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jesusjnr2020:
Kindly quote where "the promise" was made to Noah if you're not lying and just trying to find fault where there's none.

By now you should know I give you facts of the scriptures and not fictions.

Genesis 8:21-22

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

That means whether through flood or what not, he will never again destroy earth.
If you spend more time studying your bible than arguing you will know these secrets that are only revealed to those who have given time to scriptures.

shadeyinka:
..and no more sea cannot be this current world
Rev 22:5: "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun ; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

You'll only confuse yourself more with these visions and prophecies.

There are several such prophecies and visions by Isaiah and Jeremiah. Doesn't mean it has happened.

Akube1z:
Yes.
We need to seek for the mercies of God. we need to seek for God in our life . The Bible is different from the modern day . We aren't Righteous like those in the Bible.

Lol where did you read that they were more righteous?

The world has always been full of unrighteousness. Even in the time of Jesus, his own disciples were unrighteous.when he met them

In fact the people even chose Barabbas over Jesus.

shadeyinka:
It means there will always be s place called the earth where people will live. This doesn't violate

Rev 21:1: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

In the new earth, there would be no night for God will be their light

Don't confuse yourself with the visions in revelation.

Those visions were not time bound. Some of the events were even before earth was formed.

The new heaven and earth probably referred to after the flood.

Akube1z:
Six ways you can seek for the Mercy of God

1) You must accept God as your Lord and personal saviour. You must be with God , So the Lord can be with you.

2) You must believe in God, Jesus, , holy spirit and God's messengers

3) You must be Merciful to people, poor people etc

4) You should love mercy, walk humbly and do jusly

5) You must learn to forgive

6) Be thankful to God, by Praising and worshipping Him.

Romans 9:13-19
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." 
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"

Omooba77:
Why do men repeat same error in the Bible?

It's human/sin nature.

Roman's 7:15-20
For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

shadeyinka:
Never be destroyed by another flood!

That's true but you forget his promise before that.

Genesis 8:21-22

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

That means whether through flood or what not, he will never again destroy earth.

paxonel:
The belief of end of the world comes from colonial mentality. The truth is, the moment you die that's the end of your world, life continues after that. There is no place in the bible that suggest that this world will have a dramatic end . But rather,

Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

What is the field represent in this parable?
The field represent this world. Matthew 13:38

So, this world will never end.
A sensible reader will put these words together and think, and understand.

When any pastor today come to tell you that this world will have a dramatic end, he is not talking from the spirit of God, he is only assuming things away from scriptures.

Even the promise to Noah was that the world will never be destroyed.

Heaven and hell was invented to give people some level of conscience because there are some crimes that no amount of punishment seems fair enough.
Imagine some one like Hitler who masterminded the murder of millions of Jews. What punishment could seem fair for such crime?

The irony is that there's no proof of either heaven or hell other than the fact that they are mentioned in the bible, today and Koran.

Other religions don't even share the same sentiments. When a person dies, that's the end of it.

Before the advent of christianity and islam in Nigeria, our ancestors had their beliefs too which did not involve any heaven or hell.

What you see today is just like the bible said, there is a major falling away from biblical beliefs because over time people have come to find that it is not realistic.
There are those who had given their lives and service to biblical doctrines but ended up with nothing to point as their gain. In fact there is no difference between a devout Christian or muslim and an unbeliever.
Every one goes through the same challenges in life and occasional bouts of luck which cannot be attributed to anything other than fate.

So the idea that some people no longer believe in heaven or hell is not even novel but has been like that over the years. You should google the several times that people have been hoodwinked into donating all their property to the church all in the name of these end times preachers.

MuttleyLaff:
You aren't even man enough to own up to your mistake and bad learning. Was it not you above who typed that Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, huh?

Why are you unwilling to show on here in white and black, where the Bible stats that prophet Elijah, according to you, was take-in a chariot of fire, hmm? Instead of you to acknowledge you unnecessarily read more into the Bible, telling lies that Elijah went up in a chariot you're busy trying this pathetic attempt to brush your blunder under the carpet.

Will you just keep quiet. Whats the matter with you sef

John 21:23, is incontrovertible proof that Apostle John can never be argued to not die. The Bible never said Enoch and Elijah never died. In fact 365 years are the total number of years the Bible says Enoch lived. Now if Enoch did not die, then Enoch by now should be circa 6000 years old, nobi so?

Fyi, what Elijah in 2 Kings 2:11 and Philip. Acts 8:39, have in common, is the force that got hold of, snatched and lifted them away. Think of the force that parted the Red Sea, wide enough for the Israelites to walk on a dry sea bed to the promised land

If it makes you sleep well at night, please enjoy ignorantly aiding and abetting spreading all these your false and misleading information here on this thread, smh sigh

Why are you deviating?
Whether he was taken in a chariot of fire or whirlwind, which occurred simultaneously, the fact of the matter is that he did not die but was taken to heaven.

If you don't want to accept that, then write your own version of the bible with whatever twists and concoctions that make you happy.

Splinz:
I understand.

However, we are also enjoined to, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" II Timothy 2:15.

So it's not enough to just quote the Bible. Are you quoting it rightly?



Are you sure Elijah did not die? Can you prove it? After the "chariot of fire" incident, do you know where Elijah was taken to?

Be careful not to make assumptions. PROVE IT!

Whilst it is true that Elijah was indeed taken into heaven. The question is: WHICH HEAVEN?

Throughout the Bible, the word “heaven” is used to describe three locations: First, there is the atmosphere that envelops the earth; this is the first heaven. Next, the vast regions of outer space are collectively referred to as “heaven,” or “the heavens” (Psalms 115:16); this is the second heaven. Finally, the location of God’s throne is specifically called “the third heaven” by Paul (II Cor. 12:2).

Since no human being has ever ascended into the third-heaven - God's throne, even David is not in heaven (John 3:13, Acts 2:34), only two possibilities remain for Elijah;

1. Outer space

2. The atmosphere or clouds (1 Thes. 4:17)

We also know for a fact that human beings can't breath in space, so then, we are left with the ATMOSPHERE OR CLOUDS as the only option for Elijah. This is the only logical conclusion considering the facts.

Elijah was indeed taken into the atmosphere or clouds, supernaturally. Actually, he was transported to another location on earth, where he lived the remainder of his days in accordance with the Scripture. Also note, clouds, as mentioned in 1 Thes. 4:17, are only a few miles above the earth. In fact, flying an airplane is in a sense, going to heaven.

Further proof that Elijah was transported to another location is this. Few years after he was taken away, Elijah wrote a letter to Jehoram, king of Judah, rebuking him for his evil ways (II Chron. 21:12). Of course, this can only happen on Earth, not in heaven!

Regards.

No where in the bible was it stated that Elijah was translated to another location.
What was stated was that he was taken to heaven. His next mention was in the book of Malachi 4:5 which says that he would return which Jesus confirmed was John the Baptist.

That Elijah wrote a letter in 2 Chronicles 21:12 does not mean it was a later date after he was taken to heaven.
If you've ever read the books of Chronicles you would have observed that events already documented in the books of Samuel and Kings were also repeated in Chronicles.

I'm glad you quoted the verse "...rightly dividing the word of truth." This is not to be mistaken for complicating scriptures but rather simplifying it.

it is not about what is written alone but how it is read and understood. Luke 10:26
2 Peter 3:15-16 Stop trying to twist scriptures.

The bible states it in clear terms that Elijah was taken to heaven in 2 Kings 2:11.
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared aachariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and bElijah went up by acwhirlwind into heaven. 

There's nothing to argue here.

MuttleyLaff:
My dear sire, with the utmost respect, you're simply sharing what the Bible never explicitly stated nor implied. You sire, in fact, are regurgitating information, when put under the light, exposes bad learning

I dont know what Bible translation version you've been reading that states that prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire.

Sire, are you 10000% sure that 2 Kings 2:11-12, states that prophet Elijah never died, and to make this worse, are you also confidently saying that prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, huh?

Please kindly type out here, word for word, anywhere in the Bible, that states prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, lmso. Thank you in advance for granting this humble request

"¹⁹Jesus said this to tell how Peter would die and bring honor to God. Then he said to Peter, “Follow me!”
²⁰Peter turned and saw Jesus' favorite disciple following them (i.e. Apostle John)
He was the same one who had sat next to Jesus at the meal and had asked, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”
²¹When Peter saw this disciple, he asked Jesus, “Lord, what about him?”
²²Jesus answered, “What is it to you, if I want him to live until I return? You must follow me.”
²³So the rumor spread among the other disciples that this disciple would not die.
But Jesus did not say he (i.e. Apostle John) would not die.
He simply said, “What is it to you, if I want him (i.e. Apostle John) to live until I return?”
(i.e. However, Jesus did not say that he (i.e. Apostle John) would not die,
but only, “If I want him (i.e. Apostle John) to remain until I return, what is that to you?)"
- John 21:19-23

No where in the Bible is Enoch implied not dying or not to ever die. What happened was that, Enoch was made to die earlier than the coming death that happened 120 years, after his son Methuselah died. That was the death Enoch was taken away from and to not die from.

As for Apostle John, the disciple, the one whom Yahshua aka Jesus loved, he was the only one among the apostles, who died a natural physical death, as the other apostles died gruesome and extremely unpleasant deaths as martyrs.

John 21:23, is incontrovertible proof that Apostle John was never in the Bible implied to not die. All these your misinformation is nothing other than just the sae old rumour, that you 2000 years later, have fallen a victim to, and ignorantly aiding and abetting spreading this false information here on this thread, smh sigh

I wouldnt bother going into asking you why is it that, Yahshua aka Jesus, handed over the care of His mother, Mary into the hands of Apostle John, the disciple, the one whom Yahshua aka Jesus loved, and no other disciple/apostle, as I know, you'll defo won't understand the question enough to give the correct answer, lmso.

I think you like to read your own meaning into the bible otherwise there's no arguing whether or not Elijah was taken up after chariot of fire appeared. It was clearly stated in 2Kings 2:11.
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 

This is different from Philip. Acts 8:39
When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.

While Enoch and John the beloved can be argued, Elijah's case was clearly stated. He did not die.

Darnley:
Pls read my comment from the beginning of this thread.
Also read the following scripture and decide what to believe

Psalm89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? 
Rom.5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Psalm 82:6-7
6 have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Eccl.3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die;

Eccl.8:8 There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neitherhath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

1Kings19: 4 But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers. 

Elijah requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers. This is where Elijah signed his death warrant and granted by God.This is the reason God told him to anoint Elisha in his place

While it is appointed for every man to die. God made exception with Enoch, Elijah and John the Beloved according to the bible.

Just the same way an exception was made for Jesus to be born without an earthly father. God makes exceptions whenever he wants to.

MuttleyLaff:
C'mon even you too as well. Smh head

OK, oya, let's have this sorted out
1/ Where does the Bible say, Enoch and Elijah did not die, like the way every other normal people dies?
2/ Why wouldnt Enoch and Elijah die, just like every other normal people do die?
3/ What is the valid, legal and legitimate reason for Enoch and Elijah not to die, that has since after them hasn't been met that it be copied by others?
4/ What are Enoch and Elijah physiological make up, that qualifies them to be immortal, be indestructible, be deathless, lmso?

The bible clearly stated that Enoch was teleportedly taken away, a similar way Elijah and Philip were transported to a different location.

Death, is inevitable to all human beings. There is no exception to the long Genesis 2:17 - "....you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”"

I'm simply sharing what the bible stated.
Elijah never died but was taken in a chariot of fire. 2 Kings 2:11-12.

Enoch and John the Beloved not dying was implied and not as detailed as Elijah

Kobojunkie:
@Op, the second coming of Christ is not going to happen in your lifetime.

So, you should focus your energy instead on making sure you are born again and guaranteed a place in God's Kingdom for when your time comes!

Do you have any idea how many times God has supposedly come again?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture

naijablog1:
A man who with the handle “@HrhKingAlex” has taken to his twitter page to tell how the founder of the Living Faith Miinistries A.K.A Winners Chapel, Bishop David Oyedepo placed a heavy curse on his roommate when they were undergraduates.

Suprisingly, he said his “Cursed” friend is doing better than even they that were not cursed.

Read his post below…. https://80naija.com/bishop-oyedepo-placed-a-curse-on-my-roommate-cu-guy-is-living-his-best-life-now-friend/

Oyedepo has found a way to justify placing curses on the people he is supposed to bless.
The irony is that he has managed to pass this down to the both his pastors and members.
They call it holy anger.

I pity those who don't read their bible and only swallow hook line and sinker those whatever their pastor tells them.

Darnley:
In Genesis 5:22-24,
the bible say" And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.This statement has been misinterpreted to mean that Enoch did not died and was taken to heaven. But looking at the description of those who we believe died from verse 3 to 20 you will notice this expression "all his days" and it means that the person lived for that length of time only "and he died." the same was said of Enoch in verse 23 to mean Enoch died after he lived for 365years.
Also,the phrase "he was not" mean to say he died.Ithen Matt.2:17-18 Bible say, "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not ".
The verses above speak of the infants that were killed by the order of king Herod in a way to kill Jesus.
The scripture say,they are not meaning they died.How then do people say, Enoch did not die.reading Hebrew 11:1-13 you will find out that from Abel vs4 to Sarah vs12 of the genealogy of faith die as stated in verse 13.Enoch is inclusive.
Bible also say Enoch was translated,but what does translated mean

The original Greek word for "translate" is metatithemi.According to Arndt-Gingrich's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1969 edition, the primary meaning is to "convey to another place . . . transfer" (p. 514).

The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16. Here we read that after Jacob died his body was "carried over"—transported, translated—to Sychem where he was buried! That's what your Bible says! Jacob was transported or translated to the place of burial!

the Greek word for "carried over" in Acts7:16 is the same Greek word for "translate" in Heb.11:5 I.e G3346
That is why Moses said that God took Enoch. God removed—translated—him so that he was not found. God took Enoch and buried him,just as He did to Moses.

Some believe,he was taken to heaven,but Jesus said, in Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Nairaland,I need your opinion for or against

Enoch and Elijah did not die like normal people do.
While Elijah's case was clearly expressed, the bible did not share how Enoch was taken.

But it is believed that he was taken away and did not die.

KingAzubuike:
SARS can't and will never be ended. Their demise will cause more harm than good.

Even if it is not ended, a much needed reform must be effected.

osamz007:
The revolution is coming and they won't be able to contain it

Leave Ekpoma youths oh, they are just violent by nature.
In fact dem fit no even know what ENDSARS mean, their own na just to cause trouble.

flyingpig:
Comrade Adeyemi Azeez don kill this movement.

Shameless idiot without a ball between his legs he has never even protested against the continued lockdown of universities owing to ASUU strike, he is writing to IGP to discard people protesting for the safety of their lives.

A simp and bought willing tool. Nigerian students no get prestige again.

He has not killed any movement.
He has only killed his future as a voice of the youth.

This ENDSARS movement is not only driven by yahoo boys but by responsible youths who are been harassed daily simply because of their looks, even for having international phone number on your phone.

The real problem with SARS is that they are actually not interested in the cleaning up the society as they should but they just want to make money and rip off both the yahoo boys and innocent victims.

Na when dem hold you you go know say SARS is nobody friend but enemy of all.

I'm just glad this movement has gained international acclaim cos our govt like eye service so dem go do normal so that they can keep borrowing funds.

Abusadiq01:
Potential Atheist spotted!!!
Be warned!!!

What differentiates you from an Atheist when you go through the same issues, problems and blessings?

blacknp:
Who asked for your misconstrued opinion?

Are you so slow?
The moment you posted your issue on a public platform you already asked for public opinion.

You're just in denial cos my comment hit home.

Lukgaf:
Without doubt, we all depend on one another. By implication, we all have some debts to pay which often create grief and sadness in the heart. Meanwhile, it is recommended for a Muslim to say the following prayer to ease one of debts.

اللَّهُمَّ إِنِّي أَعْوذُ بِكَ مِنَ الهَمِّ وَالْحَزَنِ، والعَجْزِ والكَسَلِ، والبُخْلِ والجُبْنِ، وضَلْعِ الدَّيْنِ وغَلَبَةِ الرِّجَالِ

Allaahumma 'innee 'a'oothu bika minal-hammi walhazani, wal'ajzi walkasali, walbukhli waljubni, wa dhala'id-dayni wa ghalabatir-rijaali.

O Allah, I seek refuge in You from grief and sadness, from weakness and from laziness, from miserliness and from cowardice, from being overcome by debt and from being overpowered by men

Al-Bukhari 7/158.

Source: Doa & Zikr (Hisnul Muslim)

May Allah settle our debts and provide for our needs (Ameen)

One day you will get tired of all your religiosity when you realise that both you and unbelievers go through the same issues in life.

On that day you will denounce every religion and learn to live in your own terms.

fanenene:
So what is your take on this.

God does share his glory which was why he created man in his image and likeness in the first place. However, he does not want anyone to be worshipped except him.

aaking:
It does not contradict. When God say no other it means to ungodly people, unbelievers and those that serve other gods but He has given His own which are the saints because his own will not glory in the flesh .1 Corinthians 1 : 31 - That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord .
Ephesians 1 : 6 - To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
2 Corinthians 3 : 18 - But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

It means no other creature- living or non-living.

Even godly people should not share his glory which is why Paul and Peter cautioned those who saw the glory of god in them and began to worship them.

The bible is rife with such contradictions.

The fact remains that new testament and old testament contradict each other a lot which was why the Pharisees could not accept the doctrines that Jesus taught.

Another contradiction.

John 17:22-23 clearly points to the fact that God gives/shares His glory . While Isaiah 42:8 contradicts that.

saintneo:
Intelligent ladies. Ogbeni, village People don pick your call.

It's better to be silent than to talk then end up looking stupid.

Very intelligent. I can listen to her all day.

That she's a Trump supporter is an added bonus.

Referee, biko off your mic. Blow final whistle for chrisskes!

[quote author=ejighikemeuwa post=94596097][/quote]You could try explaining how sin can be unintentional instead of distressing with cheap rhetorics. I don't go that route.

OpenYourEyes1:
Assuming you visit a certain place or find an interesting website/article, you click on it and accidentally see image of seductively dress lady/man, and that quickly begins to remind you of past lust-filled life, you mistakenly begin to have all sort of sinful imagination about the seductively dressed lady/man. If you rebuke the imagination quickly and ask GOD for forgiveness because you have sinned, HE will forgive you, HE knows what happened to you was unintentionally and you were very willing to resist it. That is an example of GOD's grace on a born-again believer.

Some would abuse the grace by going ahead with the sin by masturbating, or going after the seductively dress lady/man, or search for someone else to commit adultery or fornication with. Such people are abusing GOD's grace by intentionally sinning.

Is there any unintentional sin?
Like you can mistakenly lie or steal or fornicate?

All sins are intentional.

SmartProf:
You don't need so much advertisement to sell a good brand. NOI is a global brand, and a fine intellectual with a very outstanding CV. Best wishes Madam. This one is not a fairly used quota system lawyer who couldn't scale through an ICC interview.

Impeccable CV.
These are the real slay queens but girls of our generation are trying to be the next Kardashian.

Wishing NOI all the best!

thesicilian:
His calling is to predict the outcomes of immoral television shows.

Lool he didn't see Covid-19 that grounded world economies but could see BBN winner?
Talk about misplaced priorities.