₦airaland Forum

TooMuchStuff:
Keeping embarrassing your calling while the country burns by Buhari people just because you want to be President after Buhari.
No Hausafulanikanuri Muslims of the Northern region would genuinely support you with the New social order put in place by BuhariApc since 2015.

Nobody killed Bishop Kukah for boldly speaking the truth to powers. God bless him.

I don't support politics on the pulpit so I would have thought he woud address this at a press conference or so.

His points are quite valid.

1. Tinubu is a force that has helped stabilize the yoruba race.

2. People with devious motives are trying so pathetically hard to tarnish the man's image just to destabilize he yoruba race.

3. No matter how hard they try, either for political or ethnic motives, they have failed and will continue to fail.

4. While Tinubu has no business contesting for presidency, his space as yoruba leader is well appreciated and respected.

5. His role in giving yoruba race some level of unity cannot be underscored. Unlike the disunity in some other tribes/races in the country.

6. Pastor Tunde Bakare should really desist preaching politics on the pulpit but stick to his calling. If truly God wants a pastor president, he'll orchestrate it.

That said, I really hope the uncouth will know that tarnishing Tinubu's image is a disservice to Yorubas, and being orchestrated by a certain ethno-political sect of people.

kenzysmith:
wizkid have always been jealous of davido. for he mind Burna stick to the plan stab him throat

Your lack of intelligence is almost mythical.

Can't imagie anyone still thinks as low as you.

Nazgul:
Some guys are really annoying.

If he gets sacked, he'll come online and start begging for money with various ridiculous lines.

A customer paid money to have some rest in your hotel, why can't you just let her be? If I were to be the manager, I'll sack that guy, cos he's clearly ruined the reputation of the hotel.

Responsible women will avoid that hotel.

Have you considered how many other women he has sent that same message too and were grateful he did?

Truth is there's a lot of craziness in this generation. There are so many babes who would find that message seductive. Unfortunately dude misfired to the wrong client.

Nigerian journalists and poor journalism. No details of the condition of his release. Was ransome paid to the abductors for their release?
Who paid? PFN or FG?+

If kidnap business has become this lucrative in Nigeria why won't bandits and terrorists keep increasing?

[quote author=Acehart post=97414212][/quote]God's favour and goodness is regardless of holiness or righteousness. It is to all men.

He blesses sinners and the righteous alike.
Abraham came from an idolatry home, yet he experienced God's favor and became God's friend.
Moses was as unholy as can be in Egypt yet he experienced God's favor.
There are even several psalms about God prospering the wicked and unjust.

Of course there are certain favors that God will choose those who are holy but not all his favours are towards only holy people.

general111:
Mr Op, that info is the pure truth..
The federal government are just trying to save the banks from further colapse.they have limited the amount of money mba can payout per day which is why they keep having issues paying peoples money..MBA is threatening to go to court as i speak now..
People no save their money in banks anymore, they take it to forex trading companies.

Why are you making excuses for them? MBAForex has never at any point claimed their inability to pay was as a result of govt limitation. Their claim is that it is due to their merger with a software coy.

What is interesting is how they keep postponing doomsday.

At first they told their investors the delay is btw 14-21 days, when the date came, the postponed it to a month.
When that came, they claimed that only investors that have been verified on their new online platform are being paid.

When people started updating their online accounts now they're claiming January

If this isnt another MMM, I wonder why it is looking very much like it.

Belexy95:
@OP, your title is misleading.
The last paragraph of what you put up said delayed payment and not unable to pay as you wrote.

Anyways, my wife and I got paid yesterday.

A proof of payment won't be too much to ask. Mind sharing? Of course clear any personal details you don't want to share.

[quote author= post=97346929]Omo Baba in the news again.
We will be waiting to hear your own side of the story Seun.

There are 3 sides to every story,
His side,
Their side and the TRUTH!
But the [b]TRUTH will always prevail at the end of it all. [/b]

Point of correction : His father actually, not grandfather.[/quote]Tell that to Fathers who raised the children of their adulterous wives. Or mothers who never knew their husbands had other falimies.

Truth only prevails when it is revealed. But sometimes the damage is already so bad even the truth cannot prevail.

Mgbadike80:
https://punchng.com/amotekun-combs-oyo-forest-goes-after-female-quarry-workers-abductors/

In this technology age, they want to be filling their way down the forest haphazardly when they could easily release some drones and get the location and then polarized their force.

sammy329:
@Myer 1 Tim 6:10 was never about believers loosing their salvation, it was about believers loosing their feet due to greed.

You claim to uphold true, biblical exegesis yet you deliberately quote scriptures out of context, you are the one making a bible eisegesis

How did I read my own meaning into it.
Let's delve deeper into the sane chapter so you can see the conclusion, maybe the context would clarify this discussion.

Timothy 6:18-21
18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.

19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,

21 which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. Grace be with you.

In Summary;
Verse 18 once again reiterates the emphasis on good works.
Verse 19 states clearly that they MAY take hold on to eternal life. Meaning they may also not attain it if they stray.
Verse 20 explains that false doctrines creep into the faith.
Finally Verse 21 clearly states that some have strayed from the faith. If you were to explain that, what does it mean?

sammy329:
I use different bible version, to help you in your comprehension, English is not too hard naaah

The errors inherent due to multiple bible translations is a discussion for another day.

I'll show you how two different translations of the same bible verse stated direct opposites.

sammy329:
I tell you, He will defend and protect and avenge them speedily. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find [persistence in] faith on the earth? Luke 18:8 Amplified version

At least amplified version should help you better, the faith in that context was talking about persistent in prayer.

Whether persistent of inconsistent faith, the import is they would have lost faith.

Using different versions of the bible to get your desired meaning will only create further omplications in your eisegesis. You will end up reading your own meaning into scriptures instead of accepting the obvious exegesis.

That said, my intention is not to convince you but simply to share what the bible says. It's your choice to do your own study as the Bereans and either accept or reject it.

Also, the other references in Hebrews (Willful sins) and Timothy (Greed) both confirm salvation can be lost.

Revelations 20:12 also confirms that everyone is going to be judged according to their works not their faith.

But what always causes this confusion is there are also scriptures that seems to confirm that salvation cannot be lost so I do understand your resistance.

sammy329:
Oya read for your self oooo, where did Jesus said a believer can lose salvation.

Luke 18:1-8 (KJV) And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.
And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Re-read my last response. Modified and clarified for your comprehension.

sammy329:
All those scriptures you quoted that believers can lose their salvation is totally out of place.


Using Luke 18:8 to justify that, is totally ridiculous, Luke 18:1-8 was a parable used by Jesus to encourage prayer

Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to teach them that they should always pray and never become discouraged. Luke 18:1.

Apart from that, how can you use parable as a source of doctrine

Luke 18:8 is an intermediary between the two parables. Where Jesus explained the moral of the parable he had just shared.

You would have noticed this if you paid attention to details.

Parables are to teach spiritual truths using natural illustrations.

Jesus shared the parable to teach faith in prayer.
Then he questioned if men will still have faith or if they would have strayed as a result of unanswered prayers. I hope that helps you understand how it relates to loss of salvation now.

Good question.

But we know they're working for the same govt (northern politicians) so how can they be arrested.

madegreatbygrace:
Those who are believers wouldn’t turn traitor and betray Christ. According to John 6:64 , Judas was among those that didn’t believe.

This unbelief led to betrayal.

Time revealed what was actually in Judas’ heart, and who his real master was.


“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭2:19‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So his case was not a picture of a swan becoming dirty, but of a pig that never left the mud.

Everyone is supposedly a pig that needs Christ to become clean. Maybe you are the exception who is perfect.

You forget that all the disciples deserted Jesus when he was captured.

Was that not betrayal?

But he forgave them knowing they're only human.

They even forsook the gospel and went back fishing when he was killed because they never understood.

Until the journey at Emmaus when he appeared to some of them and opened their understanding. Luke 24:13-31

madegreatbygrace:
“for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭19:10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

You can see how Jesus used the word “lost” here.

Lost means unsaved. Never saved for once.

Unless you want to give it a different meaning that fits your narrative.

Obviously, your ignorance of simple Bible texts is abysmal.

This is exactly why you keep misinterpreting the scriptures.
How can you compare the use of lost in both contexts?

“for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭19:10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

JOHN 17:12  12 “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Let's not forget what this discussion is about- that someone who was once saved can be lost either
- through willful sins Hebrews 10:26-27
- through greed (love of money) 1 Timothy 6:10
- through loss of faith Luke 18:8

This was also confirmed by the apostles Paul and Peter in their epistles when some of their followers strayed from the faith.

genkins:
both of them are important but your spirituality cannot earn you heaven.faith without works is of no use.works without faith is better.you speak in toungues yet your heart is wicked,you fast and pray every 12 hours yet you cannot help the down trodden.accordiing to scripture,it is only your works that will earn you a place in heaven.

Intriguing coincidence. Just last week I was discussing this here.

Paul teaches that Faith is all that matters, not works. Romans 3:28

While James teaches that Faith without works is dead hence it is both the faith and the works that matter. Jane's 2:26

So it goes on to show the confusion is as a result of the contradiction of both scriptures.

lkillbrokehoes:
I'm glad he's no longer a dead beat dad, you did well wizzy

Buying the most expensive game for his child doesn't mean he's not a deadbeat dad.
Being there as a father figure for the child is what makes him a real dad.

madegreatbygrace:
I think you’re a Bible illiterate really. Just listen to yourself.

He saved him and then lost him?

What!

What then is the role of a savior?

What does it mean to lose some one?

That means he was once saved.

I know it's difficult for you to admit you're wrong but your stubbornness only shows how hard it is for you to learn.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=97266417][/quote]Your interpretation of the bible is so juvenile, it feels like discussing with a kid.

Jesus chose and saved him like the others to be his disciple.

He lost him cos the scripture has to be fulfilled.

Kobojunkie:
Only those who first belong to His flock can be lost to Him.

The Pharisees, for example, never belonged to Jesus Christ to begin with, as they were not given to Him by His Father, so they were not lost to Him. Judas, in the other hand was given to Him meaning he, Judas, belongs in Christ's flock(i.e. was saved and bestowed with Eternal life as a result - He even partook in the last supper and I believe baptized as well), only that does not mean he, Judas, will enter Heaven along with the other 11.

You interprete the scriptures well. Unlike some who only want to see what their pastors tell them about the bible.

sammy329:
You are already contradicting your self by going against the bible inneracy.

The epistles are the final revelation of God's work, the words that Jesus wanted to reveal but couldn't reveal because his audience were immature has been reveal to us by the epistles.

John 16:12 (KJV) I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Don't forget that Jesus only spent a limited time on earth. You also need to consider the bible as whole, not the notorious cherry picking that you are doing.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You mean to say what was revealed through the Holyspirit contradicts what Jesus taught?

Cleqrly you need to spend more time reading than arguing.

He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. John 16:14

madegreatbygrace:
Don’t give your own interpretation to Jesus’ statement.

He lost him because he didn’t gain him.

How’s a man saved ?

He hears the gospel. He believes the gospel with his heart the gospel. Then he’s saved.( Romans 10:9)

Simple as a.b.c.

Jesus often used another terminology for saved.

Clean.

“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

What made them clean(saved)was the word which they heard and believed.

Was Judas saved?

Jesus gave the answer.

“Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” For He knew who would betray Him; therefore He said, “You are not all clean.””
‭‭John‬ ‭13:10-11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

That’s it!

All are saved with the exception of Judas.

Judas did believe in Jesus but was tempted by his love of money exploited by the Pharisees to betray Jesus.

Judas like each of the other disciples was saved but still had his flaws. None of them was perfect. Peter betrayed Jesus by lying and denying him thrice. Thomas doubted the resurrected Christ. Jesus occasionally got angry at their unbelief and lack of understanding, etc.

Judas was saved just like the other disciples. I mean how can Jesus choose and call someone by himself and you say he was not saved

madegreatbygrace:
Was Judas saved?

How do you know if someone is saved?

Well, Jesus himself acknowledge that he lost him. Meaning he was saved but he lost him for the scripture to be fulfilled. John 17:12

jesusjnr2020:
I am a miracle myself.

God didn't need to do a miracle outside for me to believe in miracles. He did a miracle in me. And I can't believe myself that I am now who I am, because it's a miracle that only God could have done.

God bless.

Simple question, yet you chose to be evasive.

Typical cliches your pastors feed into your head because no signs follow them to prove they're followers of Christ. Mark 16:17

Did Jesus himself not say people wont believe without signs? John 4:48
And for that he and his disciples performed lots of signs and wonders.

But the average Christian keeps repeating the same evasive cliches above cos they have no signs.

Abudu2000:
Boyz become men , if u watched silent night that year

Above The Law was the classic for me.

How fine flies. Boys2men indeed.

BluntNigerian:
With time, the NIN Synchronisation will be fully completed for all the phone numbers in existence, meaning that every phone number in existence belongs to a known human being, and information about the owner of the phone number can be easily retrieved from the NIN Database, would the Network Providers still continue to be doing Number Recycling?
..
I need expert responses please.

You're just looking for excuse which you won't find.

It's an understandable measure considering the number of fraudulent and unsolicited calls.

Number recycling is not an issue since the record is with the telecomms coy.

sammy329:
Paul's writings are renowned for emphasizing that we are saved by grace, through faith, and without any contribution from our good deeds. James does not dispute this; rather, this entire passage is James's discussion of what kind of faith is "saving faith." James's point is that faith alone saves, but the faith which saves is the kind which leads to good works. That's why James was talking about helping brother in need from Jam. 2:1-10. Paul emphasizes our eternal salvation in God, James highlights how our actions prove the nature of our faith.
The fact that these two men are in agreement is shown in other similarities. For example, both Paul and James quote Genesis 15:6. Paul quotes it in Romans 4:3 as part of his teaching that salvation is available only through faith. James quotes it here in support of his teaching that genuine faith always leads to good works. James and Paul present arguments which do not contradict, but rather complement each other.

You know how to defend the bible, I give you that.
But you can't deny the obvious and blatant contradiction here.

sammy329:
Romans 3:28 (KJV) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 4:5-8 (KJV) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Yea it's by faith alone, but the believer will good exhibit good works because of the indwelling of the spirit within him.

James 2:14-26
What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?
Can such faith save him?
Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.
If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it?
In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless 
Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.



That's what I meant by the scripture contradicting itself.
You have rightly shared scriptural reference that Faith alone justifies the believer. Roman's 3:28

But I have likewise rightly shared scriptural reference that Faith without works is dead. James 2:26

sammy329:
The scriptures explains itself, they are not contradictory we just need to correctly handle the word of truth. Real bible study is tasking it takes a lot of time, but the problem nowadays is that we are doing Bible searching not Bible study.

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 2 Tim. 2:15

Ok. What does the bible say about Faith and Works?

Can your faith alone take you to heaven or is it by your faith and works?

sammy329:
2Tim. 2:18-19 in context was about the false doctrine of hymaneaus and philetus.

1Tim 6:9-10 doesn't talk about believers loosing their salvation.

Salvation is eternal, there are many verses that speaks about that.
Hebrews 10:14 (KJV) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

This scripture doesn't contradict itself, we just need to divide the word of the truth correctly.

But the same scripture says those that stray from the faith, those that commit sin wilfully can't escape judgment.

That's why I say the scriptures are quite self contradictory which explains the many confusion in the body of Christ.