protected.

Acts 2:1-4 - On the birthday of the church, the first present that God gave them is a prayer language.
The Law was also given on the Day of Pentecost and there was fire on Mount Sinai.
When the Holy Spirit came, He also came as tongues of fire.
When the Law was given, 3000 people died.
When the Holy Spirit came, Peter preached and 3000 people were saved.
The letter (the Law) kills but the Spirit gives life.

“When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” (Acts 2:1-4 NKJV)

The Father always loved His Son Jesus. Jesus obeyed the Father perfectly.
The book of Isaiah says that it pleased the Father to crush Jesus at the cross because of His great love for us.

The Law demands righteousness from man, whereas Grace supplies righteousness to man.

Acts 2:11-13 - It's no longer about how bad man is, but about how good God is.
It's no longer about the puny works of man, but about the wonderful works of God.
When you pray in tongues, you are proclaiming the wonderful works of God and enlarging your spirit.

“Cretans and Arabs--we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?” Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.”” (Acts 2:11-13 NKJV)
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Pray in #tongues whenever you can! You never know what protection you are receiving or what destiny is being shaped for you as you pray it in faith. #Holy angels war against demonic powers when you yield your tongue to the Holy Spirit! ?

The gift of tongues is a weapon and is also an instrument that God has given to us.
If God tells you in advance about an accident that may befall you in the future and to pray against it in your spoken language, it can cause you to be afraid.
But when you pray in tongues you don't know what you are praying for so you won't be worried.

I Corinthians 14:2 - When you are praying in tongues you are speaking to God!
When you are praying in tongues it is the Holy Spirit in you that is praying.
It is the Holy Spirit who gives you the words, it is not from your brain.

“For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.” (I Corinthians 14:2 NKJV)

I Corinthians 14:4 - When you pray in tongues you are being edified: constructing, building up and repairing a house/building, which is your body.
Sometimes the devil comes and tells you to stop praying in tongues and that you are just making it up.
He wants to rob you of your health.

“He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.” (I Corinthians 14:4 NKJV)

I Corinthians 6:19 - Your body is a building - a temple.
Your body is the Holy of Holies and God wants His temple clean, beautiful and holy.
Good news - Your face is also part of the temple of God, so God can repair it and maintain your youth and beauty when you pray in tongues!

“Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?” (I Corinthians 6:19 NKJV)
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When you are praying in tongues you are speaking to God! When you are praying in tongues it is the Holy Spirit in you that is praying. It is the Holy Spirit who gives you the words, it is not from your brain.
When you are praying in tongues you are speaking to God! When you are praying in tongues it is the Holy Spirit in you that is praying. It is the Holy Spirit who gives you the words, it is not from your brain.


​Praying in Tongues Helps Us to Rest and Be Refreshed

I Corinthians 14:21-22 - Some believers won't believe in the gift of tongues.

“In the law it is written: “With men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; And yet, for all that, they will not hear Me,” says the Lord. Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.” (I Corinthians 14:21-22 NKJV)

Isaiah 28:11-12 - The words "the rest" in the verse is the Hebrew word "menuchah".
The book of Daniel says that the spirit of the antichrist will wear out the saints in the end times.
One of things that the devil does is try to stress and wear you out.

“For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom He said, “This is the rest with which You may cause the weary to rest,” And, “This is the refreshing”; Yet they would not hear.” (Isaiah 28:11-12 NKJV)

Psalm 95:11 - The word "rest" is also the Hebrew word "menuchah".

“So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”” (Psalms 95:11 NKJV)

God wants us to labor to enter into His rest.
Sometimes praying in tongues feels like a labor.
You pray and pray but nothing seems to be happening, except you having a dry mouth.
The devil will keep telling you to stop it and that you're just making it up.
But long before God removes that disease, that problem etc, the first few days, God is dealing with your fears, anxieties and worries first.

You cannot deal with supernatural problems like the devil's attacks by using natural means.
Natural means like popping pills, going for massages, smelling essential oils may temporarily relieve the pain but it doesn't solve it permanently.
When you pray in tongues, it supernaturally unties the knots in your body that are caused by the devil.

The date where the Ark that Noah built rested on Mount Ararat is the same date that Jesus rose from the dead.
Rest is not possible until Jesus rose from the dead.

The Church is the most powerful organization in the universe and it is eternal - we will be forever.

This world won't be destroyed by a nuclear holocaust. This world won't be conquered by any man. Jesus will return!


​Praying in Tongues is a Weapon that Supernaturally Cleanses Our Bodies

II Chronicles 29:3-9 - King Ahaz was a wicked king of Israel. He was an idol worshipper and one of the first things he did was to shut the doors of the temple of God.
As a result, Israel was plunged into darkness and women and children had all kinds of bad things happening to them.
Then King Ahaz died and his son King Hezekiah became one of the most holiest kings of Israel.
One of the first things King Hezekiah did when he became king was that he opened the doors of the temple.
Only when the doors are opened then can you get rid of the filth inside.
Today the temple is our body and the door of the temple is our mouth.
We can open the door and get rid of the filth within us by praying in tongues.
When you stop praying in tongues, the lamp goes out and you don't receive revelation.

“In the first year of his reign, in the first month, he opened the doors of the house of the LORD and repaired them. He brought in the priests and the Levites and gathered them into the square on the east. Then he said to them, "Listen to me, O Levites. Consecrate yourselves now, and consecrate the house of the LORD, the God of your fathers, and carry the uncleanness out from the holy place. For our fathers have been unfaithful and have done evil in the sight of the LORD our God, and have forsaken Him and turned their faces away from the dwelling place of the LORD, and have turned their backs. They have also shut the doors of the porch and put out the lamps, and have not burned incense or offered burnt offerings in the holy place to the God of Israel. Therefore the wrath of the LORD was against Judah and Jerusalem, and He has made them an object of terror, of horror, and of hissing, as you see with your own eyes. For behold, our fathers have fallen by the sword, and our sons and our daughters and our wives are in captivity for this.” (2 Chronicles 29:3-9 NASB)

Psalms 141:3 - This is proof that the mouth is the door.

“Set a guard, O LORD, over my mouth; Keep watch over the door of my lips.” (Psalms 141:3 NKJV)

Never take lightly someone who is suffering from depression.
They are really suffering and they get evil imaginations of bad things happening in their future.

II Chronicles 29:16-17 - They brought out all the unclean things over many days. It didn't happen instantaneously. It took time.
Your problems may take time to be removed, but continue to pray in tongues.

“So the priests went in to the inner part of the house of the LORD to cleanse it, and every unclean thing which they found in the temple of the LORD they brought out to the court of the house of the LORD. Then the Levites received it to carry out to the Kidron valley. Now they began the consecration on the first day of the first month, and on the eighth day of the month they entered the porch of the LORD. Then they consecrated the house of the LORD in eight days, and finished on the sixteenth day of the first month.” (2 Chronicles 29:16-17 NASB)

Isaiah 41:15-16 - If you find it hard to have the faith to speak to the mountain and have it removed immediately, God has graciously provided another way to remove the mountain - to cut the mountain away gradually .
The word "teeth" in the Hebrew means "double mouth". It is referring to praying in tongues.
When you pray in tongues, it is cutting away the mountain over time and eventually it will disappear.

““Behold, I will make you into a new threshing sledge with sharp teeth; You shall thresh the mountains and beat them small, And make the hills like chaff. You shall winnow them, the wind shall carry them away, And the whirlwind shall scatter them; You shall rejoice in the LORD, And glory in the Holy One of Israel.” (Isaiah 41:15-16 NKJV)

John 10:22-23 - Solomon's porch is where Jesus' miracles were done.

“Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch.” (John 10:22-23 NKJV)

Acts 3:11 - The gate called "Beautiful" is believed by many to be the Eastern Gate that is sealed. The lame man was healed in Solomon's porch.

“Now as the lame man who was healed held on to Peter and John, all the people ran together to them in the porch which is called Solomon’s, greatly amazed.” (Acts 3:11 NKJV)

Acts 5:12-16 - They were all healed in Solomon's Porch. Pastor Prince believes that we should aim to pray in tongues until as a church, we reach that level of manifestation where no one is sick!

“And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they were all with one accord in Solomon’s Porch. Yet none of the rest dared join them, but the people esteemed them highly. And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women, so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all healed.” (Acts 5:12-16 NKJV)

At the end of the service, Pastor Prince prayed a prayer of impartation for everyone to receive the gift of tongues:
Be confident that you have received the gift of tongues.
Be baptized and inundated by the Holy Spirit and be filled to the full with the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit won't force you to pray in tongues.
You are in control of when to start and when to stop.
Pray in tongues and when you are faithful with the few syllables that God has given you, He will give you more and more words.
You can also sing in tongues.

Why do people believe the lies they hear, but not the truth they read and see in the Bible?

It's amazing the lies that people are ready to believe about themselves and especially in relation to the gift of speaking in tongues, when the truth about the gift of speaking in tongues, actually much more interesting, is that the bible says, the benefit of the gift of speaking in tongues is for unbelievers and/or the unbelieving. It never suggested nor says, the benefit(s) of the gift of speaking in tongues, can be used as a weapon or to prevent assasination attempts etcetera with

Dhumancanvas:
If I'm reading it right and you're saying religion as way of life not necessarily any specific organised religion and you're saying as a way of life one should live through love, empathy and compassion among other virtues then I completely agree with you my friend

Let those be your passions, interest, rituals you religiously thrive at and do. If you do those, you advertently or inadvertently, are obeying and/or doing the commands of Jesus, that will guarantee you a safe haven

Dhumancanvas:
Everyone one has a conscience, its preloaded in the human operating system.

I am pleased you acknowlege this fact and truth.

Dhumancanvas:
Except for psyhopaths which is a genetic defect.

Not just and/or only psychopaths, but true still, because if the conscience is not clear and good, then it must have gone defective then

Dhumancanvas:
Yes empathy and compassion are among the highest virtues but once again. We come preloaded with them. When you see someone have a bad fall and break a bone, your brain has these things called mirror neurons which replay what you've just seen in your head like its you it happened to causing you to cringe. You instantly feel bad for the person , thats empathy in action and it happens instinctively. Compassion for example is something like what a mother feels for her child.

Love actually is the highest virtue, however the religion you are advised to follow is empathy and/or compassion. These are what you are advised to religiously be doing, as in having and/or showing compassion or empathy

Dhumancanvas:
Theses are things we have regardless of religious orientation, regardless of a believe in God.
So one does not require religion or belief to feel these.

They are the only true pure religion and that is approved of by God

Dhumancanvas:
Frankly if hearing the word and not accepting means doom then I don't think people should spread the word. Unless you are 100% sure your audience will accept it.

Obeying and/or doing the commands of Jesus will save Dhumancanvas

BeLookingIDIOT:
The real reason for this thread is because of tithing
OP there are more 700 laws in the OT.Even if we omit the ones Jesus and co-Jesus(Paul) abrogated,which are few,we still would have a lot of laws to observe...I mean laws which include ones that would render you a criminal if you practiced them in today's world.

You know this person very well

Dhumancanvas:
Do you agree tho that if you were born in india you would not be christian. It wouldn't even occur to you to be Christian?

I know of people born in India, who happen to be believers and/or christians though Dhumancanvas

Dhumancanvas:
From your post what I can gather is that its not necessary to know God for salvation. Is that correct? If your conscience is good then you're good.

Who put that conscience there in you, Dhumancanvas?
Depending Dhumancanvas, on whether you have a clear and good conscience, your salvation is guaranteed

Dhumancanvas:
Thats messed up. The last part. So hearing about him is more or less a curse. If you tell me about him, rather unconvincingly(cuz it usually is) and I don't believe you cuz im a skeptical, critical thinker. You have pretty much doomed me. Cuz i would have been judged based on my conscience but now I'm gonna be judged cuz I didn't buy into your unconvicing tale. I think y'all evangelists should stop trying to convert people and dooming them to hell. You are doing them a mis-service.

Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God Dhumancanvas.

Dhumancanvas:
Mind you. If I did belong to another religion and followed it fully. If you brought your christianity to me I am not likely to buy into it. Just like if I tried to convert you to bhuddism your faith and orientation/conditioning won't allow you to give bhuddism a chance.

The only religion that is true, pure, one that God approves and finds no fault in it, that you follow fully is to show compassion and/or empathy

Religion takes different shapes and forms, has different passions, interest, rituals etcetera. Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, New Age, Scientology, Paganism, TAR, etcetera too are religions. Also for some, sports, like football or hockey is a religion. For others and/or some, fashion too is a religion and atheism too funnily enough, as well, is a religion however there is only one true and pure religion, that is faultless. So let's call a spade, a spade, as nobody, not even you Dhumancanvas, can find a fault in empathy and/or with compassion.

It is organised religion(s), like for example, Christianity, before you latch on to that that Karl Marx comment, that is called the opium of the people, and not empathy and/or compassion, that is pure, true and without faults Dhumancanvas

Dhumancanvas:
Don't you think it's kinda funny. That our religious orientation and our salvation as a result is due largely to pure chance of being born into the right culture that would expose you to God in way that you would be accepting of it. In others words alot of people are doomed simply for being born which is no fault of theirs.

Be rest assured that God is fair and just. Nobody gets going to where they dont deserve to be. Even your conscience will agree with whatever judgement is pronounced on you.

Orangina:
Why was Lucifer weaker than Archangel Michael?

Lucifer would be weaker than Archangel Michael because Archangel Michael and/or whoever is called upon will be empowered proportional to the task on hand, which is confronting Satan aka Lucifer.

Orangina:
Would that not make God versus Satan very one-sided?

No it doesnt, it means, God putting forward one able to cope with another

Orangina:
It is my understanding that Lucifer is God’s most perfect and powerful creation.

He was not God's most perfect and powerful creation but was the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

Orangina:
His job was to guard God’s great white throne in heaven. This is the throne God will sit upon when he makes the final judgement over all. Lucifer was not perfect and became jealous of God and desired to place his throne above God’s. He recruited 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and wage war against God. He was defeated and cast down to the Earth with his followers, hence one of his names is the Prince of the Air.

can accept and live with this comment

Orangina:
Lucifer is more powerful than any of the archangels

Is not more powerful than any of the archangels, but has certain privileges, that for now, enjoys and revels in

Orangina:
IN revelations it takes all four to bend him and toss him into the bottomless pit for Christ’s thousand year reign on Earth.

This is incorrect, as it is only one angel, that seized and threw him into the bottomless pit

Orangina:
The God in that story is all powerful … so any conflict between God and anybody would be pretty one-sided.

Well it wouldnt matter to you or anyone, if you are a badarse

Orangina:
Lucifer seems to keep thinking that he can win though … funny that, you’d think he’d be one of the few beings with absolute certainty of the power of God.

On the contrary, he doesnt think he can win, he knows he is a loser

Orangina:
It can be tricky to keep straight, because Jacob apparently wins a wrestling match against god in gen 32.

Jacob won the mental wrestling match of the minds. You see God doesnt mind you winning, it just has to be a fair, good and clean win

Orangina:
Anyway - Lucifer was weaker than Michael because Mikey had God on his side.

Dont you always put your best foot forward? Dont you always leave your affair(s) in good and/or capable hands?

Orangina:
And yes - this makes God v satan very one sided … can you find one place in the Bible where Satan wins a fight or a contest?

That'll be the day.

Orangina:
Probably why Satan created lawyers.

Satan doesnt not create anything, Satan is an adversary

Orangina:
What?

Yeah.

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JMAN05:
Lucifer most powerful? First, Satan is not Lucifer

We know that Satan is not Lucifer really. We know how and /or what you mean by that

JMAN05:
Secondly, Satan is not an archangel.

"Then the king will say to those on his left,
"Get away from me! You are under God's curse. Go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels!"
- Matthew 25:41

I beg to differ, if Satan has angels and/or messengers, then by de facto, Satan for that reason, is an archangel

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jcross19:
Satan is never the strongest but one of the strongest according to the book of Ezekiel 28 vs13-17, there he was called guardian cherub, so is in the rank of cherub while seraphim are more powerful than cherub. another name for seraphim are called the flaming ones.

I totally concur with this comment without any demur

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jcross19:
arch angel Michael is not most powerful angel but is just a war machinery for God. is just a messenger that carry out the duty of God is just like buratai of Nigeria defence compare vice president or senate president. we have 9 celestial ladders which Michael falls in the second rank. compare to the dominion, principality,thrones,virtue,cherub,seraphim and The invincibility Himself.

I just dey well well gbadun this dear brother and his comments. His head deh there.

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Orangina:
becoming interesting.

I tell you.
If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know

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jcross19:
even in the Bible there is no where Bible referred to him the most powerful.

Thank you very much for this illuminating comment, you no dey carry last jaare.

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jcross19:
no!!!!Lucifer simply mean cunning in nature I mean something is full of wisdom. in the rank of heaven there are some they call them luciferians, ahiriama and so much like that. in bible we have something like devil, Satan, lucifer and queen of heaven. so in those entity they are just two appearing like four.

Nope, it means bearer of light. It is devil that means cunning, as in like, the serpent that was cunning etcetera

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jcross19:
book Ezekiel 28vs13-17 will tell you more of devil and why angel Michael confronted him is because God want to ridicule him. like I have said in heavenly kingdom they obey the last order until God ask them to take action so we have more stronger and powerful angels than Michael. Go and check the things about flaming ones . bros do you know that heavenly being knows how God look like only Christ does and the flaming ones. even Michael can't dare it.

At the emboldened YOYO there because power is given to assigned angel in proportional to the task at hand

shadeyinka:
Amen!
Thanks for the encouragement!

Namaste!.
Its a validation that your head deh there but you could take it as encouragement if you want too as well, as you can see that I just couldnt hide it, that I "gbadun" that your reply comment and/or post to Dhumancanvas well well.

Seun:
I love civilized countries. I wish Nigeria could become a country where the police would be held accountable for mistreating a random street preacher.

OLAADEGBU:
It is my prayer that Nigeria will one day join the number of countries that can be called civilised, in my lifetime.

Nigeria is civilised, only that civilised past civilised, as in, that civilised has many levels. I am not sure which level of civilised, Naija is on though.

When Naija comes to have established, working and effective institutions, ombudsmans, regulatory authorities etcetera the country will be sweeter to live in.

shadeyinka:
I must confess it started with a bias: I was born in a Christian home and I believe in life after life

However, in my 200Ls I almost recited the shahada (became a Moslem). It was the Qur'an that led me back to Christ because of some inconsistencies I found.

Initially, my logics before I knew Christ was this:
Only three religions in the world were strictly monotheistic.
Two dealt with the issue of resurrection and reward for deeds on earth.
Judaism and Christianity shared the same God with Christianity.
Mohammed seemed to impose the nature of Jehovah on Allah.
The contradiction between the quran with respect to the Torah and New Testament was significant.
Allah could not be the same as Jehovah

Were these sufficient reasons?

Probably not. But it led me in the right direction.

I rededicated my life to Christ AND I began to grow in the spirit and in the knowledge of Him. I try to please God as my Father

BUT sometimes I fail miserably (I misbehave as a Christian). I stand up from my failure and move on knowing that He loves me in spite of my frailties.

I know Him. I only wish I can love Him more than this.

For those who never heard of Him, (eg Hindus), they will be judged according to their pure conscience. For those who reject Him, they've made their choice.

What a candid, honest and truthful reply I couldn't help but not just liking the post. Well done, more grease to your elbow, with increasing power and grace of the Lord abound in you.

shadeyinka:
I will end my conversation with you on this with this:

If you can answer all the questions you ignored, we can continue.

I knew you will soon take the easiest option get out of jail card route out. You and your trying to weasel out of a tight spot questions. What had your afterthought questions got to do with you saying gods are spirits and then adding that gods are demons, huh?

You have the typical African male mentality that is too big and proud to admit to mistakes that every human beings makes every day of life.

shadeyinka:
It's a shame that only atheists understand your position

Atheists are the least of your worries and concerns, my dear brother and friend. My position is don't tell porkies, don't try and pull wool over readers' eyes. I would pull up an atheist, if it was one that made that boo-boo you made, so be rest assured this isn't about preferential treatment. You do know you would give account and explanation(s) for why you said gods are spirit and then upscaled to calling them demons, right?

Dhumancanvas:
My nigga you gonna have to elaborate.

I've heard the whole 'its in the fulfilment of the prophies' repeatedly

There is nothing to elaborate on, not especially for someone that knows his onions like you are putting out to.

C'mon, share now, tell what the whole you've heard in the fulfilment and/or unfolding fulfilling of the Daniel Prophecy? What are you waiting for?

shadeyinka:

You are not worth the time....

It is a shame that a big heavyweight like you are, find it difficult to own up to a slip of the finger and say sorry, it was a hurried and careless thought of writing to type that gods are spirits, just as God really and truly is. I hope you aren't like this in real life and marital settings.

If you take gods to be spirits and when pulled up, advanced to them being demons, do you accept that human beings are gods or not gods, huh?

Dhumancanvas:
oh really. Please do enlighten. What are these fulfilled prophecies. There are numerous so im expecting a large post detailing some of the more obvious ones I've obviously missed.

Let's do the low hanging and rosy red ripe fruits first, how about what's Daniel's Prophecy, that is more recent, current, on going and something you call relate with

Dhumancanvas:
Its actually funny now that i think about it. This thing you just said. I've heard it so many times. Infact alot of the stuff y'all say sound the same, like a broken record. Its like your pastors all tell y'all the same things. If thats the case i would advise you start thinking for yourselves and stop listening to ordinary men who bleed the same blood as you.

What exact and specifically have you heard so many times. Out of curiosity, I'll like to know what those are. Please feel free to share.

I think for myself more than you've thought for yourself my latest dude dear friend, thank you.

shadeyinka:
I had answered you before on this:

Where in those verses did you discover it saying that demons are gods. You've switched to juxtaposing gods to be demons now, adopting that after your hand was caught in the cookie jar. It is a huge problem for you to admit to made a rash comment with your finger and equally a slip of the tongue and that is because you are above making mistakes, isn't it?

shadeyinka:
What are demons?
Are they Flesh and Blood!?

For you, to dig yourself out of the hole you dropped yourself in, demons are now gods abi? SMH.
Please cut your losses and give all this your "gods are spirits" rigmarole up and a rest, OK?
"Ti ẹ wa lara ẹ, oo ni, oju ti" loosely translated means, "You're incorrigible, a sacred cow and you have no shame about that"

Dhumancanvas:
Mind you my friend mr or mrs @MuttleyLaff (i love that laugh lol) you have not said how bible stroies supposedly even older than 2000 years( as if that helps your case)hold any water today or what foundations they stand on.

Still just statements and claims without any backing

By numerous fulfilled and/or unfolding before our very eyes prophecies, for instance and/or example

Dhumancanvas:
Dude why you trying to misunderstand me. Firstly i don't believe Gods exist. I thought that was obvious.

What i am saying is your belief in a God's existence is something you identify with and that belief being threatened causes a defensive response.

To be clear. No i do not believe human beings are Gods. That is ridiculous

You have just confirmed you are a certified more confused than a chameleon trapped in a box of skittles person. There is God and not Gods, there are of course false gods and there are human beings as gods. Now you wouldnt believe human beings are gods because you dont know why and how why human beings are gods and you dont know when and how human beings became gods newest dear friend dude?

shadeyinka:

The topic is:
You Can't Prove That God Doesn't Exist. Really? -

We all read and know what the topic is, but why would you blantant formulate an opininon, be bent on arguing and say, gods are spirits, same way God really and truly is a Spirit, huh?
Whats so difficult to admit you made a rash statement and boo-boo with that comment, eh? You would have notch up more respect had been you owned up and did

Dhumancanvas:
Yes my friend. People unknowingly identify with their thoughts,opinions and beliefs. So in a very real sense. You are your belief. Your God is a mental creation of you and as you identify with it you are it. The degree to which you identify with it is the degree to which you are it.
No confusion there my friend.
Its the explanation i can come up with as to why people get so defensive when their beliefs are threatened

1/ My newest dear friend, I bet you cant tell why human beings are gods
2/ I bet you cant tell at what or when human beings became gods newest dear friend?

UyiIredia:
ID is different from YEC although they share similarities.

I concur there are similarities ID and YEC share but are you agreeing and accepting that ID is in YEC then?

UyiIredia:
I think evolution (atheistic or not) doesn't tally well with the evidence at hand. Life was created.

If evolution (atheistic or not) doesn't tally well with the evidence at hand and life was created, what then is the important difference in Atheistic Evolution and not Atheistic Evolution, hmm?

shadeyinka:
I wish you changed your method of argument
1. You sound like an atheist: in fact, I didn't know you aren't until a few moments ago.
2. The OP is an atheist and his post was atheistic: it was a very wrong place to iron out theological differences. It is more beneficial to both of us and other believers if you created a new original post or pm the offending individual (it is an abomination for two theists arguing before an atheist). As a rule, I don't even attach a Moslem on an atheist thread: God forbid
3. I am more concerned with Christians of little faith getting derailed on threads like this

Shalom

It's you who all along and up until now, has been arguing with yourself. I havent argued with you, you advanced an opinion, which I countered because it was an opinion and not a fact and truth

You despise it when others tell you otherwise. You believe you are a sacred cow, you believe you are high and mighty and shouldn't be pulled up when you make a boo-boo.

What so difficult to hold hands up huh and admit that it was a rash mistake and wording misuse but oh no, you just have to dig your heels in, merely because you dont want to lose face and due to the chip on your shoulder. You would search for every other flimsy excuse under the sun to justify and exonerate you from the boo-boo. I would have being pleased and gladly taken to being pulled up on, if the shoe was on the other foot and role reversed. Stop hiding behind "theological differences", stand for the truth is all I ask, whether you are atheist, or not atheist, moslem or not moslem, it dont matter to me.

Dhumancanvas:
I don't know why y'all get so mad? What's so sickening about what I've said? I simply tried to articulate my view and i did so as respectfully as i could. Could it be because your God is a creation of you, your god is you and anything seen as a threat to your God or his existence is automatically translated as a threat to you?

Now you are getting confused more than a chameleon dropped into and trapped inside a bag of skittles. We are gods, who happen to be creation(s) of God

Dhumancanvas:
I don't like the concept. I can't argue against it cuz it just seems like a trap and im not going to attempt to. However I feel its way too rigid, once one regards a concept to be an absolute truth theres no room for flexibility. If there is one thing history has taught us it is that we usually don't know absolutely what is true and what is absolutely moral. Not too long ago people were sure the earth was flat and nothing was morally wrong with owning people as slaves, now that's all changed.

I'm more orientated towards relativism but not to the extent that absolutely everything is relative. When it comes to morality for example, homosexuality is a crime here in Nigeria but perfectly fine in some other parts of the world.

Ultimately I'm against rigidity and I feel thats what the concept of absolutes promotes.
On a final note. There is no such thing as athiestic evolution. There is simply evolution. A widely accepted theory which is by far the best explanation we have for life as it exists in all its variety.

CAPSLOCKED:
THANK YOU.

NNAMDIII:
is there God?

UyiIredia:
Nna men you just complimented BS.

Dhumancanvas:
Well. Whats your take on it then?

UyiIredia:
I believe in intelligent design which is different from YEC.

ID, is in YEC and in attendance too, so what again is your take on Atheistic Evolution now then?

shadeyinka:
That's your conclusion after the scriptures I presented?

What scriptures did you present that states that gods are spirits, say way and/or manner, that God truly and really is spirit huh? Good luck, with, keep on trying to dig yourself out of that hole you dug yourself into.

Goshen360:
Make God help us o

May God help people who are used to plus accustomed to glorified "ògèdè and/or ọfọ̀" or bluntly put reciting incantations, that they need to lean on this crutch and sham of "speaking in tongues". The reality is, they do this, because they are looking for a fast track, cutting corners, and taking a short route, lazy means to accessing the throne of grace.

UyiIredia:
Since you are tackling the Christian understanding of God I strongly disagree with I cannot complain. But then God isn't material same for the mind which is one evidence for God existing.

Akin1212:
How can a non material being which by the way has no proof of existence bring forth material things? Do you have any hypothetical and plausible mechanism? Even if you don't, at least show a proof for the existence of this being.

You cannot make a comparison wth the mind. Firstly, the mind is not a spiritual concept. Secondly, the mind is not a being. Thirdly, the mind does not have an army of angels, a kingdom and a rival. You have simple introduced a straw man and it is not welcomed. There is no correlation between the mind and God that warrants comparison of any sort.

The mind is an abstract term for the connection of thoughts.

"...Pay attention to what you're listening to!
[Knowledge] will be measured out to you by the measure [of attention] you give.
This is the way knowledge increases"
- Mark 4:24

What is man?
Man is a spirit being, residing or housed in a Body and possessing a Soul
Man is made up of Body, Soul (i.e. uses the heart as an outlet) and Spirit.
The Soul has the body and spirit on each opposite sides of it

Mind you, the Soul is the most important existence of Man and that is why the battle is and always has been about and/or over the Soul. All attack is ultimately targeted at the Soul

The Body has 5 faculties of senses, which are, to see via the eyes, hear via the ears, feel via applicable part of the body, smell via the nose and taste via the mouth
The Soul has faculties that comprises of the Mind (i.e. conscious and sub conscious) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions
The Spirit has faculties that comprises of Fellowship, Conscience, Discernment or Intuition

Now, the Soul is the first medium key component of Man created by God
and Man is tickled, accessed and brought to existence and life through this Soul by way of the body and spirit, where the Soul, in effective, is the mediator between the body and spirit. Further information than this will amount to information overload

Akin1212:
Are you saying God cannot be proved to exist?

God cannot be proven to exist based on your laid down self conceited terms

Akin1212:
How hard could it be to tell me how the god who walked the earth came to the earth? Could it be that you are deliberately stalling because you don't know how to put down your next lies? All the things your blabbing about have nothing to do with my questions.

Was it a grand opening with chariots of fire or what?

You can continue to ask this question 99 times more, I'll keep on answering you with and you thinking you're being smart will still be none the wiser, but the moment you stop thinking and swim in slience, them bam, boom, the truth and reality of what I've been telling, it hits you

Why dont you, look on Dhumancanvas' page, Dhumancanvas seems to be having and/or showing knowledge of the subject more than you do.

Dhumancanvas:
He touched down and remained in the middle east, while the rest of the world still carried on with their usual activities. This was the best way the almighty creator of the 100s of billions of galaxies could make himself known to one small planet?

What water do they hold? what ground or foundation do they stand upon?

What's wrong with that?
And hey, am I, all along being detecting some increasingly semblance of anti-semitism in your posts, huh?

Dhumancanvas:
The scribbles of far less knowledgeable men from 2 thousand years ago. Put together by the church (in who's interest it is to promote the belief) whose sources cannot be verified.

Not quite right, it actually goes beyond and/or more than 2 thousand years ago and yep, the "church" discerned the biblical canon.

Akin1212:
Shut up on this if you know you know. Only that you don't know zilch about what you talk about.

How did God who walked the earth for 33 years came on earth, did he just appeared or he came with a chariot of fire?

I know what I bring to the table, so trust me when/if I say, I am not afraid to eat alone
Now, if you know, you know how God who walked the earth for 33 years came on earth. If not then, who no know, somebody like you, no go know these things

I can understand people being aversed of the dark, but the pitiful tragedy is about those like you, who are aversed of the light