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Horiolah:
Lol..

What do you think about the story? Real or fake

Sorry, think of what story? Or are you just trying to take the piss

TV01:
Why would anyone shy away from this question?

For once, someone baring his chutzpah made of steel. I hope you don't wince in pains by the time we are done on this interesting subject

Now please tell what the evil is, because you haven't at all answered my question before going on with your hump.

TV01:
Shrouded in "worldly" wisdom, logic – and jargon - as it is, it presents no real challenge and is easily rebutted on its own terms, let alone biblically.

Simply Bible and Spirit wisdom and logic bereft of ignorance and ill-informed jargons

TV01:
Why is there a need to qualify such a relationship so heavily? Almost as if to deflect from the intrinsic nature of a "same-sex" relationship, and focus on feelings, intent and motivation. That alone raises a number of questions

Well, it is to defensively block any space and all rooms for people like you to want to manoeuvre in

TV01:
1. How do you independently confirm, in addition to and, apart from testimony from, both parties, that, that is the exact nature of the "relationship"

By their fruit and entire context of how the question is asked

TV01:
2. Are SS or any relationships that fall short of your criteria above not moral or sanctified?

The entire criteria is relevant and applicable to heterosexual relationships too but those arent part of the discussion, SS is.

TV01:
3. How do you define and determine harm to another? And why just “to another”? what about the bigger societal picture on what leads to a flourishing society

" to another" encompasses and includes the bigger societal picture or wider community or society at large. It defines and determines what a neighbour is

TV01:
And, to answer your question SS relationships are an abomination in the sight of God and being perverse by their very nature cannot by any means be made “moral” or otherwise sanctified from a Christian perspective.

Are you 110% sure of this?
Do you have biblical backing of this ill-informed opinion you are trying to advance?
Are you ready and prepared to see to the end the fallacy of how you're erroneously interpreting, reading and understanding the two famous and well known verses I know you are about to wave around

TV01:
There are a number of places in the bible - and both testaments - where it is clear that sexual relations between 2 people of the same (and not just for ritual purposes) is considered an abominable act. But let me ask you this

1/ Why is it an abominable act then?
2/ To whom, specifically, is it an abomination?

TV01:
1. Are SS attraction and SS relationships, part of Gods original creational intent?

There are quite a lot of things that aren't part of God's original plan. Case in point, human being body with two heads, human beings with more than one type of genetilia etcetera. We live in an imperfect world, you seem to forget

TV01:
2. If you respond yes to #1, could you advise what Gods intent for their unions would be

Live life, accept what you are and exactly be all what is mentioned in the question

TV01:
3. If you respond no to #1, kindly explain when such attraction and relationship appeared

After the ground got cursed, abnormalities and whatnot soon reared their heads because the Pandora box was opened

TV01:
I know you won’t shy away

You know me, I am in love already and loving this

TV01:
Cheers
TV

Bottoms up. Let's do this often and so put the devil and liars to shame

[quote author= post=76575828]Who says there is nothing new under the sun?![/quote]How old do think Mary is speculated to be when she had God, huh? Guess.

Jaynom:
I don Taya to dey reply the guy

Jaynom leave both of these two. I have their numbers and I have time for both of them.

solite3:
anyone that doesn't agree to your warped way is bigotted?

Don't try to twist the bible to cover up your antichristian and anti God stance.

God created Adam and Eve as a model for sexual relationship not the satanic concept of homosexual Abomination.

Of course, yes, especially someone like you who should know better than to regard and/or treat these members of the human race with hatred and intolerance.

If I should ask you to tell clearly and distinctly, and without prevaricating, say what evil is there, in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour, I bet you will shy and avoid reply to the question, huh?

You'll go underground and AWOL, if I am to ask you to tell me where in the bible homosexual is abomination, where and when homosexual is a word that is barely 200 years old. I am tired of all you guys who dont properly read the bible, dont rightly divide the word and accurately handle the word of truth.

Horiolah:
Who created Hercules?

This is like asking me who created Orunmila or who created Amadioha, when and after I have already said, Hercules is a demigod of Greek and Roman mythology origins

Philinho:
We are talking about prayer here..speaking
in tongues starrted from Acts 2:4. as i said n it is important in addition to hope, faith n love.
read if you are born again ask the holy spirit to help you speak in new tongue.it helps. If you dnt want so be it.
thankss

There is a popular saying in the western part of Nigeria, that goes like this:
"Bi o ba nidi, obinrin kii nje Kumolu" loosely translated means "There is no smoke without fire"

So, there was a reason for the believers, to, on pentecost, miracuously speak in tongues and it is the same repeated reason, for the only two other miracle ocassions of speaking in tongues in the bible. The reason even stands today

Philinho:
New tongue came in Act2:4 said n it is a heavenly language which no one understand according to 1Corinthians 14;2.
If you are filled the holy ghost,you speak in tongue.read Act 2:6
Also see Mark 16;17
Read your bible for more understanding
thanks.

Where in 1 Corinthians 14:2 did you see and read that tongue is a heavenly language which no one understand, huh?. You guys are just so fond of mixing your own interpretations and ideas with the teachings of the Bible and saying things the bible doesnt itself say, hmm?

Philinho:
it is not a criteria etc..but it helps in building up your spiritual life. Read Act 2:4,6. 1 corith.14:2, Mark 16:17
Thanks

All you did with those verses, is proof texting, for the sheer sake of advancing and introducing your presuppositions, agendas, and/or biases, so why not let's make this simple with this below, hmm?
So, in one sentence Philinho, please tell what is the purpose of the gift of speaking in tongue, and then back it up with scripture. Do this and I promise to reciprocate similar.

jcross19:
like i have said i have nothing to argue with you continue walloping in your stupidity.
.... bible says if I want to boast I should boast in God and am doing it, am telling you capabilities of the power of God, you said I can't do it and I told you how I can do it then you term it bragging well okay. go for deliverance because you are possess with fooling demons If care is not taking you will become irredeemable. you need help brother. God bless you. you need witness the manifestation of the power of God. God and make research about story of Ayo babalola of CAC or baba akande of ede. in fact you lack holy spirit.

You this Mr Mind Reader man, will you stop repeating and saying things I first, called and referred you to as, and trying to make it look as if it is you saying it, hmm?

Like, I said before, you already have 99 problems and are still confirming with this Ayo babalola of CAC or baba Akande of Ede comment that, low self esteem, inferiority complex and a sense of insecurity, are part of the 99 problems you have

My dear brother, listen, there is no need for you, to tell me anything, no need to brag or boast of the capabilities of the power of God and/or what you can do to me. God and great men are known and need no introductions. jcross19, you obviously arent familiar with Proverbs 27:2, that states: "Let someone else praise you, not your own mouth--a stranger, not your own lips" and dont realise that good men or women, dont have boast about how good they are, dont boast about what their value is, dont brag about ESP and/or their mind reading skill or pretending and so trying to convince others to believe, they have certain form of godliness, when in actual fact, lack the power thereof. You have proven that you are nothing more, than a star-struck wannabe, that you are, so please go sit down elsewhere quietly and lets hear word jor, if unable to reply, as I reiterate, and again, put it to you, that, in one sentence, please tell what is the purpose of the gift of speaking in tongue, and then back it up with scripture. Do this and I promise to reciprocate similar.

Hermes019:
God came out of a woman's vagina,and sucked a woman's breast

"¹Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold,
but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
²But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep."
- John 10:1-2

Nothing funny, causing shame or disgrace in that. It was necessary, appropriate, respecting convention and His word.

Horiolah:
Hercules comes to mind.

Hercules is a demigod of Greek and Roman mythology origins

I admire the sheer honesty and truthfulness of the man. No devil set up as a fall guy excuse. If he had inwardly searched properly, he would have found out to put it down, as one of those momentary lapse of negative madness

jcross19:
very simple! all I need to do is to ask God tell me what's the mind of this people simple as that. am still laughing your ignorance.

See, with comments like this, it confirms, you are deranged, and that, you've gone cuckoo. Slow clap for youself, because that's the way to abuse and misuse the manifestation gifts of the Holy Spirit, right, isnt it?

jcross19:
you and who is talking about the of speaking in tongue?

What is your beef in all or whatever I've posted then, huh?
Whilst replying to that, reiterating, in one sentence, please tell what is the purpose of the gift of speaking in tongue, and then back it up with scripture. Do this and I will reciprocate

jcross19:
if you want to argue please do that with the op okay. like I have said you lack holy spirit. ask for it He will give you that nonsense you are posting can't help you. you are showing your foolishness to the viewers of the thread. I stand upon the power of God and I can do anything. hearing your thought is very simple what about walking on the sea like my Jesus. Jesus says if believe Him I will do more than what He did.

I am literally almost laughing my head off here. You are not just a comedian but you seemingly are a clown too. Look at you and listen to yourself. You are, all mouth and no trousers. You are pitiful. Bragging and pretending to have the appearance of godliness but it's all nothing but than just sheer contrivance. You are an overfed and overdeveloped egotistical person who has the ability to make another appear bad for your own inadequacies, misunderstanding and misinterpretation of scripture

jcross19:
nada

Cat got your tongue or are you tongue tied because all you posted is quoting me and an empty comment by you

jcross19:
what's the work of holy spirit? spirit of God is talking and you are talking poo.

Keep your language in decorum please and stay within the subject
Now, reiterating, in one sentence, please tell what is the purpose of the gift of speaking in tongue, and then back it up with scripture. Do this and I will reciprocate

jcross19:
speaking in tongue is not a criteria of born again or ticket to heaven is just gift of utterance like other gifts every one of us won't have the same gift.

In one sentence, please tell what is the purpose of the gift of speaking in tongue, and then back it up with scripture. Do this and I will reciprocate

jcross19:
I can see you have nothing to offer all you do is to post trash thinking you are making sense but you are not. I have given you a bible quotations to back my facts in accordance with your own quotation nailing your ignorance on the cross of shame .you lack bible knowledge.

Ignorance is a voluntary misfortune and its a shame, you are living in a fool's paradise because of it. All for the sake, of the need to perpetuate and carry on with your self-deception and mistaken impression of the gift of speaking in tongues. SMH.
What bible quotations did you give, and to what imaginary facts, huh?

jcross19:
I laugh you, all these epistle you put up there prove how empty you are, I mean empty. now listen Philippians 4vs 13 says: I can do ALL things through him who strengthen me. you said is only God that can hear people's mind right if you truly believe that words then what's ,1 john 4vs4 says,
you little children you are from God and have overcome them because who is in YOU is greater who is in the world. if Jesus who can hear your thought is in me why won't I be able to the do same? go and sleep you quote bible without sense and holy spirit. you think typing vocabulary makes you wise? in fact you are empty barren even God can make you vanish

I literally laughed out loud because I remembered, it's me, who first, said and called you, an empty wagon making a lot of noise, and that you are also a confirmed and shameless blasphemer.

Also remember I said:
"Nwanne jcross19, there is only one person, who knows our thoughts and knows what we are thinking in our hearts or mind. That, one and only person is God, not and never is you."

Isnt it amazing that, truth is bitter in the beginning, and sweet in the end, and that lies, like yours, are sweet in the beginning, but bitter in the end. You have got educated a bit on this thread. For you, the root of the education is bitter but you dont seem and/or want to know, is that the fruit is sweet

jcross19:
go and check life story of ayo babalola of CAC then come back behave normal, how he used to speak with trees go and sit down.nonsense.

You already have 99 problems and you've just confirmed with this comment that low self esteem, inferiority complex and sense of insecurity are part of them

jcross19:
that's a lie sir!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvTVqWhssoM

What is a lie sir? Are you saying the devil doesnt understand every possible language, which is what tongues is, uttered by human beings, huh?. Are you trying to say the devil doesnt speak any language sir, huh? Is that it, sir, huh?
OK then, how many languages did you hear, that devil spoke there in the video clip you just watched above, huh? Dont answer the question, as I will help you along and tell you the answer(s)

The devil spoke in English language, when it said:"We are the ones who dwell within" & "and I am Lucifer, the devil in the flesh"
The devil spoke in Hebrew language, when it said: "I am the one who dwelt within CAIN!"
The devil spoke in Latin language, when it said: "I am the one who dwelt within NERO!"
The devil spoke in Greek language, when it said: "I once dwelt within JUDAS!"
The devil spoke in German Language, when it said:"I was with Legion."
The devil, in the same clip, spoke also in Assyrian Neo-Aramaic language, when it said: "I am Belial"

Now, I dont have to be the one to tell you that, the devil would have spoken in Aramaic language when he spoke directly to Jesus in the desert

jcross19:
I can tell you what you are saying within your mind when am in spirit...

"You know when I sit down and when I stand up; You understand my thoughts from far away."
- Psalm 139:2

"Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, "Why are you thinking these things?"
- Mark 2:8

"And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, "Why are you thinking evil in your hearts?"
- Matthew 9:4

For you to make this comment, I can tell you are not just only an empty wagon making a lot of noise, but you are also a confirmed and shameless blasphemer. Nwanne jcross19, there is only one person, who knows our thoughts and knows what we are thinking in our hearts or mind. That, one and only person is God, not and never is you.

jcross19:
... even when am far from you I can still ear you louder in my ear because is my gift all these are happening whenever am in the realm of prophecy.

"⁷Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
⁸To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by the same Spirit,
⁹to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
¹⁰to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in various tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
¹¹All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, who apportions them to each one as He determines."
- 1 Corinthians 12:7-11

Where you learned that the gift of prophecy, that is for the common good, is for hearing louder in your ear and reading other people's mind is worrisome

jcross19:
now listen sir when you pray devil don't need to hear you but he knows the route of the prayers, they will wage war against the route of the prayer. the strength of prayer is the faith behind it and force of prayer depend how powerful you are at the point of that prayer.

You dont cease to amaze me, with how you somersault, butcher and misunderstanding biblical narrative(s) and going by what you've typed here, I seriously doubt, you understand the Prince of Persia and Prince of Greece biblical narrative properly at all

Philinho:
Please read this .Jude 1;20.......Act 2;4.1Corintbians 12;10.
Please dont just argue. Read your bible.
Thanks

If you had read and/or gone through each and every comment I've made on this thread, you would have noticed, I had already referenced and talked about Jude 1:20, Act 2:4, 1 Corinthians 12:10 and other extra more verses. I can provide you with signposted links of where I have, upon request.

Everything I have put forward is backed up with facts, truth and scriptures, but you and the rest, just want to argue because of your reliance on a crutch. You are dependent on the crutch, you need this stick fit under the arm, and to lean on for support because you have difficulty in the praying department, so you have to invent this fake gift of speaking in tongues, a reminiscence and variant of "Ọfọ̀ Asẹ" and/or "Ògèdè". This gift of speaking in tongues, is so cool, simple and straightforward but you guys have just to turn it on its head and into something else, and like I've earlier numerously said, turn it into glorified "ògèdè and/or ọfọ̀" and/or incantation recitations

UyiIredia:
The one that never ceases to amaze me is God BECOMING A MAN and DYING for our sins.

There isnt anything bewildering in God BECOMING A MAN and DYING for our sins

UyiIredia:
If Christians knew how this logic scatter Christianity don die.

This comment doesnt compute. Please improve on it or better still rephrase the comment so that it is clear

Philinho:
Are you speaking from your own knowledge or scripture?..... 1Corinthians 12:2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:For no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
The devil dont understand tongue.
stop arguing what you dont know.
And pls back up your argument with scriptures .
thanks

Unlike you, everything I've so far said and after say, is backed up scripture and knowledge imparted by the power of the Holy Spirit. Take for example, that 1 Corinthians 12:2 scripture verse and the meaning of tongue, that you have twisted and turn on its head. Are you pretending again and/or trying to say, I haven't done good enough with all the scriptures I have so far shared with my comments on this thread huh?

Philinho:
I did not say it is superior .Y are you sounding judgementally? You need spseaking in tongues in addition to all that you have.period

1/ Why do you need speaking in tongues?
2/ Is it a biblical must, to have the gift of speaking in tongues huh?

Philinho:
hmmm.B4 you argue ask yourself.Did the devil understand speaking in tongue ? If no then what i said is true

The devil understands every possible language, which is what tongues is, uttered by human beings. What the devil doesn't understand is a silent prayer you don't say out audibly or loud because the devil can't guess right nor read your mind or thoughts, so what you said is a big fat barefaced lie on steroids.

God2man2again:
@mutteylaff.

It is MuttleyLaff and not mutteylaff

God2man2again:
I went through your profile, I found only two topics From 2015 till date and more than 5000 post

Did you not hear that curiosity killed the cat, huh?

God2man2again:
I have been on this forum since 2011. I am not new to this.

Guess what, you're new then compared to me because I've been longer on this forum than you are

We were here when Nairaland started, we moved here in throngs after the then now defunct UK based naija forum folded up. Did you not read where I said, this is an overflogged discussion here on Nairaland, huh? I've been there, been here, sold it, done it and even have the "speaking in tongue" souvenir t-shirt I bought, so how I know all I am saying. I can say a bit and more about the subject of tongues and the gift of tongues to you. I even remember when you first joined the forum with the moniker just, God2man

God2man2again:
I got you. Your explanation that Paul downplayed speaking in tongue.

I am pleased you see the truth in that

God2man2again:
The first recorded speaking in tongues was not directly stated that they were speaking to God or men.

For Jews demand miraculous signs (i.e. ask for signs)
and Greeks ask for wisdom (i.e. philiosophy)
- 1 Corinthians 1:22

So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers.
Prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers.
- 1 Corinthians 14:22

Oh c'mon now God2man2again, you're too big a heavyweight to try spin a yarn like that.

God2man2again/pchukwudi/jiggaz/Chi59, the primary purpose for speaking in tongues, was/is not, for use as a talisman, neither to be used, as quicker or easier mystical shortcuts to prayers or worship. Nor is it's purpose, to be used as, a form of means to confuse the devil or demons from understanding whats been prayed

For all the 3 recorded times, speaking in other tongues, occurred in the bible, it is visibly noted that, it happened each time, for the benefit of unbelieving Jews

For any that might have been misinformed, it is a well documented truth, as seen in 1 Corinthians 14:22 above that speaking in tongues is not for believers, rather it is used as a sign for unbelievers (i.e. 1 Corinthians 1:22a)

To speak in tongues, means audibly saying something out or make sounds with your voice to express your thoughts and feelings in a structured, conventional, intelligible and understandable way

Speak in tongues is language, as in, tongues =human language and has the same meaning with mother tongue, native tongue, dialect, vernacular etcetera. For example, you can speak in vernacular, can speak in your local dialect, might speak in a native tongue or speak in your mother tongue

There is a time and a place for everything. Also there is always a reason for everything that happens or why it does not happen

Things do happen for a reason and what took place in Acts Chapter 2, happened importantly because of Acts 2:5. Please place Acts 2:5 close together with Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:24, Romans 1:16, especially for a comparison or contrast effect

1 Corinthians 14:22 confirms that, what took place in Acts Chapter 2, was for the benefit of any unbelieving Jews at Acts 2:5. The Jews (i.e. all adult Jewish men) thousands of them from different nations dispersed to or from where they are scattered to, would travel to Jerusalem for this pilgrim festival called Feast of Weeks or Pentecost to celebrate the giving of the Law to Moses at Mount Sinai

What took place in Acts Chapter 2, was for the benefit of the lot in Acts 2:5 and nothing to do for and/or with the lot in John 10:16

Yes, absolutely, it was apart from being a sign, was for the benefit of the unbelieving lost tribe of Israel pilgrims to the festival, who incidentally were always at the top of Jesus' list of priorities

What took place in Acts 2, was the Apostles, were actually speaking in the individual languages or dialects of the visiting Jews and each of the pilgrim Jews present, without need of interpretation, heard and understood the preaching.

⁵But there were men dwelling in Jerusalem who were worshipers of God, Jews from every nation under Heaven.
⁶And when that noise occurred, the entire populace gathered and was agitated,
because each one of them heard that they were speaking in their dialects
⁷And they were all marveling and were amazed as they were saying, each to the other,
"Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?"*
⁸"How are we hearing, everyone, his own dialect in which we were born?"
- Acts 2:5-8

Notice the disciples were speaking recognisable spoken words, and the speech or manner of speaking was understandable. The dialects heard spoken of the day were:
1) those of the Parthians and Medes and Elanites,
2) people from Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, the province of Asia,
3) people Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene,
and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
4) Cretans, and Arabs

The other two subsequent recorded ocassions of speaking in tongues, happened, again, for the benefits of unbelieving Jews too.

The geniune speaking in tongue, is so infrequent now because it's original and primary purpose was for the benefit of the unbelieving lost sheep of Israel at Acts 2:5 and elsewhere before the gift got passed down to the church

Now after all these above, how dare you have the effrontery to pretend and say, the first recorded speaking in tongues was not directly stated that they were speaking to God or men

God2man2again:
I hate argument.

If you really and truly hate arguments, then stop and desist from advancing opinions but next time try facts and truth for size, then we could have a discussion instead of you arguing with yourself

God2man2again:
When we are interpreting scripture we must separate speculations and sentiments from statement of fact.

You should take to this logical and strong advice

God2man2again:
Your findings on speaking tongue is based on Paul the Apostle.

On the contrary, every thing I've submitted on tongues and the gift of speaking in tongues are based on the Bible

God2man2again:
The same Paul the Apostle made a statement of facts and direct statement not speculations in 1 Corinthians 14:2

So if you now decided to go against this statement of fact then there is nothing I can do.

Nwanne, 1 Corinthians 14:2 is easily understood and needing no explanation because of the greek word "glossa" used in it, which funnily enough, means word, and it is how we have the word, glossary, so pchukwudi, obviously, "glossa" simply means human beings word(s). So tongue(s) in essence means human being language(s). As you can see from Revelation 7:9 and Philippians 2:9-11 above, tongues is closely associated and/or suggestive of being related with human beings and not celestial beings or a heavenly language

I am pleased you admit that Paul downplayed the importance of speaking in tongues. I know you're aware that, the same Paul, on record, even said, do not speak in tongues without an interpreter, but this advice and guideline, is religiously, regularly, flagrantly and openly disregarded during gathering worships and/or prayer sessions by people like your lot.

God2man2again:
Have a nice day. May God be with us.

May God have mercy on you and your soul, give you the grace to embrace truth nwanne.
cc IEJames, pchukwudi, jiggaz, Chi59, Goshen360

OLAADEGBU:
We should still be grateful to God who is still answering the prayers of the faithful remnants. Nigeria shall be great.

Amen, confess the destination, and not give oxygen to the present situation

OLAADEGBU:
It is shameful that they claim to be speaking for God when they prophesied that loser will win the presidential election. God exposed them for the charlatan they are.

If you're bent on opening this can of stench, be warned that, maggots, other than fake prophecies, will crawl out

God2man2again:
Debunking all lies on this thread.

1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh NOT unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him;howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries "

The way of God is mysterious.

You cannot go to France and be speaking French, that's not what the above scripture is saying.

You don't need to understand what you are speaking.

You are not speaking to people around you.

You are directly speaking to God.

What you are saying can never be understood.

If you speak in tongues you are edifying yourself.

I am going to ask you a simple and uncomplicated question
1/ The first recorded speaking in tongues, whom were the 120 speaking to, was it to God or to men?

God2man2again:
Speaking in tongues is divine.

Please as a Christian, never stop speaking tongues, it may the saving grace out of imminent danger that you are not aware of.

God bless you. God2man.

You have read the post I cc'ed you in. Please stop being a false teacher and misleading people with your ill-informed comments

rekinomtla:
LMFAO yes my boy, that's it's. Control that emotions. I know you still pissed about how it went last time but this time control your anger. And plz don't take it out on your wife and children, don't beat that hell out of them. I know you atheists don't believe this but there is such a thing as objective morals.

Nwanne, it's like, you know this person very well korokoro gangan ni
Deactivate accounts after suffering from meltdowns, out of frustration throwing hissy fits, overly dramatic tantrums, foul, filthy and gutter languages etcetera, I've witnessed them all in one person.

pchukwudi:
Dude, you are actually very funny.

Nwanne, you are funnier than I am.

pchukwudi:
So, what gave you the impression that the Corinthian Church (a few group of people meeting at homes) would have a need to speak in a language that everyone present do not understand?

I am quite sure you know that Corinth was a cosmopolitan city, including people from many different parts of the world, right?

pchukwudi:
Oh, I get it, you are probably from one of those churches that use interpreters, and you grew up thinking that your local dialect is the tongue Paul was talking about in 1 Cor. 14:2

Nwanne, pchukwudi, my dearest beloved brother, re-adjust your "proper & holistic understanding meter" on this gift of tongues matter. The whole thing is very cool, simple, straight up and uncomplicated.

Reiterating nwanne, 1 Corinthians 14:2 is easily understood and needing no explanation because of the greek word "glossa" used in it, which funnily enough, means word, and it is how we have the word, glossary, so pchukwudi, obviously, "glossa" simply means human beings word(s). So tongue(s) in essence means human being language(s). As you can see from Revelation 7:9 and Philippians 2:9-11 above, tongues is closely associated and/or suggestive of being related with human beings and not celestial beings or a heavenly language

Also another most important thing, which I am sure you are aware off, is that Paul downplayed the importance of speaking in tongues. He, Paul, on record, even said, do not speak in tongues without an interpreter, but this advice and guideline, is religiously, regularly, flagrantly and openly disregarded during gathering worships and/or prayer sessions by people like your lot.

pchukwudi:
Well dude, sorry to blast your bubble. But, as you narrated, if you had truly experienced the spirit enabled groaning communication that no one could comprehend (not even your own mind), then know that millions of people from around the world, are DAILY experiencing the awesomeness of speaking in (yes) UNKNOWN tongues by the utterance and residue of the anointing that the Holy Ghost supplies.

The telltale signs that someone has completely lost the plot, is when they repeatedly start calling you dude. LOL.

Please dont do this nwanne, stop right there already, stop conflating speaking in tongues with groaning. The two, speaking in tongues and groaning, are chalk and cheese, they are not the same thing

pchukwudi:
By the way, there is such a thing as tongues of angels (see one of my comments on this thread ). And it is really laughable how you chose to ignore the word "mysteries in the spirit" and "speaks to God" in your funny mental gymnastics.

"¹If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become a sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
²And if I should have prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
³And if I may give away all my possessions, and I may deliver up my body that I may boast,a but have not love, I am profited nothing.
⁴Love is patient, love is kind, love is not envious, it is not boastful, it is not puffed up."
- 1 Corinthians 13:1-4

Nwanne, just like other scriptures like Jude 1:28, Romans 8:26 etcetera, you again, dont understand 1 Corinthians 13:1 at all. It is a shame, that you are a worker who inaccurately handles the word of truth. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Somebody like you, is accustomed to picking up low hanging fruits, because if not, you would have seen that 1 Corinthians 13:1 from the whole of 1 Corinthians 13:1-4 had nothing to do with speaking in tongue, but rather it is about a higher hanging fruit, the God love.

Now look at 1 Corinthians 13:1-4 carefully, closely and properly because if you do, you should notice the "if"s in verses 1, 2 and 3. The three "if"s combined with what are called subjunctive verbs, are made as third-class conditional statements. Before I lose you, subjunctive verbs, expresses something that you wish for, or be a hypothetical rather than actual situation. So, meaning, 1 Corinthians 13:1-3, are hyberboles, as in, hypothetical situations, of saying "what if, say, I were able to speak with the tongues of men and angels" done in this exaggerated manner, just to drive home the paramount necessity of the God love in the midst of gifts and grace. So nwanne pchukwudi, sorry to be the one bursting your bubble. 1 Corinthians 13:1-13, is never about tongues of angels and the want to build a doctrine of gift of speaking in tongues around. Sorry.

pchukwudi:
Dude, Paul says that (in personal privacy) he "pray in tongues more than you all" yet,

With all due respect, nwanne pchukwudi, please reproduce here, where Paul says that (in personal privacy) he "pray in tongues more than you all" or else, you either retract or edit your inaccurate comment

pchukwudi:
he'd not utter it in a public service unless there's interpretation, so that everyone in the Church would be edified. And so you know, doubting Thomas, there are a lot of ministries where both spiritual tongues and interpretation are given in public services TODAY.

Paul downplays the importance of speaking in tongues? Paul, as a matter of fact and truth, on record, even said, do not speak in tongues without an interpreter but this advice and guideline, is religiously, regularly, openly and flagrantly disregarded during gathering worships and/or prayer sessions.

There is a popular saying in the western part of Nigeria, that goes like this: "Bi o ba nidi, obinrin kii nje Kumolu" translated loosely means "There is no smoke without fire, there's a reason for and/or behind naming a girl Kumolu"

There was a reason for the believers, on pentecost, to miracuously speak in tongues and it is the same repeated reason, for the only two other miraculous ocassions of recorded speaking in tongues in the bible. For all the 3 recorded times, speaking in other tongues, occurred in the bible, it is visibly noted that, it happened each time, for the benefit of unbelieving Jews.

The genuine speaking in tongue, is so infrequent now because it's original and primary purpose was for the benefit of the unbelieving lost sheep of Israel, the reference for this, can be found at Acts 2:5. With the gift of genuine speaking in tongue passed on, it's purpose fundamentally, is still for convincing unbelief or scepticism.

pchukwudi:
But even at that, Paul says to "test all spirits"

Here is a test for you to do
Remember, Paul, in 1 Corinthians 12:29, asked:
"Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? "
Guess what. The answer on each account is No, no, no and no.

Moving along, then at 1 Corinthians 12:31, Paul says:
"but pchukwudi/jiggaz/Chi59 covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."
and it was after that comment in 1 Corinthians 12:31, that Paul introduced and brought in 1 Corinthians 13:1 emphasising love

Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:29 onwards, confirmed that not "all fingers are equal" and 1 Corinthians 12:29's "Do all speak in tongues?" is a strong indication, that, to speak in tongues, is not a requirement for all believers. So pchukwudi/jiggaz/Chi59, to be honest with you, if you have love, you wouldnt neccesarily need the gift of speaking in tongues and that is because love surpasses and conquers all.

pchukwudi/jiggaz/Chi59, you lot and I, know many so called self styled tongues speaking believers and/or christians, who do not have the God love, yet regularly during prayer sessions, all are called upon and propelled by pastors/worship leaders to start "speaking in tongues" and pray in tongues. You then remember 1 Corinthians 14:27–28, and begin wondering, do the pastors/worship leaders telling people to start "speaking in tongues" and pray in tongues have cognisance of scriptures like that of 1 Corinthians 14:27–28?

I can go on, as I have many more things to say, but will pause at this juncture, if not, will risk it all become an information overload. Any questions asked to clarify or shed more light will be welcomed
cc IEJames, God2man2again

OLAADEGBU:
Many of the spiritual leaders in the country have to take the lead in repentance because they are culpable for the state of the nation.

You nailed it. You hit the nail squarely on the head, smack bang with this comment

OLAADEGBU:
It is my prayer that her ethical values will change and they would not be defending corrupt officials and politicians.

Psalm 51:1 comes to mind.
Create in Naija and her people a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within her and them almost all. Amen.

Sufisunni:
This is quite sad! My condolences to his family, relatives and friends. I used to read his article. Very satirical in writerror-ups

happney65:
I hope this isnt true..I really hope so..I follow him on Facebook..He had an accident last year in Nigeria which nearly killed him as he was offline for almost 4 or 6months..The driver died and he came back..This will definetly kill his mother...

Damm

twosquare:
Unfortunate if it were true.... still wrote on his FB post asking a question about his paper two days ago or so. Yesterday, he talked about his daughter and Yoruba women hissing in Nollywood movies... this life sef...*sad.

djon78:
Chei I remember him with his articles then on Sahara Reporters. Chei, this life is nothing.
May his soul RIP.

I know him too, a laudable writer online. It was just yesterday I was boasting to someone about Ethiopia Airlines being par excellence and admired in Africa. RIP

pchukwudi:
Your entire 5 questions are answered by just one verse of Scripture: Rom. 8:26

I am yet to know why people like you always shy, dodge, duck and dive away from answering innocent and harmless questions like those easy peasy lemon squeasy 5 simple questions

pchukwudi:
Thing, is the language you rant about is the invention of humans for inter-personal communication.

Will you please mind your language, because no one, as far as I know, is ranting here, OK?

pchukwudi:
But if you know anything about the human makeup (especially the mind) you'd know that countless impulses that are processed by your brains cannot be articulated in words or human language.

What am I even saying, the fact that you got stuck in the limitations of human language does not mean that clearly articulated speech is the only form of language.

Nwanne pchukwudi, I don't know about any of your experiences, but let's just put it this way, and must say, I wouldn't wish it on my enemy to be caught in dire straits like that

So, there are two occasions in my life, when I was in dire straits and a right pickle, where whilst in these unpalatable situations, I prayed to God, the prayers got to a point, that I couldn't articulate or put in actual human being language words anymore what I was praying about, that I just slided and resorted to groaning and sighing.

The groans and sighs, came from the innermost deep fibre of my being. It felt like, I was at the end of my tethers, and actually had no more strength to pray, that I just have to resort to sighing at the situation and made groans, literally crying for the help and mercy of God. Recollecting now, is giving me goose pimples. So trust me, I have lived Romans. 8:26. Jesus too, in two or three occassions, went through this experience

"But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,"
- Jude 1:28

Apart from Jude 1:28 reproduced above, verses, like John 3:8 and John 4:24 promptly flashed through my mind when about to respond to you concerning the Romans 8:26 you referenced

You've grossly misunderstood Romans 8:26 nwanne. The Spirit is free, it is like a wind, we dont see it, we cant touch it but we can sense it, we can hear it. It moves, one minute it is quiet and still, next minute, it can be howling and noisily slammimg doors shut another minute too.

God, is a Spirit, we, as spirit beings try to connect with God, so we pray in the spirit, to associate ourselves with what is happening or is about to happen in the Spirit realm, link with what is hapening in the Spirit's world, as in, God's great/​grand scheme of things. So when we pray in the spirit, we literally are positioning our "satellite dish or antenna" for good and maximum signal strength to get sharp pictures and/or clear broadcast signals from God, as we pray in tune or in accordance with His "Thy will be done" and not our will

Without tuning in, (i.e. without praying in the spirit) distortions, bad reception, ugly feedbacks, clashing stations etcetera will be the end product, and we end up praying out of tune. Now, here is how Jude 1:20 comes into the fray. Jude 1:20 has nothing to do speaking in tongues but means what it says out of the tin. It means to literally, pray in the Holy Spirit, as in, like, to pray in line with the Spirit, similar to that ''thy will be done and not my will" Jesus' prayer and not to be praying in some uninteligible and inarticulate language

Nwanne pchukwudi, jiggaz and Chi59, do you know what a ''thy will be done and not my will" Jesus' prayer is?

pchukwudi:
Finally:
"1 Corinthians 14:2 - KJV
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

New International Version
For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God.
Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit."

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;"
- Revelation 7:9

"⁹Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
¹⁰That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
¹¹And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
- Philippians 2:9-11

Nwanne, pchukwudi, my dearest beloved brother, this thing is very cool, simple, straight up and uncomplicated, only that you, jiggaz and Chi59 dont want to adjust your "proper & holistic understanding meter" on this matter of gift of tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:2 is easily understood and needing no explanation because of the greek word "glossa" used in it, which funnily enough, means word, and it is how we have the word, glossary, so pchukwudi, obviously, "glossa" simply means human beings word(s). So tongue(s) in essence means human being language(s). As you can see from Revelation 7:9 and Philippians 2:9-11 above, tongues is closely associated and/or suggestive of being related with human beings and not celestial beings or a heavenly language

So, now going straight on to one of my favourite scripture, which is the 1 Corinthians 14:2 you quoted and brought up, the tongue Paul was talking about in this same 1 Corinthians 14:2, is the language or tongue of human beings. He is talking about the tongue and/or language associated with human beings. This means, the language or tongue Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 14:2 is, one in reference to a human being's style or manner of speaking.

Tongue, an organ of speech, is a member of the body of a human being's anatomy, not celestial beings. It also is the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other people, so again my dear nwanne, that is the kind of language or tongue, what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 14:2

Think about it nwanne, pchukwudi, if I speak in a tongue no one understands, then except God and/or the absence of interpretation, no one will understand me. Even if I do it in private, and then my spirit prays, but my mind has no understanding and clue of what I've said or prayed about.

Tongue, an organ of speech, is a member of the body of a human being, not celestial beings and also is the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other people, so again my dear brother pchukwudi, that is the kind of language or tongue, what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 14:2

Think about it pchukwudi, if I speak in a tongue, no one understands, then in the absence of interpretation, no one will understand me. Even if I do it in private prayers, then my spirit prays, but my intellect and mind has no understanding and clue of what I've said.

Another important thing about 1 Corinthians 14:2, is that, "unknown" was never in the original Greek verse. It is a latter addition by translators.

pchukwudi:
Got it?

Nwanne pchukwudi, jiggaz and Chi59, you are in a gathering comprising of like minded people with Igbo, Yoruba, Fulani, Hausa, Edo etcetera language speaking backgrounds, who dont speak nor understand each other's languages (i.e. each others Igbo, Yoruba, Fulani, Hausa, Edo language is unknown to the other), the only common language each undersands is English, now when it is time to pray, teach or preach, which language in the absence of interpretation, will you speak, pray, teach or preach in?
What language please?

1 Corinthians 14:2, is telling you that, in the above setting I've mentioned, if you speak languages that others don't know, God will understand what you are saying, though no one else will know what you mean. You will be talking about mysteries that only the Spirit understands. The others will just be guessing all you said

Also why do you want or need to speak to God in a language you do not understand what your mind is saying, I ask again, huh?

Have you, got it? Epiphany yet?

OLAADEGBU:
That's even worse than uncivilised societies. I would rather they remained uncivilised than to be regressive.

Nwanne, my brother, half a loaf is better than none. Naija, in our lifetime, will "soji", that means, woke, come to her senses, to do the right things, and to do each and everyone of them properly.

OLAADEGBU:
What kind of civilised country would not hold its Government institutions accountable?

... a retrograde and/or regressive civilised country

Chi59:
In response to your last quote on my mention:

Christians fall sick. Christians get poor. Christians even die. Jesus never promised us an easy journey.
"Take up your CROSS and follow me"
The cross is a symbol of pain and suffering. Not of enjoyment.

You are sinning against the Holy Ghost by ascribing what is His to be demonic. It's a great sin. You're erring out of deep folly. I hope God doesn't judge you in your ignorance.

Without malice or being unkind, you are under a delusion and have allowed yourself to be lied to, if you think you speak in tongues or pray in tongues. Do you know some have been known to ''pray in tongues" on Facebook too? I wonder when you'll upgrade to Facebook "praying in tongues" too. Or will that be stretching the lie too much for you with that, huh?

The gift of speaking in tongue actually is a sign for unbelievers and/or the unbelieving. The three times the gift of speaking of tongues was recorded in the Bible, it on each ocassion happened to dispel unbelief and/or convert the unbelieving. No one has to believe me on this just on face value, not even jiggaz or pchukwudi sef, as they can verify what and/or all I say about it from the Bible.

Now the thing is, people, especially typical Africans like your true self, because of being accustomed to "ògèdè and/or ọfọ̀" and/or reciting incantations, are propelled to mix their own ATR ideas and understanding, against the teachings of the Bible and what the Bible actually is saying. They need a crutch, so this make-believe SPEAK and/or PRAY in tongues charade has to be invented. It is among the last bastion of ATR and/or pagan mentality that needs to be shrugged off

God understands all human languages, which is what tongues means, so it doesn't matter to God, what tongue anybody chooses to speak in. This gift of speaking in tongues matter, is so cool, simple and straightforward but you guys, just have to turn the gift on its head and into something else unrecognisable, like I earlier said, into glorified "ògèdè and/or ọfọ̀" or reciting incantations.

Chi59:
And yes, I still speak in tongues.

I know how you think you speak in tongues and about how you think that "speaking in tongue" is uttering, some, not of this world but is heavenly language or angelic language, right?

1/ Why and what is the benefit, of speaking in a language you dont understanding what is being said?
2/ Why cant you, why dont you prefer to speak and/or pray in a language, you understand what you've just said?
3/ Dont you want to know, what the content(s) of all and each you are saying, are?
4/ Also where in the bible, had anyone prayed in tongues, whether prayed privately or publicly in tongues?
5/ Why are you trying to defend the indefensible, when there are guidelines in the bible that clearly and without doubt, states not to be speaking in tongues without interpretation, huh Chi59?

You thought I was joking when I said this is an overflogged discussion here on Nairaland, huh? I've been there, been here, sold it, done it and even have the "speaking in tongue" souvenir t-shirt I bought, so how I know and can say a bit and more about the subject to you.