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Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:23pm On Dec 26, 2017

Sarassin:
The face does look familiar

Wow, x-ray glasses!

LoJ:
I tell you

Where can I get a pair of those from guys?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:18pm On Dec 26, 2017

Sarassin:
Four cans? We should go drinking one day

I dont mind taking you up on that
I remember guys offering me beer whilst having games of chess. I wonder what they were trying to get up to doing that

Sarassin:
The JW's are always good for an argument, they never know when to stop and always keep coming back
but I do admire them at least they practice what they preach unlike the Pentecostal crew.

Don't be fooled

Sarassin:
So what was the turning point for you?
i.e the defining moment?

Epiphany

LoJ:
What is a familiar spirit sir?

Never mind, was just pulling your leg

Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:10pm On Dec 26, 2017

LotusFan:
Awwwww beautiful

LoJ:
Something about you is familiar to me. Are you sure you are not ... ??

And are you sure you are not a familiar spirit?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 7:28pm On Dec 26, 2017*

Emmanystone:
Dumping organised religion wasn't so tough on me as it was for my eldest.sister, who had the guts to go to the boarding house and returned an S.U. when the entire family, from living grand parents to the last relative was Catholic. As a kid i watched my sister suffered raw persecution from people who called themselves Christians.

When i knew Catholic Church was not for me. I didn't do it as brazen as my sister. I just went to Church becos of School Fees and allowance. While in School. No Catholic anything.

Immediately i graduatsee off i went.

But, this journey hasn't been smooth at all. At a point JW almost got me. I found their materials so insightful, i read every of their book. When my Mom who had been saved years earlier got to know i was drifting to that trench, she literally cried for me. I escaped.

Then i met New Age. Aaahhh. I met one smart ass guy, just like my sarassin here, he gave me all the books available and i gobbled everything down. Sarrasin says, Rampa is a Fraud. Okay.

I remember back in the day, had a friend, mere quarter full drinking glass of Heineken is enough to get him intoxicated and vulnerable
meanwhile I could down four cans straight up and still be alert
Some need to stay clear and away from things that potentially could overwhelm them

I am a glutton for knowledge, I do JW, New Age etcetera
Why? Because there at times, are elements of truth somewhere in them
Just need to recognise it when you find it
and if like when eating chicken, you come across bones, just spit it so not to get choked

Emmanystone:
Then i decided to hear what Jesus said about Himself,
i never believed i could fall in love with a Spirit.
I fell deeply in Love with my Master and i have wished for nothing else since.
The whole world can keep her goods, Jesus is enough for me.

LotusFan:
Awwwww beautiful

I know. So touching isnt it. I almost reached for kleenex

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 6:49pm On Dec 26, 2017

Sarassin:
Yeah, that was a bit devious even if i do say so myself.

Just winding you up and still wearing the smile you gave me following reading that post
You dont want to know the antics and devious things I got up to growing up

Sarassin:
It was not really down to my Dad, our arguments were legendary
but given what I had put him through he was positively a saint.
The decision to turn my back on organised religion was entirely mine, it is not one that I regret,
it has allowed me to grow in a way that being a part of any organised religion demanding conformity of thought would never allow.

True religion and the one God approves of, has nothing to do with demanding conformity of thought

I have met and read here, so many in organised religion, who live a "conformity" lie or the other and believe it

One of the happiest moment of my life was when I too turned my back on organised religion.
I havent looked back since then, havent missed it, would never go back to it

Sarassin:
Some people choose to go their own way, I am one of those.

Nothing wrong with people choosing to go their own way
It's cool, once they know the road will lead them back home again.
If it leads them anywhere else, then they're toast

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 5:20pm On Dec 26, 2017

Sarassin:
Or, at least he thought so!

You make me wish I had a time machine
so I can go back in time
step out of the time machine towards you
place two hands on your ears, start twisting them
and smh say: "you of all people, tut-tut-tut, scheming little so-and-so"

Dad kicked you out of Orthodox, but you latched on to Eastern,
even if the Eastern, is just in word and has no correlation to Orthodox

Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 4:18pm On Dec 26, 2017

Sarassin:
At this time mum who had been feigning disinterest chipped in “eh…that’s the one you will know…why don’t you do something constructive eh?
At this point I uttered the magic words “and even you dad….”

You want to reveal Dad's skeleton in the cupboard?

LoJ:
I cant stop laughing here.
Was he a charismatic minister?
Or from a classical protestant/catholic church.

Sarassin:
Orthodox

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree

You can take the man out of Orthodox influence,
but you can't take Eastern influence out of the man

Christianity Etc › Re: The Stoning Of Stephen - Why...? by MuttleyLaff: 10:50pm On Dec 25, 2017*

Sarassin:
Jesus was a child consecrated before his birth to a prophetic mission, by the express wish of his mother. In the first instance Jesus would have received his early instruction, and first become acquainted with the Scriptures at instruction of his parents under the calm and serenity of Galilee.

Absolutely 110% correct

Sarassin:
We know at least that Jesus could read

Why leave out the fact, we know at least He could write as well too

Sarassin:
Interestingly the Gospels have maintained perfect silence regarding the doings of Jesus, previous to his meeting with John the Baptist, through whom, according to them, he took possession of his ministry but the debut of Jesus at the banks of the Jordan evidently took place after a long learning process this learning must have taken place in the only place in Israel, which, at that time, preserved the real traditions of the prophets and kept their ways of life

⁴¹Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
⁴²And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

⁴⁹And He said to them,
"Why is it that you were seeking Me?
Did you not know that it behooves Me to be in the house of My Father?

⁵¹And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them:
but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
⁵²And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man
- Luke 2:41-42, 49, 51-52

²³And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
- Luke 3:23

¹³At that time Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.
¹⁴But John tried to prevent Him, saying,
“I need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?”
¹⁵“Let it be so now,” Jesus replied.
“It is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness in this way.”
Then John permitted Him.
- Matthew 3:13-15

¹⁴Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit,
and the news about Him spread throughout the surrounding region.
¹⁵He taught in their synagogues and was glorified by everyone.
¹⁶Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up.
As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read,
²⁰Then He rolled up the scroll, returned it to the attendant, and sat down.
The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on Him,
²¹and He began by saying,
“Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
22All spoke well of Him and marveled at the gracious words that came from His lips.
“Isn’t this the son of Joseph?” they asked.
- Luke 4:14-16, 20-22

¹²When Jesus heard that John had been imprisoned, He withdrew to Galilee.
¹³Leaving Nazareth, He went and lived in Capernaum, which is by the sea in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali,
¹⁴to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah:
¹⁷From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
- Matthew 4:12-14, 17

¹Jesus went out from there and came into His hometown; and His disciples followed Him.
²When the Sabbath came, He ,began to teach in the synagogue,;
and the many listeners were astonished, saying,,
“Where did this man get these things,, and what is this wisdom given to Him,
and such miracles as these performed by His hands?
- Mark 6:1-2

The Gospels, as seen above, contrary to your opinion,
have NOT maintained perfect silence regarding the doings of Jesus, previous to his meeting with John the Baptist, through whom, according to them, he took possession of his ministry

His learning took place in only one place in Israel, and that is, Nazareth.
Jesus Christ, from age 12-30, was at home with His parents in Nazareth.

The debut of Jesus at the banks of the Jordan evidently took place after a 30 years long waiting process.
David was 30 years old when he began to reign
Joseph was 30 years old when he began serving Pharaoh king of Egypt
At age 30, Jesus, left home to be baptised by John the Baptist, His cousin.
and thereafter officially began the work of God

Sarassin:
We know that his mother Mary had links with the Essene Order, and that Joseph the father who was out of the picture much earlier was of the Pharisee class. At the time of Jesus the Order of the Essenes were the last remnants of the prophetic brotherhood set up by Samuel. They took refuge in silence and solitude simply preserving their traditions. They had two principal centres, one in Egypt and the other in Palestine, at Engaddi, near the Dead Sea.

The Essene Order accepted the children of the poor and gave them food, shelter and an education.
Right there at Engaddi cut off from the immediate surrounds of Nazareth for many years,
together with other children of the poor who were later to become his trusted disciples

Haba!
Adding fictitious and colourful exaggerated details to your story version of Jesus' life is poetic licence to thrill misuse
To err is human,
but this emboldened error above is just too shockingly monumental

Was Simon, the Zealot, among the trusted disciples Essene Order graduates too?

Sarassin:
this is where Jesus would have received the spiritual indoctrination preserved through a select band of prophets from Samuel to Elijah, Elisha and Ezekiel taught by the Essenes.

The evidence that Jesus was educated by the Order of the Essene’s is profuse.

Sarassin, commendably, in your lively, interesting and healthy conversations with Emmanystone, you tried spilling the beans.
but contrary to your opinion, Jesus Christ was never taught by the Essenes nor received training from any Order of Essenes

Jesus was a whizz-kid,
Remember, that, as early as when He was age 12, people already, were taken aback by His knowledge and wisdom
All who heard the 12 year old Jesus, in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions
were amazed at His understanding and His answers.

Jesus knew the Essenes, He made use of their facilities alright
but He was at no time under any Essenes' tutelage

Sarassin:
Upon acceptance which was usually after a One year induction members were made to swear “terrible oaths” to observe the rules of the Order and to betray none of its secrets

³³Again, you have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but you shall keep your oaths to the Lord.’
³⁴But I say to you not to swear at all: neither by heaven, because it is the throne of God;
³⁵nor by the earth, because it is the footstool of His feet; nor by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King.
³⁶Neither shall you swear by your head, because you are not able to make one hair white or black.
³⁷But let your statement ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more than these comes from evil.
- Matthew 5:33-37

That's Jesus at Matthew 5:34 speaking
Now do you want to retract?

Sarassin:
The very silence kept by Jesus and his disciples about the Essenes speaks volumes

If you had searched the bible low and high enough first, you would have found what Jesus thought of them or scored them in areas of savviness and streetwise

Well, it didnt stop Jesus sending his disciples to one of them,
towards wanting to make use of the guestchamber facility

Sarassin:
Why does he who attacks with unparalleled courage all the religious sects of his day, never mention the Essenes?

The Essenes never got within an earshot of a proper mention
because unlike the hypocritical arrogant and oppressive Pharisees, the political clout Sadducees and the wealthy elite Scribes,
they kept under the radar with an admirable low profile lifestyle

Sarassin:
And why do the apostles never even refer to them?

The Apostles never even referred to Essenes
in the manner they or Jesus did with the Pharisees, Sadducees and the Scribes,
because the Essenes, never had beef with, never gave beef to the Apostles or Jesus Christ

Sarassin:
Evidently because they considered the Essenes as part of themselves.

No, not necessarily because they considered the Essenes as part of themselves
It is because it's always the Pharisees, Sadducees and the Scribes, spying, setting traps, locking horns and having face off with them

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Jesus From Age 12-30? What Was He Up To? by MuttleyLaff: 6:17pm On Dec 25, 2017

Emmanystone:
I laughed so hard to hear my dearest Sarassin say Jesus, who could read people's thoughts needed an education to be able to read the very words he gave to his prophets.

I laughed so hard too

Emmanystone:
In other Words, Jesus needed an education to understand his own thoughts, as the written words are His thoughts.

It's like saying Jesus needed to be taught the language he gave to the Jews.

I guess we can safely assume Sarassin has created God in his own image then bwahahaha

Emmanystone:
Who is this Jesus even?

"In the beginning God created man in His Own image,
and man has been trying to repay the favor ever since"

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Jesus From Age 12-30? What Was He Up To? by MuttleyLaff: 4:11pm On Dec 25, 2017

OkaiCorne:
Dear OP, Within those years... Jesus travelled extensively seeking relevant knowledge to aid His ministry.

He travelled west wards towards Egypt and returned to Israel when His earthly father Joseph died...He was aged 17 to 19 at the time.

He also travelled eastwards to as far as Nepal, China and India. He knew certain on Bhuddism. If you doubt me, do a research on Bhudda and Jesus... you'll see numerous similarities.

Bhudda existed 600 years before Jesus, and the Bhuddists acknowledged Jesus to be the brightest light of His time. In Bhuddism, Jesus is also known as Issa.

You can also check out this book for further details " the lost years of Jesus"

You, Sarassin and correctguy101 apparently are all singing from the same hymn sheet

You obviously didnt read OP's memo, about kindly answer with reasonable practical, verifiable scriptural reference/s.
Not response based on sentiment, imagination, deduction, interpretation, etc.
Limit response only to direct scriptural texts from the bible as written, in quotes preferably

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was Jesus From Age 12-30? What Was He Up To? by MuttleyLaff: 3:54pm On Dec 25, 2017

Writs:
Where was Jesus Christ from age 12-30?
What was he doing?
Where is the record of such a being of divine significance through those years?
If any clergy, G.O. pastor, prophet, apostle, evangelist, or any Christian or non-christian know,
kindly answer with reasonable practical, verifiable scriptural reference/s.
Not response based on sentiment, imagination, deduction, interpretation, etc.
Limit response only to direct scriptural texts from the bible as written, in quotes preferably.

Enquiring minds would like to know.

Thank you.

Happy yuletide.

⁴¹Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
⁴²And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
⁵¹And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them:
but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
⁵²And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man
- Luke 2:41-42, 51-52

²³And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
- Luke 3:23

¹³At that time Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.
¹⁴But John tried to prevent Him, saying,
“I need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?”
¹⁵“Let it be so now,” Jesus replied.
“It is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness in this way.”
Then John permitted Him.
- Matthew 3:13-15

¹⁴Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit,
and the news about Him spread throughout the surrounding region.
¹⁵He taught in their synagogues and was glorified by everyone.
¹⁶Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up.
As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read,
²⁰Then He rolled up the scroll, returned it to the attendant, and sat down.
The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on Him,
²¹and He began by saying,
“Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
22All spoke well of Him and marveled at the gracious words that came from His lips.
“Isn’t this the son of Joseph?” they asked.
- Luke 4:14-16, 20-22

¹²When Jesus heard that John had been imprisoned, He withdrew to Galilee.
¹³Leaving Nazareth, He went and lived in Capernaum, which is by the sea in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali,
¹⁴to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah:
¹⁷From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
- Matthew 4:12-14, 17

Jesus Christ, from age 12-30, was at home with His parents in Nazareth.
At age 30, He left home to be baptised by John the Baptist, His cousin.

LoJ:
You are asking the impossible.

The simple truth is, the Bible does not speak about those years, except saying he grew in grace and spirit. That's all.
If you want to know, either you allow people use logic deduction and external sources, to back their opinions,
or you just forget it, as nobody can create a bible verse that does not exist.

Sarassin, commendably, during his lively, interesting and healthy conversations with Emmanystone on the LoJ opened thread, tried to spill the beans.

Jesus knew the Essenes
He made use of their facilities alright
but He was at no time under any of the Essenes' tutelage
Contrary to the Sarassin opinion, Jesus Christ was never taught nor received training from Essenes

Jesus was a whizz-kid,
Remember, that, as early as when He was age 12, people already, were taken aback by His knowledge and wisdom
All who heard the 12 year old Jesus, in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions
were amazed at His understanding and His answers.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by MuttleyLaff: 9:59pm On Dec 23, 2017*

petra1:
I did my researches

Petra1, if you had done a real, proper and careful research, your conclusion wont completely be gone 180 degrees in the wrong direction

petra1:
Even in other manuscripts like the book of Enoch and the book of jasher. More details are there .
Genesis 4:26 (NLT)
When Seth grew up, he had a son and named him Enosh. At that time people first began to worship the Lord by name.
Genesis 4:26 (Message)
And then Seth had a son whom he named Enosh.
That's when men and women began praying and worshiping in the name of God.

Can I have the exact details in the book of Enoch and the book of Jasher please?
Chapter(s)? Verse(s)?

dyydxx:
There is a reason the gnostic gospels were expunged from what we know as the scriptures today.
Those books contain very controversial and heretical beliefs that can't be verified by the holy spirit or even historians.

Petra1 prefers to not be concerned about any of that

petra1:
Are you aware that there were references to them from the Bible even the epistles

What you ought to have asked yourself, is, in what context though, are the references to them from the Bible, even the epistles, made?
You ought to have wondered, what was the objective, setting and game plan?
You ought to have asked yourself, whether the references to them, are part of a strategy for achieving an objective?

dyydxx:
just read this to get a proper understanding of why the book is heretical
https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-questions-and-answers/is-the-book-of-enoch-sacred-writing

You be like talking to a brick wall
He doesnt need that link. He knows!

petra1:
Are you aware the apostles quoted from them

"By necessity, by proclivity, and by delight, we all quote.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

When a person, say for an example, quotes from the Quran,
it doesnt mean because the person quoted from it, then the person has given the Quran a stamp of approval

dyydxx:
still doesn't mean it's scripture

All I am asking Petra1, is to give me the exact details in the book of Enoch and the book of Jasher please
then explain how he connected them to Genesis 4:26 for him to conclude and say:
"At one time men didn't know about praying or worship or personal relationship with God.
But in the days of Enos God granted man the understanding.
And it became part of Godd principles for us" sic.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by MuttleyLaff: 6:19pm On Dec 23, 2017

petra1:
I did my researches

Petra1, if you had done a real, proper and careful research, your conclusion wont completely be gone 180 degrees in the wrong direction

petra1:
Even in other manuscripts like the book of Enoch and the book of jasher. More details are there .

Genesis 4:26 (NLT)
When Seth grew up, he had a son and named him Enosh. At that time people first began to worship the Lord by name.

Genesis 4:26 (Message)
And then Seth had a son whom he named Enosh.
That's when men and women began praying and worshiping in the name of God.

Can I have the exact details in the book of Enoch and the book of Jasher please?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by MuttleyLaff: 4:22pm On Dec 23, 2017

petra1:
At one time men didn't know about praying or worship or personal relationship with God . But in the days of Enos God granted man the understanding. And it became part of Godd principles for us .

Genesis 4:26 (KJV)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

plainbibletruth:
Petra1, to say i'm disappointed at your responses would be an understatement

Are you saying, from the above, that Cain and Abel were not worshipping God and had no knowledge or relationship with God?
They were before Enosh

Don't mind Petra1 and his pass down interpretations, he gobbled up without verifying it first

Genesis 4:26 , is another of those verses favoured for dirty interpretations.

What I would like to see is Petra1's exegesis on how he concluded and attributed Genesis 4:26 to say:
"At one time men didn't know about praying or worship or personal relationship with God . But in the days of Enos God granted man the understanding. And it became part of Godd principles for us" sic.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by MuttleyLaff: 4:06pm On Dec 23, 2017

plainbibletruth:
I will shortly answer you BUT I'm seriously considering putting up a thread titled either:
Petra1 MONIKER HAS BEEN COMPROMISED! or
IS Petra1 MONIKER USED BY A NUMBER OF PERSONS?

You will know why later.

The latter is more the case. Remember we've had a similar incident on this road with the other user ID before.

It is overzealous family/church members who sometimes jump on his laptop/mobile devices/PC and without logging out his Petra1 account, start firing off responses to any post directed at the Petra1 ID.

Celebrities › Re: This Picture Has A Million And One Meanings…can You Describe It? by MuttleyLaff: 6:46pm On Dec 22, 2017*

itspzpics:
This picture has a million and one meanings depending on how your mind is wired.
Can you describe it?
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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Sam Adeyemi's Daughter Sophie Bags Masters Degree In Law At Atlanta. Pics by MuttleyLaff: 8:51am On Dec 22, 2017

Seun:
If God existed, why would he enjoy listening to his children begging him to do things for them repeatedly for more than 10 minutes? I can’t stand more than 30 seconds of that shit. I fail to understand how God would not only tolerate it, but actually enjoy it to the point of deliberately not answering most of his childrens’ prayers so he could continue to listen to their endless begging.

If God existed, I fail to see why it would please him to see his children voluntarily starving themselves of the sustenance he so graciously provided them. What manner of parent would enjoy watching their kids starve? What manner of parent would favor children who regularly starved themselves in order to get their way?

You have seemingly valid arguments,
but then blighted it, with the amateurish performance, where you began with, doubting the existence of God
and then tried forming opinion(s) with reasoning based on those premise to back up your preconceived conclusion about the non-existence of God

Seun:
We believe the Bible because these men told us that it is the word of God.
If they are not truthful, how can we be sure that the Bible is the word of God as they said,
and not what it objectively looks like?

1) Objectively look at the bible
2) DIY read the bible
3) Read and study the bible a la Berean
4) Read and study the bible with regards to context
5) Reading the bible verse(s) in isolation or out of context is a complete no, no

If they are not truthful, how you can be sure that the Bible is the word of God as they said?
After practising the five above, it'll be like eating chicken or fish but spitting out the bones
Just like cows have enough sense to eat the hay and spit out the sticks

Christianity Etc › Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by MuttleyLaff: 11:44am On Dec 21, 2017*

petra1:
It was by right.
secondly the king still officially gave it to him
But Abraham only removed tithe and return the rest. It was under his control

Hmm, I salute you ooo
Mo gbedi, beri fun e oo
Which king are you talking of?
Is it king of Salem or the king of Sodom you're talking of?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by MuttleyLaff: 11:39am On Dec 21, 2017

dyydxx:
Thank you so much. will definitely try this out

Please keep me posted, because I was, I am serious,
and as all this, is borne out from personal tried, tested and good beautiful experience.

Just be alert, prepared and waiting patiently, ready to go through the gap of the window of opportunity when it slides open, for you to jump in to do it.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by MuttleyLaff: 10:00am On Dec 21, 2017*

dyydxx:
@Muttleylaff

God bless you. Honestly it gladdens my heart so see that we have berean christians in our midst who can do independent research and verify scriptures, holding fast to that which is good and true as the bible admonishes. I'm very happy we still have those that can see clearly the truth and the difference between religion and the gospel.

My mom na 'Mama Ijo'..lol (People's warden) of the church, infact she is the 'tithe enforcer' if I can describe it like that).
Her mindset is very firmly in the tithe tribe very much just like Petra1.
She will even tell you her personal experiences and conviction on how God has blessed her from being a faithful tither.
it's a tall order trying to convince a 65 year old woman

The consequences of this revelations or should I say unintended consequences is that how do people cope with the fact that they have believed a lie for decades, because they are in a limbo.
I believe that's the issue with Petra1 too, same thing that any sincere believer will have to wrsetle with after the truth dawns on his/her heart. what do they do? in Petra1 case, he might even be the one preaching and encouraging believers to tithe, and for years.
They would much rather hold on to the religion that get delivered from this kind of error.

Brother, I have been there, done that, even have the tithe T-shirt I bought
I was not bad, not worse, but was the worst.

I was so concerned, even beyond being pedantic, with minor details and "rules" about tithing
I remember, back in the day, making it my duty, and correcting the money counters, against mixing up tithes with the "offering"

My brother, we all have access to the same level of grace, power and faith
Whatever we make available to receive each and/or all is the amount we get to use
So in effect, most believers because of dirty and unholy doctrines are short-changing themselves and become victims of underutilisation

If, I were you, I will after, making her comfortable and much pampering, sit her down for a loving mother-son tete-a-tete and tell the following
It is wrong raining fire and brimstone from the pulpit, on believers who choose not to give mandatory tithe
It is wrong frightening believers who choose not to give regular specified percentage of their financial income , they're in danger of misfortune
It is wrong subjecting believers to tithe harangues because they default in tithe payment or choose not give tithe as a mandatory or obligatory giving
It is wrong going on at tithe, keeping on at it, keeping after it, like it's tirelessly done from and on the pulpit

and then after that, make a proposal for to give it a try to stop the ecclesiastical tithe for a three months trial
but to practice the principle in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above instead
and see whether she would or not experience, unexplainable diverse forms of blessings+breakthroughs

Tell her, it is a tried, tested and guarantee pass in flying colors thing,
that you a believer, is an evidence of one, who faithfully embarked on that journey,
that your life has never been the same since you broke free of the yoke and so never will go back to the vomit

Tell her that, after the 3 months trial period, if the experience is a painful, regrettable or bitter one,
you and I, as in her son and this her other son, your brother from another mother, for her lifetime,
will be remitting regular 10% of our financial incomes into her bank account or any charitible organisation of her choice

Christianity Etc › Re: What Daddy Freeze Won't Tell The Sheeples About Church Giving by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On Dec 21, 2017*

OkCornel:
Very good,
now do you know that giving away a portion of spoils of war to an authority has been an ancient Pagan tradition
even before Abraham did so to Melchizedek?
I will ask you this question again,did God instruct Abraham to pay Melchizedek or did Abraham do so out of his discretion?

¹⁸Then Melchizedek, king of Salem, brought out bread and wine;
he was a priest to God Most High
¹⁹He blessed him and said:
Abram is blessed by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth,
²⁰and I give praise toab God Most High who has handed over your enemies to you.
And Abram gave him a tenth of everything

²²But Abram said to the king of Sodom,
"I have raised my hand in an oath to Yahweh, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth,
- Genesis 14:18-20, 22

Abraham was obligated by the customary law of those times that required the victor of fighting a battle to give 10% of the war spoils to a king cum priest of good repute
The other significant reason why Melchizedek was Abraham's preferred choice to hand over the tithe to, in accordance with this mandatory
customary practice, was BECAUSE of the common denominator fact that, they both share THE SAME belief in God Most High

OkCornel:
Very very good, the Bible verse you quoted has described what exactly should be tithed.
How does this now translate into 10% of monthly salary of people who are not into farming or rearing of livestock?

The 10% of monthly salary of people is an ecclesiastical tax
It was birthed after much deliberations at the Council of Tours and Council of Macon and grown to be what we see today

OkCornel:
Gold and silver here figuratively means your monthly income in cash.
Why are the Patropreneurs preaching this false doctrine?

But Peter said,
"I don't have any silver or gold for you.
But I'll give you what I have.
In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, get up and walk!"
- Acts 3:6

Dont waste your breath, as Petra1 knows what "gold and silver" means but he's just playing hide and seek

OkCornel:
Asides the Children of Israel, were Christian gentiles in the days of the Apostles also required to pay tithes?

The mandate to give or duty pay to tithe was exclusive only the Israelites (i.e. Children of Israel)
Foreigners in Israel, and/or Christian gentiles in the days of the Apostles ARE UNDER NO obligation to practice the commanded tithe giving

OkCornel:
Wrong!
Tithes are to consumed by the giver of the tithes, the Levites with no inheritance, the widows and orphans, and stranded aliens.
According to the scriptures, is tithe money (gold or silver or cash) or is it foodstuffs?

All tithes, back to back, has never been money
It always has been war spoil stuffs, agricultural produce or foodstuffs
Wherever and/or whereever it is money, this is transient,
because as soon as possiby can, it immediately is converted or changed back to agricultural produce or foodstuffs

OkCornel:
Very wrong again, God did not instruct Abraham to pay anything.
Abraham gave out a part of the spoils of war to a recognized authority which has very much been the practice in the ancient pagan world

Petra1 already has been made aware of this
but it hasnt yet sunk in with him

OkCornel:
Do not replace God's standard for tithing with Abraham's voluntary discretion as the standard.
In Abraham's time, God did not give a clear instruction on what should be tithed.
Now that God gave clear instructions to Moses on what should be tithed, are you preaching that God's standard for tithing be disregarded for the voluntary and discretionary basis used by Abraham?

Abraham tithing wasnt even voluntary and discretionary

Abraham, simply was following a customary practice that needed to be carried after successful win(s) of fighting a battle or war.

Abraham gave tithe under a custom law of that prevailing society setting,
this compelled him to give a tenth of war spoils to a king cum priest of considerable or worthwhile repute

The first appearance of tithing, in the bible, does get a first mention between Melchizedek and Abraham
however, the truth is, neither Melchizedek and Abraham started the 10% giving otherwise known as tithing,
As a matter of fact, tithing was a prevailing practice in the secular world of the Mesopotamia bible day times of that era

Abraham didnt take up arms and go into battle again, so there was no reason for Abraham to tithe again,
and so no reason to tithe to Melchizedek or to any other local ruler cum priest worthy of consideration
This is why there is not another mention of Abraham repeating an act of giving tithe again

OkCornel:
Just like tithing, animal sacrifice is also a principle that predates the Law.
If Jesus never opened his mouth to condemn and abolish animal sacrifice,
why are you not doing it as part of the implied requirements in His discussion with the Pharisees in Matthew 23 v 23?
Tithe is lucrative and unlike animal sacrifice, it isnt bloody, that is why

It was under the present circumstances, that Jesus says to tithe, not after
The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, that they tithe
but when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility for them to do it, is no longer required

Tithe was dead upon the victory at Calvary
but the final nail in the tithe coffin was when the temple got roughly and abruptly destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD

If you say Jesus has fulfilled the requirements of the Old Covenant,
is tithing not part of the Old Covenant requirements replaced by sacrificial giving which would be the basis of separating the Goats from Sheeps in Matthew 25 v 31-46?

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

The lack of faith in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above is obvious

If Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth here, now, just for second, He will condem tithing
He will frown at ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income
He will ask:
Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

dyydxx:
Excellent.
Did you notice Petra1 couldn't come up with any kind of rebuttal. God bless you my bro

OkCornel:
Thanks bro...it's well.

These people know the TRUTH, but they'll twist the scriptures to support a false doctrine.

I wonder what makes them any different from the serpent that deceived Eve.

May God Almighty save us from all these sort of false doctrines. Amen

dyydxx:
They all know the truth but since it's a cash cow they would never give it up but continue in it.
Also, since many Christians have grown up with this misguided doctrine, some especially for decades...
it has now become almost impossible to get rid off.
Even many sincere Christians have come to somehow believe this tithing facade. it's really sad.

My mom, a very devout Anglican christian, will tell you she has seen the blessings of God in her life because of tithing,
and so it even becomes more difficult to even convince them otherwise that whatever blessings they are experiencing is definitely not because of any misguided tithing.
This has made the whole situation very complicated.
You will see sincere believers tell you they have since the fruits of tithing and are somehow convinced it's God's will.
The matter tire me.

dyydxx, the tithing subtle difference, which keeps getting lost on the tithe tribe, is the term obligatory or imposed

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that believers cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, which is dead with the law
and so believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

The tithe tribe dont appreciate or recognise the nuance in tithe or tithing,
which is tithe could be religious, demanded, taxed, obligatory or imposed
Ecclesiastical tithe is performing something imposed and so consequently is a religious duty

Anyone giving imposed tithing is practising a religion, that God our Father doesnt accept as pure and faultless
(i.e. refer to James 1:27 for details)

Correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

dyydxx, ask your Mom to stop the ecclesiastical tithe for a three months trial
but to practice the principle in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above instead
and see whether she would or not experience, unexplainable diverse forms of blessings+breakthroughs

This is a tried, tested and guarantee pass in flying colors thing, a believer, once faithfully embarked on that journey, will never go back to a vomit

petra1:
How far will you go?
So you will legalize INCEST now just because of this tithe issue.
You Already insulted Abraham tithe and claim his tithe was nothing spiritual but common carnal tax.
Until we reminded you of Jacob . You said he didn't give. How far are going to rubbish the sacred word of God

MuttleyLaff:
It sounds like insult and a huge lie
but it actually is true that the tithe Abraham gave Melchizedek was a customary tax (i.e. tithe of war spoils) that battle victors are obliged to give to a king cum priest that's of good repute
This is a historical fact
I didnt class it as common, you did, not me

petra1:
Did I see the post in the first place?. I will read and respond.

dyydxx, I dont think Petra1's response to OkCornel's, will be any different to a similar remark like the above which he earlier made at me
I have reproduced it again below:

You already insulted Abraham tithe
and claim his tithe was nothing spiritual but common carnal tax.
Until we reminded you of Jacob
- © petra1

Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 12:25pm On Dec 20, 2017

plainbibletruth:
I have said it before; WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW.

It is the NEW that interprets the OLD. The NEW replaced the OLD. The NEW SUPERCEDES the OLD.

petra1:
That means christians can practice bestiality.

What an abhorrent thing to suggest bestiality or even to think about it

So you've jettisoned incest,
and it's bestiality that's now taken to your fancy

You're behaving like a desperate person who fell into a river but is clutching on whatever straw is in sight, trying to save himself from drowning

Didn't you read plainbibletruth's properly?
Plainbibletruth wrote:
WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW

Now, Petra1, for you to thoughtlessly say, that means Christians can practice bestiality, please tell us Petra1, was bestiality ever required in the old, in order for it to be clearly stated in the new, for Christians, or anyone else for that matter to practice it?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 6:39am On Dec 20, 2017*

petra1:
How far will you go?

I earlier replied that common sense will tell you this isn't advisable
so how do you mean "how far will you go"

petra1:
So you will legalize INCEST now just because of this tithe issue.

Please stop this straw man
For your information, the apostles, Paul, to be precise, did preach against incest

petra1:
You Already insulted Abraham tithe and claim his tithe was nothing spiritual but common carnal tax.

It sounds like insult and a huge lie
but it actually is true that the tithe Abraham gave Melchizedek was a customary tax (i.e. tithe of war spoils) that battle victors are obliged to give to a king cum priest that's of good repute
This is a historical fact
I didnt class it as common, you did, not me

petra1:
Until we reminded you of Jacob. You said he didn't give.
How far are going to rubbish the sacred word of God.

Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, we know what he gave as tithe, when, where and how.
The Israelites paid tithes to the Levites, we know what they gave as tithes, when, where and how.

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

But when you're asked to kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to, we get no reply from you, you just clam up and go into silent mode

You have no biblical verse to support your spurious claim that Jacob paid that
and refuse to talk or reply when you're asked to confirm whether you're saying its at or in Genesis 28:22b that Jacob paid tithe

petra1:
I salute

That's right.
The thought or chance of scoring a genetic disorder, for a start, is a good enough reason to deter or put one off doing it

petra1:
There was already a pattern. All through ages. And Paul said Christ instructed to apply it for ministers . The manner it was in the sanctuary .
its tithe and offerings

⁶And now, dear brothers and sisters, we give you this command in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Stay away from all believers who live idle lives and don’t follow the tradition they received from us.
⁷For you know that you ought to imitate us. We were not idle when we were with you.
⁸We never accepted food from anyone without paying for it.
We worked hard day and night so we would not be a burden to any of you.
⁹We certainly had the right to ask you to feed us, but we wanted to give you an example to follow.
¹⁰Even while we were with you, we gave you this command:
“Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.”
¹¹Yet we hear that some of you are living idle lives, refusing to work and meddling in other people’s business.
¹²We command such people and urge them in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and work to earn their own living
- 2 Thessalonians 3:6-12

I'll show you pattern
Look at the underlined, in 2 Thessalonians 3:6-12 above, for the traditions and example pattern Paul expects be followed

petra1:
Burnt offering is sin offering. It's a shadow of Christ. God must have instructed him on it.

SMH.
Why are you for dear life, clinging and hanging on to offering then?

You choose to forget that I brought up:
"Burnt offering done by Abel, was done before the law, so why aren't you harping that it is an everlasting principle, like you always say about tithing, and demanding that it has to be continued and done in this modern age"

because and after you posted:
"Offering is offering, tithe is tithe, alms giving is alms giving, free will giving is free will giving either under the old or new.."

petra1:
Thanks for the honesty. It is a sin. But it's only in the law you get to know.
That should be enough for us to thread this demonizing Gods law with caution in the name of high revelation.
We need to know recognize the shadow which had been fulfilled in Christ and the principles which transcends ages.
If we can't marry our sisters or a widower marry his daughter.
It is enough for us to know that we can't throw away everything mentioned in the law.
Paul quoted the law many times to Christians because of the principles he upholds there.

There is a superior and better principle that nullifies and renders the value of obligatory mandatory tithes of any form powerless and ineffective

In the bible, just like in the physical, some principles have the power to cancel out the effect of another principle.
This happens when the canceling principle is superior and better than the cancelled out principle

petra1:
Anybody who doesn't want to tithe is free by his personal choice
but should not condemn who does because it is based on understanding and conviction.

If you mean this, then stop raining fire and brimstone from the pulpit, on believers who choose not to give tithe
Stop frightening believers who choose not to give regular specified percentage of their financial income
Stop subjecting believers to tithe harangues because they default in tithe payment or choose not give tithe as a mandatory or obligatory giving
Stop going on at tithe, keeping on at it, keeping after it, like you tirelessly and lately have been doing for the past one or so months

petra1:
Romans 14:5-10 (KJV)
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord:
whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
But why dost thou judge thy brother?
or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

You failed to recognise that the Romans 14:5-12 you quoted above, was drawing attention to the Law of Liberty
(for an example: freedom from the payment of 10% of financial income done under compulsion)

You also failed to see that Romans 14:13-23 that came afterwards it, uses the Law of Love to settle and put to rest any acrimony on both sides of a tithe divide

So Petra1 make up your mind,
not to put any tithe stumbling block or the regular payment of 10% of financial income ecclesiastical tax obstacle, in your brother’s way.

Christianity Etc › Re: So All The Proponents Of Tithe Cannot Answer This Simple Question by MuttleyLaff: 6:39am On Dec 20, 2017

petra1:
Beautiful. It is as simple as that. I asked them about incest.
They all agreed it is wrong to marry your siblings.

Cain married his sister
Revered Abraham married his sister

Like the other time I replied you,
the reason why incest got discontinued by God, is to guard against genetic disorders, as the DNA pool has begun to degenerate.

petra1:
But the New Testament never said anything about it

Hmm, smh, there is God ooo Petra1
Are you 110% sure the New Testament never said anything about incest?

petra1:
Should we practice incest because it was not a topic in the epistles.
Non of them were able to honestly answer

Hmm, smh again, there is God ooo again Petra1
Are you sure no one honestly and frankly answered?

Goshen360:
Why are you lying?

The thing tire me sef
I was shocked and surprised as much as you too

Goshen360:
Which new testament never said anything about incent..? What's wrong with you?
Don't you know incent is fornication and the bible people of those days understand such?

You are not to have sexual relations with your father's wife.
It's your own father's unclothedness.
- Leviticus 18:8

In short, it is reported that there is fornication among you;
fornication such as this which is not even named among the pagans:
As far as a son that would take his father's wife..
- 1 Corinthians 5:1

Maybe we should just let Petra1 be, so he can continue believing that Paul never in 1 Corinthians 5:1 talked about incest

petra1:
why all the unnecessary strong languge.
you get so carried away like a little child when you feel you have scored a point out of many misses.

the bible clearly distinguish fornication from incest

The man and step-mom collabo, in 1 Corinthians 5:1 above, is incest and fornication

petra1:
Every sincere person should know my point. Can a christian marry is sibling?

Give it a rest.
"Can a christian marry is sibling" is attacking a straw man

Goshen360:
You are not making ANY point.
I made a BOLD STATEMENT against your comments so pick up your concordance and study fornication.
You will know fornication is an INCLUSIVE word just like many words of the bible ARE INCLUSIVE WORDS.
Stop spreading lies because you want to defend tithe.
It's a wrong statement just like MANY OTHERS you've been saying that incent is not taught or mentioned in the new testament,
that's what I'm opposing that statement.

Dont mind Petra1 jaare
We see how Paul categorically, publicly and clearly, for all to see, gives a piece of his mind concerning what he thinks of incest as whether it is something for believers to practice or not
but nowhere, not even in an extremely small amount, does Paul categorically, publicly and clearly, for all to see, gives a piece of his mind
concerning what he thinks of tithe, as whether it is something for believers to practice or not

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Christianity Etc › Re: In The Beginning There Was An End. by MuttleyLaff: 8:37am On Dec 19, 2017*

Sarassin:
My apologies dear friend, I was not in fact referring to the slight alteration you made earlier,

it simply transpired that I had not seen/read the subsequent paragraph beneath it

Try sweeping a finger along posts, next time, as you read them, should fix that

Sarassin:
and I simply assumed it had been added on later, the error is entirely mine

"added on later" isnt edit then, that will be addendum
Edit would be change(s) made with the intention of producing a correct and accurate work
e.g. editing "was" to "wasnt"

Sarassin:
Aaargh please ...not old Idi Amin...

Sarassin:
Anyways. I think you gave it a good stab,
but for me, it is necessary to move away
from the confines of biblical interpretations in order to have a deeper understanding of what the “Tree of Life” is and what it stood for.

I know I can rely on you, to give more than a stab and leave the knife sticking halfway out after you're done grin

;
but your attention, always, is exclusively directed ONLY to the "Tree of Life"
as you pay, hardly at all, any attention to the "Tree of knowledge of good and evil"
Is it because you think the "Tree of knowledge of good and evil" is off the subject and that so, irrelevant?

Sarassin:
From my point of view
the Genesis creation monologue is “creation dumbed down” that is “creation for dummies”
it is simplistic and intended to convey as little as possible
and even the little that is conveyed is grossly misunderstood

I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food,
because you weren't ready for anything stronger.
And you still aren't ready
- 1 Corinthians 3:2

There is nothing wrong with the simplistic approach
considering the intention is to present non-intimidating entry-level introductory guides

"...intended to convey as little as possible" is a 1 Corinthians 3:2 safeguarding or precautionary measure(s)

Sarassin:
The Hebrew Tree of Life is a mystical symbol within esoteric Judaism used to describe the path to God.
It is an arrangement of ten interconnected spheres (each known as sephiroth),
they represent the main charted system of the Jewish Qabalistic tradition or Jewish cosmology if you will.
Only one of the ten spheres of the Tree of Life represents the physical existence that we can see, touch, hear, smell, and taste.

as I mentioned before, the Tree of life is considered to be a map of the universe,
as well as the psyche, the order of the creation of the Universe, (defined through the Ten words of creation) and a path to spiritual illumination.
But it does not end there, the Tree of life apart from describing the physical universe also goes on to give us Man’s place in the great scheme of things, and because Man is composed of mind and consciousness,
Man is positioned as the fruit of the physical world, through whom the original infinite Divine God can experience and express itself as a finite entity.

The Tree of Life is an ancient symbol, still used by different races and cultures.
For thousands of years, people everywhere have revered trees as a source of spiritual sustenance.
From the esoteric traditions of the people of the Caucasus who claim that their shamans gestate on treetops,
to the Buddhists, who contend that the Lord Buddha attained enlightenment under the Bodhi tree,
the imagery of trees figuratively served as an anchor for spiritual work.

Christianity is alone in the ridiculous contention that the Divine cast its creation from its own presence.

Once we know full well what we are referring to as the "Tree of Life" then everything else should fall into place.
Man was created perfect for Divine purpose.
The Tree of Life blooms in the centre of the mystical garden of Eden,
it functions as the organiser for all spiritual navigators, who can use its ever-present power to improve their lives
and climb their way closer to Divine presence.
For instance, to engender beauty in our lives it is necessary only to chant the name of God for Beauty
- Yod Hay Vav Hay Eloah Va Dat.

Through the Tree of Life, Man (and Woman) come to realisation of oneself and the universe as an expression of God,
and to commence the journey of return by stages charted by the Sephiroth, until Man is one with the Divine.

This is what we are told in the Book of Splendour.

In the midst of the street of it,
and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life,
which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month:
and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations
- Revelation 22:2

Man was created perfect, allegedly by Sarassin, for Divine purpose.
Agreed that the Divine purpose is to resolve a "situation problems"
but what is the guarantee that man really is or was created "perfect" for the Divine purpose to resolve a "situation problems"
and ultimately meet a need to fill back a vaccum?

Christianity Etc › Re: In The Beginning There Was An End. by MuttleyLaff: 8:37am On Dec 19, 2017*

MizMyColi:
Oh, Yes I would...

MizMyColi, the "Oh, Yes I would" response,
notched up the platonic love I have for you

MizMyColi:
I am the grand master of all creation.
Surely there's got to be a plan up my sleeve to reconcile all men to their pure state in divinity.

and what have you achieved by reconciling all men to their pure state in divinity with this plan?
What all along, was the purpose of the plan then?

MizMyColi:
I am clueless

Maybe just at the moment you are
but I dont think, it'll be for long
I love questioning, as you can see, from the last two above

MizMyColi:
Okay, you should take your time.

Thanks but taking my time wasnt necessary
I didnt want then, before I know how you answered or replied to the question, give a response.

Now back to:
"So, do we now conclude that God knew Man would eat of the forbidden tree,
and He looked the other way because it was a "necessary evil" to balance things out in the grand scheme of things?"
- © MizMyColi

MizMyColi, are examinations "necessary evils"?
Also remember that the Examiner/Teacher/Lecturer is always quiet in the exam hall during an examination.

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Christianity Etc › Re: In The Beginning There Was An End. by MuttleyLaff: 4:16pm On Dec 18, 2017

MizMyColi:
Oh, what was it about again?

Give a brutal and honest binary Yes or No answer
alternatively go for the "I cant possibly tell you/I dont know, I wouldn't know" easier optional answer

Here's the question:
Knowing yourself, knowing who you are, knowing who you be, knowing what you are
if you, for sake of a discussion, at the beginning, you were to be the Omnipotent and Omniscient
and having gone through all the permutations of eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil
will you, still go ahead with the idea of creating Man?

MizMyColi:
Speaking about situation problems, what could this possibly be?

Have a guess

MizMyColi:
So, do we now conclude that God knew Man would eat of the forbidden tree, and he looked the other way because it was a "necessary evil" to balance things out in the grand scheme of things?

I will but just not now, won't respond to all these yet

Christianity Etc › Re: In The Beginning There Was An End. by MuttleyLaff: 2:41pm On Dec 18, 2017

MizMyColi:
Exactly.
That led me to query if man has an inherent disobedient nature....maybe inherently curious fits more aptly.

Recall, I previously posited, it's strongly evident, that there were "situation problems"

and that the "situation problems" encouraged the Godhead to propose creative efforts to solve them

The creation of Man, is the lead part of the solution,
not just only to solving the "situation problems"
but also to meet a vacuum that needed replaced or filled back in

I also said, Man is NOT happenstance, rather is the product of a well-thought-out plan
hence the earlier reference or use of necessity is the mother of invention

Pardon me, once I start nattering, it takes a lot of effort to check myself and stop.

So cycling back to your query, about if man has an inherent disobedient nature....
maybe inherently curious fits more aptly.
My reply to that is, possibly, the proof of the pudding is in the eating

We really ought to examine Genesis 2:9 properly.
Notice that "pleasing to the eyes and good for food" aren't attributes exclusive to the tree of good and evil only. They applied to all the other trees too

Curious to see if you will attempt to answer the same question I asked Sarassin and LoJ above.

Christianity Etc › Re: In The Beginning There Was An End. by MuttleyLaff: 1:43pm On Dec 18, 2017

MizMyColi:
yes, it's interesting,
and illuminating in some way.

Makes you wonder, doesnt it,
about why wasn't the other tree tucked away in a corner of the garden, that's out of sight and where few people will easily stumble upon on it

Christianity Etc › Re: God Himself Convinced Me Tithing Was Right - Pastor Adeboye by MuttleyLaff: 1:34pm On Dec 18, 2017

Joagbaje:
As much as i don’t agree with muttleylaff post . But he didn’t do wrong . It’s allowed to quote from a post the area of your interest or concern . He doesn’t have to quote entire post just as you are not under obligation to quote entire chapter of the Bible but the verse or the line of your interest

Empiree:
this is not edit he made

I dare you to repost here "... the edit he made" sic

Christianity Etc › Re: In The Beginning There Was An End. by MuttleyLaff: 12:56pm On Dec 18, 2017

MizMyColi:
Okay, it's clearer now that you mention "The middle"

I'm aware that the garden was filled with all kinds of trees.

Isn't it interesting that,
we know what these trees are
and that they are identified as prominently placed in the centre of the garden

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Christianity Etc › Re: So All The Proponents Of Tithe Cannot Answer This Simple Question by MuttleyLaff: 12:02pm On Dec 18, 2017

petra1:
I gave you the answer from the word of God straight . What can be more authentic than the Bible answer .

God rebukes the devourers
Windows.of heaven opens
Blessings poured in

These aren't blessings exclusive to those giving ecclesiastical obligatory mandatory specified percentage tithes only now

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