Christianity Etc › Re: christians should explain this. by MuttleyLaff: 10:21am On Feb 24, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: NB: If you read the book of Samuel from the begining, the goal was for Samuel to go and anoint Jesse's son 'David' as a new king of Israel.
Samuel was afraid to go because of the existing kning 'Saul'.
God told him to tell Saul that he was going to make sacrifice.
What a conning God? Smh.. You this man, Mr James Bond have started again with your Easter egg hunts, huh? 1/ Did Samuel take a heifer with him to sacrifice or not? 2/ Where is the conning or lying, if Samuel took a heifer with him to sacrifice then? |
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Christianity Etc › Re: What Kind Of Madness Is This In The Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:40am On Feb 24, 2019*. Modified: 1:57pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
EMILO2STAY: so brother goshen, what are you implying,.. that you can speak in so called heavenly language with the help of the holy spirit?. Literally laughed out loud at this comment. Goshen360: Yes I do PRAY in tongues. However, I'm scripturally against speaking or praying in tongues in the public worship place like what Paul Enenche and these Pentecostal rascals are doing. Can you also type and write in tongues Goshen360 or that will be going too far and stretching it a bit? EMILO2STAY: am surprised this is coming from you EMILO2STAY, please dont be surprised, it is not easy o my brother. EMILO2STAY: ...tongues are for a sign, that is one of the main reason why it was allowed at the early stage of Christianity. the bible says these things shall cease with time when they accomplished their purpose 1Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away The gift of speaking in tongue actually is a sign for unbelievers and/or the unbelieving. The three times the gift of speaking of tongues was recorded in the Bible, it on each ocassion happened to dispel unbelief and/or convert the unbelieving. No one has to believe me on this just on face value, not even Goshen360 or birdman, as they can verify what I said about it from the Bible EMILO2STAY: personally I don't believe any christian speak in tongues according to the way it was done in the bible.
but what is the purpose of praying in tongues when God even knows your heart desire even before say them out. God is all knowing and he is not limited to languages. Now the thing is, people, especially Africans, because of being accustomed to "ògèdè and/or ọfọ̀" and/or reciting incantations, are propelled to mix their own ideas and understanding, against the teachings of the Bible and what the Bible actually is saying. They need a crutch, so this make-believe PRAY in tongues charade has to be discovered. It is among the last bastion of ATR and/or pagan mentality that needs to be shrugged off |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Reflection On Christian Evangelism By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 8:59am On Feb 24, 2019 |
VBCampaign: Thank you You're welcome and I trust you, your household, sphere of influences and entire network followed a clean clear and right conscience yesterday at the polling unit |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Reflection On Christian Evangelism By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 8:38am On Feb 24, 2019 |
VBCampaign: A Reflection on Christian Evangelism
By: Deji Yesufu
Two totally independent events informed this piece. A few days ago, a colleague approached me and requested that I share thoughts with her on the subject of evangelism. Just about the time we had that conversation, I saw this update on Facebook by Dr. Olatunde Olayinka Ayinde. He is a Psychiatrist with the University College Hospital, Ibadan, and he wrote this piece on the 12th of February, 2019:
“One Nigerian nurse in the UK was busy preaching to her patients who wasn’t interested in her religious message and said as much. The nurse continued to try to ‘win her patients soul’. The patient reported her to her superiors and after several warnings and continued refusal to mend her way, she was fired… Healthcare workers need to be trained to separate their own personal opinion or religious philosophy from scientifically sound medical care of patients. It is a matter of ethics and professionalism. ‘Winning souls’ of patients at their weakest and most vulnerable moments is an abuse of professional powers and privileges. That is the job of chaplains and Imams, and there are provisions for inviting such professionals trained in working with sick persons to assist the physicians in his work.”
Dr. Ayinde is a known critic of Christianity. Thus his submission in that update was clearly clouded by that mind-set. Nonetheless one cannot refuse to see the force of sense in that piece. What struck me the most was his stating that healthcare professionals should not take advantage of their patient’s vulnerability to preach to them.
Having said that, I now refer us to a statement by the great 20th century evangelical Pastor, Dr. D. M. Lloyd-Jones, on the subject of evangelism. Lloyd-Jones, himself once a medical doctor but turned preacher, said in a series of lectures published in a book “Preaching and Preachers”:
“Every Christian should be able to give an account of why he is a Christian; but that does not mean that every Christian is meant to preach. This distinction is brought out in a most interesting way in Acts 8:4,5. There we are told in the first verse that a great persecution of the Church arose in Jerusalem, and that all the members of the Church were scattered abroad except the Apostles. Then we are told in verse 4 and 5, ‘Therefore they that were scattered abroad went everywhere preaching the Word. Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.’ That is the KJV translation, and in both cases you have the word ‘preached’. But in the original the same word was not used in the two verses; and this is the vital distinction. What the ‘the people’ who went everywhere did was, as someone has suggested it might be translated, ‘to gossip’ the Word, to talk about it in conversation. Philip on the other hand did something different; he was ‘heralding’ the Gospel. This is, strictly speaking, what is meant by preaching in the sense that I have been using it…”
Lloyd-Jones made this point as he drummed out a fact that there is a difference between preaching by ordained ministers and the kind of preaching that the laity do. He was saying that preaching, in the real sense of the word, is something that persons who are called and trained are meant to do. On the other hand, while the laity may give a reason for their hope in Christ as stated in 1 Peter 3:15, most of what untrained people do as far as gospel preaching is concerned is to witness the gospel either by their lifestyle or by the testimony of their mouths. A kind of witnessing that comes as an overflow of a life filled with the work of Christ. A testimony that would usually follow a fellow worker asking about one’s hope in Christ, all because they have seen a clear difference in our lives in comparison to others around them.
This is the distinction that I think Dr. Ayinde clearly recognized when he said that professionals should face their work. And if ministers of religion are needed in the hospital, they would be invited by the hospital authorities to minister to patients that need those or that ask for them.
Let me make this point here: there is something distasteful about modern Christian practices that have continually attracted reproaching criticism from many quarters. From the matter of churches collecting monies from poor church goers, to pastors abusing their ministerial privileges at oppressing people, up to Church people unable to make clear cut distinctions between what is meant for church and what is meant for professional life, the stories are quite unending. The testimony of Hebrew 11:2 was that God’s people always brought a good report to wherever they find themselves. There is something essentially wrong with a kind of Christianity that attracts reproachful criticism from the world. Christian may be made fun of and so on but it is not in keeping with our religion, for such reproachful reports be made on us.
To round up this discussion, I will therefore state what I think Christian evangelism is.
In the days of yore, Christianity came to many countries not by direct missionary endeavours but by people who had been influenced towards the Christian faith in other places that they went to. History has it that Christianity was taken to new lands by soldiers, traders and travellers who had encountered the gospel in their journeys. When they returned to their home lands, there was often a clear difference in whom these people were and what they had now become. They were usually asked: what happened to you? In response, the individual who had encountered the gospel responded by saying he had met the Christ of the Bible. He then went on to enumerate his experience. This is what happened in Acts 8:4. These testimonies may convert the listeners but most of the time it does not. Rather, a seed of the gospel is sown in the hearts of these men.
Then, by God’s kind providence, a missionary may come to town. Whose job, as stated in Acts 8:5, is to proclaim the gospel in all its ramifications. This is what brings people to lasting faith in Christ Jesus.
This essay is not asking people not to preach in their private lives. Rather, I am saying that Christians should face the business of work when they are at their work places. It is not our duty to convert people at work. However, we may give an account of our lives if we are asked by either a fellow worker or someone we are attending to. And this would usually happen if we are genuinely living out the Christian tenets at our places of work.
Secondly, Churches need to pay careful attention to the matter of gospel preaching. Ministers need to be reminded that preaching the gospel, that saves sinners, is their primary calling. They need to know that unbelievers come to church and many of them are there to find out whether or not this Jesus is worth following. It is a sad testimony that many churches today have turned the house of God to a place for raising money, rather than a place for the careful enunciation of the Christian message.
In the final analysis, no one can win anybody’s soul to Christ. It is God the Holy Spirit alone that converts men from being dead in sin to becoming alive in Christ. The false notion that people can win other people to Christ, is usually at the foundation of this work place preaching that Dr. Ayinde criticized. The Christian worker commends the gospel to others the most by his manner of work. This sows a testimony of Christ in the hearts of those who see him. In God’s own time and way, he may send a minister to complement that witness with the gospel. Which, if understood, can bring the hearer to faith in Christ. Thus the Holy Spirit wins a soul to God in the process.
Deji Yesufu is the author of the book Victor Banjo Namaste! Namaste! Namaste! One thousand times namaste! You are a god for writing this very beautiful post. Jesus never forced Himself on people or anybody nor forced fed the gospel. Believers should learn not to give others information after they have expressed a will against it |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Kind Of Madness Is This In The Church by MuttleyLaff: 10:54pm On Feb 23, 2019 |
birdman: Because I have no intention on arguing all day. Even when verses are laid out before you, you still choose to not believe what is in front of you.
Stay stubborn and be professorial all you want - on the day you need it, the information is there. My part is done. Be blessed! birdman, you cannot forever, run away from the truth because there is no where to run to and no where to hide, that the truth, one day, will not find you, is all I have to and no more say. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Soul, Spirit And Memory by MuttleyLaff: 8:47pm On Feb 23, 2019*. Modified: 9:39pm On Feb 23, 2019 |
LordReed: Link to where such people have been studied or even mentioned. Read about a study done by the UK newspaper, the Guardian, done with its readers contributing their memories from conception to about 2 years old and more experiences, start from last paragraph on page 305 up to page 314 of this [url= https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CfyrQhNfj5QC&lpg=PA308&ots=bLRslbEt5F&dq=I%20had%20a%20dream%20when%20I%20was%20around%20four%20years%20old%20that%20I%27ve%20never%20forgotten.%20I%20dreamt%20that%20I%20was%20sucked%20up%20by%20my%20mum%27s%20vacuum%20cleaner%2C%20the%20type%20with%20the&pg=PA308#v=onepage&q=] In Search of Self[/url] link |
Christianity Etc › Re: Soul, Spirit And Memory by MuttleyLaff: 8:10pm On Feb 23, 2019 |
LordReed: Yet such persons have not been found. Trust me such persons are found. Besides that, the freakishness out about, there is a high propability these are those whose hippocampus developed faster than others to make them retain some and certain memories from conception to about 2 years old. Their numbers are few and far in between. I can share some uncanny stories of these few and far in between and their stories of memories from conception to about 2 years old with you, but since I dont want to particularly freak or alarm anyone, I wouldn't. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Soul, Spirit And Memory by MuttleyLaff: 7:24pm On Feb 23, 2019 |
LordReed: 1 out of billions? I am certain there exists more than one person out of billions |
Christianity Etc › Re: Soul, Spirit And Memory by MuttleyLaff: 5:54pm On Feb 23, 2019 |
LordReed: Memories of significant events or even of mundane things like we seem to recall from time to time. I doubt anybody remembers what his/her mother's breast tasted like even though you sucked on it for months, day in, day out. I am quite sure, there exists, at least one person who does but then the breast I sucked recently, though I remember enjoying the suck, I dont really have any recollection of how it tasted. I guess, my brain just failed to store up the memory of the breast taste. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions To All Christians. by MuttleyLaff: 5:22pm On Feb 23, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: 13. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
Check the bolded, then ask urself if u make sense.. You should have said that the blood instruction is what you meant by sign now. It makes sense die and I still maintain that how many times do you want it be told you, that, it isnt about a blood sign, but it is about obedience, the will to survive and an appetite for life or to stay alive Hypothetically speaking, if you were among them at that time, I am quite sure about the unrisky and right choice you'll make. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Soul, Spirit And Memory by MuttleyLaff: 5:14pm On Feb 23, 2019 |
LordReed: So how does the soul and/or spirit now possess these memories? Or it/they don't? As I earlier said, I vividly remember sharing salient points and facts of life with one of my kids when younger, and was stunned, when years later, I asked about them but was told couldnt remember me saying them. I've since put the non recollection down to what I call " kid amnesia" Also, like I also earlier said, the reason why no one remembers anything from conception to about 2 years old is because apparently our brains at that period isnt developed to function enough as to be putting our experiences down as memories. Now to this your other question of how the soul and/or spirit now possess these memories, well, this is not an easy or stratightforward question to answer because which type of memories are you talking about |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions To All Christians. by MuttleyLaff: 9:00am On Feb 23, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: what about verses 12 and 13? Still a destroyer? Ok let's say it's a destroyer that kills. Why did an all-knowing god needs a sign in order to send his destroyer? How many times do you want it be told you, that it isnt about a sign, but it is about obedience, the will to survive and an appetite for life or to stay alive Hypothetically speaking, if you were among them at that time, I am quite sure about the unrisky and right choice you'll make GreatResearcher: I am bein used by ResearchersWorldWide and am cashing out for it. You are like a drug baron taking delight in trading in cocaine and other substance drugs killing thousands if not millions and being happy you are used in making money out of the misery and all |
Politics › Re: Help!!! My Wife Lock The Doors, Hide The Keys And Refuse Me To Go Out And Vote by MuttleyLaff: 8:41am On Feb 23, 2019 |
luvmijeje: Smelling talk. Is your polling booth not close to your house. Maybe your wife knows you are not saying the truth. It's possible you want to go and cheat on her with another woman Maybe a case of once bitten when on a similar day, he cheated on her with another woman, so why she is this time, twice shy to let him outside to cast another " vote" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions To All Christians. by MuttleyLaff: 8:06am On Feb 23, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: watchout for the bolded in the verses below and tell me if it was god himself who does the killing or he sent something else. If you had watched out for the last part of Exodus 12:23 that you left unemboldened, you would have noticed it is the destroyer and not God Himself, who did the killing GreatResearcher: Maybe ur bible would have made sense if it was written this way
12. On that same night I 'god' will send death to pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13. Since death I will send cannot differentiate or discriminate, put up a blood and the blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when death see the blood, it will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. 23. When the death sent by god goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, it will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down. It could have been written that way, but it would have been unnecessary, as every one except you, is aware death does not discriminate, that when the destroyer or grim reaper angel of death visits, as in when it turns up, it does not ask who you are, doesnt want to know if you are an Israelite or an Egyptian, and so, in this case for anyone who wants to be safe and wants to remain alive, then it was wise to pay attention to and take notice of the warning, to put blood on the door frame, so to have death sentence pass over their house and not execute judgement there because the destroyer will not allowed to come in to the houses to strike. victorian: What are you trying to prove ? What's the essence of this topic? GreatResearcher, Mr Bond, is giving in and yielding to being a tool and right now, has increasingly become a tool that doesn't even know its being used. He hasnt got better things to do with his time other than all this, so idle hands becomes the devil's tools and workshop |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Cosmic Jewish Zombie called Jesus Was a gay. by MuttleyLaff: 7:52am On Feb 23, 2019 |
What is laughable is that GreatResearcher, Mr Bond, has refused to tell, what specific intimacy with John, he is theorizing this on and/or with, and saying because of that, Jesus is gay. It's either the cat got his tongue or he is scaredy-cat afraid to say |
Christianity Etc › Re: Questions To All Christians. by MuttleyLaff: 5:15am On Feb 23, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: Why did a all-knowing God request for a sign to differentiate the Israelites and the Egyptians?
Exodus Chp 12: 12, 13 & 23. 12. On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt. 23. When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down. GreatResearcher: 50 views no comment. This shows that even Christians are confused about their God. GreatResearcher: According to research, the all-knowing God couldn't know the doorposts of the Israelites hence needed a blood mark on the doorposts.. GreatResearcher, Mr Bond, you should by now and from your numeous " researches" have known that death does not discriminate, that when the grim reaper angel of death visits, when it comes, it does not ask who you are, doesnt want to know if you are an Israelite or an Egyptian, and if you want to remain alive then you'll be doing yourself a favour by paying attention to and take notice of the warning, to put blood on your doorframe, so to have death pass over your house and not make a visit, just as Makito015 put it, about instruction(s) from God and any instruction(s) God gives ought to be adhered to |
Christianity Etc › Re: Soul, Spirit And Memory by MuttleyLaff: 11:42pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3: I have repeated the answer twice now. I'm not doing so again. Suit yourself |
Christianity Etc › Re: Soul, Spirit And Memory by MuttleyLaff: 11:36pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3: I am saying that our bodies can barely remember what happened yesterday much less what happened when we were 2.
As for conception, the human spirit is only created and put into the body after it has been formed. So, the human person (or soul) only begins to exist at birth, not at conception. This is all conventional wisdom things you are saying so without further mincing words, shed unmistakable light on why, no one can remember anything from conception and/or birth to about 2 years old please? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Soul, Spirit And Memory by MuttleyLaff: 11:22pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3: My answer was in the post you quoted. Our bodies today are suited to physical life so our spirits are very limited in expression in them. Are you saying our bodies are capable of remembering things except from conception to about 2 years old then? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Soul, Spirit And Memory by MuttleyLaff: 11:08pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3: The biblical position is that we are spirits living in a physical, unresurrected body. That is, according to the Bible,
Human soul = physical, unresurrected body + human spirit.
As to your question directly, our body is our means of expressing and interacting with the Universe. We are majorly physical beings in this body so our spiritual "resources" are not that available to us.
That is one big reason why the Resurrection is a big deal for Christians. We look forward to New bodies which are suited to spiritual existence. Those bodies will be perfect tools for our spirits to express themselves and interact with spiritual realities as isn't the case right now because of the weakness of our bodies today. Please shed light on OP's question, asked, concerning why is, no one can remember anything from conception to about 2 years old? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is A Creator A Logical Conclusion? by MuttleyLaff: 11:04pm On Feb 22, 2019*. Modified: 12:41am On Feb 23, 2019 |
johnydon22: When you wake up in the morning, you could see the sun rise from the east, journey across the sky and then gently sink in the western horizon. It repeats this journey every day and you observe this supposedly fixed pattern.
To conclude based on this apparent observation that the sun went round is the earth is completely a logical conclusion to make.
So, to be clear, something being logical isn't the same truth as being true.
Logic is simply the application of valid chain of reasoning principle.
a = b b = c therefore a = c
Now that we have this off the way, i am asking this question particularly to the atheists/agnostics like myself here.
Do you think a creator is a logical conclusion to make
You don't have to believe in something to argue it is logical. You don't have to believe in something to argue it is logical, and that is because you are being honest johnydon22: What do you think? If yes, Why? If No, Why not? Yes because, every oil painting and/or artwork, has a painter johnydon22: To the theists Do you think unbelief in God is a logical conclusion? Why? Why not? " The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God..." - Psalm 14:1 People think Psalm 14:1, is speaking ill of atheist, that it is making wickedly cheap potshots but no, that verse, Psalm 14:1 and another one which is Psalm 53:1, are just being frank to the fact about a supposedly knowledgeable person concluding and making a wrong decision (i.e. foolish) concerning the existence of God. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit bowl or fruit salad. The fool might though. So we see, it is a wisdom problem, we have on our hands with atheists here about God Back to the matter, unbelief in God is an illogical conclusion because it is foolish to take the decision to come to that conclusion of an unbelief in God. Nobody is against logic, nobody is against common sense, nobody is against conventional wisdom, but some, starve the best part of the mind because of false logic |
Christianity Etc › Re: Oyedepo Was Right To Curse Those Troubling Nigeria by MuttleyLaff: 10:35pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
CodeTemplar: Gods will doesn't always activate itself. We have a part to play and that why the bible tell us that whatsoever we bound on earth shall be bound in heaven. Elijah cursed two battalion of 50 men each and still went heaven in chariots. luvmijeje: Really? I actually don't have issue with him cursing. But if you and I had curse the way he did, we'll be told it's not Christ like. We'll be reminded to pray for our enemies.
The hypocrisy! Seven times Jesus said woe to the Scribes and Pharisees. I dont need to tell anyone of the symbolic meaning of the number seven and we know, already what woe means, that, it is tantamount to being a curse somewhat and we also know who the 21st century Scribes and Pharisees are. CodeTemplar: The cursing is no biggie. Sometimes, it is necessary to put fear and the fear of God in them with it. It sometimes, is the only thing some people understand, can relate to and make them sit up right |
Christianity Etc › Re: Oyedepo Was Right To Curse Those Troubling Nigeria by MuttleyLaff: 10:19pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
Seven times Jesus said woe to the Scribes and Pharisees. I dont need to tell anyone of the symbolic meaning of the number seven and we know, already what woe means, that, it is tantamount to being a curse somewhat and also know who the 21st century Scribes and Pharisees are. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Real Reason How Judas Got Jesus by MuttleyLaff: 9:44pm On Feb 22, 2019*. Modified: 8:15am On Feb 23, 2019 |
idid: The presidential candidate explains how Judas got Jesus... You should watch it..
h t t ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7G3_33qb7E Sowore always making one emotional with passionate speeches. Only if they will listen. Nigeria is at a crossroads, at an opportunity watershed moment, where and when we can take our destiny into our own hands, grab destiny with our two hands, to change the bath water for a fresh and new one but the youths that ought to know better, the youths that should see visions, arent seeing nada, but, for crumbs on the table and floor, they have camped tent with the elitists and corruptible elements shafting the whole nation. They are pitching tents with those who once they get in power again, will turn blind eyes to acts of stealing the country blind. Instead of them and all, to shine their eyes, galvanise and sensitise the electorates not to chose between the devil's broomstick and the deep blue sea's umbrella We can tomorrow, shape our destiny, by not chosing between the devil and the deep blue sea for another 4 years of misery, sufferings, disappointments, hardship, poverty, homelessness, epileptic power supply, exorbitant PAYG electric charges, death trap roads, pathetic health care facilities, falling and failing education standards, mass unemployment, insecurity etcetera With political fortitude and if no compromises, the right candidate with clear cut and spelled out digital ideas of how to transform the the country, alleviate poverty, turn the country into a construction site thereby give rise to mass employment, tackle the epileptic power supply problem with 21st century innovative solution etcetera will win but then, if people prefer another 4 years of between the devil and the deep blue sea, well, what more I can say than just, as you lay your bed .... Ẹ nu ẹ, la ma wa.Seun: I have never understood why the betrayal of Jesus by Judas was necessary. Judas was a tool Seun: The authorities could have arrested him whenever he was preaching in public. They tried several times, but couldnt carry arresting Him, for fear of causing civil unrest and attract the wrath of the Romans Seun: If he had to stop preaching to avoid being arrested... To avoid being arrested at the right time wasnt part of Jesus plan. Shutting Him up Seun: If he had to stop preaching to avoid being arrested, they would have already achieved their main goal of shutting him up. " And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified." - John 12:23 " Then He returned to the disciples and said, Are you still sleeping and resting? Look, the hour is near, and the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners." - Matthew 26:45 Destiny, always will be fulfilled. It was necessary that Jesus be arrested. The arrest was unavoidable |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Cosmic Jewish Zombie called Jesus Was a gay. by MuttleyLaff: 9:27pm On Feb 22, 2019*. Modified: 10:08pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: The disciple whom Jesus, the gospels affirm, loved in a special way was John. All the other disciples had fled in fear. Three women but only one man had the courage to go with Jesus to his execution. That man (John) clearly had a unique place in the affection of Jesus. In all classic depictions of the Last Supper, a favourite subject of Christian art, John is next to Jesus, very often his head resting on Jesus's breast.
Dying, Jesus asks John to look after his mother and asks his mother to accept John as her son.
John takes Mary home. John becomes unmistakably part of Jesus's family.
My question to u is, why was it John and not his other disciples if he was not having something intimate with John? Why are you beating about the bush, when just what I've really asked is that, what specific intimacy with John, are you theorizing this on and/or with now that Jesus is or was gay? C'mon now, spill it or has the cat got your tongue now. What specific intimacy with John, are you theorizing this on and/or with now, that Jesus is or was gay? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Cosmic Jewish Zombie called Jesus Was a gay. by MuttleyLaff: 9:10pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: I've changed the title. Just tell then Mr Bond, what specific intimacy with John, are you theorizing this on and/or with now that Jesus is or was gay, but remember that according to Nimistix, yes, your " research" and " proof(s)" so far are too weak, superficial, so wont and dont hold water |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Cosmic Jewish Zombie called Jesus Was a gay. by MuttleyLaff: 8:47pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: I am not asking whther d comic zombie Jew was a gay. I am telling u that he was.. But Mr Bond, the thread is titled " Was Jesus Gay?" and now you are getting your knickers in a knot saying you arent asking whether or not Jesus is gay. Just tell then, what specific intimacy with John, are you theorizing this on and/or with now that Jesus is gay? Remember, according to Nimistix, yes, your " research" and " proof(s)" so far, are too weak, superficial, so wont and dont hold water |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Cosmic Jewish Zombie called Jesus Was a gay. by MuttleyLaff: 8:28pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: Back this up with a proof Not so fast Mr Bond! After when you tell what specific intimacy with John are you theorizing this on and/or with now that you're asking if Jesus is gay perhaps And according to Nimistix, yes, your " research" and " proof(s)" so far are too weak, superficial, so wont and dont hold water |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Cosmic Jewish Zombie called Jesus Was a gay. by MuttleyLaff: 5:04pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
GreatResearcher: According to research, Jesus's intimacy with John suggested he was gay. And what specific intimacy with John are you theorizing this on and/or with now that you're asking if Jesus is gay? Jesus and none of His 12 inner caucus disciples were gays. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Oyedepo Was Right To Curse Those Troubling Nigeria by MuttleyLaff: 2:55pm On Feb 22, 2019 |
HappyPagan: Trust me, Jesus is less concerned about my signature than he is with the church. You should be like him, be Christian, not Churchian. Trust me, not many know that Christian and Churchian are twin peas in a pod |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Kind Of Madness Is This In The Church by MuttleyLaff: 11:42am On Feb 22, 2019 |
Goshen360: Okay my brother, let's put it in context or perspective and see how this verse makes sense to you.....
For if you have the ability to speak in tongues, you will be talking only to God, since people won’t be able to understand you. You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious
Okay you said it is human language right say put it in perspective say for instance hausa, or Igbo, or Yoruba, french, etc
So let's replace those languages with tongues in that verse and see if we make sense or not....
For if you have the ability to speak in Hausa Igbo, Yoruba or French etc, you will be talking only to God, since people won’t be able to understand you. You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious
Two things:
First, this is a worship gathering in 1 Corinthians 14 and it's public
Second, It's doesn't make sense to me if I'm speaking these human language to ONLY God AND PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND ME because someone or somebody in the public will or might understand Hausa or igbo or Yoruba or French.....BUT HE SAYS THE LANGUAGE IM SPEAKING IS ONLY TO GOD, and God do understand every languages BUT PEOPLE WONT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND ME....it doesn't make sense in that reading of context if it is some human language, if it is human language then someone will understand buy it says people don't understand me.....so it's is human language? Goshen360, my dearest brother, let's cut this to the barest and real bone. If you are speaking, whether in private or public, in a human language, that no one understands or speaks in, who will understand this human language you speak in, if not God. Now, here is where it gets interesting, what is the point in you speaking or repeating a human language you don't understand? What is the point, of course your spirit might gel with the flow, but your mind has no clue whatsoever to all you are saying, so what is the benefit and point, when your mind doesn't understand it?. If you want it to make sense that God understands you but the other people don't, then make sure you understand what you are saying so you can interpret what you are saying to others and/or the people. God understands all tongues, so it doesn't matter to God, what tongue anybody chooses to speak in. This thing is so simple and straightforward but you guys have just to turn it on its head and into something else, like I earlier said into glorified " ògèdè and/or ọfọ̀" or incantations. |