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onlyinJESUS:
A whole lot

Oh yeah

onlyinJESUS:
1) he's blind to the fact that Adam was his representative. When Adam sinned, he sinned with Adam. i.e All men have sinned. Infants themselves die because they sinned in Adam. Death is the wages of sin. Anyone who isn't a sinner (Actual or imputed) can't die.
Jesus died because the sins of his people were imputed on him.

And are you included in those blind to this truth?

onlyinJESUS:
2) man is blind to his total depravity. He doesn't know that Romans 3:10-18 talks about him, yes as God sees him

Are you again included in those blind to this truth?

onlyinJESUS:
I understand why you think I'm skipping topics. And that's because you can't see the relationship between the points.
Everything i post on a particular topic is connected one to the other.

I dont mind you you skipping topics but at least, have the courtesy decency and discipline to finish perfectly well, one topic you've started, before jumping on to two, three and four further up ahead and down the line

onlyinJESUS:
Yes, he has NO RESIDUAL good.

Are you sure about this dear friend?
I know you're getting to know I will grill you, like asking you now that, if no residual good, then:
1/ Why was Enoch able to walk with God, dear friend onlyinJESUS?
2/ For what reason was Job said to be a righteous man and by de facto, in Job 1:3, said to be greatest of all the sons from the East, as in, he was greater than any of the sons of the east, dear friend onlyinJESUS?
3/ What reason was Noah a just man and perfect in his generations for and also walked with God, dear friend onlyinJESUS?
4/ Why was Abraham credited with righteousness, dear friend onlyinJESUS, huh?

onlyinJESUS:
It's either one is perfectly good or he isn't.

Hey, no so fast Jose, we weren't talking about perfectly good here, to start with. What's your game, what are you playing at, huh?

onlyinJESUS:
The state of being good doesn't admit of degrees (before God's law)

I am not following you, so how do you mean with this comment, huh, onlyinJESUS dear friend?

femi4:
lol

You really are in dire need of lol

femi4:
I know your type
1. Quoting scriptures out of context

2. Not having at least 2-3 scriptures to back your claims

Well, let me leave you with prov 12:1

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid.

You dont know Jack Squiddly Diddly Schit because if you did, you would have simply just answer the question, instead of still prevaricating Mr olodo upon twenty

Simple bible 101 question, and the man's developed fright and cold feet over:
"What was the comment made by Nicodemus, his question and reason for the clandestine meeting in the dead of the night or wee hours of the morning, he had with Jesus?"

onlyinJESUS:
Sure it does.

We'll see

onlyinJESUS:
man, has freewill to act against his nature, surely you aren't saying that. It's both unscriptural and illogical.

Naija has a colloiqual that says that, "when pesin dey cry, hin no mean say pesin no dey still see road ooo". My dear new friend, everything is the grace and mercy of God. Tell me, answer me, are you not redeemed from your old nature?

onlyinJESUS:
Scriptures talk about men being slaves of sins.

All men have to be a slave of something or someone. This is an inescapable fact.

onlyinJESUS:
What I believe (in accordance with the teaching of scriptures) is that man is DEAD IN SINS and trespasses, his eyes are blind to the truth, he doesn't understand God's words.

What truth specifically, is man blind to please?

onlyinJESUS:
He knows how to do evil, but real good, he cannot do.

He's a slave to sin....
He's not some free neither good nor bad person.
He lost his purity when Adam fell and he's now unable to do good but very capable of all evil

My dear friend, you're all over place, skipping and hopping on to one subject of unrelated interest like "slave of sin" to another remote subject of unrelated interest or connection like "unable to do good". The freewill is unfinished business and you're jumping and/or dancing excitedly around to other remote subjects. You still are putting the cart before the horse

Now you've gone making it sound as if man after the fall had no residual good in them enough to do any ounce of good. If you must know, man knows how to do evil because evil comes from the abuse and misuse of freewill

femi4:
You lack proper understanding of the scriptures just like Nicodemus. Custodian of the law yet teach amiss
IN verse 10 of John Chapter 3, Jesus told him:
You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?

Stop prevaricating and simply just answer the question please. Cant believe he is still be putting the cart before the horse, SMH.

Here is the question repeated here below:
"What was the comment made by Nicodemus, his question and reason for the clandestine meeting in the dead of the night or wee hours of the morning, he had with Jesus?"

onlyinJESUS:
Let's sort things out, but before we can do that, we have to take things one after another.

Of course now, I like it when people are ready and willing to stop putting the cart before the horse. It makes life and everything else become sweet, simple and easy, doesnt it?

onlyinJESUS:
First, do you agree with me that the only freedom man has, is to act according to the dictates of his nature?

Man has freewill period. Whether to the dictates of his or her nature, freewill is freewill and the person has the freedom to exercise or not exercise it.

onlyinJESUS:
Therefore, even if we are to employ the word "free will" in this ensuing discussion, it must that man has a freedom to act only according to his nature.. Thanks

It seems and I am strongly suspecting, you're one of those in denial of believing that people can behave and/or act out of character. Am I right or wrong about you on that?

shadeyinka:
I wonder for you o!

We speak the same thing na!
I just tried to break it down to the level of
"A" for Apple
"B" for Ball
Before saying that "A" could also be for Ant, Antelope, Asteroid, Account etc.

I agree with the fact that man is a trinity: but that is advanced level for a person who asked "what is this born again?"

OK I am sorry, it was just the way and manner you brought in "born as an "animal man" (Child of Adam)", you just about complicated the whole thing with that kind expression that doesnt really at all at this point correlate. People will dig their heels in at such gaffes. I think you tried too hard to simplify to him what born again means.

Out of curiosity, and maybe, if you are able to convincingly explain it, how did this "born as an "animal man" (Child of Adam)" notion come about please?

sanpipita:
Christian just use the born again fade to deceive themselves, which one be born again, through wat means?

shadeyinka:
Through the Spirit means!
Being born again in simple terms is that,
You were born as an "animal man" (Child of Adam)
NOW,
You are Born as a "Spirit man" (Child of God)

shadeyinka, you don start again, which one again is "born as an "animal man" (Child of Adam)" huh?

sanpipita, dont mind shadeyinka ojaare, dont swallow that "You are Born as a "Spirit man" (Child of God)" line. Of course, man, spiritually died and after that, physical death ensued
So in fact, "born again" simply and literally means "born from above", it means, spiritually, one is born anew, because the "spirit man" is revived and/or rekindled and one becomes to see, recognise, acknowledge, confirm and admit good things about or of the demonstration of the power of the kingdom. Remember sanpipita, that man, fundamentally, is Body, Soul and spirit

femi4:
Most of the Pharisees weren't saved. Jesus made it clear that they were hypocrite who happened to be in custody of mosaics law but failed to practice them.

You can't separate being born again from Salvation. Nicodemus knew that something was wrong with him as the teachers of the law.

The scribes were also critisized by John the Baptist. So, most of them weren't saved

My brother and new friend, please stop and dont be putting the cart before the horse now. Now please answer this simple and straightforward question, what was the comment made by Nicodemus his question and reason for the clandestine meeting in the dead of the night or wee hours of the morning, he had with Jesus?

onlyinJESUS:
I don't believe in that *goddess* by the name of FREEWILL.
there's no such thing as free will.
Before anyone who claims to be a Christian come swallow me, let's define the popular notion called FREE WILL

In religious circles esp Christianity (false version)
Free Will is the inherent or innate ability to chose between good and evil. So basically, when a SUPPOSED CHRISTIAN (like that lady) talks about Free will, she's talking about an ability to chose between good and evil.

Now, does that notion of free will exists? Definitely not, man is not free to choose between good and evil, fallen man is actually a slave yes, a slave of his own will. He can chose between this or that evil, but he can never do good, yea he can never do an acceptable GOOD in God's holy law.

In summary, man has no free will, he is a slave of sin yea the very slave and tool of the devil

What onlyinJESUS, came first the obedience command or the knowing evil and good desire?

Now make no mistake, my dear friend and brother onlyinJESUS, freewill came even before obedience and knowing good and evil and free will before it was abused and/or misused originally was given to decide whether to obey or not obey God's expressed command not to eat off the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Man is free and can choose between good and evil but the choice on itself is not good enough to save him. It is a good choice and start to make, to believe, in the existence of an Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful Omnipotent, Absolute Authority, and Influence Self-Existing Superior being.

advocate666:
What? You don't like the verse I quoted?

What verse did you quote? Where and when did you quote your imaginary verse huh? You guys are very much still in the lying business I guess and see. Reproduce the verse here, I am quite sure, the verse you hope to quote, is definitely one of those moments of you reading the bible and turning its meaning upside down and out of turns

advocate666:
It is hard to argue with you guys

You are free to argue to your heart's delight, no one has yet stopped you on this thread to argue, to argue with your self and continue to show up yourself

advocate666:
The bible is the word of God except when it calls God evil, then it becomes the word of the author of that particular verse.

I very much want and desperately need you, to show where the Bible, calls God evil because unless you are more confused than a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles, I know you, wouldnt ordinarily make such a flippant comment like that.

advocate666:
Christians sef.

Yep I know that exasperated expression and that's why I empathise with you.
Surely, if only more christians, properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians, isnt it?

advocate666:
As a Satanist, the last thing I have is a moral high horse.

You are what you are and I dont hold what you are against you. I dont take it personal with you what you are, but I wont hesistate to squash and/or crush you under my feet, the moment you trespass on me and all that I hold dearly to.

advocate666:
I understand your point that God's act are justified because in your theist view he is doing that which is just by passing judgement on the wicked even if that judgement is something we abhor.

Respect to you. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

advocate666:
My point is that evil is still evil even when it is God that does it. Immoral acts don't suddenly become moral because they are justified.

God is an exception to this rule of yours.

advocate666:
If someone is shooting at me and I shoot back and kill him. I am justified even though my killing him is evil.

I dont know where you currently live so I am sorry to be the one telling you that in saner societies, your will be deemed brutality, as in, an excessive force and an unjustified use of force for that matter too

PS, you corrected shouting to shooting, but still, if you are not a licensed gun holder, you can still, at the least, be made culpable for your retaliatory though defensive action. Remember you dont necessarily aim to kill, but rather you aim to demobilise or disarm and then get yourself out of harm in to safety

advocate666:
The bible makes many references to this by not only calling God evil but also condemning some of God's acts as evil.

Here is an example:

Ecclesiastes 6:2

2 God gives some people wealth, possessions and honor, so that they lack nothing their hearts desire, but God does not grant them the ability to enjoy them, and strangers enjoy them instead. This is meaningless, a grievous evil.

You and I know that the devil and you, quoting bible understandably well, isnt any of your strong points, so why not leave quoting bible alone and just stick to what you are good and best at doing, huh?

The person you are quoting from in Ecclesiattes 6:2, made that comment coming from a human being's perspective and one who was subjective, so what's new. Besides, the better rendition of that word is, tragedy, disagreeable, displeasure and/or calamity

advocate666:
You see, even justified acts of God can still be evil.

When goodness is withdrawn, evil emanates from there, I am sure you know that much. Satan, your head honcho, itself knows this, first hand.

Maxi3k:
I have been born again like 40 times thanks to those Evangelist who will always ask for 5 mins of your time and end up taking 50mins asking me do I know Jesus love me

Toks2008:
Lol! You only need to be born again once.

"Beyond that, much that we believe is believed because we trust the person who told us about them. I've never seen America but I believe it exists. All the evidence I have is in books, TV and pictures. To accept this evidence, I have to trust the people who make them. "
- by Ihedinobi3: 12:51pm On Feb 03
https://www.nairaland.com/5020369/god-shoes/3#76308092

advocate666:
A justified evil act is still not a moral act.
And a moral god practicing guilt by association? Nothing you theists wont justify.

When are you going to climb down from your moral high horse huh?
And what else again now are you bleating about?
Do you know what happened to them after the judgement? No, I didnt think so
Was it right for the Egyptians, after 430 years plus, to continue to condemn the Israelites to slavery and perpetually oppress, abuse and mistreat them?
Is that morally right, huh?

advocate666:
You are just making my point. No matter what you call it or how you twist it, murdering innocent african babies for whaterver reason is evil.

You are not making any point at all, what you are doing is failing to see the point that Pharaoh knows that that when two elephants fight, it is the grass that is at the receiving end, he ought to have learned not use small hands to get and have bigger hands smack in the face. If Pharaoh had conceded, none of this would have happened. It is because of Pharaoh's hardened heart that judgement visited the first borns of the land who happened to have not had blood displayed on their house's door lintel

I am sure you're familiar and fully understand the meaning and implication of the phrase "guilty by association"?

advocate666:
Only the theists can justify an evil act like that and still claim moral superiority.

It takes god to turn good people into evil.

You fail to realise that what you've mistaken to be an evil act actually and in the real sense is judgement. No one is claiming moral superiority and sitting on a moral high horse here better than you and your philosophical others lot, like johnydon22 etcetera

advocate666:
It takes god to turn good people into evil.

As I've earlier on this thread said, it takes becoming a god to knowing good and evil.
Evil, afterall, comes from the abuse and/or misuse of free will.

advocate666:
Yes I know.

My point is that God killed innocent african babies for whatever reasons.

I fail to see the morality in that.

C'mon now, you know and I know, it is God's prerogative to do what He for whatever reason(s) does.

The morality in it, is that watch your words because it might turn round to come bite you in the arse and dont throw stones if you leave in a glasshouse

advocate666:
Exodus 11:4-5

⁴So Moses said, “This is what the Lord says: ‘About midnight I will go throughout Egypt.
⁵Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the female slave, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well.

Slow clapping applause.
I cant believe you've allowed yourself to be tricked into believing something that is not just so untrue but also believing something you didnt really in the first place at all understand. If the devil sure gets the bible upside down and the other way round, then it's junior most commissioned officers can be forgiven when they do same too

This is a self inflicted judgement, brought upon the Egyptians who for 430 years plus have condemned the Israelites to slavery, oppressed, abused and mistreated them when their king, Pharaoh, told Moses to the face:
"Depart from me and make sure you never see my face again, for on the day you see my face, you will die."

Pharaoh, at these menacing words at Moses, virtually signed the death warrant for all the first borns in the land of Egypt, whether humans or animals. The die was cast, Pharaoh sealed the first borns' fate and set things motion in the spiritual realm with those threatening words at Moses.

johnydon22:
LOL anyone intellectually honest or with a good grasp of philosophy would understand the theological argument of morality and why it is quite superior.

You don't need to be a theist to realise a good argument when you see one.


LOL. You play too much.

Morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

Anything else? The definition of morality furthers our argument even more.

The issue of morality, as you've succintly put it it to be principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour, wouldnt have been a subject of discourse if not because the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil was eaten off. The serpent was quarter right when it said that eating of the tree will open the eyes of the eater, make the eater become god and knowing good and evil.

advocate666:
says the one that runs to the bible when cornered but ends up butressing my point.

vaxx:
pls enough . i only answer what you request for.and if that by any way buttress your point. then it shows you are not aware of your initial argument.

advocate666:
OK. Let's go to bible then. Where is the morality in God killing African babies?

vaxx:
Then ask a bible theologians. they are lot of them here. i am not a christain, so don't rope me with what i am less concern.

Using a "get out of jail" card and what in the trade is called executing the weasel out of popular contingency clause.

vaxx:
Then ask a bible theologians. they are lot of them here. i am not a christain, so don't rope me with what i am less concern.

advocate666:
No problem,
I get where you are coming from just as johnydon22. It is a convincing argument that theists made on morality and it has conviced a lot of people including you two.

Until you ask people to actually define this "morality".

Then you get gymnastics.

Yeah, let's go there. Where and what is the so called African babies God allegedly killing all about?

FruitCakes:
lol I have no idea what is bacadi

What's the matter with barcadi?
Dont tell me you dont eat food with alcohol in it at all ooo, or is it you dont and/or never really do eat food with alcohil in it ni?

twosquare:
Nice write-up. Christians have a responsibility to ensure in this nation. First,they need to start practicing what they believe in and stop behaving like unbelievers and the ungodly.

2blessed01:
Nice Write Up Bro...Worthy Of Commendable!

kay29000:
Cool write up.

I concur with yall without demur. The OP's head is there

FruitCakes:
lol no. I'm not in a good enough mood to argue ni

Go, shawty, you're not in a good enough mood to argue because it was sherbarf day yesterday and we were sipping barcadi cos it's sherbarf day

FruitCakes:
no one is afraid

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Happy Birthday FruitCakes!

Vic2Ree:
Cc. budaatum, MuttleyLaff, Vaxx, JujuSugar, Ranchhoddas

Vic2Ree, I dont lose, I let other people win, so I guess you see that winning and losing does not have any meaning to me now. Note that, as case in point, some people win by losing and some lose by winning, and so never be afraid to lose, because there's the chance, you learn more from losing than winning, as losing forces or can lead one to re-examine things. Just know losing is allowed, only just dont lose your faith, conviction confidence and fire.

victorian:
Smiles ...

Hmmm! Send me a pm .


And to the question, have been saved miraculously from death several times. And to me , I find it strange and I feel God is the one who some how , some way has been keeping me alive till date . My being alive today is a huge miracle .
I'm amazed about it . Even though have experienced things that have killed people in a past, but am still alive . hale and hearty .
I'm humbled and surprised .

110% exactly the same thing(s) and more with me too.

#IfYouKnowYouKnow things
If you know, you know. Who no know, like GreatResearcher, CAPSLOCKED and others, no go know

jcross19:
the issue we Christian are having we don't believe there are mistakes in the bible . see there are a lots of human errors there. God can't regret that language is an human error.

I am pleased you admit there are misunderstanding and misinterpretation translation mistakes in the bible. I am further pleased that you also admit and acknowledge that there are lots of human errors in it, that is in the translation versions. The thing is all scripture is God inspired but same cant be said for all bible translations. Case in point, the word, "angel(s)" otherwise and also known as "angelous" or "malaika" is not a denotation used exclusively for only celestial beings but interestingly enough it is a designation used for human beings too

I have already and previously explained that the word regret is a poor rendition of the original word "nacham" used, and that grieve is a more close and appropriate translation of the original "nacham" word. Let's give this a little perspective, shall we?. How would you feel, if you're about to destroy a very much cherished handiwork of yours that you had sweated, laboured, tender loved and cared over? You will be gutted, your heart crushed and shatterred, right? Well, if you, as a human being, made in the image and likeness of God, can feel such intense emotive, imagine the scale and level God can too, when come face to face with decision of what He needed to do, at that point in time, about man.

jcross19:
ah but that's clear to you! Jesus said angel don't marry he is right because that's the order from God but disobeyed ones messed up.

C'mon now jcross19, get the facts right, "disobeyed ones messed up" is incongruous, besides, celestial beings are genderless. Also, be advised that the angels didnt at all eat nor drink, but rather appeared to eat and drink. The thing is food has no beneficial purpose for celestial beings, who appear on scenes, to look like mortal human beings, when on earth, in official capacities, as in, when doing errands and/or when performing duties for God. Make no mistake, angels do not marry, whether in Heaven or on earth and have no reason to actually or in reality, eat and drink, other than to play to the gallery.

jcross19:
Now those angels came to Abraham didn't they eat food and drink too in what stomach?

jcross19 ah, dont you remember that Jesus walked into a room through a locked or closed door

GreatResearcher:
Muttleylaff pls giveup. U are losing. Don't be NL Atiku pls..

GreatResearcher, I dont lose, I let other people win, so I guess you see that winning and losing does not have any meaning to me now. Note that, as case in point, some people win by losing and some lose by winning, and never be afraid to lose, because there's the chance, you learn more from losing than winning, as losing forces or can lead one to re-examine things. Losing is allowed, only just dont lose your faith, conviction confidence and fire.

GreatResearcher:
when u read a bible for a better understanding dont just read one version. Read up to 5 versions.

Some versions say 'and it repented' the lord that he created man. Some say 'and god regretted' that he made man.

The same bible that says 'and it repented god that he created man' also says 'god is not a man that he should lie nor a son of man that he should repent'.

Yes, and that is why it is said that Context is King

jcross19:
Start reading from verse 6 verse 1 to7-Genesis 6:1-7 King James Version (KJV)
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
King James Version (KJV) now who are the Sons of God?

I dont know what you want me to read in the above but you are free to read out what the Bible never says, if that is what you want to do

GreatResearcher:
Muttleylaff

GreatResearcher

GreatResearcher:
This is where an all perfect god regretted.

The word regret is a poor rendition of the original word used, grieve is a more close and appropriate translation of the original word

jcross19:
then it mean that genesis 6 verse 7 is not true.

And God said, I will blot out man whom I have made from the face of the earth, even man with cattle, and reptiles with flying creatures of the sky, for I am grieved that I have made them
- Genesis 6:7

What is not true, in Genesis 6:7 above please?

jcross19:
bible called them falling angels they can do anything .

Bible called what falling angels?
Where did you read the Bible called what fallen angels and that they can do anything? Please share that interesting Bible verse for all to read.